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LH
September 5, 2016, 7:58pm

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Anybody else watch it? It's no wonder nothing positive ever happens to progress this town when the de Freitases of the world are in charge.

A lot of normal NIMBY concerns raised like parking and traffic and the old disturbing the peace and tranquility of the crem and cemetery too. I suppose given the average age of those present was about twelve million it is a relevent concern.

ADF very us and them regarding Town - I thought they were supposed to be impartial until the planning application was submitted?
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Yes saw it.  Virtually everyone against the new ground which is to be expected.  
Thing is GTFC need more facilities and income streams to progress and I like the idea of a Community stadium but investors and developers want a greenfield site hence PP.  I like the idea of regenerating Freeman Street but realise those people are not interested in risking money on that type of area.
No one wants it on their back yard so I dont know what the answer is.
Other towns have managed to enable their clubs to relocate, so why is it so difficult here?
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Completely forgot about the "we're setting booby traps" comment by a councillor. If they do another of these we should get there earlier and take the place over.
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I was quite worried that a couple of locals said they would "booby trap" the plans, to ensure the development wouldn't go ahead.

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1gqxvddZeOjGB
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How the intercourse would they booby trap plans
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Genuine question, if the club and the council do everything by the book what actual power do these resident's have to block it ?


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Quoted from Davec
How the intercourse would they booby trap plans


A huge Great Crested Newt drop.


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It was an interesting meeting spoiled by the Prat filming it.  Lots of opposition  and understandable too. Long battle ahead.
nimby and proud
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September 5, 2016, 9:38pm

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Why do people around here never look to the future? A community stadium that could host gigs, improve Grimsby rugby, provide a community area for sports, create jobs, and could give us a great stadium we have been crying for? All whilst making money for the club.

Think about the future, not the present!


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September 5, 2016, 9:40pm
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Quoted from realist
It was an interesting meeting spoiled by the Prat filming it.  Lots of opposition  and understandable too. Long battle ahead.
nimby and proud


Give it up mate, you're not even good at being a WUM.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
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September 5, 2016, 9:52pm
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You have got me completely wrong there. Although a town fan I live near the proposed site. This development would impact considerably on the quality of life of my family, the value of my house etc. Therefore I am completely against the current project as it is rumoured to be (in the absence of any hard facts yet)
Does that make me a wum or a Defrietas clone because I have a different view to others. I can take all flack from those of you too blind to see past Fentys propaganda.
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Quoted from realist
You have lost me there. What is a WUM?l


I have definitely got it wrong but like to think the first word sounds like anchor
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Get it built , barely 100 people out of 120 000 complaining seems like it's what the town wants  
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Quoted from jaygy


I have definitely got it wrong but like to think the first word sounds like anchor


Due you think this type of reply will help in the debate.
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September 5, 2016, 10:09pm
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To be fair you and the other ones moaning all seem to be in the 55 years + group who have held this town back for far too long and luckily have succeeded due to weak local leadership with no backbone. All your arguments against it are so weak it's laughable .
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You must be one of the young ones that blamed us for brexit.  I am interested to know how my generation have held this town back?
The decline has accelerated since the turn of the  younger generation to take over the reigns. Too spoilt by 55+ parents to do a decent job
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September 5, 2016, 10:18pm
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Sometimes in life a few after take the hit for the masses , unfortunately life isn't perfect and this town is crying out loud for a infrastructure project like this. A work colleague of mine hates football but still can see the boost economically and socially a new stadium would bring, this really as to happen
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September 5, 2016, 10:21pm
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It's the same moaning bunch kicking off to whatever has been tried to progress the Town ,it was the same when the Auditoreum was built . You only need to look in every direction from here as to how towns have changed in the last 30 years , Lincoln has not stopped developing ...Christ even Scunny are on their second whilst the only thing we have between the two towns that make up Lincolnshires true capital it's ....a new Premier Inn.
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Surely it would be the masses taking a hit for the few.  Please share with me the social and economic  benfits this will bring. If gtfc went out of business it would have hardly any affect on the area.
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I am not moaning, just presenting the "other side of the coin"
You might feel the same oneday about something.
What you have to accept is that this town is an insignificant backwater. We don't even have a WH Smiths for Christ's sake. It is small in population with diminishing employment and lots of poverty.  The last thing we need is one of last greenfield sites ruining with a vanity project.
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September 5, 2016, 10:39pm

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Quoted from realist
I am not moaning, just presenting the "other side of the coin"
You might feel the same oneday about something.
What you have to accept is that this town is an insignificant backwater. We don't even have a WH Smiths for Christ's sake. It is small in population with diminishing employment and lots of poverty. The last thing we need is one of last greenfield sites ruining with a vanity project.


Thanks for making a case for the new stadium.



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Quoted from realist
I am not moaning, just presenting the "other side of the coin"
You might feel the same oneday about something.
What you have to accept is that this town is an insignificant backwater. We don't even have a WH Smiths for Christ's sake. It is small in population with diminishing employment and lots of poverty.  The last thing we need is one of last greenfield sites ruining with a vanity project.


It actually sounds like its going to ruin your view.
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Yes it will.
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Quoted from realist
It was an interesting meeting spoiled by the Prat filming it.  Lots of opposition  and understandable too. Long battle ahead.
nimby and proud


Hi Andrew!
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I think if anything came across loud & clear, its that the residents see John Fenty as Grimsby Town Football Club, and use his name interchangeably with that of GTFC.

A lot of residents referred to "his" ground, "his" plans, and even him being "an already very wealthy man being given even more money by the council" and depriving the residents of the borough of funds. He does not appear to be a particularly popular man in these circles - if you thought he was disliked in the stands, his name was absolute mud at that meeting tonight. Sorry, but that's the truth and it's there for all to see.

We know that John Fenty is not the club, but does Joe Bloggs?

If we want to make any progress with this, Fenty needs to step away from being the public face of this project. Does Ian Fleming have any input in this, as the club's Chief Executive? How about appointing someone to lead on the communications side of this project, fronting it publicly and firefighting diplomatically in a way that Fenty has never been able to do? In 10 years time, this could prove to be a trivial expense, or we could carry on as we are doing, charging head on into a project fronted by a man who struggles to find friends at a club where he's invested millions over the past few years.
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Very fair for residents too be concerned but some of the allegations are absolutely disgraceful. Claims of 'booby traps' and other nonsense, I don't care if it was meant too be taken as a joke - I don't want the future and sustainability of my football club joked about by someone in 'power'.


Sleep well Icey, Matty and Richard. Keep each other company up there xx

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It's what it is because of the mindset of the loud 100 or so Nimbys that have held this town back. We are the only town of our size that has not been developed in the last 20+ years. If done like say Rotherhams New York Stadium it would be a centrepiece for the town with facilities the whole family could enjoy on match day. The Parkway will be developed in the next ten years for definite so your better with a stadium in use 23+ times a year than more housing than the original plan .
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Good point Ska face i agree with you on that. I think the opposition would be just as strong though.

Bradzmilne, man up you wimp. Can't joke about the future of the club but its ok for everyone to take potshots at us nimbys,

Grim up north, we have been developed. We have the horrible paving and ridiculous Bethlehem st. One way system. Labour councils traditionally rip the heart and soul out of this town.
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Quoted from realist
Good point Ska face i agree with you on that. I think the opposition would be just as strong though.

Bradzmilne, man up you wimp. Can't joke about the future of the club but its ok for everyone to take potshots at us nimbys,

Grim up north, we have been developed. We have the horrible paving and ridiculous Bethlehem st. One way system. Labour councils traditionally rip the heart and soul out of this town.


