The Politics Thread .

Quoted from Grim74

Ah the language of a quisling.... spoken like a true anti-British, anti democratic bitter remoaner.... have you no dignity?
How dare you insult millions of your fellow countrymen for daring to be brave to go against the propaganda and vote for an independent sovereign nation, free from the shackles of a failing dictating federal state.

Uncle Vladimir told me that too!

Quoted from Grim74

Ah the language of a quisling.... spoken like a true anti-British, anti democratic bitter remoaner.... have you no dignity?
How dare you insult millions of your fellow countrymen for daring to be brave to go against the propaganda and vote for an independent sovereign nation, free from the shackles of a failing dictating federal state.

I was raging when I first read your your outrages, spiteful, and nasty comments but I decided to hold back, luckily my iPad survived and now after reading them again Im not even angry, the word disgrace gets banded about all to flippantly these days but in you case you are a true definition.

As for the young being drunk off they must be in meltdown now that Corbyn has been exposed as charlatan  😂😂😂

Oh, I somehow missed this latest diatribe. Still comical, mind. You're becoming ever-more the parody of a foaming right-wing lunatic.

If (and hopefully, when) the Labour Party get into power, I certainly hope that they do deal with the legacy of student debt which the Tories (of various stripes) have heaped on young workers over the past decade, but let's not try to pretend that there was ever a promise of debt cancellation. As I've stated earlier, my view is that creating money via QE to cancel this legacy debt would certainly give a bigger boost to the economy than we saw from the QE which mostly benefited the wealthy and the banks, but it remains to be seen whether this is the route which would be taken.

Anyhow, enough fake news for now. Off on my hols so unlikely to be posting much over the next week.

Quoted from Maringer

Oh, I somehow missed this latest diatribe. Still comical, mind. You're becoming ever-more the parody of a foaming right-wing lunatic.

If (and hopefully, when) the Labour Party get into power, I certainly hope that they do deal with the legacy of student debt which the Tories (of various stripes) have heaped on young workers over the past decade, but let's not try to pretend that there was ever a promise of debt cancellation. As I've stated earlier, my view is that creating money via QE to cancel this legacy debt would certainly give a bigger boost to the economy than we saw from the QE which mostly benefited the wealthy and the banks, but it remains to be seen whether this is the route which would be taken.

Anyhow, enough fake news for now. Off on my hols so unlikely to be posting much over the next week.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/.....-making-the-promise/

No promise he should of told his fellow MPs!  don't try and spin out of this one you know dam well what Corbyn implied, and the stupid snowfslaqkes swallowed it. There will be plenty now put off from voting for a very long time Corbyn has proved he's no different to the rest of the pigs he will say owt to get into power.

Had to laugh when Angela Rayner admitted Labour’s plan to scrap student debt would cost £100billion  and they don’t know where the money would come from 😂😂😂 and you want these in power😂😂😂

Quoted from Grim74

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/.....-making-the-promise/

No promise he should of told his fellow MPs!  don't try and spin out of this one you know dam well what Corbyn implied, and the stupid snowfslaqkes swallowed it. There will be plenty now put off from voting for a very long time Corbyn has proved he's no different to the rest of the pigs he will say owt to get into power.

Had to laugh when Angela Rayner admitted Labour’s plan to scrap student debt would cost £100billion  and they don’t know where the money would come from 😂😂😂 and you want these in power😂😂😂

Yep you are probably right Grim. Have a word with your mates in No.10 and get them to hold another General Election. Oh wait....

Serious question, we are about or MP's are going to  vote on changing EU law into British ones,

What do you suggest we do if the bills do not go through,

Revise them ?

Keep them under the EU ?

Have another election ?

Or what ?

Quoted from grimsby pete

Serious question, we are about or MP's are going to  vote on changing EU law into British ones,

What do you suggest we do if the bills do not go through,

Revise them ?

Keep them under the EU ?

Have another election ?

Or what ?

