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Am i correct in thinking that when it comes to the final council vote, any councillor with a vested interest i.e. a season ticket holder can not vote, but someone who has an allotment can?
What if the season ticket holder has an allotment as well ?
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bax |
September 7, 2016, 5:17pm |
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It's been said before but this is the fundamental problem for the protestors. They are currently protesting (vigorously!!) against an idea fuelled by the stuff coming out from the Ministry of Disinformation that are the councillors for Park Ward. Interesting that the mayor (the other part of the triumvirate of nonsense) Mrs McGilligan-Fell is nowhere to be seen or heard on the subject. Is that because she realises her colleagues may well be jumping in the manner of Greg Rutherford to the wrong conclusions?
Nope, it's tactical and political Ian. DeFreitas is on the planning committee. But in leading the objections now he'll be precluded from being involved. Guess who the substitute is for the Lib Dems on planning? McGilligan-Fell. The second she gives an opinion on it she'll be precluded from taking part. So to ensure there's a Park/Lib Dem voice she'll probably be gagged (figuratively, not literally!) until the day of the meeting.
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September 7, 2016, 5:22pm |
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It's been said before but this is the fundamental problem for the protestors. They are currently protesting (vigorously!!) against an idea fuelled by the stuff coming out from the Ministry of Disinformation that are the councillors for Park Ward. Interesting that the mayor (the other part of the triumvirate of nonsense) Mrs McGilligan-Fell is nowhere to be seen or heard on the subject. Is that because she realises her colleagues may well be jumping in the manner of Greg Rutherford to the wrong conclusions?
Completely rubbish Barralad. I dont think it is the right site for the scale of development suggested. A football site on its own maybe, but not the widespread demolition of green space to fund this vanity project. Open space is a valuable resource that should not be given up lightly. Fenty on the radio this morning said that most of the sites were suitable for a stadium but not the enabling add on. So not thinking its the right location, being against public money being spent on it and being opposed to the corrupt and secretive dealings of some councillors are not valid reasons?
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barralad |
September 7, 2016, 7:33pm |
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Completely rubbish Barralad. I dont think it is the right site for the scale of development suggested. A football site on its own maybe, but not the widespread demolition of green space to fund this vanity project. Open space is a valuable resource that should not be given up lightly. Fenty on the radio this morning said that most of the sites were suitable for a stadium but not the enabling add on. So not thinking its the right location, being against public money being spent on it and being opposed to the corrupt and secretive dealings of some councillors are not valid reasons?
Oh dear! I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are either one of the two councillors or a blood relation. Would you please explain which part of my post is "Completely rubbish"? Unless you are privy to actualities that us mortals haven't had the advantage of seeing there are no plans. I spent a lot of my campaigning time last year reassuring residents on the Edge Avenue estate that they weren't getting a stadium in the field behind their houses. Now where do you suppose that piece of mis-information came from? It was supported by a map that had the Edge Avenue estate in its correct position but the stadium site was drawn completely out of scale. There may well be issues once the plans are drawn up. Perhaps the dynamic duo would be better waiting for those or maybe I'm being far too simplistic. "Vanity project" seems to be a pet word for those who don't wish to see the stadium project succeed. I haven't seen the unemployment figures lately but I'd suggest that anything which will see the creation of a reasonably large number of jobs will be viewed as the wise use of said "public money". Perhaps fortunately for you you haven't named the councillors you allege have involved themselves in "corrupt and secretive" dealings. The libel laws in this country have a nasty habit of being used in such cases. Meanwhile back in factsville it is a certainty that not every house in Park Ward received an invite to the meeting on Monday. I'll leave you to wonder why that might be. By their own admittance the Lib. Dem. councillors failed to control the meeting sufficiently well to enable those in favour of the development to be heard and we have the uninspiring sight and sound of Councillor Barfield bemoaning the fact that he thought his meeting was secret enough for him to be able to get away with talk of booby trapping the project. How dare a member of the public do the community a service by filming proceedings for the benefit of those who couldn't fit into a church hall (or even those who feared for their safety from a rabble that weren't prepared to countenance opposite arguments being presented)
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Marinerz93 |
September 7, 2016, 7:53pm |
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To get the blue rinse brigade on side, couldn't the new stadium or other build ons allow time for ballroom dancing, meetings to moan about the youth of today, and 'it's a stitch up', a weekly competition for them to see who can make the quickest Christmas sweater?
That way defritarse and his hapless sidekick will only need a phone box for the next meetings to discuss non events.
