Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Fishy Forum Fishy Boards Archive › THAT decision......
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 388 Guests

THAT decision......

  This thread currently has 15,338 views. Print
8 Pages 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 All Recommend Thread
Sussexmariner
May 17, 2015, 6:25pm

Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 711
Posts Per Day: 0.12
Reputation: 74.62%
Rep Score: +4 / -2
Location: freezing my bollocks off on Gatwick runway
Approval: +618
Gold Stars: 18
On the train home to Sussex, can someone just explain why the ref only gave a yellow card to their goalie for hand ball outside the area? If he's given the yellow he's acknowledged the goalie has handled outside the area, a automatic red card surely?!?!  Being accidental is not an issue that fact ollies shot was goal bound just makes it worse, I think the ref made a fundamental refereeing error and should be brought to account


Are we any closer to getting promoted since Hurst has been here? No

Has he been given time to achieve promotion by the chairman and fans? Yes

Hurst out
Logged Offline
Private Message
GtfcGarner
May 17, 2015, 6:26pm

Champagne Drinker
Posts: 2,189
Posts Per Day: 0.43
Reputation: 72.07%
Rep Score: +31 / -13
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +1,788
Gold Stars: 26
Let's not clutch at straws we would of been raging had McKeown been sent off. Let's sleep and regroup
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 1 - 70
Tangerine Chris
May 17, 2015, 6:28pm
Old git with a sense of humour
Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 754
Posts Per Day: 0.18
Reputation: 73.61%
Rep Score: +9 / -4
Approval: -24
Ref deemed it NOT to be a goal scoring opportunity as there was a defender behind the goalie


IF YOU PLAY FOR THE BADGE ON THE FRONT OF YOUR SHIRT
THEY WILL REMEMBER THE NAME ON THE BACK OF IT





You can change your wife, your house, your car, but you can never change your team.
Chairmen come and go, boards come and go, but the fans remain.
They are the one true constant

Eddie Thompson OBE
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 2 - 70
Sussexmariner
May 17, 2015, 6:32pm

Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 711
Posts Per Day: 0.12
Reputation: 74.62%
Rep Score: +4 / -2
Location: freezing my bollocks off on Gatwick runway
Approval: +618
Gold Stars: 18
Not clutching straws

A massive error by the ref, it's not his interpretation of a footballing law, he got it wrong, the goalie committed a red card offence and the ref got it wrong.
Rovers down to 10 for the majority of the match? A massive massive decision


Are we any closer to getting promoted since Hurst has been here? No

Has he been given time to achieve promotion by the chairman and fans? Yes

Hurst out
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 3 - 70
Teestogreen
May 17, 2015, 6:36pm

Champagne Drinker
Posts: 2,074
Posts Per Day: 0.56
Reputation: 81.8%
Rep Score: +10 / -2
Approval: -113
Gold Stars: 20
The ball was heading for the goal with no chance of anyone stopping it - apart from the goalkeeper with his hand - outside of the penalty area.

With Town at 1-0 up and in control of the game at this point - The ref did the Gasheads a big favour in my view.

Puddy's keeping was exemplary after this, as he cut out nearly all of Towns crosses and minimised our threat.


Blundell Park - The Home of Grimsby Town Football Club (still)  
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 4 - 70
Sussexmariner
May 17, 2015, 6:38pm

Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 711
Posts Per Day: 0.12
Reputation: 74.62%
Rep Score: +4 / -2
Location: freezing my bollocks off on Gatwick runway
Approval: +618
Gold Stars: 18
"Ref deemed it NOT to be a goal scoring opportunity as there was a defender behind the goalie"

But it was the goalie that handled the ball outside his area, that's a automatic sending off isn't it?!?? Even if Palmer had not taken a shot ! I stand to be corrected but that is what I've always thought?


Are we any closer to getting promoted since Hurst has been here? No

Has he been given time to achieve promotion by the chairman and fans? Yes

Hurst out
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 5 - 70
CambsMariner
May 17, 2015, 6:40pm
Shandy Drinker
Posts: 50
Posts Per Day: 0.01
Reputation: 83.41%
Rep Score: +2 / 0
Approval: +129
All ifs and maybes. The referee should have sent him off but on another day McKeown could have been sent off and conceded a penalty. The only thing I do know is that Palmer should have cleared the corner that they scored from.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 6 - 70
Teestogreen
May 17, 2015, 6:44pm

Champagne Drinker
Posts: 2,074
Posts Per Day: 0.56
Reputation: 81.8%
Rep Score: +10 / -2
Approval: -113
Gold Stars: 20
With 10 men on the pitch for Bristol Rovers, it is unlikely that the game would have evolved in the same way - as to create the McKeown and Palmer incidents.


Blundell Park - The Home of Grimsby Town Football Club (still)  
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 7 - 70
Eastendmariner
May 17, 2015, 6:47pm
Mariners Trust Life Member
Season Ticket Holder
Posts: 935
Posts Per Day: 0.16
Reputation: 69.11%
Rep Score: +8 / -5
Location: East London
Approval: +926
Gold Stars: 22
Since when 1 on 1  not a goal scoring opportunity  just like their penalty  pants  on both counts you could not make it up.  If those two des ions had been in the cup final with any of the top four  the ref would of been sacrificed at half time .what supporters want is constant referring not make it up as you go  along. Regroup and start again  I thought town  where  superb today really proud of the players.