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ADF is a poisonous little toad, I'll never forget the debacle of Town supporting councillors having to abstain over the Great Coates vote and yet iirc Pete did not abstain despite enjoying many visits to watch Town.

To the present, the town still suffers from his and others regressive thinking. Look over the river at how Hull are pushing their city and contrast it to our efforts. When you've got local politicians wondering what happens when renewable energy runs out, you know you're in trouble. Stuff needs to be made to happen, not prevented, don't let those small minded, small town people win.


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Residents near any new development will always put up a fight to stop it happening.  It's normal and the council planning committee are use to such objections.

When it gets to the granting of planning permission the council have a huge amount of documentation to back up the application which will take some challenging.

If all they have is the crematorium and hospice arguments then a quick view of Stamford Bridge, next to Londonds largest cemetery,  & Watford,  literally opposit a large hospital should counter any arguments.

Traffic is the only issue of concern, but if Peakes Parkway was a duel carriageway like it should have been, it wouldn't have been an issue. Traffic in this town is always going to be an issue due to very bad planning, not because of a football match.
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The town's full of single minded people who are resistent to any change and it's not just the stadium. Most of these excuses are just that - excuses. It's bloody infuriating and is one of the reasons why people like myself are leaving/want to leave. No offence to anyone but the place is a shithole with very little happening and very few opportunities. It could desperately do with something like this.  
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sad but true but these NIMBYS are everything that is wrong with a town that i love but a place that is going nowhere and never will do with these clowns in charge. Jesus even the mudrats are more forward thinking
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I managed a few minutes of the recording of the meeting and what struck me was the 'detailed' objection  to things that are in the attendees minds!

The entrance to the ground via Weelsby Road, the road running through the allotments etc.

There are NO plans to object too as yet!!!!

Yes, the local residents have the right to question the plans, influence access pathways etc but the overall lay out will be down to the planners ONCE the scheme gets the go ahead to be drawn up.

Protesting over hearsay fuelled by DeF makes them look a little silly to me
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Traffic is the only issue of concern, but if Peakes Parkway was a duel carriageway like it should have been, it wouldn't have been an issue. Traffic in this town is always going to be an issue due to very bad planning, not because of a football match.

This is very true, but unfortunately our roads are designed by Beverly, so we never get what we require.
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As realist said, THERE ARE NO HARD FACTS.... If that's the case why are they holding a meeting to discuss speculation?? Why not wait for the facts to arise and not moan about rumours??

Second point I picked up on, the value of your house would surely rise Realist, people these days want the best facilities local to them at their convenience.

Why can nobody in this town see the bigger picture. This town is dieing on its rear end, no investment no jobs no facilities, Jesus Christ, until the ACTUAL plans become public be open to them..
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Ground share with Scunny. (That's tongue in cheek before I get red crosses).


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It's c*nts like realist that are holding this town back. And yes I do blame the older, selfish generation for Brexit. Wake up and smell the coffee you stupid twit, this down is on its knees and it needs something like the new stadium to rejuvenate it.


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Tell  me how a football stadium for a few thousand fans will give such massive commercial and growth potential to the town?l
Secondly, house prices have dropped in the affected area since the announcement.
What we need is an independant survey into the best location. The SLR report only used data provided by gtfc and when you read it it is clear it was written with the intention of favouring pp. It will be interesting to see what the scrutiny panel make of it.
Finally, to have the nerve to speak out againt the proposal, I  am apparently:
A w anchor
A c* nt
Stupid twit
Single minded
Nimby
Selfish
Cant we have this debate in a reasonable manner and respect each others views?l
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Quoted from realist

Secondly, house prices have dropped in the affected area since the announcement.


Evidence please.

The last person to make that claim was shown up as an utter fraud, so hoping you can actually substantiate your claim.
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My property in Park Ward has shown a slight increase in value over the last couple of years. Not that I wish to sell now as I think its value will boom in the next 10 years.

Happy Days!
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The only real issue is traffic and access. These would be the same issues wherever the stadium is located. It needs to be dealt with properly during the planning stage to provide minimum disruption, Problem in Grimsby is that if half a dozen cars are in a queue here it is called "gridlock".
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Quoted from realist
Tell  me how a football stadium for a few thousand fans will give such massive commercial and growth potential to the town?l
Secondly, house prices have dropped in the affected area since the announcement.
What we need is an independant survey into the best location. The SLR report only used data provided by gtfc and when you read it it is clear it was written with the intention of favouring pp. It will be interesting to see what the scrutiny panel make of it.
Finally, to have the nerve to speak out againt the proposal, I  am apparently:
A w anchor
A c* nt
Stupid twit
Single minded
Nimby
Selfish
Cant we have this debate in a reasonebeable manner and respect each others views?l


After watching that meeting last night ? No chance !
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After agree with the point about letting someone else front the project , fenty is targeted and clearly disliked
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Quoted from realist
Tell  me how a football stadium for a few thousand fans will give such massive commercial and growth potential to the town?l
Secondly, house prices have dropped in the affected area since the announcement.
What we need is an independant survey into the best location. The SLR report only used data provided by gtfc and when you read it it is clear it was written with the intention of favouring pp. It will be interesting to see what the scrutiny panel make of it.
Finally, to have the nerve to speak out againt the proposal, I  am apparently:
A w anchor
A c* nt
Stupid twit
Single minded
Nimby
Selfish
Cant we have this debate in a reasonable manner and respect each others views?l


It's not true to say that the SLR report only used data provided by GTFC.....


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Option a realist
Sell your house before it falls through the floor
Buy a house near bp
Sell house near bp when the stadium has moved and price goes through roof
What about those nice little flats in the imp
I have a nice family sized house


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Just about every building development ever has had people against it, usually those that live and work in that area and can only see the downsides. There were a hundred or so in the room having a bit of a moan. Doesn't mean it will make any difference and planning committee's will rightly take their view on board when reaching any conclusions. I remember the campaign to stop the flats being built at the old Winter Gardens site, with residents living behind it citing all the same reasons for not building as the PP lot are now. It's currently almost finished.

People have a right to object. It doesn't mean they should get their wish and if they did, nothing would ever get built anywhere.
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Quoted from realist
Tell  me how a football stadium for a few thousand fans will give such massive commercial and growth potential to the town?l
Secondly, house prices have dropped in the affected area since the announcement.
What we need is an independant survey into the best location. The SLR report only used data provided by gtfc and when you read it it is clear it was written with the intention of favouring pp. It will be interesting to see what the scrutiny panel make of it.
Finally, to have the nerve to speak out againt the proposal, I  am apparently:
A w anchor
A c* nt
Stupid twit
Single minded
Nimby
Selfish
Cant we have this debate in a reasonable manner and respect each others views?l


Don't be a c*nt then you single minded, selfish, nimby, stupid twit.


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My property in Park Ward has shown a slight increase in value over the last couple of years. Not that I wish to sell now as I think its value will boom in the next 10 years.

Happy Days!


Unless you are planning to move to a tent in the outer hebredies all property that you want to move to will have increased in price along with yours. Not so happy days!
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Quoted from realist
Tell  me how a football stadium for a few thousand fans will give such massive commercial and growth potential to the town?l
Secondly, house prices have dropped in the affected area since the announcement.
What we need is an independant survey into the best location. The SLR report only used data provided by gtfc and when you read it it is clear it was written with the intention of favouring pp. It will be interesting to see what the scrutiny panel make of it.
Finally, to have the nerve to speak out againt the proposal, I  am apparently:
A w anchor
A c* nt
Stupid twit
Single minded
Nimby
Selfish
Cant we have this debate in a reasonable manner and respect each others views?l


I live in said Ward and my house as increased in value so you have that wrong.It is not supposed to be just a football stadium and it will bring in quite a lot of much needed jobs. Any argument you have over the location of a football stadium should be taken up not with the Football Club but the local authority who after 20 odd years and counting of messing about have decided PP is the best available location.Further to your comment about a few thousand football fans what else in the Town or locally gets an average attendance of over 4k locals 23 times in 10 Months? The other key point here is if no-one other than the 4k are interested in GTFC how did they manage to take well over 25k to Wembley in a fortnight last Season?
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Unless you are planning to move to a tent in the outer hebredies all property that you want to move to will have increased in price along with yours. Not so happy days!