Interesting that someone who isn't from the area is doing his utmost to stop something that will improve the Towns image, bring jobs and will benefit the community as a whole.
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September 7, 2016, 7:57pm |
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Oh dear! I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are either one of the two councillors or a blood relation. Would you please explain which part of my post is "Completely rubbish"? Unless you are privy to actualities that us mortals haven't had the advantage of seeing there are no plans. I spent a lot of my campaigning time last year reassuring residents on the Edge Avenue estate that they weren't getting a stadium in the field behind their houses. Now where do you suppose that piece of mis-information came from? It was supported by a map that had the Edge Avenue estate in its correct position but the stadium site was drawn completely out of scale. There may well be issues once the plans are drawn up. Perhaps the dynamic duo would be better waiting for those or maybe I'm being far too simplistic. "Vanity project" seems to be a pet word for those who don't wish to see the stadium project succeed. I haven't seen the unemployment figures lately but I'd suggest that anything which will see the creation of a reasonably large number of jobs will be viewed as the wise use of said "public money". Perhaps fortunately for you you haven't named the councillors you allege have involved themselves in "corrupt and secretive" dealings. The libel laws in this country have a nasty habit of being used in such cases. Meanwhile back in factsville it is a certainty that not every house in Park Ward received an invite to the meeting on Monday. I'll leave you to wonder why that might be. By their own admittance the Lib. Dem. councillors failed to control the meeting sufficiently well to enable those in favour of the development to be heard and we have the uninspiring sight and sound of Councillor Barfield bemoaning the fact that he thought his meeting was secret enough for him to be able to get away with talk of booby trapping the project. How dare a member of the public do the community a service by filming proceedings for the benefit of those who couldn't fit into a church hall (or even those who feared for their safety from a rabble that weren't prepared to countenance opposite arguments being presented)
A most excellent post young sir.
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September 7, 2016, 8:26pm |
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September 7, 2016, 8:29pm |
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Do one ginny
Don't think i will actually. Opinions are for everyone, even you.
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September 7, 2016, 8:36pm |
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Do one ginny
You have lost Defritarse, go boil your head muppet.
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September 7, 2016, 8:42pm |
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Oh dear! I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are either one of the two councillors or a blood relation. Would you please explain which part of my post is "Completely rubbish"? Unless you are privy to actualities that us mortals haven't had the advantage of seeing there are no plans. I spent a lot of my campaigning time last year reassuring residents on the Edge Avenue estate that they weren't getting a stadium in the field behind their houses. Now where do you suppose that piece of mis-information came from? It was supported by a map that had the Edge Avenue estate in its correct position but the stadium site was drawn completely out of scale. There may well be issues once the plans are drawn up. Perhaps the dynamic duo would be better waiting for those or maybe I'm being far too simplistic. "Vanity project" seems to be a pet word for those who don't wish to see the stadium project succeed. I haven't seen the unemployment figures lately but I'd suggest that anything which will see the creation of a reasonably large number of jobs will be viewed as the wise use of said "public money". Perhaps fortunately for you you haven't named the councillors you allege have involved themselves in "corrupt and secretive" dealings. The libel laws in this country have a nasty habit of being used in such cases. Meanwhile back in factsville it is a certainty that not every house in Park Ward received an invite to the meeting on Monday. I'll leave you to wonder why that might be. By their own admittance the Lib. Dem. councillors failed to control the meeting sufficiently well to enable those in favour of the development to be heard and we have the uninspiring sight and sound of Councillor Barfield bemoaning the fact that he thought his meeting was secret enough for him to be able to get away with talk of booby trapping the project. How dare a member of the public do the community a service by filming proceedings for the benefit of those who couldn't fit into a church hall (or even those who feared for their safety from a rabble that weren't prepared to countenance opposite arguments being presented)
"There are no plans" is not really correct. Without any plans a suitability study could not have been conducted. Whilst these will be draft and possibly subje t to large changes as it develops it is reasonable to assume that the boundary of the develoment as marked on the plan in the study is fairly accurate. From this you can see the scale of whatever development might be submitted. So if it is good enough for the council to vote on it is certainly good enough for me to form an opinion. Your next point about my alegations about councillors integrity. Why did Fenty say on radio Humberside some time ago that it was a done deal? Why are these rumours of undehand deals continually circulating about letting the ground go ahead. I challenged a prominent councillor about this whose reaction was to stare at his feet looking very uneasy and did not answer? Why did a one party cabinet with no representations from ward councillors take a few minutes to approve such a one sided document that has such a wide ranging effect? Until these are answered I cannot support such a project.
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