Mariner Trust Life Member  

Seen the Mariners win AWAY at 70 league Grounds

Grounds Visited 281[img][/img]

Blundell Park a Training ground for bum ref's
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 8 - 70
CambsMariner
May 17, 2015, 6:48pm
Shandy Drinker
Posts: 50
Posts Per Day: 0.01
Reputation: 83.41%
Rep Score: +2 / 0
Approval: +129
As we all know a team can play better or worse with 10 players so who knows what would have happened. All I was trying to say is that a game is full of decisions that are out of the players hands. At the end of the day the best over 120 minutes lost today.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 9 - 70
petethemariner
May 17, 2015, 6:50pm
Cocktail Drinker
Posts: 1,563
Posts Per Day: 0.32
Reputation: 91.83%
Rep Score: +36 / -2
Approval: +1,011
Gold Stars: 16
I think the thing that saved the keeper from a red was the fact that the ball hit his arm after hitting
him on the waistline, i might be wrong, but i think that a red for a keeper is for deliberate hand ball
outside the box, i was as gutted as everyone, but i think it would be harsh to say that it was deliberate.
I am probably in the minority, but i thought the ref had a decent game, didn't fall for that disgusting play acting
by Taylor after he almost decapitated our keeper and didn't fall for the dive that many would have when
Taylor went down after being one on one with McKeown.It was  poetic justice that Taylor got his black eye
when diving to get  a penalty.
I feel equally devastated as all GTFC  fans will, we were the better side, the players gave it their all, but the lack
of quality forwards and ideas in the final third has cost us again IMO.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 10 - 70
ginnywings
May 17, 2015, 6:50pm

Recovering Alcoholic
Posts: 28,126
Posts Per Day: 5.05
Reputation: 73.79%
Rep Score: +88 / -32
Approval: +55,972
Gold Stars: 537
The TV pundits mostly agreed it should have been a red and i concur. Denying a goalscoring opportunity is a straight red bit it matters not now. We lost and they are celebrating what is a very good achievement by them in going back up at the first attempt. We should be so lucky; another season at least in the dregs.

These close games hang on such moments.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 11 - 70
forza ivano
May 17, 2015, 7:05pm

Exile
Posts: 14,680
Posts Per Day: 2.47
Reputation: 80.18%
Rep Score: +73 / -18
Approval: +15,138
Gold Stars: 265
These things even themselves out.pn another day with a worse ref mckeownn could be gone and we had no reserve keeper.also magnay should've been sent off for two yellows
Logged Online
Private Message
Reply: 12 - 70
HertsGTFC
May 17, 2015, 7:10pm

Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 13,855
Posts Per Day: 4.23
Reputation: 78.66%
Rep Score: +29 / -8
Location: Stevenage
Approval: +22,629
Gold Stars: 217
It just had to be that ref though!!


"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style  
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 13 - 70
Green27
May 17, 2015, 7:19pm
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 5,506
Posts Per Day: 0.92
Reputation: 73.98%
Rep Score: +15 / -6
Location: Woking
Approval: +888
Gold Stars: 12
Yeah they even up. I remember last year when Ross Joyce didn't send Neilson off for having no contact with a player hmmm


We do the DN35 Podcast
Logged Online
Private Message
Reply: 14 - 70
mariner91
May 17, 2015, 7:56pm
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 15,431
Posts Per Day: 2.64
Reputation: 86.91%
Rep Score: +78 / -11
Location: Lincs
Approval: +19,249
Gold Stars: 253
He's stopped a shot heading towards goal with his arm outside of his area. It's a clear and obvious red card. If a goalkeeper stopping a shot at goal is not considered a goal scoring chance then I give up trying to interpret the rules.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 15 - 70
MuddyWaters
May 17, 2015, 8:37pm
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 14,028
Posts Per Day: 2.60
Reputation: 68.15%
Rep Score: +48 / -24
Approval: +31,883
Gold Stars: 230
The first big decision went their way - let's be in no doubt. Goalie handballs outside the area is a straight red, there was absolutely no doubt about it, any decisions after that are superfluous as the game may have evolved differently. The reason Mckeown didn't walk was because Joyce needed to even it up.

Bottom line is that when a ref needed to follow the rules, he didn't have the balls to do so. Story of Town's recent history sadly.
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 16 - 70
Sussexmariner
May 17, 2015, 8:49pm

Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 711
Posts Per Day: 0.12
Reputation: 74.62%
Rep Score: +4 / -2
Location: freezing my bollocks off on Gatwick runway
Approval: +618
Gold Stars: 18
Quoted from forza ivano
These things even themselves out.pn another day with a worse ref mckeownn could be gone and we had no reserve keeper.also magnay should've been sent off for two yellows


It's not a case of even themselves out, Magnay sent off or not, McKeownn off or not is an opinion of the ref, right or wrong but he gave a yellow card to their goalie so he accepted he handled the ball deliberately outside the box, if he thought it was accidental he would of given nothing. So what was the yellow card for? Handball by the goalie outside the box, a straight red, end of

There's no interpretation in this, just like if he gives 2 yellow cards to a player, he has to send the player off, he has no "opinion or interpretation" in that decision,

I'm still fuming


Are we any closer to getting promoted since Hurst has been here? No

Has he been given time to achieve promotion by the chairman and fans? Yes

Hurst out
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 17 - 70
Chrisblor
May 17, 2015, 8:55pm

Elemér Berkessy
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 7,205
Posts Per Day: 1.22
Reputation: 72.75%
Rep Score: +51 / -20
Location: somewhere along the m180
Approval: +8,678
Gold Stars: 229
Ross Joyce is a a gutless girl private and he bottled this decision. The effort was on target, their defenders weren't going to get back and it was a clear goal scoring opportunity. Bristol are cheats and they can intercourse right off..


gary jones
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 18 - 70
Abdul19
May 17, 2015, 8:55pm

Season Ticket Holder
Posts: 20,369
Posts Per Day: 3.42
Reputation: 73.77%
Rep Score: +71 / -26
Location: Scarborough
Approval: +17,449
Gold Stars: 213
I could sort of understand it if he'd waved play on, but once he's given a foul for deliberate handball (stopping a shot) then it's a red card, that's the law isn't it? He seems to have made his own up.