Not planning on moving at all.
Just means that when i pop my clogs there will be a little more for my daughter!
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I'm not really buying into this traffic congestion argument. Due to my work I travel all over the country, from big cities like London and Birmingham to smaller towns similar to here like Luton and Rotherham. Trust me Grimsby has little problem with congestion in comparison to other areas. We have many well routed main roads that service the traffic well, a good number of exit routes out for a coastal town, and even in peak times, delays aren't too bad. I mostly travel to Hull city centre and the traffic at peak times along Clive Sullivan way and down Anlaby Road can be horrendous. I really don't see how a stadium used to potential maximum capacity once or twice a fortnight will severely increase the average traffic flow around the park ward area. A quick glance around the corner at the Scartho Road area that houses a busy hospital and a college/university that are used almost daily should relieve any concerns about traffic in my opinion. Also for the record I live just off Weelsby Road.


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You have got me completely wrong there. Although a town fan I live near the proposed site. This development would impact considerably on the quality of life of my family, the value of my house etc. Therefore I am completely against the current project as it is rumoured to be (in the absence of any hard facts yet)
Does that make me a wum or a Defrietas clone because I have a different view to others. I can take all flack from those of you too blind to see past Fentys propaganda.
Nimby and proud


According to a few websites I have looked at your house price has risen since the project was announced, this with research nationally that tends to suggest house prices near a new football ground tend to increase after the development contradicts your thoughts.
What facts do you base your theory that the price will drop ?

The site below shows all the post codes around PP have had a rise in the last 6 months (the link below is Weelsby Ave)

https://www.streetcheck.co.uk/houseprices/dn320ah
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Could I ask Realist, when Great Coates was the prefered site, & the residents there complained, what was your stance then?

Did you then ignore their complaints, call them NIMBYs  etc?
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Yes i called them Nimbys. What I realise now that most of you dont is that its no problem until It appears on your own doorstep. I was guily of not listening to the concerns of those affected.
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I don't see how noise from the stadium has to be an issue; modern concave stadium roofs can be designed to reflect crowd noise without noise escaping, this is something the club and the architects should be looking into.


Performance / Top Scorers / Assists / Discipline - Grimsby Town Statistics >> https://www.espn.co.uk/football/team/squad/_/id/386/eng.grimsby
Form Over Last 10 Games - Grimsby Town >> https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/grimsby-town/form-guide/ten
Player Contracts - Grimsby Town >> http://codalmighty.com/site/ca.php?article=4202
Links on football clubs inc Grimsby Town >> https://footballclubforums.com/
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I don't live in Grimsby (and never have) so I can't comment on the specifics of PP vs other sites.  However, the initial reviews suggest that PP is the best option, and our Town and Club need a new stadium and this investment.

I used to live near Ashton Gate in Bristol, a ground with a higher capacity than that proposed at PP with what can only be described as poor road and rail infrastructure around it. Other than a hour or two prior to kick off, the stadium was not an issue at all.  Given that there were about 25 games a season, this wasn't an imposition at all and just required a bit of forethought once in a blue moon.  Funnily enough, the worst incident of disruption during the 5 years I lived there was a Bon Jovi concert.

Let's get this thing built!  Whilst being respectful and constructive in relation to residents' concerns.    
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You have got me completely wrong there. Although a town fan I live near the proposed site. This development would impact considerably on the quality of life of my family, the value of my house etc. Therefore I am completely against the current project as it is rumoured to be (in the absence of any hard facts yet)
Does that make me a wum or a Defrietas clone because I have a different view to others. I can take all flack from those of you too blind to see past Fentys propaganda.
Nimby and proud


I am not unsympathetic towards your position. But sadly as in most development planning, there are always people that are not in agreement with it because of the perceived effect it will have on their life.

But when all is said and done, this will now come down to a planning matter. The club, developers and anyone involved in the project will now make the planning application, and will also submit a plan that takes into account any local needs, from roads and access through to services etc. It will come down to a simple matter of planning.

There really isn't anything critical that is going to adversely affect local residents that cannot be taken into account during the planning application. Of course some local residents would sooner it not happen, and don't want the additional build up etc. that goes hand in hand with a development like this. But these things happen. What's more there is a big benefit to the development taking place there, not only to people in the wider Grimsby community, but also to those that live in the immediate area.

There are huge parallels between this and what I also saw take place in the successful  Boston United planning application for their new development. This is on the A16 Spalding Road, which is almost like a carbon copy of the Peaks Parkway. A stretch of road on the outskirts of town with greenfield sites, but adjacent to residential areas that overlook it. The Boston United development was hotly debated in council, none moreso than by the residents of Frampton and Wyberton that overlooked the development site on both sides of the A16. But when it came down to it, the development planning application was passed on simple planning matters. There was need for the development and the housing. A need for the retail inclusion etc. The applicant satisfied all of the needs for roads and services etc and the application was successful.

As we speak, the club has actually commenced the development in Boston, starting with the all important roads and services work which is now well under way and almost completed. There was very little that the residents could do during the planning application other than make their objections. But the objections contained very little basis on which to deny an important planning application.

In summary, there is no doubt that the Peaks Parkway will get objection during the planning application. But the applicant will undoubtedly build the plan around and of the the objections that have valid planning points and I am sure the application will be successful.
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Don't be a c*nt then you single minded, selfish, nimby, stupid twit WAnchor

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I don't see how noise from the stadium has to be an issue; modern concave stadium roofs can be designed to reflect crowd noise without noise escaping, this is something the club and the architects should be looking into.


I haven't been yet but I understand on good authority that Chesterfield's new grounds planning permission was awarded on the basis of the design of the new stadium inhibiting noise. The nearest houses are I believe less than 200 metres away.
A conservative estimate puts the nearest current houses 800 metres from the perimeter of the P.P. development.


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I haven't been yet but I understand on good authority that Chesterfield's new grounds planning permission was awarded on the basis of the design of the new stadium inhibiting noise. The nearest houses are I believe less than 200 metres away.
A conservative estimate puts the nearest current houses 800 metres from the perimeter of the P.P. development.


Does that mean we can have the drum at night games ??  


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I jokingly remarked  'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football'
'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied
That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked

She said 'Well you already know how to play football'  
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What you have to accept is that this town is an insignificant backwatert.


WUM or not, this is sums up perfectly what is wrong with the area and the mentality of people who complain about anything positive that may happen in the area.

"Can't do nothing, don't try." Should really be the town's motto


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WUM or not, this is sums up perfectly what is wrong with the area and the mentality of people who complain about anything positive that may happen in the area.

"Can't do nothing, don't try." Should really be the town's motto


Sadly I don't think it is a WUM I genuinely think this person is ADF due to the fact he never answers any question posed.
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Hasn't anyone realised yet that the Parkway was chosen not because it is the best for any reason whatsoever if you look at it logically, it is actually the worst option in many ways?  But the council cannot be @rsed to go through the planning hassle of any other site or to find somebody with the money to build it.

