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Were the last two campaigns not boring enough?
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People that are on benefits tend not to vote Tory , thats even if they vote at all so I doubt that'll have an effect on the Tory vote. The only thing that could knacker May up would be a Brexit Sabotaged by the rest of the disgruntled House of Commons. May is popular , the amount of people Ive heard that are not Tory but seem to think she's the best of a bad bunch at the minute. I trust her more than any of the other idiots that are on offer from all the parties
The point about the benefit system is that a lot of JAMS have their subsistence wages topped up by tax credits. They tend to vote.
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I fear the worst, so our only hope the young get off their arses to vote this year because they've been royally shafted by the Tories/LibDem governments since 2010 and it would be nice if they realised this and stuck it to them for a change. Too much to hope for, unfortunately.
So you want them to vote for a man who's own party have even tried to get rid of?
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So you want them to vote for a man who's own party have even tried to get rid of?
Exactly, a leader that can not control his own party and a Liberal who plans to grind Government process to a halt over Brexit and in Scotland we have a "Nationalist". Not impressed with some recent Tory policy but absolutely no opposition that will get my vote and so an easy choice for me.
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Exactly, a leader that can not control his own party and a Liberal who plans to grind Government process to a halt over Brexit and in Scotland we have a "Nationalist". Not impressed with some recent Tory policy but absolutely no opposition that will get my vote and so an easy choice for me.
Look Corbyrn isn't going to win as long as I've got an hole in my bottom, if that's how you feel then you may as well save your time and not vote all. Agree with you that there isn't much choice and although I'm voting for May it's a reluctant vote in the hope she actually deliver the Brexit I voted for.
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Look Corbyrn isn't going to win as long as I've got an hole in my bottom, if that's how you feel then you may as well save your time and not vote all.
Agree with you that there isn't much choice and although I'm voting for May it's a reluctant vote in the hope she actually deliver the Brexit I voted for.
Just read the bottom of your mail on labour and fish that made me smile about labour. I will vote Conservative for sure, essential to vote. In truth, unlike you I will not be reluctant. I am for Brexit and years of working in London has hardened my views as the key English remain vote is so disconnected from the rest of England it is hard to believe that we are in the same country. In fact if Khan has his way they would disconnect from the rest of England in terms of taxes and spending
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Just read the bottom of your mail on labour and fish that made me smile about labour. I will vote Conservative for sure, essential to vote. In truth, unlike you I will not be reluctant. I am for Brexit and years of working in London has hardened my views as the key English remain vote is so disconnected from the rest of England it is hard to believe that we are in the same country. In fact if Khan has his way they would disconnect from the rest of England in terms of taxes and spending
Know what you mean, i was in an office in London on the morning of the Brexit result and they were all going nuts..."its those northerners, they havnt got a clue about anything, the end of the world is now," only just stopped short of flinging themselves out of the windows.
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May, let's not forget, installed Johnson as foreign secretary for no other reason than self-interest and the crooked and incompetent Liam Fox in a similarly important role as regards Brexit, also a show of naked self-interest.
If she's the best option, we really are screwed. Unimpressive as Corbyn and Farron are, their respective parties at least have more sensible policies instead of actively forcing millions into poverty, wilfully destroying the NHS and reducing school funding to name just a few.
I always think it's a bit of a tragedy that we've got such an antiquated and unfair electoral system. Policy-wise there isn't a huge distance between the major left-leaning parties - Labour, Lib Dems and the Greens - but the first past the post means the vote is fractured so too many votes just don't count for anything and this generally plays into the hands of the Tories.
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Undoubtedly the Tories will win what could essentially turn into a second EU referendum in everything but name and balls to issues like education, NHS, policing, housing and all other on going, day to day concerns. But still, more grammar schools will save us all eh?
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So you want them to vote for a man who's own party have even tried to get rid of?
The alternative is a vote for a party whose leader is only leader because there was really no-one else left to do the job (Farron) or a party whose leader didn't even have to face a final round in their election because her opponent was so incompetent she had to withdraw. On the other hand, Corbyn leads the largest political party in Europe, albeit not very well at times. Latest news from Channel 4 is the CPS claims that the new general election wouldn't stop them bringing charges following the investigations into electoral expenditure fraud, but I'm not so sure. https://www.channel4.com/news/.....ry-mps-over-expenses
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