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When Corbyn was elected as the leader of the Labour party, I admired the bloke. Although I disagreed strongly with his viewpoints on the vast majority of things, he seemed to me a man who had his point of view and told us what it was no matter what other people thought. Unlike the vast majority of senior politicans in this country who I belive tell us what they think we want to hear and not what they actually think/belive or have ulterior motives. Boris in my view is a prime example in what I think was jumping on the bandwagon of Leave so if he had any success he could maneuver into Cameron's job Quite where Corbyn has gone wrong or why he's been weak is a bit surprising, expected a bit more from him
I don't care anymore. I am a fan of Corbyn but as I feared, he's been slaughtered from all sides. Me and politics are having trial separation for a while.
Ginny, sorry if I was overly heating about the referendum result in the in/out thread. I'll give it a rest and agree to disagree. |
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The New Labour years have hollowed out the party whilst losing the reason for their existence - too many has-beens, no-marks and never-weres. The fact that Umunna is touted as a potential leader when he doesn't appear to have strong views on, well, anything, shows how little depth there is.
Too many tainted by Blair and his foreign expeditions and there may be some truth in the theory that they are desperate to get rid of Corbyn as he apparently stands willing to call for Blair to be tried for war crimes following the eventual release of Chilcott!
Cameron came out of nowhere to become Tory leader all those years ago but had the benefit of not actually having any background in politics to look at and didn't need to say anything about policies for years. The press left him alone and he then benefited after the financial crash. By lying about the causes of the crash, of course, but then he was a PR man so that is no surprise. In comparison, Corbyn has been under attack from all sides from the off.
Cameron has made a art form of not having any policies or views on anything. He won't answer questions and just changes the subject to some sound bite. We never even knew where he stood on Europe until this year and look where that's got him. The establishment don't want Corbyn and the BBC seem to have a personal vendetta against him. No one wants to have any discussion in the media that has a view there is any sort of alternative to austerity. |
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No probs Bluerose. Politics is an emotive business and I'm too long in the tooth to get het up about it.
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Even if Corbin survives there is going to be a continuing problem that labour seem incapable of dealing with. It seems pretty obvious now that the establishment and labour hugely underestimated the concern /anger /opposition of many labour voters to immigrants or immigration. Corbin will not even mention immigration and is obviously vehemently opposed to any sort of restrictions, how you square that with the diametrically opposed views of many of your natural voters seems impossible. Can quite easily see a snap election so the tories can secure a much larger majority whilst a triumphant ukip start taking northern labour seats. One pollster has guesstimated that in the worst case you'd be left with a rump of just 75 labour MPs.. Interesting times. Btw are there enough labour MPs to fill the 30 odd unfilled shadow team posts?  |
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Even if Corbin survives there is going to be a continuing problem that labour seem incapable of dealing with. It seems pretty obvious now that the establishment and labour hugely underestimated the concern /anger /opposition of many labour voters to immigrants or immigration. Corbin will not even mention immigration and is obviously vehemently opposed to any sort of restrictions, how you square that with the diametrically opposed views of many of your natural voters seems impossible. Can quite easily see a snap election so the tories can secure a much larger majority whilst a triumphant ukip start taking northern labour seats. One pollster has guesstimated that in the worst case you'd be left with a rump of just 75 labour MPs.. Interesting times. Btw are there enough labour MPs to fill the 30 odd unfilled shadow team posts?
Absolutely agree with this, Corbyn blatant ignorance on people's immigration fears will spell the end for Labour if he stays on! In his little socialist handbook immigration is a wonderful thing, which must be promoted at every opportunity. It doesn’t matter to him that millions of Labour voters have seen their wage rates undercut by EU workers, and pressure placed on their schools, hospitals and GP surgeries by uncontrollable EU migration, he has betrayed the people he was supposed to represent. labour voters should be very worried in my opinion and they should send a clear message that he's not wanted, because if he stays on labour heartlands Will fall to UKIP  just like up in Scotland with the Scottish Nationalists. If only Corbyn had had the balls to identify with Labour supporters, he would stand today as a brave man who had stuck by his principles. He would maybe of shown he had the moral stature to be prime minister. |
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If only Corbyn had had the balls to identify with Labour supporters, he would stand today as a brave man who had stuck by his principles. He would maybe of shown he had the moral stature to be prime minister.
but that's the problem/good thing about him.he DOES stick by his principles, unfortunately those principles are diametrically opposed by a large amount of natural labour supporters
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If only Corbyn had had the balls to identify with Labour supporters, he would stand today as a brave man who had stuck by his principles. He would maybe of shown he had the moral stature to be prime minister.
but that's the problem/good thing about him.he DOES stick by his principles, unfortunately those principles are diametrically opposed by a large amount of natural labour supporters
If he had been true to his life-long principles, Corbyrn would have put himself at the head of this huge army of unhappy voters. Probably the over-riding belief of his entire political career has been a deep antipathy towards the EU. He's betrayed not only those voters but also his principles thus he simply cannot be trusted. |
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If he had been true to his life-long principles, Corbyrn would have put himself at the head of this huge army of unhappy voters. Probably the over-riding belief of his entire political career has been a deep antipathy towards the EU. He's betrayed not only those voters but also his principles thus he simply cannot be trusted.
He couldn't do that because he then wouldn't be able to square the circle with his views on restricting immigration. in reality he was probably the most honest of all politicians when he said he was 7 out of 10 pro eu. sums up where he found himself, i.e. with the eu protecting workers rights, the environmental safeguards and the fact that brexit will mean job losses for the working classes, on balance it was better to be in than out |
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He has to resign. All this 'he's a decent bloke' stuff is believable but he seems intent on clinging on, relegating the Labour Party to the status of a far-left pressure group and leaving the country without a credible left-wing alternative. If a snap general election is called, UKIP and the Tories would take centre stage - Labour would be a sideshow.
Judging by the comments on the Grimsby Telegraph's articles about Melanie Onn's position, it looks like an orchestrated campaign is starting against her (and other MPs) who voted that they had no confidence in Corbyn by the Trots, Stalinists and SWP clan who make up his core support.
While I disagree with Melanie Onn's position on a few things (she's listened to way too much simplistic NGO propaganda on fishing, for example), as an MP I think she does a good job for the town and is a vast improvement on her predecessor. I wish her well.
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just like up in Scotland with the Scottish Nationalists.