So knowing that desperate supporters will accept anything bright shiny and new with toilets that don't smell and a decent microwave for the pies, they offer up the ludicrously unsuitable Parkway site as a sop. And, lo and behold, off we go again in the Desperation Stakes with the first prize being a great lump of concrete somewhere that makes no sense. But we MUST HAVE IT they say. Otherwise we look as though we don't care, can't be bothered and will sink back into the C19th backwaters. Our kids will all have rickets from lack of exercise and we shall have to re-sign Tommy Briggs to lead the line.

According to today's GT we are in fact destined soon to see massive offshore investment off Lincolnshire and based from Grimsby. There is a vague possibility here that the economy of the town might be on the up in a few years. Then people really will start to wonder why on earth did we move from a football ground surrounded by houses that clogs up the main road into a football ground surrounded by houses clogging up a main road when we could have got investment to have an even better stadium in our perfect location.

I don't live anywhere near the Parkway thank goodness so I'm definitely no nimby on this. Nor am I a Luddite and anti-progress. Simply this - the all round logic surrounding the Parkway project has always seemed to me absolutely crackers.

There is no new stadium built anywhere in the last few years that has been designed and constructed slap bang in the middle of a residential area with no dedicated traffic arrangement. Find at least one please somebody .... otherwise, the first time away supporters come to visit and crawl their way to and from the Parkway, Grimsby becomes a laughing stock again.


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According to a few websites I have looked at your house price has risen since the project was announced, this with research nationally that tends to suggest house prices near a new football ground tend to increase after the development contradicts your thoughts.
What facts do you base your theory that the price will drop ?

The site below shows all the post codes around PP have had a rise in the last 6 months (the link below is Weelsby Ave)

https://www.streetcheck.co.uk/houseprices/dn320ah


Haven't house prices risen across the board in the UK irrespective of whether they are near a football ground or not?
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Haven't house prices risen across the board in the UK irrespective of whether they are near a football ground or not?


yes they probably have and I would think that's why these houses have gone up in price, my point is though that to say the development has reduced their house prices is incorrect as they seem to as stable as any other area of town.
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Hasn't anyone realised yet that the Parkway was chosen not because it is the best for any reason whatsoever if you look at it logically, it is actually the worst option in many ways?  But the council cannot be @rsed to go through the planning hassle of any other site or to find somebody with the money to build it.

So knowing that desperate supporters will accept anything bright shiny and new with toilets that don't smell and a decent microwave for the pies, they offer up the ludicrously unsuitable Parkway site as a sop. And, lo and behold, off we go again in the Desperation Stakes with the first prize being a great lump of concrete somewhere that makes no sense. But we MUST HAVE IT they say. Otherwise we look as though we don't care, can't be bothered and will sink back into the C19th backwaters. Our kids will all have rickets from lack of exercise and we shall have to re-sign Tommy Briggs to lead the line.

According to today's GT we are in fact destined soon to see massive offshore investment off Lincolnshire and based from Grimsby. There is a vague possibility here that the economy of the town might be on the up in a few years. Then people really will start to wonder why on earth did we move from a football ground surrounded by houses that clogs up the main road into a football ground surrounded by houses clogging up a main road when we could have got investment to have an even better stadium in our perfect location.

I don't live anywhere near the Parkway thank goodness so I'm definitely no nimby on this. Nor am I a Luddite and anti-progress. Simply this - the all round logic surrounding the Parkway project has always seemed to me absolutely crackers.

There is no new stadium built anywhere in the last few years that has been designed and constructed slap bang in the middle of a residential area with no dedicated traffic arrangement. Find at least one please somebody .... otherwise, the first time away supporters come to visit and crawl their way to and from the Parkway, Grimsby becomes a laughing stock again.


I actually think it is the BEST site.

I dont understand the view that the Docks or Freemo  would be better? In what way? Traffic issues would be certainly no better than we have at present and were is the parking space?

Garth Lane? I would much rather the Old Grannary/Tap and Spile were preserved, not knocked down in favour of a sparkly new stadium.

Much better for the new homes/stadia and facilities to be built along the parkway giving the Town a new focal point whilst we try and preserve our heritage at the Docks.


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I actually think it is the BEST site.

I dont understand the view that the Docks or Freemo  would be better? In what way? Traffic issues would be certainly no better than we have at present and were is the parking space?

Garth Lane? I would much rather the Old Grannary/Tap and Spile were preserved, not knocked down in favour of a sparkly new stadium.

Much better for the new homes/stadia and facilities to be built along the parkway giving the Town a new focal point whilst we try and preserve our heritage at the Docks.




I'm not coming out in favour of any site today thanks but I definitely come out against the Parkway because it is a waste of everyone's time and money. New focal point? How is this a focal point any more than Morrisons is at Laceby Acres, Tesco at Waltham, the Ice House in Victor Street, Victoria Mills ..... ?

The only focal point will be a bloody great big housing estate to the south of the town, that's what will clog the traffic. Then, on top of that, you add the stadium traffic, the "community use" traffic, the Uncle Tom Cobley and all traffic.  We might as well call Nunsthorpe a focal point and build the ground next to the hospital.

The truth is that supporters are desperate and vocal and this is a fob off. The council know nothing will or can happen for ages yet and they may get let off the hook when the planning comes unstuck. It's a political fudge. But .... you never know, it just might happen that some fairy goddeveloper from house builders heaven might come along and turn the council pumpkin into a nice Halloween lantern but he'll run off before the candles go out.


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I'm not coming out in favour of any site today thanks but I definitely come out against the Parkway because it is a waste of everyone's time and money. New focal point? How is this a focal point any more than Morrisons is at Laceby Acres, Tesco at Waltham, the Ice House in Victor Street, Victoria Mills ..... ?

The only focal point will be a bloody great big housing estate to the south of the town, that's what will clog the traffic. Then, on top of that, you add the stadium traffic, the "community use" traffic, the Uncle Tom Cobley and all traffic.  We might as well call Nunsthorpe a focal point and build the ground next to the hospital.

The truth is that supporters are desperate and vocal and this is a fob off. The council know nothing will or can happen for ages yet and they may get let off the hook when the planning comes unstuck. It's a political fudge. But .... you never know, it just might happen that some fairy goddeveloper from house builders heaven might come along and turn the council pumpkin into a nice Halloween lantern but he'll run off before the candles go out.


It is your opinion, mind is different.
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I've read the thread from top to bottom and see many peoples points . Surely instead of abusive remarks from both sides a plan to move forward as one would be the solution . That's in reference to people at the top aswell not just on The Fishy . I'm nor for or against Peaks Parkway as I don't live in the area anymore but plain and simple want a new ground ASAP (After 20 years of false dawns) , but understand the concerns of residents on certain issues and don't think they should be labelled 'nimbys'  purely on the fact they have objections . Not sure why this meeting happened though as the ground isn't even a goer yet , like it hasn't been for the last 20 years so surely just a waste of people's time and energy arguing  something that may or may not happen . If and when Peaks Parkway does get the go ahead , then will be the time for all parties to get together , sit down and draw up a plan how problems can be negated and discuss how the project can be the huge positive for the town it ought to be  . Just another point there's still many clubs along with town who have been fighting for new stadiums , and for a similiar length of time - Luton , Bristol Rovers ,Southend Utd to name a few . We are not the only ones , but I do believe for our club to reach its full potential we need that new stadium , and the momentum it would bring . UTM Fox  
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yes they probably have and I would think that's why these houses have gone up in price, my point is though that to say the development has reduced their house prices is incorrect as they seem to as stable as any other area of town.


I don't think there is any probably about it, as for prices being affected by "the development" yet, I would have to say what development, I still think this is all pie in the sky until I see the diggers start digging out for the footings.
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I remember watching a tv series on planning a year or so ago - it sounds dull but it was actually really interesting.