JESUS AT THE CENTRE
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 19 - 70
chaos33
May 17, 2015, 8:55pm
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 11,531
Posts Per Day: 2.58
Reputation: 67.78%
Rep Score: +66 / -33
Location: The mountains
Approval: +17,786
Gold Stars: 349
Quoted from Sussexmariner


It's not a case of even themselves out, Magnay sent off or not, McKeownn off or not is an opinion of the ref, right or wrong but he gave a yellow card to their goalie so he accepted he handled the ball deliberately outside the box, if he thought it was accidental he would of given nothing. So what was the yellow card for? Handball by the goalie outside the box, a straight red, end of

There's no interpretation in this, just like if he gives 2 yellow cards to a player, he has to send the player off, he has no "opinion or interpretation" in that decision,

I'm still fuming


It's hard to disagree. If the ref thought the ball to arm contact was purely accidental, then why book the keeper? It's red or it's nothing, surely?


"You should do what you love while you can"
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 20 - 70
Teestogreen
May 17, 2015, 8:58pm

Champagne Drinker
Posts: 2,074
Posts Per Day: 0.56
Reputation: 81.8%
Rep Score: +10 / -2
Approval: -113
Gold Stars: 20
To be honest - the appointment of that referee for this play off final, after the Gateshead debacle last season, needs to be investigated (given the outcome of this game and the manner of it) because it is bringing the Vanarama Conference League in to disrepute i.m.o.  


Blundell Park - The Home of Grimsby Town Football Club (still)  
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 21 - 70
supertown
May 17, 2015, 8:58pm
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 5,319
Posts Per Day: 0.90
Reputation: 74.86%
Rep Score: +25 / -9
Approval: +3,415
Gold Stars: 53
Robbed and I'm gutted, that was a red full stop and yet again we have lost to inept refereeing
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 22 - 70
SamTheMariner
May 17, 2015, 9:06pm
Snakebite drinker
Posts: 467
Posts Per Day: 0.13
Reputation: 79.87%
Rep Score: +4 / -1
Approval: -101
I was in a bad position to judge but Ollie's reaction suggested it was goal bound and that it hit his arm, if both are true then it's pretty unbelievable he wasn't dispatched.

Then again I thought Gregor bundled over Taylor in the box.

I thought Taylor dived as he went down easily and it just didn't look right.

Maybe Taylor should also have been sent off for A, the kicking out at Macca early on, B, the dive, C, descent any two of those 3 and he's gone.

I think we all just have to accept it wasn't our day and however bad we feel, JP must feel much, much, much worse.

Maybe next year, C'mon Town!

Grimsby 'Til I Die


[img]http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/275785/Article/images/18946866/4836403.jpg[/img]

Diz, a leader, a goal scorer, a true pro

UTM
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 23 - 70
carrot top
May 17, 2015, 9:12pm

Cocktail Drinker
Posts: 1,909
Posts Per Day: 0.34
Reputation: 91.12%
Rep Score: +22 / -1
Location: Cleethorpes
Approval: +811
Gold Stars: 2
Hand ball outside the box by a goalkeeper is not an auto red unles it prevents a goal scoring opportunity, IMO it did but sadly it is down to the refs interpretation. Palmers shot did look goal bound but the officials bottled it


[color=black]The Ecky 1977
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 24 - 70
topuphere666
May 17, 2015, 10:29pm
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 6,516
Posts Per Day: 1.19
Reputation: 77.96%
Rep Score: +24 / -7
Approval: +1,843
Gold Stars: 3
Just watched it back..

How on earth did he stay on the pitch!?
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 25 - 70
mariner91
May 17, 2015, 10:32pm
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 15,431
Posts Per Day: 2.64
Reputation: 86.91%
Rep Score: +78 / -11
Location: Lincs
Approval: +19,249
Gold Stars: 253
Quoted from topuphere666
Just watched it back..

How on earth did he stay on the pitch!?


Are the highlights on the internet? Or did you record it?


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 26 - 70
Sussexmariner
May 20, 2015, 2:41pm

Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 711
Posts Per Day: 0.12
Reputation: 74.62%
Rep Score: +4 / -2
Location: freezing my bollocks off on Gatwick runway
Approval: +618
Gold Stars: 18
Having just plucked up the courage to watch the game I recorded, I'm still flipping fuming about the blatant handball, instant dismissal, no ifs, no buts, no need for the ref to "interpret" the the law regarding a goal keeper handling outside his area.

This is going to be a long summer


Are we any closer to getting promoted since Hurst has been here? No

Has he been given time to achieve promotion by the chairman and fans? Yes

Hurst out
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 27 - 70
mariner91
May 20, 2015, 2:51pm
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 15,431
Posts Per Day: 2.64
Reputation: 86.91%
Rep Score: +78 / -11
Location: Lincs
Approval: +19,249
Gold Stars: 253
Is the footage anywhere on the internet? I still haven't seen it since the game.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 28 - 70
big al
May 20, 2015, 2:57pm
Snakebite drinker
Posts: 483
Posts Per Day: 0.09
Reputation: 86.91%
Rep Score: +5 / 0
Approval: +740
It's either a red or nothing at all. There's some bloke on the 'Gas bag' thing stating that it was accidental handball. He's a qualified referee and giving a long drawn out reason why it was 'ball to hand' and not 'hand to ball'. I'd find the link but I can't be bothered.

My thinking is that as Puddy stormed out of his area, he's acting like a keeper - his instinct is to save the ball. Even if his hands are by his sides he is still seeking to stop it - it's highly likely that he will indeed,  stop the ball. Inside the area, it's a great stop - outside the area, it has to be a premeditated and cynical act that would require his sending off.