Thankfully the we still have MP's who honour and respect democracy, but these quisling cowardly traitors who have once again betrayed the British public make me sick, I hope the people of Grimsby now see through the treacherous melanie Onn thinks who thinks only about her career and not the views and wishes of the constituents she pretends to represent.

I take heart heart from Corbyn and his band of misfits being defeated once again the champion of lost causes 😄

Quoted from Grim74

Thankfully the we still have MP's who honour and respect democracy, but these quisling cowardly traitors who have once again betrayed the British public make me sick, I hope the people of Grimsby now see through the treacherous melanie Onn thinks who thinks only about her career and not the views and wishes of the constituents she pretends to represent.

I take heart heart from Corbyn and his band of misfits being defeated once again the champion of lost causes 😄

As usual we will have to agree to disagree about the representation provided by Ms Onn. I suspect she is concerned with the very real threat that last nights vote edged us closer to the point where the "Government" can amend legislation about working hours, minimum wage etc.etc. without proper scrutiny by parliament. You will no doubt disagree but I suspect that an awful lot of constituents in Ms Onn's seat will be very worried by that possibility. If you are going to reply please don't use words like traitor, cowardly and treacherous because the last time I looked valid putting forward of alternative views was part of the democratic process you claim to love so much. I'd also remind you that Labour Party policy is to support Brexit. Nobody in their right mind would let the U.K. drift into the sort of Brexit being "negotiated"  by the distant relatives of Joey Grimaldi aka Boris, David Davis and co.

After the illegal  vote in Catalan to leave Spain ,

1.   Do you  agree that it was right for them to have the vote. ?

2.   .Do you think Scotland will try and do the same once brexit is finished,?

Whether the government gives them the right to have another vote or not.

Quoted from grimsby pete

After the illegal  vote in Catalan to leave Spain ,

1.   Do you  agree that it was right for them to have the vote. ?

2.   .Do you think Scotland will try and do the same once brexit is finished,?

Whether the government gives them the right to have another vote or not.

How do you know it's illegal? Is there a statute in Spain making votes illegal? If so, where does it end? If there is such a law it'd have to specify which votes are legal - e.g. football clubs (and their members (like Barca AND Real Madrid), company boards, other sorts of clubs, informal gatherings (where shall we go tonight?). Seems a cumbersome instrument.

The UK government will agree to a Scottish referendum again at some point if there is sufficient demand. I think we have a more grown up attitude than the government in Madrid.

Having said that, personally I think Catalan nationalism is a bad idea. Like any other nationalism. I don't see there being the oppression of Catalans that there was under Franco. Where does it leave the sizeable minorities in Catalonia who come from other regions of Spain? What will their rights be under any new country? Will they end up like the 'Russian' (actually many different nationalities from the old SU) minority people in Estonia, denied a passport because they can't speak the majority language to a high enough standard? That could easily lead to further conflict. Think that's an exaggeration? look what happened the last time a European country began to break up under 30 years ago. Look at the state of the Caucasus since the Soviet Union began to falter - there's still at least two wars that haven't formally ended.

Why then stop at the Catalans in Spain? What about the ones in France? Will they join? Ditto the Basques on both sides of the border. Then there's all the other groups in other European countries. Imagine the creation of all those duplicate governments. All the disruption and expense - much like Brexit! We've all got better things to do.

The Guardia Civil are representatives of another kind of nationalism, and in their zealotry have probably done the cause of Catalan nationalism the power of good. Nationalisms always breed other nationalisms. The whole point is to define yourselves differently from other people. It's more insidious than patriotism (which I'd define as love for your homeland, culture and society - but it isn't exclusive). And nationalism caused World War I and World War II, and could easily cause World War III.

Fragmentation of western countries like this also weakens us all relative to the east. That is a strategic concern. Putin, the Chinese guy and Kim are probably all rather pleased about this. We need to find ways of sticking together that respect people's traditions and identity without recourse to civil guard's the baton.

I did not say it was illegal ( well I did ) but was just reporting what the Spanish government told me.  

The next to declare independence will be Suffolk, Power to the people