In that the actual planning department listened to everything positive and negative but to have any real impact they had to have a genuine 'planning' issue, for example 'it will spoil my view' or 'it will affect my house price' didn't have any real impact to their decision. Anything like traffic/environmental impact was passed to a specialist to compile a report. A lot of the housing cases came down to 'we don't like it but we need more houses'

However, any particularly emotive decisions - which this undoubtably is, went to a select group of councillors to decide, in the programme their decisions were a little more arbitrary and where clearly much more politically focused, unpopular developments where rejected popular ones where passed often with little regard for the planners advice. However, these decisions were often challenged and approved at appeal, I may be wrong but I also seem to think the council was fined or at least incurred costs if it was decided that it had declined a valid application for political reasons.  

I can see why people are upset about the development, if it was opposite me I'm not sure how I'd feel, probably not too chuffed as I live in a village near Doncaster although the commute to home games would be a little easier. In Doncaster theirs much more development than in Grimsby, my village has probably doubled in size in 10 years and there's huge housing and commercial developments in Doncaster itself, the council seem to be able to approve things much quicker than n e Lincs council and are much more concerned with bringing in jobs, in the past few years they have built new sites for ikea, Amazon, BT, BMW as well as totally redeveloping the Frenchgate centre and the council offices themselves. I can't really think of any successful development projects in gy for years? Meridian park? Europarc is probably the only one.


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Lincoln have started building a new £30m bus station/transport hub.

We move bus shelters.

Says it a  ll really
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I'm moving to the Park Ward in the hope that I will be within walking distance to the new ground. This ground and development will be so beneficial to the local community. UTM


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Where is Park Ward exactly? Can't seem to find a clear map of local wards.
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Where is Park Ward exactly? Can't seem to find a clear map of local wards.


Best way to describe it is within, scartho road, weelsby road and peaks parkway.


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Best way to describe it is within, scartho road, weelsby road and peaks parkway.


Cheers. Does it include Scartho Top housing development?
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Stretches to Littlefield Lane. Scartho Top is under Scartho.
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I would love the stadium to be built on scartho top. At least that way we might finally have some shops on here after 15 years 😂
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There are some incredibly insensitive people on this forum who seem hell-bent on over simplifying everything.  If you have a £350k house the last think you want is something being built that will drive the value down.
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There are some incredibly insensitive people on this forum who seem hell-bent on over simplifying everything.  If you have a £350k house the last think you want is something being built that will drive the value down.


I personally would prefer to live near a state of the art stadium complex with a smart new housing estate with shops, than next to a Crematorium and an eyesore of part derelict allotments. Lets get it built,the whole area will benefit.

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Stretches to Littlefield Lane. Scartho Top is under Scartho.


Cheers LH.
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Cheers. Does it include Scartho Top housing development?


No thank god, that's where I live


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Quoted from 139914
There are some incredibly insensitive people on this forum who seem hell-bent on over simplifying everything.  If you have a £350k house the last think you want is something being built that will drive the value down.


Not trying to pick a fight but are there ANY £350K houses in the vicinity of the proposed stadium?


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I was taking the pith mate.
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It was an interesting meeting spoiled by the Prat filming it.  Lots of opposition  and understandable too. Long battle ahead.
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Shine a light on the truth and watch the cockroaches scurry away. Both councillors could find themselves in hot water for their inflammatory remarks and rightly so. We have a right to know what is being said and it's a relief it was being filmed some of the stuff discussed was at times slanderous and down right lies.

You have to question a person who is not happy for a consultation meeting open to the public to be filmed.


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If ADF stated he would 'booby-trap' plans then I'm pretty sure that's some sort of offence, and if not very unacceptable behaviour for someone of his position to be attacking local businesses.

GTFC have done nothing wrong at this moment in time?

At the very least we as a club should be starting the wheels in motion for him to be removed from his position - the next business he takes a disliking to could be the one you or I work for. Why should people be put out of work because he's corrupt?
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Quoted from 139914
There are some incredibly insensitive people on this forum who seem hell-bent on over simplifying everything.  If you have a £350k house the last think you want is something being built that will drive the value down.


Did not the crematorium do that.



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Personally i found the video quite amusing, reminded me of  Blott on the Landscape for those that are old enough...

Very nice of them too to film the whole thing and publish their views, plans and concerns ahead of any plans actually being submitted......if you know what your enemy are going to do....
i quite liked the opening gambit of we are appealing to the committee to reconsider the report as we have researched and found only 2 or 3 professional clubs have training facilities as part of their stadium so the development could be smaller meaning other sites might work !!

Also as others have pointed out....was there anybody younger than 50 or 60 in that room ?  Hardly the future of the town or even that ward being represented.







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I would love the stadium to be built on scartho top. At least that way we might finally have some shops on here after 15 years 😂


You have a load of shops on Second Avenue....


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Shine a light on the truth and watch the cockroaches scurry away. Both councillors could find themselves in hot water for their inflammatory remarks and rightly so. We have a right to know what is being said and it's a relief it was being filmed some of the stuff discussed was at times slanderous and down right lies.

You have to question a person who is not happy for a consultation meeting open to the public to be filmed.


Pretty sure that the above wont have gone unnoticed by JF and if he is half as vigorous as he is when someone on here airs a view i am sure he will follow it up.


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Building a housing development on the land next to Peaks Parkway makes a lot more sense than local plan proposals to build housing on Greenfield land south of the henavily congested toll bar roundabout. At least with a development on peaks parkway people can access the town centre by foot or cycling.

The general planning consensus is that spreading urban areas out is killing town centres, creating traffic congestion and meaning people spend more time commuting.

This development is needed not only for the stadium but to provide housing so we don't have to continue extending the town's boundaries.
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Surely defritarses comments are inciting acts of terrorism, he should be arrested and removed from his position.


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Surely defritarses comments are inciting acts of terrorism, he should be arrested and removed from his position.


I think that may be pushing it a little.....

However, councilors have to abide by a code of conduct which states that;

"Members shall at all times conduct themselves in a manner which will tend to maintain and strengthen the public's trust and confidence in the integrity of the Council and never undertake any action which would bring the Council, or its Members or officers generally, into disrepute."

I'm pretty certain that threatening to 'booby trap' an application doesn't strengthen the public's trust in the council. At the very least there are a few questions to be answered.

There looks to be a very robust complaint process, full details are on the link below.

https://www.nelincs.gov.uk/councillors-and-democracy/councillor-conduct/


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As one of the councillors for Park Ward de Frietas objection is totally justified and understandable, he is making the case for his NIMBY residents (who lets face it vote for him) but can someone please refresh my memory about what his objections were to the Great Coates site (still the best option in my opinion for rail and road links)

I don't understand de Frietas attitude towards the Great Coates idea, what, other than him being a councillor, did it have to do with him. It did not affect his ward directly and would he object to the stadium in which ever ward was suggested.

As for the 'booby trapping' comment I think it has been taken out of context. I reckon they mean putting anything and everything in the way to derail, disrupt or delay the stadium in any way they can. Somehow I don't see some blue rinse elderly NIMBY in a flannelette nightie creeping into the building site at one in the morning with a couple of pounds of plastic explosive down her girdle. Sadly, as it would solve a lot of problems, I don't see de Freitas as a suicide bomber driving a truck full of homemade explosives into the site either.


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As one of the councillors for Park Ward de Frietas objection is totally justified and understandable, he is making the case for his NIMBY residents (who lets face it vote for him) but can someone please refresh my memory about what his objections were to the Great Coates site (still the best option in my opinion for rail and road links)

I don't understand de Frietas attitude towards the Great Coates idea, what, other than him being a councillor, did it have to do with him. It did not affect his ward directly and would he object to the stadium in which ever ward was suggested.

