THAT decision......

Quoted from gobby

I felt Puddy should have walked for DOGSO. Macca did make contact with Taylor's ankle and if the player had gone down with less drama he may have got the penalty. But the handball in the second half for a penalty for Town that Joyce clearly saw but waved away was just as bad as the keepers handball. 3 bad decisions in a game of this magnitude for me results in a bad day at the office for Joyce. Saying that from the stands and in real time it looked like he had a decent game, unfortunately TV and replays say different.
UTMM

Agree with everything you say, but I would also suggest that Taylor should have had TWO YELLOWS the horrible little cheating Tw@t!

Quoted from timmo

Agreed, as a qualified ref completing 100's of games, the quote which is confusing me is if a keeper handles it outside the box he is dismissed regardless...

Personally I don't think he should have been sent off... I haven't seen it back or seen the incident other than 100yards away. I thought Mr Joyce had a good game.

Timmo
UTM

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Quoted from Rodley Mariner

He didn't deny a clear goal scoring opportunity - Palmer had got his shot off. The question therefore is did he deny a goal and I haven't seen a camera angle which answers that. If Joyce wasn't sure it was on target then he could only really give a yellow. Ultimately it doesn't really matter sadly.

If that is the case, then yes, i agree it was a yellow. If it's unclear whether it was a DOGSO or not, i guess on that basis, he was correct.

Why then say what he said?

As you point out, doesn't matter now.

Quoted from ginnywings

If that is the case, then yes, i agree it was a yellow. If it's unclear whether it was a DOGSO or not, i guess on that basis, he was correct.

Why then say what he said?

As you point out, doesn't matter now.

If he did say what Palmer says then it puts a different spin on it. Discounting that for me it can't be DOGSO as he'd had his shot. If he went to round him and he handled it that would be DOGSO. So it can only be red if it was denying a goal and how could he be sure it's on target? Only my take on it though and am clearly in a minority!

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

If he did say what Palmer says then it puts a different spin on it. Discounting that for me it can't be DOGSO as he'd had his shot. If he went to round him and he handled it that would be DOGSO. So it can only be red if it was denying a goal and how could he be sure it's on target? Only my take on it though and am clearly in a minority!

If the situation had been slightly different and the last man in that position had been an outfield player, would you not consider that DOGSO then? Let's say the keeper has rushed out and is no longer in goal (don't know why but he has) and an outfield player stops a shot with his hand, the fact he's had the shot is irrelevant, the shot was the goal scoring opportunity as there was nobody left after the defender to stop it and the player has prevented it by using his arm. In the same sense, the keeper had stopped the ball illegally with his hand and there was nobody to block the shot after him so he has denied the goal scoring opportunity therefore it's a red card. Whether or not it was on target is irrelevant really, it's still denied the goal scoring opportunity by using his hand outside his area.

The keeper came rushing out of his area and deliberately saved the shot with his hand - it didn't just hit him, he actively had his arms spread out trying to make the save.

If the keeper obviously thought it was a goalscoring opportunity, perhaps the referee should have taken that into account?

Next season in the Premiershite/Champions League, I guarantee we'll see footage of a few occasions where the keeper receives his marching orders in a similar situation, most of them probably even less blatant than Puddy's offence.

I thought at the time that the ref for remembering the (unfair) abuse that Howard Webb got in the Spain v  Holland Word Cup Final.

Holland were just dirty and Webb had no alternative but to take the repeated disciplinary action that he took.  He was strong enough to do so and followed the laws of football.

The unfair criticism from somequarters related to the fact that he "allegedly" ruined a showpiece final in forn a world-wide audience,  Holland did that.

Mr Joyce did not follow the laws of football, neither was he a strong ref.  His "comments" about not wanting to spoil the game "may" have been wrongly influenced by adverse reaction to Howard Webb taking a tough line.  Who knows with a NL ref?

Everyone sitting comfortably? Calm? Have a go on this then -

https://www.facebook.com/roy.charlton.14/videos/1638698116341626/


I'm fewmin m8.

Merely confirms my suspicion at the time that Joyce is a gutless bottle job and he's cost us. Big time. AGAIN.

The ball is going in. The defender is never getting anywhere close. Puddy's deliberately handled outside his area. There's no choice to be made. He has to go.

Jesus, it's worse than I thought, didn't realise his arm had come that far out. Saw some BR fans on their forum claim it was down by his side! Cheating barsteward.

Quoted from ska face

Everyone sitting comfortably? Calm? Have a go on this then -

https://www.facebook.com/roy.charlton.14/videos/1638698116341626/


I'm fewmin m8.

Merely confirms my suspicion at the time that Joyce is a gutless bottle job and he's cost us. Big time. AGAIN.

The ball is going in. The defender is never getting anywhere close. Puddy's deliberately handled outside his area. There's no choice to be made. He has to go.

Thanks for that Ska Face, cheered me up no end!

Terrible injustice but we can affect the past, only the future. Let's not leave it until that late to get promotion next season!