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Going from conference north as winners to the conference were solihull are in the bottom half shows the gap is quite big, then going to the football league to a team around the playoffs is a big big jump imo.

Im not trying to put a downer on it but solihull to grimsby is just to much of a jump for my liking ,paul hurst did ilkeston then boston then us, he had boston in a good position , i just dont know why we he is on the shortlist as he has done nothing to warrant to be on our radar.

From managing infront of a few hundred to nearly 5000 on a saturday is a jump to far right now and him moving on to a club say like tranmere in conference football to get a taste of fulltime football then onto league football if he does well would be the right move but not right now.

Just looking at the conference league table and solihulls position puzzles me even more as to why we are even considering him.


You have completely ignored what he has to work with; something that is often overlooked. League position doesn't tell the whole story. You said in your own post that he is managing in front of a few hundred. What sort of budget do you think he has to work with?

Football is a simple game and some managers know how to organise and motivate a team better than others. The only thing that changes as you go up the leagues is the quality and fitness of players. I'm not touting him for the job, but the "lack of experience " argument is a red herring in my opinion.
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Quoted from jonnyboy82
Going from conference north as winners to the conference were solihull are in the bottom half shows the gap is quite big, then going to the football league to a team around the playoffs is a big big jump imo.

Im not trying to put a downer on it but solihull to grimsby is just to much of a jump for my liking ,paul hurst did ilkeston then boston then us, he had boston in a good position , i just dont know why we he is on the shortlist as he has done nothing to warrant to be on our radar.



On the other hand you could argue that he's had an automatic promotion from the National League North with a tiny club, even for that level, that had money troubles on top of it. Hurst had only got Boston promoted from the league below the NL North via the play offs and Boston were a giant of a club at that level, regularly taking more fans away than most teams had at home. Hurst would have had one of, if not the, biggest budgets in the league below and only went up via the play offs whereas Bignot would have had one of the smallest budgets, without even having a contract and won the league at a canter scoring the most goals in the league in the process. His record since taking over has been 19th, 9th, 8th, 12th and 1st. Suggests he maybe struggled a bit at the start but had a steep learning curve.

I do agree that it is a big jump and being 15th in the NL isn't particularly impressive but they're a side with a very small budget and they're semi-professional coming up against a lot of professional outfits. They've had a couple of bad losses but they've also drawn with Lincoln who are second and only lost by a goal to moneybags FGR who are comfortably top of the table. That suggests to me that he's a capable coach and a decent tactician.

Given the circumstances he's managed them under and the minuscule budget he has no doubt worked with, he's an interesting proposition and definitely worth interviewing in my opinion. It would be a gamble but he's no mug when it comes to league football, he played over 400 games in the FL so I would imagine he has some idea about how to set up a team in L2.
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You have completely ignored what he has to work with; something that is often overlooked. League position doesn't tell the whole story. You said in your own post that he is managing in front of a few hundred. What sort of budget do you think he has to work with?

Football is a simple game and some managers know how to organise and motivate a team better than others. The only thing that changes as you go up the leagues is the quality and fitness of players. I'm not touting him for the job, but the "lack of experience " argument is a red herring in my opinion.


I don't see 'lack of experience' as the problem. It may be 'lack of experience managing better players' that's the problem. I haven't checked out Solihull's squad but if they haven't changed much from last season then that's two levels lower than we sit at present and I think we've all been quite surprised by the difference in one level let alone two.
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I don't see 'lack of experience' as the problem. It may be 'lack of experience managing better players' that's the problem. I haven't checked out Solihull's squad but if they haven't changed much from last season then that's two levels lower than we sit at present and I think we've all been quite surprised by the difference in one level let alone two.


Surely it's more difficult to work with more limited players?
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I don't see 'lack of experience' as the problem. It may be 'lack of experience managing better players' that's the problem. I haven't checked out Solihull's squad but if they haven't changed much from last season then that's two levels lower than we sit at present and I think we've all been quite surprised by the difference in one level let alone two.
Eddie Howe went straight in as Bournemouth manager in League Two, he didn't do too bad did he?


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Eddie Howe went straight in as Bournemouth manager in League Two, he didn't do too bad did he?


Neil Woods at Grimsby Town?
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Quoted from MuddyWaters
Neil Woods at Grimsby Town?
Russell Slade? Martin O'Neill? He also worked his way through non-league up the divisions.

No matter who is chosen as manager, there's a risk factor, no matter how much wealth of experience or not.  It's all a risk.


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Do you have a plan B?
I guess they didn't have that question when it came to interviewing Paul Hurst?  


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25:30 seconds in, Solihull reporter for the Birmingham Mail talks about what Bignot does behind the scenes at Solihull Moors as Manager and Director of Football, how they play, abit of background stuff.

Link >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04bkly3


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Who would ask the questions and who would know if they were the right answers. Maybe we could ask Paul Hurst to sit in on the interviews  
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