As for the 'booby trapping' comment I think it has been taken out of context. I reckon they mean putting anything and everything in the way to derail, disrupt or delay the stadium in any way they can. Somehow I don't see some blue rinse elderly NIMBY in a flannelette nightie creeping into the building site at one in the morning with a couple of pounds of plastic explosive down her girdle. Sadly, as it would solve a lot of problems, I don't see de Freitas as a suicide bomber driving a truck full of homemade explosives into the site either.


You should have seen him when I had him trapped in my front garden Swin he squirmed like an eel.He point blank refused to answer any questions and would not listen to an opposing view his type are everything that are wrong with local politics.All this ground stuff aside lets not forget he was one of those who let over £3m of taxpayers money disappear into Icelandic banks without the publics knowledge THIS MAN IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED.
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Is fenty anymore trustworthy? Remember his comment on Humberside that the stadium was a done deal? I think there are far more corrupt and untrustworthy councillors than ADF. Like him or loathe him at least he is working passionately for those he represents.
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Is fenty anymore trustworthy? Remember his comment on Humberside that the stadium was a done deal? I think there are far more corrupt and untrustworthy councillors than ADF. Like him or loathe him at least he is working passionately for those he represents.


£200M coming into the local economy I hope it is a done deal
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Been looking at the effects of new stadiums on ticket prices. Looks likely that tickets will have to cost at least £25 to £30  plus at least £5 for car parking. Remember Fenty wont devalue the product and the new stadium will command a premium price for the modeen  facilities
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Been looking at the effects of new stadiums on ticket prices. Looks likely that tickets will have to cost at least £25 to £30  plus at least £5 for car parking. Remember Fenty wont devalue the product and the new stadium will command a premium price for the modeen  facilities


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Give it a rest realist. I'd happily pay £25 to watch Town in a new stadium.
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Been looking at the effects of new stadiums on ticket prices. Looks likely that tickets will have to cost at least £25 to £30  plus at least £5 for car parking. Remember Fenty wont devalue the product and the new stadium will command a premium price for the modeen  facilities


Can you also predict the first attendance or better still this weeks football results.
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Been looking at the effects of new stadiums on ticket prices. Looks likely that tickets will have to cost at least £25 to £30  plus at least £5 for car parking. Remember Fenty wont devalue the product and the new stadium will command a premium price for the modeen  facilities


I suggest you look at average crowds 3 seasons before and then after the new stadium. If you take Chesterfield,Donny,Rotherham as recent localish sides who have moved grounds of a similar size to GTFC.I would hope with the Mariners Trust input ticket prices could be kept sensible and I am also thinking quite often the ticket prices are subsidised first 1-2 seasons by developers and such like but if worst case scenario I have to pay more it will be worth every penny.UTM
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Been looking at the effects of new stadiums on ticket prices. Looks likely that tickets will have to cost at least £25 to £30  plus at least £5 for car parking. Remember Fenty wont devalue the product and the new stadium will command a premium price for the modeen  facilities


Looking forward to it.  


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Can I suggest that we just blank the blatant WUM on this thread.
Hopefully they will be all w@nked out with the attention they have been getting and may have to have a little lie down.  Like any attention seeking child, they soon get bored when they don't get the attention they crave. Feel free to crack one out over this post realist. It's the last response you get from me !!


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IIRC ADF has said that this stint as a councillor will be his last.

Checking he said this last year and according to the NEL website his term of office ends in 2019.

His last act could be cutting the ribbon on the brand new stadium


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Is fenty anymore trustworthy? Remember his comment on Humberside that the stadium was a done deal? I think there are far more corrupt and untrustworthy councillors than ADF. Like him or loathe him at least he is working passionately for those he represents.


Sadly, I didnt record his comments to me 18 months or so ago when he told me categorically that hordes of football fans would be running rampage through Peoples Park when he was asking for signatures to object to PP. That was his opening gambit to get my signature.

That isnt working passionately for his parishioners, he is scaremongering to get people to support HIS views. IMHO he should be listening and representing, not feeding people his views

As for his side kick and his booby trap comments, just shows the devious councillors we have
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Been looking at the effects of new stadiums on ticket prices. Looks likely that tickets will have to cost at least £25 to £30  plus at least £5 for car parking. Remember Fenty wont devalue the product and the new stadium will command a premium price for the modeen  facilities


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Think so many will be walking to the ground it will reduce traffic on match days!
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Think so many will be walking to the ground it will reduce traffic on match days!


Bloody long walk from Skegness.


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Bloody long walk from Skegness.


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Give it a rest realist. I'd happily pay £25 to watch Town in a new stadium.



That's £25 for a seat in one of the two stands it will only be a fiver to stand on the muddy fields behind the goals


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That's £25 for a seat in one of the two stands it will only be a fiver to stand on the muddy fields behind the goals


Plenty good enough for you 😉


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As one of the councillors for Park Ward de Frietas objection is totally justified and understandable, he is making the case for his NIMBY residents (who lets face it vote for him) but can someone please refresh my memory about what his objections were to the Great Coates site (still the best option in my opinion for rail and road links)

I don't understand de Frietas attitude towards the Great Coates idea, what, other than him being a councillor, did it have to do with him. It did not affect his ward directly and would he object to the stadium in which ever ward was suggested.

As for the 'booby trapping' comment I think it has been taken out of context. I reckon they mean putting anything and everything in the way to derail, disrupt or delay the stadium in any way they can. Somehow I don't see some blue rinse elderly NIMBY in a flannelette nightie creeping into the building site at one in the morning with a couple of pounds of plastic explosive down her girdle. Sadly, as it would solve a lot of problems, I don't see de Freitas as a suicide bomber driving a truck full of homemade explosives into the site either.


I watched the video it wasn't taken out of context at all.


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I watched the video it wasn't taken out of context at all.


Oh please, don't be silly. They are tree hugging, sandal wearing Liberals FFS they wouldn't know how to booby trap (in that sense of the words) anything


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Am i correct in thinking that when it comes to the final council vote, any councillor with a vested interest i.e. a season ticket holder can not vote, but someone who has an allotment can?












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FAO Realist, in the absence of any plans for the proposed new stadium at Peaks Parkway would you be so kind as to lay out your objections to the stadium at this site?
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FAO Realist, in the absence of any plans for the proposed new stadium at Peaks Parkway would you be so kind as to lay out your objections to the stadium at this site?


It's been said before but this is the fundamental problem for the protestors. They are currently protesting (vigorously!!) against an idea fuelled by the stuff coming out from the Ministry of Disinformation that are the councillors for Park Ward. Interesting that the mayor (the other part of the triumvirate of nonsense) Mrs McGilligan-Fell is nowhere to be seen or heard on the subject. Is that because she realises her colleagues may well be jumping in the manner of Greg Rutherford to the wrong conclusions?


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Am i correct in thinking that when it comes to the final council vote, any councillor with a vested interest i.e. a season ticket holder can not vote, but someone who has an allotment can?


What if the season ticket holder has an allotment as well ?


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It's been said before but this is the fundamental problem for the protestors. They are currently protesting (vigorously!!) against an idea fuelled by the stuff coming out from the Ministry of Disinformation that are the councillors for Park Ward. Interesting that the mayor (the other part of the triumvirate of nonsense) Mrs McGilligan-Fell is nowhere to be seen or heard on the subject. Is that because she realises her colleagues may well be jumping in the manner of Greg Rutherford to the wrong conclusions?


Nope, it's tactical and political Ian.

DeFreitas is on the planning committee. But in leading the objections now he'll be precluded from being involved. Guess who the substitute is for the Lib Dems on planning?

McGilligan-Fell.