(if the ball's not heading for the goal I guess there is a case to argue that a goal scoring chance wasn't denied - I haven't seen it yet on video and couldn't tell from where we were at Wembley whether it was heading for the goal)
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 29 - 70
gary_elton
May 20, 2015, 3:09pm

Vodka Drinker
Posts: 7,173
Posts Per Day: 1.20
Reputation: 79.43%
Rep Score: +23 / -6
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +1,243
Gold Stars: 6
It should've been red.... no question....

Ross Joyce  =   Priapismic Onanist  ( grade 1 )


All my pictures , Seem to fade to black and white.... (Reg Dwight)
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 30 - 70
mariner83
May 20, 2015, 3:29pm

Champagne Drinker
Posts: 2,176
Posts Per Day: 0.47
Reputation: 84.66%
Rep Score: +25 / -4
Location: Lincolnshire
Approval: +2,001
Gold Stars: 5
Quoted from mariner91


Are the highlights on the internet? Or did you record it?


Someone's just posted it here [url=http://thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1432072869/]http://thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1432072869/[/url]
Logged Offline
Site Private Message
Reply: 31 - 70
mariner91
May 20, 2015, 3:45pm
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 15,431
Posts Per Day: 2.64
Reputation: 86.91%
Rep Score: +78 / -11
Location: Lincs
Approval: +19,249
Gold Stars: 253
Quoted from mariner83


Someone's just posted it here [url=http://thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1432072869/]http://thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1432072869/[/url]


Eugh, how depressing. Clearly DOGSO. There's no way on earth that defender catches up with a goal bound shot.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 32 - 70
mike_d
May 20, 2015, 4:30pm
Snakebite drinker
Posts: 352
Posts Per Day: 0.07
Reputation: 84.77%
Rep Score: +3 / 0
Location: Rutland
Approval: +375
Gold Stars: 4
I clipped that from Mariners Player - so hopefully not too much of a copyright infringement.. If you watch the highlights it's around the 5 minute mark.. At full speed there's no chance the defender would get it.


To quote - Insanely amazing or amazingly insane. Life as a Town Fan.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 33 - 70
Hagrid
May 20, 2015, 4:40pm

Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 11,871
Posts Per Day: 2.79
Reputation: 71.14%
Rep Score: +49 / -21
Approval: +19,987
Gold Stars: 507
surely we have grounds to complain to the fa about this incompetent
twit Joyce who's reason for not sending the goalkeeper off is an absolute disgrace- see palmers interview for what I mean!
Logged Online
Private Message
Reply: 34 - 70
Theimperialcoroner
May 20, 2015, 4:57pm

Moderator
Posts: 6,256
Posts Per Day: 1.05
Reputation: 91.79%
Rep Score: +47 / -3
Location: Little hale
Approval: +5,088
Gold Stars: 93
Al, there is no such offence as accidental handball, so the 'qualified ref' is talking out of the same hole where Joyce plucked the original decision from.
I can't bear to watch it yet. If it's as bad as I think it's going to be, I might just explode.


Batch, Crombie, Moore K, Wiggington, Cumming, Waters, Bonnyman, Ford, Emson, Drinkell, Whymark. Love you all, You are the reason I'm on here. You've had help from Todd, Handyside, Futcher P, Groves, Mendonca, Macca etc etc etc. Up The Mariners!!!!!!!!!
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 35 - 70
timmo
May 20, 2015, 5:20pm
Beer Drinker
Posts: 165
Posts Per Day: 0.03
Reputation: 77.57%
Rep Score: +6 / -2
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +58
i'm confused... where in the Laws Of Association Football does it say if the keeper handles the ball outside the box its a sending off offence?

Timmo

UTM
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 36 - 70
Theimperialcoroner
May 20, 2015, 5:41pm

Moderator
Posts: 6,256
Posts Per Day: 1.05
Reputation: 91.79%
Rep Score: +47 / -3
Location: Little hale
Approval: +5,088
Gold Stars: 93
It is if he stops a goal-bound shot. This then is deemed to be denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity (dogso).
Joyce surely wins twit of the season.


Batch, Crombie, Moore K, Wiggington, Cumming, Waters, Bonnyman, Ford, Emson, Drinkell, Whymark. Love you all, You are the reason I'm on here. You've had help from Todd, Handyside, Futcher P, Groves, Mendonca, Macca etc etc etc. Up The Mariners!!!!!!!!!
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 37 - 70
gaz57
May 20, 2015, 5:59pm

Fine Wine Drinker
Posts: 1,378
Posts Per Day: 0.27
Reputation: 78.12%
Rep Score: +10 / -3
Approval: +993
Gold Stars: 3
No doubt in my mind that it was a red card but what concerns me is why didn't they appoint a higher standard league ref bearing in mind the status of the game and what was at stake. First class venue with a 5th class official. The people that run this league have less grey matter than the refs who manage the games.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 38 - 70
Les Brechin
May 20, 2015, 6:51pm

Moderator
Posts: 23,767
Posts Per Day: 4.19
Reputation: 82.43%
Rep Score: +114 / -24
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +12,644
Gold Stars: 168
The FA Trophy Final gets Premiership referee Michael Oliver whilst the far more important Conference Play-Off Final get that clown Ross Joyce!


[img]https://news.images.itv.com/image/file/402260/image_update_img.jpg[/img]
OFFICIAL FUNDRAISER FOR THE BRAIN TUMOUR CHARITY
TOTAL AMOUNT RAISED SINCE AUGUST 2008 £16613.24


LATEST DONATION - FROM DONATION FROM THE FISHY FORUM - AUG 2023 AMOUNT RAISED £170.00
        
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 39 - 70
mimma
May 20, 2015, 8:28pm
Brandy Drinker
Posts: 2,633
Posts Per Day: 0.44
Reputation: 85.27%
Rep Score: +15 / -2
Approval: +5,544
Gold Stars: 78
The reason it IS handball is because the keeper spread his arms out to make himself bigger.

