Labours leader Jeremy Corbyn

Quoted from James77

Judging by the comments on the Grimsby Telegraph's articles about Melanie Onn's position, it looks like an orchestrated campaign is starting against her (and other MPs) who voted that they had no confidence in Corbyn by the Trots, Stalinists and SWP clan who make up his core support.

That's an absolutely bizarre view to take from the comments after a telewag article! I've just skimmed through them and there is absolutely nothing in there which indicates anything about any sort of campaign against Onn. Obviously, she's going to back the coup long plotted by the right-wing of the party without whose patronage she wouldn't have got the seat, but that's just to be expected. As is the disappointment from those who supported Corbyn and policies which are actually a bit left-wing, instead of Tory-lite.

Corbyn can't plausibly continue as a leader with a backing of the PLP but then this really has never been a possiblity as the plotting shows. What is extremely distasteful is the way in which this scheming has gone on - interesting article here about those behind this plotting:

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/28/truth-behind-labour-coup-really-began-manufactured-exclusive/

All sounds a bit conspiracy-theoryish, but there is no doubting that the Blairites are trying to organise the whole thing and are quite happy to manufacture news to do so.

If they can't keep Corbyn off the ballot, he'll win again, without a doubt. If they do keep him off the ballot, it will be the end of the Labour party as members will resign in their hundreds of thousands. The self-serving PLP has copulated over the members regardless of the outcome.

Quoted from Maringer

That's an absolutely bizarre view to take from the comments after a telewag article! I've just skimmed through them and there is absolutely nothing in there which indicates anything about any sort of campaign against Onn. Obviously, she's going to back the coup long plotted by the right-wing of the party without whose patronage she wouldn't have got the seat, but that's just to be expected. As is the disappointment from those who supported Corbyn and policies which are actually a bit left-wing, instead of Tory-lite.

Corbyn can't plausibly continue as a leader with a backing of the PLP but then this really has never been a possiblity as the plotting shows. What is extremely distasteful is the way in which this scheming has gone on - interesting article here about those behind this plotting:

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/28/truth-behind-labour-coup-really-began-manufactured-exclusive/

All sounds a bit conspiracy-theoryish, but there is no doubting that the Blairites are trying to organise the whole thing and are quite happy to manufacture news to do so.

If they can't keep Corbyn off the ballot, he'll win again, without a doubt. If they do keep him off the ballot, it will be the end of the Labour party as members will resign in their hundreds of thousands. The self-serving PLP has copulated over the members regardless of the outcome.

Democracy strong as ever I see in the shambles of the labour party, I said last year on here that by appointing him would make the Labour Party the woolworths of politics, and the Labour lovers on here laughed, well your not laughing now 😄

Quoted from Maringer

That's an absolutely bizarre view to take from the comments after a telewag article! I've just skimmed through them and there is absolutely nothing in there which indicates anything about any sort of campaign against Onn. Obviously, she's going to back the coup long plotted by the right-wing of the party without whose patronage she wouldn't have got the seat, but that's just to be expected. As is the disappointment from those who supported Corbyn and policies which are actually a bit left-wing, instead of Tory-lite.

Corbyn can't plausibly continue as a leader with a backing of the PLP but then this really has never been a possiblity as the plotting shows. What is extremely distasteful is the way in which this scheming has gone on - interesting article here about those behind this plotting:

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/28/truth-behind-labour-coup-really-began-manufactured-exclusive/

All sounds a bit conspiracy-theoryish, but there is no doubting that the Blairites are trying to organise the whole thing and are quite happy to manufacture news to do so.

If they can't keep Corbyn off the ballot, he'll win again, without a doubt. If they do keep him off the ballot, it will be the end of the Labour party as members will resign in their hundreds of thousands. The self-serving PLP has copulated over the members regardless of the outcome.

It's not a bizarre conclusion to draw at all when you read the comments below the GT article - a lot of bile being chucked her way, overwhelmingly negative responses to an MP who appears to be doing a good job in supporting and promoting the area. All because she appears to think that Labour are heading for electoral oblivion unless the leadership changes.

Clearly anyone who disagrees with Corbyn is now labelled as a 'Blairite', despite the fact that MPs on the left of the party and those who remain on his front bench gave him a vote of no confidence too. I don't think Corbyn is up to the job - regardless of his policies, he's not a good leader - and the party risks becoming an irrelevance, as it is in Scotland, if it continues on its current path.

Didn't really see any bile there myself - just criticism, much of it understandable.

Onn is generally doing OK but, of course, didn't vote against the government's Welfare Bill which will impact thousands of her constituents. It may have been party policy to abstain following Harman's idiotic decision, but 48 MPs showed some sense, went against the party line (because it was wrong) and backed an amendment which opposed it. If you aren't going to defend the poorest in society, should you really be a Labour MP?

Note, she also backed Yvette Cooper for leader, very much a pro-Austerity candidate on the right of the party. Some of Cooper's utterances are really bizarre considering she is a highly-qualified economist - she's obviously forgotten everything she learned at Oxford, Harvard and the LSE! Just like her husband did, which handed the Tories the last election.

