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cmackenzie4
March 15, 2015, 10:05pm

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Why didn't he being Brown on? Why sign him and put him in the squad if you don't trust him to go on and play?! I just don't understand Hurst. Just like McLaughlin, it's a waste of 2 far superior footballers - to bring on a loanee playing out of position.


I've been saying this for months mate, why sign players yet doesn't  play them.


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There were FOUR minutes(ish) between the substitution and their first goal. During that four minutes there wasn't a spell of concerted Chester pressure. When you take into account the fact that they were by then losing 2-0 and had nothing to lose by attacking-especially with two fresh subs of their own the argument doesn't hold water for me.



As I mentioned elsewhere, Hurst has made this substitution twice in consecutive away games for a total of 25 minutes and we have conceded three goals, only God knows why you cannot accept he made an error when all the journalists, 99% of Town fans and some Chester fans can see that he did.
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Why didn't he being Brown on? Why sign him and put him in the squad if you don't trust him to go on and play?! I just don't understand Hurst. Just like McLaughlin, it's a waste of 2 far superior footballers - to bring on a loanee playing out of position.


This is what infuriates me about Hurst. Paddy and Scott Brown are infinitely better footballers than Parslow, who is a mediocre defender, never mind a midfielder. Two signed players, one on the bench and the other loaned out to Harrogate, yet he plays an on loan, very average player out of position in the heart of the team.
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And did Parslow contribute anything at all? Was it worth it? Did it work? No, no and no. In fact, he barely touched the ball. We didn't gain or retain any posession in midfield, we left our striker isolated and the the rest of the team imbalanced, and completely handed them the impetus. Utterly needless, small-thinking, over cautious, unimaginative, gutless, reactive waste of time and points. And probably very costly indeed.


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Quoted from ska face
Interesting to see GrimRob's use of chess analogies, without realising his own striking resemblance to Deep Blue.

Utterly mechanical, reducing the sport to a series of equations, spreadsheets, stats and percentages.

Sorry Rob, but football isn't a flipping equation - there's no way of quantifying the influence of 1000 away fans cheering a team on, you can't put a figure on the emotional impact of having a striker removed for no good reason and you certainly can't reduce the value of momentum to a percentage.


I never made the chess analogy someone else did. I just thought their analogy was wrong so I gave a better one.

As it happens my own models of football that I have built do take into account the size and the influence of the away crowd. It is one of the most important factors in most leagues (MLS the only exception I can think of).

I think the striker in question had to go off, he couldn't last 90 minutes. it's just the question of whether the best replacement was made. I have nothing against the principle of a defensive subsitution, you'll see it most nights on TV if you watch live games. PH obviously thinks so because he said he would do the same again. We don't concede many late goals and generally can defend leads much better than Town teams from the past so PH has on most occasions made the right choices.


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As it happens my own models of football that I have built...


Says it all.

There is only one model of football - 22 blokes kicking a flipping bag of wind about on a patch of grass.

You stick to heat maps pal.
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I've been saying this for months mate, why sign players yet doesn't  play them.


We all know Hurst has his favourites,

Parslow is always 1st to come on as sub when Hurst wants us to hold on to a lead,

He makes this move with 15 to 20 mins remaining,

Yet when he brings a striker on to change a game,

The poor sod  normally gets about 3-5 mins to do a job.

If Hurst reversed this strategy we would have a few more points imo.


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As I mentioned elsewhere, Hurst has made this substitution twice in consecutive away games for a total of 25 minutes and we have conceded three goals, only God knows why you cannot accept he made an error when all the journalists, 99% of Town fans and some Chester fans can see that he did.


If you are going to quote me then I'd prefer it if you didn't quote posts in isolation. The point I was making was in direct response to FOOW point in the post I quoted. You didn't seem to think it was necessary to quote the post where I said I'd have preferred to see Brown in there but that doesn't really help you does it?

Are you a politician?


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And did Parslow contribute anything at all? Was it worth it? Did it work? No, no and no. In fact, he barely touched the ball. We didn't gain or retain any posession in midfield, we left our striker isolated and the the rest of the team imbalanced, and completely handed them the impetus. Utterly needless, small-thinking, over cautious, unimaginative, gutless, reactive waste of time and points. And probably very costly indeed.


Were you actually there or are you going off what was on the radio commentary? I ask because you don't seem to put an end on the time that we left our striker "isolated". For those looking for some acceptance from Hurst that he made a mistake then the introduction of Jolley (probably too late but there you go) is all the evidence you need. They might have created a couple of gilt edged chances in the last few minutes but I counted at least 5 Town efforts that were blocked-none of which came from the boot of our "isolated" striker. Neither were they the result of some big boot out of defence or from the keeper. That Clay and Disley were heavily involved in them suggests we actually did gain some possession in midfield. Even their match report which is amusingly headlined "We got the point we deserved" or some such words recognises that we had more chances to win the game late on.


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