Ever noticed that these days defenders in the area put their arms behind their back when trying to stop a shot or cross. This is to stop giving away a penalty.

If you put your arms out you are intentionally trying to stop the ball with your hands.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 40 - 70
The_Chief
May 20, 2015, 11:40pm
Lager Top Drinker
Posts: 252
Posts Per Day: 0.04
Reputation: 76.57%
Rep Score: +2 / -1
Approval: +302
Quoted from timmo
i'm confused... where in the Laws Of Association Football does it say if the keeper handles the ball outside the box its a sending off offence?

Timmo

UTM


Timmo, you can tell I lead a sad life, hand ball and "interpretation" - it comes under Law 12 "interpretation of the laws of the game" - fouls and missconduct.

With regards to handball the referee must take the following into consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the football (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the football (unexpected ball)

Disciplinary sanctions
A caution is given for unsporting behaviour when a player deliberately handles the ball, e.g. when a player deliberately handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession.

A player is sent off, however, if he prevents a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. This punishment arises not from the act of the player deliberately handling the ball but from the unacceptable and unfair intervention that prevented a goal being scored.

I'm actually seething now, especially if the ref did not send the player off to "spoil" the game.  I would have had no problem whatsoever if we had seen that game out 1-0 or won it 2-0 or 3-0.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 41 - 70
timmo
May 21, 2015, 12:19am
Beer Drinker
Posts: 165
Posts Per Day: 0.03
Reputation: 77.57%
Rep Score: +6 / -2
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +58
Quoted from The_Chief


Timmo, you can tell I lead a sad life, hand ball and "interpretation" - it comes under Law 12 "interpretation of the laws of the game" - fouls and missconduct.

With regards to handball the referee must take the following into consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the football (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the football (unexpected ball)

Disciplinary sanctions
A caution is given for unsporting behaviour when a player deliberately handles the ball, e.g. when a player deliberately handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession.

A player is sent off, however, if he prevents a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. This punishment arises not from the act of the player deliberately handling the ball but from the unacceptable and unfair intervention that prevented a goal being scored.

I'm actually seething now, especially if the ref did not send the player off to "spoil" the game.  I would have had no problem whatsoever if we had seen that game out 1-0 or won it 2-0 or 3-0.


Agreed, as a qualified ref completing 100's of games, the quote which is confusing me is if a keeper handles it outside the box he is dismissed regardless...

Personally I don't think he should have been sent off... I haven't seen it back or seen the incident other than 100yards away. I thought Mr Joyce had a good game.

Timmo
UTM
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 42 - 70
Maringer
May 21, 2015, 6:47am
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 11,097
Posts Per Day: 1.86
Reputation: 82.93%
Rep Score: +60 / -12
Approval: +16,140
Gold Stars: 180
Quoted from timmo


Personally I don't think he should have been sent off... I haven't seen it back or seen the incident other than 100yards away. I thought Mr Joyce had a good game.

Timmo
UTM


So, Puddy saving a shot with his hand outside the box (and deliberately saving it with his hand - it didn't just hit him) doesn't count as preventing a goal or obvious goalscoring opportunity?

What was it, then? Basketball?
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 43 - 70
Meza
May 21, 2015, 7:03am

We urine On Your Fish Yes we do yes we do
Special Brew Drinker
Posts: 9,711
Posts Per Day: 1.84
Reputation: 94.61%
Rep Score: +78 / -3
Location: Lincoln
Approval: +1,634
Gold Stars: 50
This is the problem with refs nowadays and probably the reason why they get so much stick is because they don't follow the letter of the law but interpret their own law.  Puddy should have walked end of.....do you think he would have walked if it was against Man U etc....of course he would.

And i don't think McKeown should have walked either i saw the incident very well and Taylor went down well after McKeown touched the ball.

Whichever way you look at it we were robbed end of.


[URL=https://imgur.com/VCxdH2Y][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/VCxdH2Ys.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=https://imgur.com/uMRVvRe][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/uMRVvRes.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=https://imgur.com/5p7nllT][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/5p7nllTs.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=https://imgur.com/46BEw5M][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/46BEw5Ms.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=https://imgur.com/06NXnQF][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/06NXnQFs.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

My Grimsby Legends
Logged Online
Private Message
Reply: 44 - 70
mariner2000
May 21, 2015, 7:23am

Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 976
Posts Per Day: 0.18
Reputation: 78.35%
Rep Score: +3 / -1
Location: Leicester
Approval: +164
Gold Stars: 3
On the two Magnay cards the way I say his yellow was the he foolishly got involved with a BR player who was pushing and shoving him so Magnay pushed and shoved him back.  If the ref had actually picked up the foul by the BR player Magnay would not have reacted and would not have been booked....Another poor decision but more IFS and BUTS
Logged Offline
Private Message Skype Skype
Reply: 45 - 70
gobby
May 21, 2015, 8:02am

Whiskey Drinker
Posts: 4,275
Posts Per Day: 0.76
Reputation: 93.06%
Rep Score: +31 / -1
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +767
Gold Stars: 7
I felt Puddy should have walked for DOGSO. Macca did make contact with Taylor's ankle and if the player had gone down with less drama he may have got the penalty. But the handball in the second half for a penalty for Town that Joyce clearly saw but waved away was just as bad as the keepers handball. 3 bad decisions in a game of this magnitude for me results in a bad day at the office for Joyce. Saying that from the stands and in real time it looked like he had a decent game, unfortunately TV and replays say different.
UTMM


The Icenian Predicition League  CHAMPION 2016/17
Beat The Clock Champion 2020/21 🏆 👏

My old man said follow the Town
And dont dilly dally on the way
We'll take Scunny in half a minute
We'll take Lincoln and all thats in it!

