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Marinerz93 |
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The Future of Europe PDF is interesting, not particularly for the defence stuff, but for many of the other issues. First of all, the idea of a European Monetary Fund to help countries during economic crisis is a good (and obvious one). Perhaps they've realised that the punishment of Greece was a really, really bad idea - shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, admittedly, but it seems they are going the right way.
A bit of an understatement about how the EU treated Greece, Greece was the sacrificial lamb to protect bonds in Portugal, Ireland, Spain and I think Italy. It was done to stop a bank run that would collapse all the major banks in Europe, especially Germany. [youtube]rGvZil0qWPg[/youtube] I would recommend you watch the whole clip but the important part about what happened to Greece is at 12:30 onwards.
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I know what happened with Greece. I've discussed this in the past in other threads - you can't have a currency union without a fiscal union and the ECB treatment of Greece was disgraceful, all to protect the German and French banks. Before the EU referendum, I actually noted that this would be the only thing which would make me think leaving the EU was worthwhile decision.
Ultimately, I took the selfish view that the catastrophic damage to our economy of leaving wasn't a worthwhile exchange to be away from the EU, despite the ECB treatment of Greece. There is some separation between the EU and the Eurozone as well so they aren't exactly the same thing. As I noted earlier, it seems they've realised they ballsed up the situation with Greece (well, some of them have, in any case) so we shouldn't see such an event occurring again - not that it will help a whole generation of Greeks who have been massively impoverished by the whole debacle. Still much better to be inside the tent pissing out.
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MidnightMariner |
November 16, 2017, 3:47pm |
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KM YOU CAN BE A RIGHT PRI CK
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grimsby pete |
November 16, 2017, 7:33pm |
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KM YOU CAN BE A RIGHT PRI CK
Why because he does not agree with your view ? He does not agree with my view but he respects it like I respect he can have a different view to me.
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ginnywings |
November 17, 2017, 9:24pm |
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I don't know what is going to happen, but i can tell you what is happening to me, right now. The raw materials for my business are going up almost monthly since we voted for Brexit. Timber sheet materials have probably risen by a good 40% in the last year alone. Another small example is G clamps. I buy a lot of these and for ages they were £1.95 per unit. Bought some about 6 weeks ago-£2.35 per unit. Bought some more last week-£2.50 per unit. That's over 25% rise in less than 2 months and that is just one of the small items i have to buy on a regular basis. I now have 2 choices- suck it up and accept less of a profit margin, or pass on the extra to my customer, who will in turn have to pass it on to her customers or also suck it up. When i complain at the almost monthly increases at my suppliers, all i hear is it's the Brexit effect. Sick of it to be honest.
Still, all the Poles are going home, so that makes everything alright.
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grimsby pete |
November 17, 2017, 9:35pm |
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Ginny if the EU was just for trade we would be in it forever, They unelected ones just keep adding to their war chest all the time, We do not have control over much now but soon we will not have control of our own army, Things will be difficult for a year or two then things will be a lot better, Trust me I am not a conservative or a non chairman.
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ginnywings |
November 17, 2017, 9:59pm |
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Ginny if the EU was just for trade we would be in it forever, They unelected ones just keep adding to their war chest all the time,We do not have control over much now but soon we will not have control of our own army, Things will be difficult for a year or two then things will be a lot better, Trust me I am not a conservative or a non chairman.
Just like this country then. Sorry Pete, but leaving Europe was a stupid idea when it was voted for and it is still a stupid idea.
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Marinerz93 |
November 17, 2017, 10:12pm |
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I don't know what is going to happen, but i can tell you what is happening to me, right now. The raw materials for my business are going up almost monthly since we voted for Brexit. Timber sheet materials have probably risen by a good 40% in the last year alone. Another small example is G clamps. I buy a lot of these and for ages they were £1.95 per unit. Bought some about 6 weeks ago-£2.35 per unit. Bought some more last week-£2.50 per unit. That's over 25% rise in less than 2 months and that is just one of the small items i have to buy on a regular basis. I now have 2 choices- suck it up and accept less of a profit margin, or pass on the extra to my customer, who will in turn have to pass it on to her customers or also suck it up. When i complain at the almost monthly increases at my suppliers, all i hear is it's the Brexit effect. Sick of it to be honest.
Still, all the Poles are going home, so that makes everything alright.
I appreciate and respect your views, however when the EU started fishing quotas and allowing other countries fishing our waters I and hundreds like me lost our jobs on the fish docks as quotas where cut time and time again, last in first out. I know several fish merchants who went bust and I know of two who killed themselves, one being a lad dads I used to talk to whilst waiting to pick up the bought kits for my gaffer. I think his name was Pope. When I worked on the fish docks in the 80's we still had trawlers, now we have one small inshore fishing boat I think. [youtube]JPKO3O4y4Mo[/youtube] Also EU money has been used to move companies / factories to other countries meaning UK job losses. Also with the uncontrolled influx of tradesman, I know many different trades have been undercut and lost work or lost earnings due to lack of work. On the flip side if we get a trade deal with other countries some of the materials you mentioned may end up being a lot cheaper, I know not helpful now. If more foreigners do go back then that will surely mean that you aren't being undercut and become a lot busier.
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Marinerz93 |
November 17, 2017, 10:13pm |
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I know what happened with Greece. I've discussed this in the past in other threads - you can't have a currency union without a fiscal union and the ECB treatment of Greece was disgraceful, all to protect the German and French banks. Before the EU referendum, I actually noted that this would be the only thing which would make me think leaving the EU was worthwhile decision.
Ultimately, I took the selfish view that the catastrophic damage to our economy of leaving wasn't a worthwhile exchange to be away from the EU, despite the ECB treatment of Greece. There is some separation between the EU and the Eurozone as well so they aren't exactly the same thing. As I noted earlier, it seems they've realised they ballsed up the situation with Greece (well, some of them have, in any case) so we shouldn't see such an event occurring again - not that it will help a whole generation of Greeks who have been massively impoverished by the whole debacle. Still much better to be inside the tent pissing out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMQ887VNrIc&index=22&list=WL
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grimsby pete |
November 17, 2017, 10:17pm |
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Just like this country then.
Sorry Pete, but leaving Europe was a stupid idea when it was voted for and it is still a stupid idea.
Its not like this country at all Ginny if we do not like the government we can vote them out/
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