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This all seems very odd.

If PH was not in for Jolley as he says, why did he not say so days ago when the speculation began? He must have known that many supporters were being misled by all the links yet he said nothing about it until last night.

Apart from being a slight to fans who are genuinely interested in who the next signing would be, what motive could the manager have? Hurst was the one who started the ball rolling remember with his 'L2 player who didn't know he could go' lark.

So, is it a blind while he looks for someone else?
Is it a lie and Jolley was the one all along?
Is it just that the manager couldn't care less what the fans think or speculate about?

Over to you, Sherlock.


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Suspect it was Jolley, who Hurst probably thought was on his way. His agent probably did a ring round and found out there was more interest and that he could probably command a higher wage and thus he's mulling his options.

May still end up here but Hurst is hedging his bets.
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As i understand it, we have enquired about Jolley before and i can't imagine PH has not sussed the situation regarding him, despite what he said last night. With all the Gateshead to-ing and fro-ing, he probably hasn't had much time to sort anything with himself and JF going up and down the A1 all week.

Mr Hurst is very inscrutable and i think Jolley is the target. Whether we get him remains to be seen.
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All I can recall Hurst saying was about the League two player who didnt know he was available. That description doesnt sound like Jolley because he has been available most of the season on loan, and prior to Hursts comments, for transfer.

I am quite happy that nothing much is given away until deals are completed. yes, all fans like to speculate  but do your business under the radar and announce when complete.
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makes it more odd when BBC humberside tweeted that jolley was set to sign for us !


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I have said it before and I will say it again,

I hate it when managers come out and say we are looking at or after x y or z,

I would rather the manager just says,

WE HAVE SIGNED HIM.!!!!!!


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After the whole 'hairs on the back of the neck' rubbish from the summer, I would've hoped the club had learnt their lesson not to build up fans hopes. Not exactly great for fan morale when yet again it starts to look like we're missing out on yet another forward.

Don't say anything, until the signing is complete.
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I understand the point BC, but the club don't help themselves in some of their statements (or leaks) implying that exciting signings are imminent, and the nothing materialises. As you say, perhaps they should keep quiet, do the business discretely and then announce details when deals are done.


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Quoted from chaos33
I understand the point BC, but the club don't help themselves in some of their statements (or leaks) implying that exciting signings are imminent, and the nothing materialises. As you say, perhaps they should keep quiet, do the business discretely and then announce details when deals are done.


I think that's the main point. The club initiated the business in the first place, not the supporters. So the club was trying to gee up the fans. Then while the fans are busy playing 'guess the striker' the whole thing goes pear shaped and not for the first time.

It would be far better if as far as possible we went back to the days when a player was signed and then it was made public. That will never work 100% but it beats this up and down speculating prompted by leaks and statements by the club.

For us fans I would repeat what I said on another thread - don't believe a word about a signing until you see the player sitting on the bench.



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Why is it curious? Radio Humberside built it up and got us all excited but they need to hold their hands up and say they got it wrong. Why do supporters think that it is written on stone when they come out with these ridiculous rumors? Paul Hurst had 'made a bid' for a League 2 player and the offer was accepted by his club. If it was Jolley then why would Newport, after they had received a money offer for him, decide to pay up his contract?
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Quoted from BPMariner
Why is it curious? Radio Humberside built it up and got us all excited but they need to hold their hands up and say they got it wrong. Why do supporters think that it is written on stone when they come out with these ridiculous rumors? Paul Hurst had 'made a bid' for a League 2 player and the offer was accepted by his club. If it was Jolley then why would Newport, after they had received a money offer for him, decide to pay up his contract?


I agree, i think the telegraph and BBC humberside has led us a bit of a merry dance.


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I just want to see a signing to be honest
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Maybe PH lets everyone think he is going to sign CJ when he's actually going for someone else who it wants it to be quiet is available.