The second she gives an opinion on it she'll be precluded from taking part. So to ensure there's a Park/Lib Dem voice she'll probably be gagged (figuratively, not literally!) until the day of the meeting.
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It's been said before but this is the fundamental problem for the protestors. They are currently protesting (vigorously!!) against an idea fuelled by the stuff coming out from the Ministry of Disinformation that are the councillors for Park Ward. Interesting that the mayor (the other part of the triumvirate of nonsense) Mrs McGilligan-Fell is nowhere to be seen or heard on the subject. Is that because she realises her colleagues may well be jumping in the manner of Greg Rutherford to the wrong conclusions?


Completely rubbish Barralad.
I dont think it is the right site for the scale of development suggested. A football site on its own maybe, but not the widespread demolition of green space to fund this vanity project. Open space is a valuable resource that should not be given up lightly.
Fenty on the radio this morning said that most of the sites were suitable for a stadium but not the enabling add on.
So not thinking its the right location, being against public money being spent on it and being opposed to the corrupt and secretive dealings of some councillors are not valid reasons?

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Completely rubbish Barralad.
I dont think it is the right site for the scale of development suggested. A football site on its own maybe, but not the widespread demolition of green space to fund this vanity project. Open space is a valuable resource that should not be given up lightly.
Fenty on the radio this morning said that most of the sites were suitable for a stadium but not the enabling add on.
So not thinking its the right location, being against public money being spent on it and being opposed to the corrupt and secretive dealings of some councillors are not valid reasons?



Oh dear! I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are either one of the two councillors or a blood relation. Would you please explain which part of my post is "Completely rubbish"? Unless you are privy to actualities that us mortals haven't had the advantage of seeing there are no plans. I spent a lot of my campaigning time last year reassuring residents on the Edge Avenue estate that they weren't getting a stadium in the field behind their houses. Now where do you suppose that piece of mis-information came from? It was supported by a map that had the Edge Avenue estate in its correct position but the stadium site was drawn completely out of scale. There may well be issues once the plans are drawn up. Perhaps the dynamic duo would be better waiting for those or maybe I'm being far too simplistic.
"Vanity project" seems to be a pet word for those who don't wish to see the stadium project succeed. I haven't seen the unemployment figures lately but I'd suggest that anything which will see the creation of a reasonably large number of jobs will be viewed as the wise use of said "public money".
Perhaps fortunately for you you haven't named the councillors you allege have involved themselves in "corrupt and secretive" dealings. The libel laws in this country have a nasty habit of being used in such cases. Meanwhile back in factsville it is a certainty that not every house in Park Ward received an invite to the meeting on Monday. I'll leave you to wonder why that might be. By their own admittance the Lib. Dem. councillors failed to control the meeting sufficiently well to enable those in favour of the development to be heard and we have the uninspiring sight and sound of Councillor Barfield bemoaning the fact that he thought his meeting was secret enough for him to be able to get away with talk of booby trapping the project. How dare a member of the public do the community a service by filming proceedings for the benefit of those who couldn't fit into a church hall (or even those who feared for their safety from a rabble that weren't prepared to countenance opposite arguments being presented)


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To get the blue rinse brigade on side, couldn't the new stadium or other build ons allow time for ballroom dancing, meetings to moan about the youth of today, and 'it's a stitch up', a weekly competition for them to see who can make the quickest Christmas sweater?

That way defritarse and his hapless sidekick will only need a phone box for the next meetings to discuss non events.

Interesting that someone who isn't from the area is doing his utmost to stop something that will improve the Towns image, bring jobs and will benefit the community as a whole.


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Oh dear! I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are either one of the two councillors or a blood relation. Would you please explain which part of my post is "Completely rubbish"? Unless you are privy to actualities that us mortals haven't had the advantage of seeing there are no plans. I spent a lot of my campaigning time last year reassuring residents on the Edge Avenue estate that they weren't getting a stadium in the field behind their houses. Now where do you suppose that piece of mis-information came from? It was supported by a map that had the Edge Avenue estate in its correct position but the stadium site was drawn completely out of scale. There may well be issues once the plans are drawn up. Perhaps the dynamic duo would be better waiting for those or maybe I'm being far too simplistic.
"Vanity project" seems to be a pet word for those who don't wish to see the stadium project succeed. I haven't seen the unemployment figures lately but I'd suggest that anything which will see the creation of a reasonably large number of jobs will be viewed as the wise use of said "public money".
Perhaps fortunately for you you haven't named the councillors you allege have involved themselves in "corrupt and secretive" dealings. The libel laws in this country have a nasty habit of being used in such cases. Meanwhile back in factsville it is a certainty that not every house in Park Ward received an invite to the meeting on Monday. I'll leave you to wonder why that might be. By their own admittance the Lib. Dem. councillors failed to control the meeting sufficiently well to enable those in favour of the development to be heard and we have the uninspiring sight and sound of Councillor Barfield bemoaning the fact that he thought his meeting was secret enough for him to be able to get away with talk of booby trapping the project. How dare a member of the public do the community a service by filming proceedings for the benefit of those who couldn't fit into a church hall (or even those who feared for their safety from a rabble that weren't prepared to countenance opposite arguments being presented)


A most excellent post young sir.
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Do one ginny


Don't think i will actually.

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Do one ginny


You have lost Defritarse, go boil your head muppet.





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Oh dear! I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are either one of the two councillors or a blood relation. Would you please explain which part of my post is "Completely rubbish"? Unless you are privy to actualities that us mortals haven't had the advantage of seeing there are no plans. I spent a lot of my campaigning time last year reassuring residents on the Edge Avenue estate that they weren't getting a stadium in the field behind their houses. Now where do you suppose that piece of mis-information came from? It was supported by a map that had the Edge Avenue estate in its correct position but the stadium site was drawn completely out of scale. There may well be issues once the plans are drawn up. Perhaps the dynamic duo would be better waiting for those or maybe I'm being far too simplistic.
"Vanity project" seems to be a pet word for those who don't wish to see the stadium project succeed. I haven't seen the unemployment figures lately but I'd suggest that anything which will see the creation of a reasonably large number of jobs will be viewed as the wise use of said "public money".
Perhaps fortunately for you you haven't named the councillors you allege have involved themselves in "corrupt and secretive" dealings. The libel laws in this country have a nasty habit of being used in such cases. Meanwhile back in factsville it is a certainty that not every house in Park Ward received an invite to the meeting on Monday. I'll leave you to wonder why that might be. By their own admittance the Lib. Dem. councillors failed to control the meeting sufficiently well to enable those in favour of the development to be heard and we have the uninspiring sight and sound of Councillor Barfield bemoaning the fact that he thought his meeting was secret enough for him to be able to get away with talk of booby trapping the project. How dare a member of the public do the community a service by filming proceedings for the benefit of those who couldn't fit into a church hall (or even those who feared for their safety from a rabble that weren't prepared to countenance opposite arguments being presented)


