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Marinerz93
November 11, 2017, 1:41pm

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Future of Europe - European Parliament sets out it's vision.

Have a read and post your views.


http://www.europarl.europa.eu/resources/library/media/20171023RES86651/20171023RES86651.pdf

EU Army, no thanks.

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Good job we are leaving why do we want a EU Army ?

We have our own, UN and NATO another waste of money,

Lord Digby Jones talks a lot of sense,

I listen to all that talk Q+A  and urge the remainers to do the same.


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Shakes head.Do you really have to ask why they need a united army?

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Of course if you're happy to be the tools of the Americans, or see Europe under the Russian jackboot again, you will be saddened by a united, free Europe.


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Shakes head.Do you really have to ask why they need a united army?

Today of all days.


Are you really saying we need our own army , UN, NATO AND A  EU ARMY,?

Who the hell are we going to fight ?


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Shakes head.Do you really have to ask why they need a united army?

Today of all days.


NATO YES, EU Army governed by Brussels NO.

If we stayed in the EU the plan is that as it becomes federal we would concede control of our forces and they will take control and do what they like, as they have already stated they need an EU Army as a show of force to Russia, also they would be able to deploy our forces under Other EU generals.

I've seen this first hand in Afghanistan both in Kabul and Kandahar where other EU countries put in a higher officer rank to dictate operations take overall control. Also whilst serving the EU service personnel are paid an extra £70 a day, the British government refused this payment but other countries took it. Anyone who knows about military spending will know how much it spirals out of control especially if you have a government that wants to prove itself.


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Without checking aren’t a huge majority of NATO countries also members of the EU?
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Without checking aren’t a huge majority of NATO countries also members of the EU?


Let me google that for you  

The NATO countries are: Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, Norway, Canada, Iceland, United Kingdom for now, United States. (In bold EU countries in NATO)

In EU but not NATO; Austria, Republic of Cyprus, Finland, Malta, Sweden

Although Trump states that a lot of these countries are not contributing enough and haven't done so for years. So if Trump is saying they aren't paying their way are they not taking security seriously or are they doing it deliberately so NATO breaks up giving the justification of an EU Federal Army.


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NATO YES, EU Army governed by Brussels NO.

If we stayed in the EU the plan is that as it becomes federal we would concede control of our forces and they will take control and do what they like, as they have already stated they need an EU Army as a show of force to Russia, also they would be able to deploy our forces under Other EU generals.

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So you're saying this extra £70 a day is wrong, or not justified?

You think we have real freedom of action under NATO? Ultimately, yes, a federal Europe would mean loss of sovereignty. The reality is we have no real say and are the Americans poodle. I'd rather be part of something where we have a say, that is closer to home. But as it is we're going to be out of the EU so I don't know why people are worried about the EU getting on with it.


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PS, the fact there are EU countries not part of NATO shows that there is justification for an EU army. For example, what's caused more tension with Russia, the Baltic states join NATO or Finland remaining out of NATO?

I suspect that the countries not spending enough on defence are doing so not to deliberately undermine NATO which I assume they freely joined, than simple economic choice about where they spend their money. Might not be the right choice but ....

PPS on the one hand you're complaining about NATO members not spending enough and in the other breath complain about them spending too much (the extra £70 a day pay). Sounds like you're just a Europhobe who likes to complain.


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