Jeremy Corbyn has little choice but to stay until there is a democratic challenge. A right wing coup is something for a banana republic not a mainstream PLP. They have been waiting for an excuse but has kept confounding them(more votes than the tories at the local election against expectations and By-election wins with big swings toward labour) and the EU vote gave them that even tho he got similar support for his view in the party as did Sturgeon did with SNP.
The party has to decide whether it wants all the party to choose the leader or just a couple of hundred MP`s. ( even the tories let their members elect their leader)  Who will the PLP represent if it just the MPs? especially with people like Hillary Benn parachuted into Leeds because it is a safe seat.
If Corbyn wins any leadership election which seems likely the MPs will have to resign the whip and at the very least face reselection, (which many think they should do any way). the Labour party made a mistake with the approved by Blair candidate list that has given them career polititions without the links to traditional Labour community voters and is now reaping the results.
Labour is in a hard place whatever happens, it has already lost Scotland becuse it did not listen to its grass roots

What I don't understand is why not one of the Labour MPs who voted against Corbyn in that ridiculous, pointless secret ballot yesterday hasn't had the balls to stand up in a leadership campaign, even if just as a stalking horse candidate to get the show on the road? After all, that is how Corbyn won the leadership in the first place - he reluctantly stood as a left-wing candidate and the ineptitude of his opponents handed him the role.

The silent 170-odd MPs obviously care a lot more about their careers than the future of the Labour Party.

I've no love of the guys politics and no real love of him to be honest but he seems to have always stuck to his beliefs , that's more than any of the other arsewipes or Blairites as some call them would have done.
They was always going to do him in eventually

Difficult to see how this can be reconciled if Corbin is supported by the membership. Corbin is the leader of the party ,which presumably is the membership. 170 MPs would seem to be the tail wagging the dog if the membership supports him. However he is also their leader in the commons so what do they do if they don't believe in him, their prospects of government under him nor large parts of his policy beliefs? Presumably then the indidual MPs would have to consult their constituencies to establish their views plus the likelihood of them being deselected! The problem seems intractable without recourse to continued civil war ,a break up or the expected annihilation in a snap general election.

Quoted from forza ivano

Difficult to see how this can be reconciled if Corbin is supported by the membership. Corbin is the leader of the party ,which presumably is the membership. 170 MPs would seem to be the tail wagging the dog if the membership supports him. However he is also their leader in the commons so what do they do if they don't believe in him, their prospects of government under him nor large parts of his policy beliefs? Presumably then the indidual MPs would have to consult their constituencies to establish their views plus the likelihood of them being deselected! The problem seems intractable without recourse to continued civil war ,a break up or the expected annihilation in a snap general election.

The membership overwhelmingly supported Corbyn because the system is not working for the working class in this country, the PLP did not buy in to this new vision and have never supported him.
When I was young the country was in theory was much less affluent but no MP of any party would believe in a future with a economy much bigger and wealthier would have people going to food banks and have zero hours contracts, or that a business leader could rob a pension pot and see 11,000 BHS jobs go while lounging on his super yacht with his tax exile wife , waiting to take delivery of a private jet and be made a Sir.
There is no way Labour can win under Corbyn, but equally there is no way the Labour party will survive if it does not get back to its roots, people cannot just say "I am Labour and I know whats best for you" however well intentioned they are. Parliament is less representative than ever and my biggest fear is the far right will be the place that many will turn .
There is a battle going on to decide exactly what Labour is now and who it represents thats why Corbyn cannot just step down however much he probably wants to, when 60% of the party vote for you it a big responsibility and walking away will feel like a betrayal to them, whatever happens it will take a long time to rebuild and the thought of Boris and Gove is quite scary

Think you're over egging the pudding a little. Remember Murdoch, goldsmith and further Back Rachman?  Green has been forced to appear before a select committee and to address the pension problem. Shareholder power, whilst still too weak, is far more of a force than it was 20 years ago, equally so the power of pressure groups.
It seems to me that part of the problem for labour and also for the trade unions that there isn't the serious issues affecting millions of people in society that there were 40-60 years ago.then the issues over housing ,health environmental issues ,health and safety,education ,the welfare state seriously and detrimentally affected non working class, working  class and skilled workers, tradesmen etc.literally millions of people.it gave plenty of scope for labour to improve people's lives and to attract their undying support.
If we are being brutal many of that group are pretty comfortably off nowadays.Ground workers get £100+ per day carpenters and brickies 50% more than that.given many are self employed they are as well off as teachers nurses, store managers etc they have their own houses, they are aspirational and generally their lives are far far better than they were in their parents day. The number of people who are suffering the old privations is more likely to be in the hundreds of thousands rather than the millions, and unfortunately they don't generally vote and as a result are largely unheard. Corbin is genuinely and admirably on their side.unfortunately for him that group plus the metropolitan liberal/ solid socialists that are corbinistas is too small a grouping to win elections.
It is very admirable that Corbin is so steadfast in his beliefs , pro immigration, pro refugee, anti royalist, pacifist, supporter of causes like Irish and Arab nationalism etc. Generally anti military. Whilst the morning star, the corbinistas and leftward leaning unions love him for it ,the referendum and  opinion polls suggest huge swathes of former labour supporters, particularly in the midlands and north are diametrically opposed to such views. As the old saying goes, what makes him good ,make him bad
It seems to me that under corbin and with the corbinistas enthusiastic support ,labour is a voiceferous protest group, which is unelectable. The alternative is Blair light labour, more effective electorally but dispensing with the morals and caring for the underdog morals of Corbin. Neither is a particularly attractive option