"There are no plans" is not really correct. Without any plans a suitability study could not have been conducted. Whilst these will be draft and possibly subje t to large changes as it develops it is reasonable to assume that the boundary of the develoment as marked on the plan in the study is fairly accurate. From this you can see the scale of whatever development might be submitted. So if it is good enough for the council to vote on it is certainly good enough for me to form an opinion.
Your next point about my alegations about councillors integrity. Why did Fenty say on radio Humberside some time ago that it was a done deal?
Why are these rumours of undehand deals continually circulating about letting the ground go ahead. I challenged a prominent councillor about this whose reaction was to stare at his feet looking very uneasy and did not answer?
Why did a one party cabinet with no representations from ward councillors take a few minutes to approve such a one sided document that has such a wide ranging effect?
Until these are answered I cannot support such a project.
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Oh dear! I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are either one of the two councillors or a blood relation. Would you please explain which part of my post is "Completely rubbish"? Unless you are privy to actualities that us mortals haven't had the advantage of seeing there are no plans. I spent a lot of my campaigning time last year reassuring residents on the Edge Avenue estate that they weren't getting a stadium in the field behind their houses. Now where do you suppose that piece of mis-information came from? It was supported by a map that had the Edge Avenue estate in its correct position but the stadium site was drawn completely out of scale. There may well be issues once the plans are drawn up. Perhaps the dynamic duo would be better waiting for those or maybe I'm being far too simplistic.
"Vanity project" seems to be a pet word for those who don't wish to see the stadium project succeed. I haven't seen the unemployment figures lately but I'd suggest that anything which will see the creation of a reasonably large number of jobs will be viewed as the wise use of said "public money".
Perhaps fortunately for you you haven't named the councillors you allege have involved themselves in "corrupt and secretive" dealings. The libel laws in this country have a nasty habit of being used in such cases. Meanwhile back in factsville it is a certainty that not every house in Park Ward received an invite to the meeting on Monday. I'll leave you to wonder why that might be. By their own admittance the Lib. Dem. councillors failed to control the meeting sufficiently well to enable those in favour of the development to be heard and we have the uninspiring sight and sound of Councillor Barfield bemoaning the fact that he thought his meeting was secret enough for him to be able to get away with talk of booby trapping the project. How dare a member of the public do the community a service by filming proceedings for the benefit of those who couldn't fit into a church hall (or even those who feared for their safety from a rabble that weren't prepared to countenance opposite arguments being presented)


A very fine post indeed.


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Perhaps fortunately for you you haven't named the councillors you allege have involved themselves in "corrupt and secretive" dealings.


Don't worry about corruption just yet - wait until the contracts to actually build the place are being bid for and handed out   (and I don't mean among the Council)



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Completely rubbish Barralad.
I dont think it is the right site for the scale of development suggested. A football site on its own maybe, but not the widespread demolition of green space to fund this vanity project. Open space is a valuable resource that should not be given up lightly.
Fenty on the radio this morning said that most of the sites were suitable for a stadium but not the enabling add on.
So not thinking its the right location, being against public money being spent on it and being opposed to the corrupt and secretive dealings of some councillors are not valid reasons?



Can I ask where in the interview does he say that. I have listen to the whole interview and cant find anywhere that he says this,
here is the interview just in case you need to listen to it again http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0472xzp
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Can I ask where in the interview does he say that. I have listen to the whole interview and cant find anywhere that he says this,
here is the interview just in case you need to listen to it again http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0472xzp


It must be on the same radio station as he is supposed to have said it's a done deal. I think it's called Radio Gaga.


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"All we hear is Radio Gaga", maybe it should be changed to "All Realist hears is Radio Gaga"
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Don't worry about corruption just yet - wait until the contracts to actually build the place are being bid for and handed out   (and I don't mean among the Council)


That will be interesting for sure
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"There are no plans" is not really correct. Without any plans a suitability study could not have been conducted. Whilst these will be draft and possibly subje t to large changes as it develops it is reasonable to assume that the boundary of the develoment as marked on the plan in the study is fairly accurate. From this you can see the scale of whatever development might be submitted. So if it is good enough for the council to vote on it is certainly good enough for me to form an opinion.
Your next point about my alegations about councillors integrity. Why did Fenty say on radio Humberside some time ago that it was a done deal?
Why are these rumours of undehand deals continually circulating about letting the ground go ahead. I challenged a prominent councillor about this whose reaction was to stare at his feet looking very uneasy and did not answer?
Why did a one party cabinet with no representations from ward councillors take a few minutes to approve such a one sided document that has such a wide ranging effect?
Until these are answered I cannot support such a project.

You can't?! Back up everyone! Ignore the facts, popular support and economic benefits Realist cannot support the project!
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We should all bear in mind no plans have been drawn up or submitted for scrutiny yet. So we can only deal with objections in principle. The serious analysis must wait until the planning process takes place. However, much has been said about the proximity to the Crematorium and how detrimental this will be. As one who has the misfortune to visit the crematorium more often these days as family and friends reach the end of the line, may I suggest some positive benefits and opportunities if the stadium is located there.
1 Access to the crematorium is very poor and congested and with forethought the new development can alleviate this.
2 Parking at the crematorium is inadequate despite a recent small extension. Again I see no reason why the stadium parking cannot be done in such a way as to be available for those attending funerals.
3. If good function rooms are incorporated into the plan, I feel sure they would be very well used as venues for wakes following funerals.
All of this would improve the crematorium for users, provide some weekday revenue for the stadium, and make life easier for the local residents. Make the crematorium a "one stop shop " as it were !!!
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I agree with all the other posters who say the urinals should be called after Defriatas ,

I think most fans would pay to pee on a picture of his face.


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I agree with all the other posters who say the urinals should be called after Defriatas ,

I think most fans would pay to pee on a picture of his face.
Instead of Trump - De Freitas lol!  



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We should all bear in mind no plans have been drawn up or submitted for scrutiny yet. So we can only deal with objections in principle. The serious analysis must wait until the planning process takes place. However, much has been said about the proximity to the Crematorium and how detrimental this will be. As one who has the misfortune to visit the crematorium more often these days as family and friends reach the end of the line, may I suggest some positive benefits and opportunities if the stadium is located there.
1 Access to the crematorium is very poor and congested and with forethought the new development can alleviate this.
2 Parking at the crematorium is inadequate despite a recent small extension. Again I see no reason why the stadium parking cannot be done in such a way as to be available for those attending funerals.
3. If good function rooms are incorporated into the plan, I feel sure they would be very well used as venues for wakes following funerals.
All of this would improve the crematorium for users, provide some weekday revenue for the stadium, and make life easier for the local residents. Make the crematorium a "one stop shop " as it were !!!


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Over the last few months I have not got too involved in the ground posts as I never thought JF and "The Boys" would pull it and my dad is a "Nimby with a pitch fork" (line of the week Ginny by far!!!) so I have kept my views to myself.

Also not living in the Town anymore I am not sure I have too much right to comment but as a GTFC fan and season ticket holder from the outside looking in a new stadium within the boundary of the town in a reasonably heavily populated area is a good thing and if the facilities are right and accessible to all then it should be embraced. The last thing we need is to have a ground that sits on a bye pass or industrial estate that only gets visited on match days, what benefit would that be to anyone? Maybe I'm old fashioned but clubs now need to act as hubs within their own communities.

There are lots of examples around the UK where a Sports ground is located near a sensitive location, maybe the club could get some examples/case studies of how people with diverse interests can operate together and actually thrive.As regards the folks who have an allotment well I understand their emotion (my wife had 2 plots in Stevenage for years until ill health meant she had to give them up) as they put a lot of work into their plots for years to get them right so possibly we need to be really clear on where we would re-locate them to and what the club/Extreme Leisure would do to support this?      

My personnel opinion that JF has been mixed over the years and counts for nothing in the scheme of things but I cannot deny and no one else should that of he lands this with a club of our size, no Allam Family, Swan Family etc.. in the background after the 10 years or so we have had this would be something that would go down in the clubs history.

So my final 3 points are.........

1. As GTFC fans we should all be behind this really as it's not the only way this club can progress but its possibly the most constructive.

2. Nothing worth attaining will be easy to get through, we need to fight the "Nay Sayers" head on.

3  And most importantly we just need to make sure that Extreme Leisure have as much to lose as us if this project goes belly up they will always be able to make money to cover losses but the best part of 140 years of football heritage is irreplaceable!      


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