One Step Beyond.

                                   


     
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 46 - 70
Lambretta Mariner
May 21, 2015, 8:49am

Lager Top Drinker
Posts: 320
Posts Per Day: 0.05
Reputation: 81.19%
Rep Score: +5 / -1
Approval: +140
Quoted from timmo


Agreed, as a qualified ref completing 100's of games, the quote which is confusing me is if a keeper handles it outside the box he is dismissed regardless...

Personally I don't think he should have been sent off... I haven't seen it back or seen the incident other than 100yards away. I thought Mr Joyce had a good game.

Timmo
UTM


I wouldn't want you refereeing any games I was involved in then.

Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 47 - 70
ginnywings
May 21, 2015, 8:54am

Recovering Alcoholic
Posts: 28,126
Posts Per Day: 5.05
Reputation: 73.79%
Rep Score: +88 / -32
Approval: +55,972
Gold Stars: 537
It was either deliberate handball or it wasn't. Once Joyce booked him, then he decided it was a deliberate handball and therefore should have been a sending off. I have absolutely no doubt about it but he seemed to have come up with some half way law of his own. If he'd said that yes it was handball but in his opinion not a DOGSO, then i could maybe understand but he has compounded it with his lame, half a$$ed reason, the spineless fecker.

Apart from that, it seems that we never get the benefit of dodgy decisions, which is also galling. If the Ref is going to make a mistake (which invariably happens at this level) why the eff can't we get a game changer in our direction for once?
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 48 - 70
Rodley Mariner
May 21, 2015, 8:58am
Special Brew Drinker
Posts: 7,798
Posts Per Day: 1.37
Reputation: 78.86%
Rep Score: +63 / -17
Location: Farsley, Leeds
Approval: +13,215
Gold Stars: 176
He didn't deny a clear goal scoring opportunity - Palmer had got his shot off. The question therefore is did he deny a goal and I haven't seen a camera angle which answers that. If Joyce wasn't sure it was on target then he could only really give a yellow. Ultimately it doesn't really matter sadly.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 49 - 70
GrahamH
May 21, 2015, 9:05am

Coke Drinker
Posts: 39
Posts Per Day: 0.01
Reputation: 83.41%
Rep Score: +2 / 0
Approval: +3
Quoted from gobby
I felt Puddy should have walked for DOGSO. Macca did make contact with Taylor's ankle and if the player had gone down with less drama he may have got the penalty. But the handball in the second half for a penalty for Town that Joyce clearly saw but waved away was just as bad as the keepers handball. 3 bad decisions in a game of this magnitude for me results in a bad day at the office for Joyce. Saying that from the stands and in real time it looked like he had a decent game, unfortunately TV and replays say different.
UTMM


Agree with everything you say, but I would also suggest that Taylor should have had TWO YELLOWS the horrible little cheating Tw@t!


[b][/b]UTM    
Logged Online
Private Message
Reply: 50 - 70
mariner91
May 21, 2015, 9:10am
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 15,431
Posts Per Day: 2.64
Reputation: 86.91%
Rep Score: +78 / -11
Location: Lincs
Approval: +19,249
Gold Stars: 253
Quoted from timmo


Agreed, as a qualified ref completing 100's of games, the quote which is confusing me is if a keeper handles it outside the box he is dismissed regardless...

Personally I don't think he should have been sent off... I haven't seen it back or seen the incident other than 100yards away. I thought Mr Joyce had a good game.

Timmo
UTM


Congratulations! You have been promoted to refereeing in the Vanarama Conference. Your fixture list for the coming season will be with you in 4 weeks.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 51 - 70
ginnywings
May 21, 2015, 9:20am

Recovering Alcoholic
Posts: 28,126
Posts Per Day: 5.05
Reputation: 73.79%
Rep Score: +88 / -32
Approval: +55,972
Gold Stars: 537
Quoted from Rodley Mariner
He didn't deny a clear goal scoring opportunity - Palmer had got his shot off. The question therefore is did he deny a goal and I haven't seen a camera angle which answers that. If Joyce wasn't sure it was on target then he could only really give a yellow. Ultimately it doesn't really matter sadly.


If that is the case, then yes, i agree it was a yellow. If it's unclear whether it was a DOGSO or not, i guess on that basis, he was correct.

Why then say what he said?

As you point out, doesn't matter now.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 52 - 70
Rodley Mariner
May 21, 2015, 9:26am
Special Brew Drinker
Posts: 7,798
Posts Per Day: 1.37
Reputation: 78.86%
Rep Score: +63 / -17
Location: Farsley, Leeds
Approval: +13,215
Gold Stars: 176
Quoted from ginnywings


If that is the case, then yes, i agree it was a yellow. If it's unclear whether it was a DOGSO or not, i guess on that basis, he was correct.

Why then say what he said?

As you point out, doesn't matter now.


If he did say what Palmer says then it puts a different spin on it. Discounting that for me it can't be DOGSO as he'd had his shot. If he went to round him and he handled it that would be DOGSO. So it can only be red if it was denying a goal and how could he be sure it's on target? Only my take on it though and am clearly in a minority!
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 53 - 70
mariner91
May 21, 2015, 9:34am
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 15,431
Posts Per Day: 2.64
Reputation: 86.91%
Rep Score: +78 / -11
Location: Lincs
Approval: +19,249
Gold Stars: 253
Quoted from Rodley Mariner


If he did say what Palmer says then it puts a different spin on it. Discounting that for me it can't be DOGSO as he'd had his shot. If he went to round him and he handled it that would be DOGSO. So it can only be red if it was denying a goal and how could he be sure it's on target? Only my take on it though and am clearly in a minority!