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The club/manager doesn't have to come out and tell us everything about transfer targets and deals. Yes we'd all like to know and it's natural to speculate and try to second-guess who a potential signing might be. But you can't expect Hurst to publicly announce he's after, interested in, or is in negotiations with player x. This could end up costing the club more money from a selling club, in the players contract or just cause potential embarrassment /negativity if the player doesn't sign.

This club is no different to other in that it is in the best interests of the club to keep info like this in-house.


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Is it possible that we were in for Jolley but now with the Aswad situation were looking for a full back and we can't afford both.

I'm only speculating though!
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This all seems very odd.

If PH was not in for Jolley as he says, why did he not say so days ago when the speculation began? He must have known that many supporters were being misled by all the links yet he said nothing about it until last night.

Apart from being a slight to fans who are genuinely interested in who the next signing would be, what motive could the manager have? Hurst was the one who started the ball rolling remember with his 'L2 player who didn't know he could go' lark.

So, is it a blind while he looks for someone else?
Is it a lie and Jolley was the one all along?
Is it just that the manager couldn't care less what the fans think or speculate about?

Over to you, Sherlock.


I cannot help thinking that if it was/is Jolley, its another case of signing someone two or three years too late.

If only for once we could send a message to our rivals and sign someone (for this very low level) who is actually coming to the peak of his powers.

We can but dream...
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RH tweets are just based on speculation, probably garnered from this site. They saw Jolley released and put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5. Because it's RH, some give it more validity, but they only know as much as we do.

I suspect the club put into the public domain that we were chasing a league 2 player to cheer up the fans after a disastrous home Xmas showing and now it has backfired as all the other " we are actively seeking exciting players" statements have.

What happened to this new coach with his massive list of footballing contacts that was bandied about? It has yielded Hamish Watson so far.
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I would rather we put all our efforts into keeping Ollie till end off season and signing a new left back.if jolley chasing the big pay day with four or five other clubs let him go his record ain't that good.


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Tend to agree with the above post. Do we really need him? Can't say I'm bothered either way on this one.
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Quoted from ginnywings
RH tweets are just based on speculation, probably garnered from this site. They saw Jolley released and put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5. Because it's RH, some give it more validity, but they only know as much as we do.

I suspect the club put into the public domain that we were chasing a league 2 player to cheer up the fans after a disastrous home Xmas showing and now it has backfired as all the other " we are actively seeking exciting players" statements have.

What happened to this new coach with his massive list of footballing contacts that was bandied about? It has yielded Hamish Watson so far.


And he was definitely worth signing!


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It seems a bit funny to me , That quite a few times hurst and co have been under stress over bad times and results, a new target player to take the heat off them seems to pop up, Good way of distracting the fans away from the real problem .
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It seems a bit funny to me , That quite a few times hurst and co have been under stress over bad times and results, a new target player to take the heat off them seems to pop up, Good way of distracting the fans away from the real problem .


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If we can find a LB as good as Magnay, we will be sorted. This means both full backs get up and down the pitch, it means the wide men have to support the FBs less, but most importantly it means we have a balanced side.
We'd all like to see a midfield enforcer and a 30 goal striker, but balance and people playing in their natural positions is more important imo.


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It seems a bit funny to me , That quite a few times hurst and co have been under stress over bad times and results, a new target player to take the heat off them seems to pop up, Good way of distracting the fans away from the real problem .


hmmm - think you're making a great point there denni. shame others on here are trying to belittle you.





btw would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on the shooting of jfk, the moon landings and the 9/11 attacks..........
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hmmm - think you're making a great point there denni. shame others on here are trying to belittle you.





btw would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on the shooting of jfk, the moon landings and the 9/11 attacks..........


Are you inferring Mr Hurst or Mr Fenty or both had something to do with them?
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Are you inferring Mr Hurst or Mr Fenty or both had something to do with them?


Hurst must have something to do with the moon landings.
That would explain the lack of atmosphere 😉😀😀


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Hurst must have something to do with the moon landings.
That would explain the lack of atmosphere 😉😀😀


Some on here argue he plays the 911 formation especially at home.
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