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November 17, 2015, 7:13pm
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Here we go again but I have always said since the announcement that the flats will be coming down is where the stadium will be placed and I bet it will be called the shoreline stadium ( they will possibly even borrow the plans of the keepmoat ) so I see this as stalling tactics until the site is cleared


I don't think they are coming down now though. I think the prohibitive cost has put Shoreline off the idea. That's what I heard from a Shoreline employee unless they have changed their mind again.
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I think looking at that map that was posted is one of the most useful pieces of information.

I think as well as the location you have to look at the size of the site, which allows enabling development and non matchday income streams.

I think the cromwell road/millennium, peakes parkway and morrisons sites are large enough and are in reasonably densely populated areas.  They look like they have plenty of room for development and reasonable transport.

Freemo just has no room for everything, plus would you park your car there!! also do we really not see this and the garth lane sites being a nightmare for the club to police on big games when the force demand on being there, imagine the bill that the force would expect them to pay!!!

Garth lane again is just not big enough.  King George tiny as is B&Q and Ladysmith Road.

Tioxide is completely wrong location as is Europarc which I would argue is also too small.

Yet again no no no to Great Coates.

So for me sensibly it has to be either Peakes Parkway or Morrisons of that final list.  It will be interesting to hear Fenty's thoughts on Morrisons as I think we know what they will be on the others.
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Not that the stadium will ever come to fruition, but I would be gutted if it was out of town or the council wedged a running track into it.
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I'm no Labour supporter, but I think this ineptitude has gone on for 20-odd years and has the fingerprints of all sides on it.

Councils are bound by certain legal obligations in terms of due diligence and procedure.  What I saw in that report was a comprehensive and exhaustive exploration of the options within the borough, with Peakes Parkway coming out on top by a long way, so much so that if you read the breakdown of the scores for the other locations, PP is the ONLY option that is viable on the key points.  In this respect, the report has made official and irrefutable the case against such Pie-in-the-Sky ideas as King George, Pyewipe and Europarc.

This looks to me like the council would be on board if the plan were to go in, and also gives a strong argument in favour of PP in case the project is referred to the Secretary of State by objectors further down the line who hope to overturn a decision.  It's up to the club and council now to move this on and flesh out the plan to make it happen.
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Colchester's community stadium is owned by the Borough Council and operated by the football club. The council borrowed over £10 million to build it with difference being made up by grants and other angel funding. I don't want to assume anything but if we are looking at a similar model then we will be renting off NELC I guess.


You may well be correct. The fact is that none of us (including me) can say with certainty that is what will happen.


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GET ON WITH IT !!!!!! WE HAVE WAITED FOR SO LONG ALREADY!!!!!!
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Here we go again but I have always said since the announcement that the flats will be coming down is where the stadium will be placed and I bet it will be called the shoreline stadium ( they will possibly even borrow the plans of the keepmoat ) so I see this as stalling tactics until the site is cleared



It isn't just the area of the flats though. Compulsory purchase orders would need to be put on a lot of the properties that aren't going to be knocked down in order to accommodate reasonable car parking and the anchor tenants/housing development.


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The Colchester funding idea is good, but don't locate it like Colchester have, off the A12 in the middle of nowhere. No to Europarc.
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It isn't just the area of the flats though. Compulsory purchase orders would need to be put on a lot of the properties that aren't going to be knocked down in order to accommodate reasonable car parking and the anchor tenants/housing development.


Can you see the land owners resisting the compulsory purchase orders pretty sure most with give up the liability of the run down properties like a flash.
Things are already stated in my mind with the sealing off of freeman way .


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pretty sure they will be down next year very few of the flats are occupied now with the exception of nelson house
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In an ideal world, I'd love it to be by Alexandra Dock in the middle of Town, or just off a rejuvenated Freeman Street, but really can't see it.  In terms of availability, it looks like PP is the only game in town, unless the council pulls some sort of redevelopment grant rabbit out of the hat.
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