If the situation had been slightly different and the last man in that position had been an outfield player, would you not consider that DOGSO then? Let's say the keeper has rushed out and is no longer in goal (don't know why but he has) and an outfield player stops a shot with his hand, the fact he's had the shot is irrelevant, the shot was the goal scoring opportunity as there was nobody left after the defender to stop it and the player has prevented it by using his arm. In the same sense, the keeper had stopped the ball illegally with his hand and there was nobody to block the shot after him so he has denied the goal scoring opportunity therefore it's a red card. Whether or not it was on target is irrelevant really, it's still denied the goal scoring opportunity by using his hand outside his area.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 54 - 70
Maringer
May 21, 2015, 9:34am
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 11,097
Posts Per Day: 1.86
Reputation: 82.93%
Rep Score: +60 / -12
Approval: +16,140
Gold Stars: 180
The keeper came rushing out of his area and deliberately saved the shot with his hand - it didn't just hit him, he actively had his arms spread out trying to make the save.

If the keeper obviously thought it was a goalscoring opportunity, perhaps the referee should have taken that into account?

Next season in the Premiershite/Champions League, I guarantee we'll see footage of a few occasions where the keeper receives his marching orders in a similar situation, most of them probably even less blatant than Puddy's offence.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 55 - 70
TownSNAFU5
May 21, 2015, 10:59am
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 5,917
Posts Per Day: 1.13
Reputation: 62.03%
Rep Score: +30 / -21
Location: York
Approval: +6,773
Gold Stars: 41
I thought at the time that the ref for remembering the (unfair) abuse that Howard Webb got in the Spain v  Holland Word Cup Final.

Holland were just dirty and Webb had no alternative but to take the repeated disciplinary action that he took.  He was strong enough to do so and followed the laws of football.

The unfair criticism from somequarters related to the fact that he "allegedly" ruined a showpiece final in forn a world-wide audience,  Holland did that.

Mr Joyce did not follow the laws of football, neither was he a strong ref.  His "comments" about not wanting to spoil the game "may" have been wrongly influenced by adverse reaction to Howard Webb taking a tough line.  Who knows with a NL ref?
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 56 - 70
ska face
May 21, 2015, 11:20am

Vodka Drinker
Posts: 7,146
Posts Per Day: 1.21
Reputation: 80.94%
Rep Score: +60 / -14
Approval: +21,342
Gold Stars: 820
Everyone sitting comfortably? Calm? Have a go on this then -

https://www.facebook.com/roy.charlton.14/videos/1638698116341626/


I'm fewmin m8.

Merely confirms my suspicion at the time that Joyce is a gutless bottle job and he's cost us. Big time. AGAIN.

The ball is going in. The defender is never getting anywhere close. Puddy's deliberately handled outside his area. There's no choice to be made. He has to go.
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 57 - 70
mariner91
May 21, 2015, 11:21am
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 15,431
Posts Per Day: 2.64
Reputation: 86.91%
Rep Score: +78 / -11
Location: Lincs
Approval: +19,249
Gold Stars: 253
Jesus, it's worse than I thought, didn't realise his arm had come that far out. Saw some BR fans on their forum claim it was down by his side! Cheating barsteward.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 58 - 70
LongEatonMariner
May 21, 2015, 11:26am
Fine Wine Drinker
Posts: 1,497
Posts Per Day: 0.25
Reputation: 71.11%
Rep Score: +12 / -6
Approval: +1,037
Gold Stars: 1
Quoted from ska face
Everyone sitting comfortably? Calm? Have a go on this then -

https://www.facebook.com/roy.charlton.14/videos/1638698116341626/


I'm fewmin m8.

Merely confirms my suspicion at the time that Joyce is a gutless bottle job and he's cost us. Big time. AGAIN.

The ball is going in. The defender is never getting anywhere close. Puddy's deliberately handled outside his area. There's no choice to be made. He has to go.


Thanks for that Ska Face, cheered me up no end!

Terrible injustice but we can affect the past, only the future. Let's not leave it until that late to get promotion next season!
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 59 - 70
Hagrid
May 21, 2015, 12:04pm

Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 11,871
Posts Per Day: 2.79
Reputation: 71.14%
Rep Score: +49 / -21
Approval: +19,987
Gold Stars: 507
Joyce you illegitimate. if you ever have to ref at BP again, i hope you are given Hell. Furious 😡😡
Logged Online
Private Message
Reply: 60 - 70
timmo
May 21, 2015, 12:59pm
Beer Drinker
Posts: 165
Posts Per Day: 0.03
Reputation: 77.57%
Rep Score: +6 / -2
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +58
Quoted from Lambretta Mariner


I wouldn't want you refereeing any games I was involved in then.



No doubt I've officiated much higher games than you've been involved with.

That's the beauty of football, it's all opinions.

Timmo
UTM
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 61 - 70
FishOutOfWater
May 21, 2015, 1:28pm
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 12,827
Posts Per Day: 2.15
Reputation: 87.01%
Rep Score: +52 / -7
Location: Goole
Approval: +6,564
Gold Stars: 37
Quoted from ska face
Everyone sitting comfortably? Calm? Have a go on this then -

https://www.facebook.com/roy.charlton.14/videos/1638698116341626/


I'm fewmin m8.

Merely confirms my suspicion at the time that Joyce is a gutless bottle job and he's cost us. Big time. AGAIN.

The ball is going in. The defender is never getting anywhere close. Puddy's deliberately handled outside his area. There's no choice to be made. He has to go.


