Clarke Carlise

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You hide behind a keyboard and type that Drivel.

I have sympathy for his depression but it is a very selfish thing to involve vehicles on a road. I recall a driver doing the same thing on the M180 a few years ago and ploughing into a family devastating them killing the dad and leaving at least one child with life changing injuries. If you are to attempt your life there are many ways that don't involve the lives of others. Hope he gets the help but not impressed in any way with his actions.

Quoted from AlanPoutonsTackle

I have sympathy for his depression but it is a very selfish thing to involve vehicles on a road. I recall a driver doing the same thing on the M180 a few years ago and ploughing into a family devastating them killing the dad and leaving at least one child with life changing injuries. If you are to attempt your life there are many ways that don't involve the lives of others. Hope he gets the help but not impressed in any way with his actions.

A rational and reasonable person would not involve another person in their suicide, but suicide is not the act of a rational and reasonable individual. As I said earlier mental illness deprives individuals of  their decision making capacity. This is why we often section people when their decision making  becomes severely compromised. Calling Carlisle selfish, is deluded. He isn't acting selfishly in this incidence because he doesn't have the capacity to make selfish decisions. He decision making is compromised to such an extent that he is unable to weigh issues and empathise with others while he is this type of mental state.

It's really important we don't judge people who have mental illnesses while they are displaying problematic behaviour. It is not their fault.

Quoted from horsforthmariner

It's really important we don't judge people who have mental illnesses while they are displaying problematic behaviour. It is not their fault.

I sort of agree, but only to a point. You can't be absolved of all blame for everything you subsequently do wrong in life just because you were diagnosed with depression. Continually drink driving is a terrible crime and I hope he is punished.

Quoted from psgmariner

I sort of agree, but only to a point. You can't be absolved of all blame for everything you subsequently do wrong in life just because you were diagnosed with depression. Continually drink driving is a terrible crime and I hope he is punished.

From someone who suffers this dreadful illness, I can understand what went through Clarkes mind at the time,

When you are in that dark place you have no  control over your actions so to say he should not do this or do that is just impossible,

He will be charge with drunk driving because being depressed is no excuse, even though he was suffering at the time.

Suprised to read this.Hope he recovers and never gets to that dark place ever again

Quoted from psgmariner

I sort of agree, but only to a point. You can't be absolved of all blame for everything you subsequently do wrong in life just because you were diagnosed with depression. Continually drink driving is a terrible crime and I hope he is punished.

In terms of the law, mental health issues can lead to an:
An acquittal in certain circumstances.
A mitigating factor in sentencing.

Maybe "judge" was the wrong word - treat sympathetically would probably be a better word. Capacity is the key issue, in terms of this how "able" was Carlisle to make an informed decision. It isn't black and white, it's more of a sliding scale. I'm not saying that Clarke should be "let off" because of depression ( a term I don't like as it implies that someone's "just a bit down" ) but rather that punishing him overly would be cruel.

We lock up far too many people with mental health issues every year. If we offered them proper mental health services then we could cut crime and ease the taxpayers burden. But then the Daily Mail would have a S**tfit, so that wouldn't be allowed.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

Now here is a bloke with real problems ... He's obviously in a very dark place and deserves a lot of sympathy and help . Can't help thinking he'll get his wish sooner or later tho .

Who you talking about ,Bruce?

Quoted from grimsby pete

From someone who suffers this dreadful illness, I can understand what went through Clarkes mind at the time,

When you are in that dark place you have no  control over your actions so to say he should not do this or do that is just impossible,

He will be charge with drunk driving because being depressed is no excuse, even though he was suffering at the time.

psg: it isn't about blame.
grimsby pete, you have my sympathy, depression is rampant and pretty ferkin cruel, no prisoners. i salute you, you have been honest knowing what might come in this forum. i am left with this, opinions are like bottom holes, everyone has one (adendum: new facts come to light. imperforate anus, no opening or blocked opening of the anus), but the point still remains: our democratic belief means we give the right to people to speak shyte, and i will fight for that. whateever happened with Clarke, no doubt the results are no picnic to get over. If any member of this forum has been responsible for a similar tragedy and wants t speak up, you should do it now and keep the talking going instead of the judging.......

Quoted from horsforthmariner

A rational and reasonable person would not involve another person in their suicide, but suicide is not the act of a rational and reasonable individual. As I said earlier mental illness deprives individuals of  their decision making capacity. This is why we often section people when their decision making  becomes severely compromised. Calling Carlisle selfish, is deluded. He isn't acting selfishly in this incidence because he doesn't have the capacity to make selfish decisions. He decision making is compromised to such an extent that he is unable to weigh issues and empathise with others while he is this type of mental state.

It's really important we don't judge people who have mental illnesses while they are displaying problematic behaviour. It is not their fault.

Really? Not capable of decision making. Even with mental health issues you certainly have a decision making process ability. He doesn't have severe learning difficulties. If lee Hughes had been depressed at the time of his incident and he may or may not have been, would that have been enough for the court to have let him off. Carlisle had allegedly been drink driving recently before this incident. On that basis he could have been drinking before this one. That would have affected his decision making. I have a lot of sympathy for depression and have experienced it over the years in  people I have known. I can assure you that I have never met anyone who could not have made a rational decision not to involve other vehicles on the road.