Ched Evans saga.........

Quoted from Chrisblor

FFS no, Clayton Macdonald did not do exactly the same as Ched Evans. He met the girl two hours earlier and the court ruled he may have reasonably believed the girl consented to sexual activity with him considering the circumstances in which they met and traveled to the hotel together. This explains why Clayton Macdonald wasn't found guilty of rape. Ched Evans sneaked into the hotel and started carrying out sexual activities with a girl who was too drunk to consent while his friends covertly filmed everything through the window. This distinction is why Evans was found guilty of rape.

Clayton Macdonald was rather sordid, but didn't do anything unlawful. This is why he 'got away with it'. Ched Evans on the other hand thinks it's totally fine to sneak into a hotel and start having sex with someone who is in no fit state to consent. That is rape, morally reprehensible and why I want him nowhear near our club.

I'm frankly disgusted to see that at the time of this post, 240 complete idiots have signed a petition asking gtfc to sign him. I hope their mothers and sisters are happy with them.

There are a fair proportion of women signing the petition on the basis that 'he will fire us out of this league'.

It is interesting to see the level at which some people are willing to compromise their morals so easily.

Just forgetting about his conviction for the minute, what most people seem to be forgetting is that he hasn't played a competitive game in almost 3 years. A lot of people think he'll just walk back into the game and be the same player that he was before his conviction. I'm sure he's kept himself fit whilst he's been inside but having had no matchtime for so long is no doubt going to have a bearing on his performances and he'll probably be a shadow of the player he was for the first few months, whilst he gets himself match fit.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Ched Evans on the other hand thinks it's totally fine to sneak into a hotel and start having sex with someone who is in no fit state to consent. That is rape, morally reprehensible and why I want him nowhear near our club.

I'm frankly disgusted to see that at the time of this post, 240 complete idiots have signed a petition asking gtfc to sign him. I hope their mothers and sisters are happy with them.

Yes, it was a morally reprehensible and serious criminal act for which he has been tried, convicted and punished by law. He has various caveats attached to his current freedom but essentially the law says he is now allowed to work again. Perhaps those "idiots" believe in the principal of rehabilitation & second chances and the rule of law? That is emphatically NOT the same as condoning the crime.

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

Yes, it was a morally reprehensible and serious criminal act for which he has been tried, convicted and punished by law. He has various caveats attached to his current freedom but essentially the law says he is now allowed to work again. Perhaps those "idiots" believe in the principal of rehabilitation & second chances and the rule of law? That is emphatically NOT the same as condoning the crime.

Spot on! I was going to comment that there seems to be an accusation that if you at all doubt how guilty Ched Evans is, or if he should be allowed back into football you are saying that it is ok to commit rape.  This is such a false dichotomy, I abhor rape as I am sure everyone discussing this topic does.  

I am not willing to sacrafice my morals for Grimsby to get out of this league.  However I am willing to forgive crimes and allow people who have made mistakes a chance to redeem themselves.  I reject the notion that I have no morals simply because I have a different moral viewpoint to someonelse.  (Btw I have not signed the petition and doubt I will but just think calling anyone that has immoral is very unfair)

Quoted from psgmariner

If there is one man in the UK who knows the intricacies of the British criminal justice system and employment law it is surely ex footballer and fat dinner lady Steve Bruce.

Finally on one of these threads somebody makes a point upon which we can all agree.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Ched Evans sneaked into the hotel and started carrying out sexual activities with a girl who was too drunk to consent while his friends covertly filmed everything through the window. This distinction is why Evans was found guilty of rape.

Maybe ask her why she asked him to "lick her out" then?

It's all there, I suggest everyone read it and then make their mind up whether he really is guilty or not >> [url=http://chedevans.com/key-and-undisputed-facts]http://chedevans.com/key-and-undisputed-facts[/url]

Quoted from psgmariner

I see where you are coming from but if you are going to examine the moral fibre of every Town player there is a very long list of people who have done bad things and then gone on to play for us without any of this moral outrage.

We have had players with criminal convictions (most recently Gary Croft, Liam Hearn and Scott Neilson) and we have also had players involved in sickening episodes in which they have escaped guilty verdicts (Clayton McDonald and Terrel Forbes spring to mind). I know none of these lot were convicted of rape but all have a questionable past.

If you believe Ched should not be allowed another chance how come they were?

I see where you are coming from too. It's a really complicated issue. McDonald and Forbes were found innocent so I don't think a comparison is fair. Re the others I guess it can only be how serious you consider the crime which is emotive and complex. It's why I've asked numerous times if those in the 'he's out, let him resume his career' camp would say the same if we signed a released paedophile. If no then it can only be that they consider one offence worse than the other. Only Mariner91 has ever replied to the point and did so very even-handedly.

I don't think he should never play football again but I'm pleased we won't sign him. I think committing rape should have a negative impact on the offenders life and I certainly struggle to understand those who seem so sympathetic to his plight. At the same time I find the mob rule distasteful and I understand that it probably is in societies best interests if offenders gain employment once able to. Complicated stuff but like I say I won't lose any sleep worrying about him. If I got imprisoned for rape I'm pretty confident I wouldn't stroll back into my old job at the same level and salary and I'm also pretty sure that quite rightly no one would care.

Looks like their is a petition for him to sign for Grimsby Town >> [url=https://www.change.org/p/ched-evans-let-him-play-for-grimsby-town-fc]https://www.change.org/p/ched-evans-let-him-play-for-grimsby-town-fc[/url]

Can someone please tell me what line of work he should now pursue?? People are saying he shouldn't be a pro due to being in the public eye but working in tesco is going to bring him the same level of attention - if not more.

if he doesn't find a way back into the game he will find it hard to work anywhere in the future.

There is a petition going round to sign ched Evans. Not sure when it started but is currently on 350 ish signatures.