I'm trying to remember if Joyce consulted his linesman or not - that footage doesn't really make it clear but it should have been something for discussion imho

Joyce was way behind play when the incident occurred but the assistant was more or less in line with things and he flagged immediately he saw Puddy stick out his hand

Standing where he was, he might well have had a good view on the trajectory of Palmers attempt...maybe it would have gone in, maybe it wouldn't have done but without doubt it was headed towards an open goal

The wind or spin might have meant it went wide but looking at the footage no defender would probably have got back so it all hinges on the ball being deliberately handled by Puddy

To my mind, there's no question that it was a goal scoring opportunity and as such "deserved" a red but Joyce seems arbitrarily to have chosen to interpret the situation and the occasion as one and IF what Palmer says he said to him, that he didn't want to spoil the game, he certainly managed to spoil the outcome of our 49 game season  
Logged Offline
Private Message Skype
Reply: 62 - 70
Chrisblor
May 21, 2015, 2:50pm

Elemér Berkessy
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 7,205
Posts Per Day: 1.22
Reputation: 72.75%
Rep Score: +51 / -20
Location: somewhere along the m180
Approval: +8,678
Gold Stars: 229
While Ross Joyce is an absolute male masturbator, I'm not sure posting his e-mail address and phone number (even if they may be in the public domain) is a good idea. If he suddently receives a load of abusive messages it's not going to reflect well on us.


gary jones
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 63 - 70
ginnywings
May 21, 2015, 2:55pm

Recovering Alcoholic
Posts: 28,126
Posts Per Day: 5.05
Reputation: 73.79%
Rep Score: +88 / -32
Approval: +55,972
Gold Stars: 537
Quoted from Chrisblor
While Ross Joyce is an absolute male masturbator, I'm not sure posting his e-mail address and phone number (even if they may be in the public domain) is a good idea. If he suddently receives a load of abusive messages it's not going to reflect well on us.


Agreed. Take it on the chin and move on.

I hope he doesn't come back to BP for a long time as i fear for him if he does.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 64 - 70
Les Brechin
May 21, 2015, 3:11pm

Moderator
Posts: 23,767
Posts Per Day: 4.19
Reputation: 82.43%
Rep Score: +114 / -24
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +12,644
Gold Stars: 168
There's no point dwelling on things. However unfair it seems it's happened and that's the end of it and however long we keep moaning about things, they're not going to order the game to be replayed are they, so lets just move on. Hopefully all the players offered new contracts will sign them and we go again next season. I'm just a little bit concerned that Pearson and Nsiala may have alerted some League 2 clubs to them after their performances last Sunday.


[img]https://news.images.itv.com/image/file/402260/image_update_img.jpg[/img]
OFFICIAL FUNDRAISER FOR THE BRAIN TUMOUR CHARITY
TOTAL AMOUNT RAISED SINCE AUGUST 2008 £16613.24


LATEST DONATION - FROM DONATION FROM THE FISHY FORUM - AUG 2023 AMOUNT RAISED £170.00
        
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 65 - 70
headingly_mariner
May 21, 2015, 3:13pm

Vodka Drinker
Posts: 5,755
Posts Per Day: 0.98
Reputation: 64.4%
Rep Score: +34 / -21
Approval: +10,266
Gold Stars: 113
Quoted from Chrisblor
While Ross Joyce is an absolute male masturbator, I'm not sure posting his e-mail address and phone number (even if they may be in the public domain) is a good idea. If he suddently receives a load of abusive messages it's not going to reflect well on us.


probably right, deleted!
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 66 - 70
Abdul19
May 21, 2015, 4:18pm

Season Ticket Holder
Posts: 20,369
Posts Per Day: 3.42
Reputation: 73.77%
Rep Score: +71 / -26
Location: Scarborough
Approval: +17,449
Gold Stars: 213
Quoted from mariner91


Congratulations! You have been promoted to refereeing in the Vanarama Conference. Your fixture list for the coming season will be with you in 4 weeks.


4 weeks?! I think you're giving the bloke in his shed a bit too much credit there!


JESUS AT THE CENTRE
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 67 - 70
topuphere666
May 22, 2015, 7:43am
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 6,516
Posts Per Day: 1.19
Reputation: 77.96%
Rep Score: +24 / -7
Approval: +1,843
Gold Stars: 3
Quoted from timmo


No doubt I've officiated much higher games than you've been involved with.

That's the beauty of football, it's all opinions.

Timmo
UTM

J

Willy waving at its finest.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 68 - 70
Theimperialcoroner
May 22, 2015, 9:27am

Moderator
Posts: 6,256
Posts Per Day: 1.05
Reputation: 91.79%
Rep Score: +47 / -3
Location: Little hale
Approval: +5,088
Gold Stars: 93
My dads bigger than your Dad.

Talking of willy waving, as a consequence of my own reffing career, I've seen David Platt naked.


Batch, Crombie, Moore K, Wiggington, Cumming, Waters, Bonnyman, Ford, Emson, Drinkell, Whymark. Love you all, You are the reason I'm on here. You've had help from Todd, Handyside, Futcher P, Groves, Mendonca, Macca etc etc etc. Up The Mariners!!!!!!!!!
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 69 - 70
ska face
May 22, 2015, 9:54am

Vodka Drinker
Posts: 7,146
Posts Per Day: 1.21
Reputation: 80.94%
Rep Score: +60 / -14
Approval: +21,342
Gold Stars: 820
The lad off Coronation Street?
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 70 - 70
8 Pages 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 All Recommend Thread
Print

Fishy Forum Fishy Boards Archive › THAT decision......

Back to top of page

This is not an official forum of Grimsby Town Football Club, the opinions expressed are those of the individual authors. If you see an offensive post then click "Report" on the relevant post. Posts will be deleted at the discretion of the moderators whose decision is final. Posts should abide by the Forum Rules. IP addresses of contributors together with dates and times of access are stored. The opinions and viewpoints expressed by contributors to The Fishy are their own and not necessarily those of The Fishy. The Fishy makes no claims that information dispersed through this forum is accurate or reliable. Also The Fishy cannot be held liable for any statements made by contributors of The Fishy.