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MrsMariner
January 8, 2015, 3:20pm

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This is a difficult moral issue which clearly divides opinion and as such there is too much "baggage" linked with signing the guy and the hassle is not worth it. As a player he will be in the public eye and the press spotlight. Perhaps he should have thought about the effect on his career and the woman in question on that fateful night. As a former professional footballer recently told me. young footballers do not need to rape women to have a sexual relationship with someone. I hear the other side of the argument about doing the time, but he hasn't yet, he is only out of prison on licence having served half the time, he has shown no remorse either. He needs to adopt a low profile for at least another 2.5 years, which he should use to retrain in another career. Maybe he could serve society by doing something which might prevent other young men committing a similar offence.


Exactly, which backs up his not guilty claim, which is why he has not apologised, therefore showing no remorse.
His victim apparently wasn't capable of saying yes or no which doesn't excuse what he did, but is why he claims to be not guilty.
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To be fair I have some sympathy for Ched on this issue.  

For a start the rape is hotly disputed, it was a druken night out with 2 footballer acting very cocky and being generally horrible people no doubt, but both Clayton MacDonald and Ched Evans believe she gave her consent.  I have had sex with drunk girls before and I can imagine myself being horrified if the next day they claimed they couldn't remember anything about our encouter and I was accused of rape.  

The fact that Clayton MacDonald was cleared of raping the same girl on the same night but Ched Evans was found guilty also seems very frustrating.  

Now he is hounded out of potential football roles because of something he seems to honestly believe he is innocent of.  That must be so frustrating.

However if we take the presumption of his guilt then I still feel he has a right to move on.  The fact that your career is glamorous is irrelevant.  Sean Penn is a foul mouthed wife-beating a******* of the highest order and yet he still works as an actor and I still watch him as I think he is an amazing actor if a horrendous human being.

If Ched Evans has committed that rape he has been punished by the state and if he is to be rehabilitated he needs to be allowed to resume a normal life, that is part of the reason for the early release scheme where Ched Evans has been released early, so he can start to work and reintroduce himself into society before he is fully free again.  I find the hounding of him frustrating as it is people who are trying to assert they have a moral high ground because they do not approve of rape as if people who feel that crimes need to be forgiven are saying rape is not a big deal  That is clearly rubbish, we all think rape is a horrendous crime but punishing him forever is also wrong and we need to move on from this and hope that his behaviour in the future is up to a higher standard, if not then we can condem him again but to consistently condem him now is not justice.
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January 8, 2015, 3:39pm

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The wiki thing mentioning Town has been withdrawn plus previous post ( probably complaint from club or legal issues ).


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January 8, 2015, 3:43pm
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He would fire us out of this league. Served his time for a case full of questionable evidence




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The wiki thing mentioning Town has been withdrawn plus previous post ( probably complaint from club or legal issues ).


Good I don't want  our club associated with a convicted rapist  in any shape or form
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Good Post,

but on the Hughes and Johnson, what about Suarez ?

Suarez has bitten 3? people during a footballing match, he has racially abused a player during a match, yet it is acceptable for him to sign for the biggest club in the world ?

whilst i understand what Suarez did isn't as bad as Evans, Suarez did his live on television on the pitch in front of thousands of kids !!!!


Rooney told the entire TV audience to "F**k off", and regularly kicks opponents for taking the ball off him, he got the England captaincy. Ferdinand used a racist term on a fellow player and was not only let off but given a TV pundits job.
The list goes on, but these players are money-earning objects to those in charge, nothing more, and the  'role model' idea has long since gone down the pan.


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He would fire us out of this league. Served his time for a case full of questionable evidence


I am not sure he could. He has not played for 3 years or so and none of us know his fitness levels. Also after all he has been through is his head right and how would he cope with the constant abuse he would undoubtedly get?
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Exactly, which backs up his not guilty claim, which is why he has not apologised, therefore showing no remorse.
His victim apparently wasn't capable of saying yes or no which doesn't excuse what he did, but is why he claims to be not guilty.


Oh! that's ok then.

I presume she was also incapable of saying yes or no to him getting someone to film the act.
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Oh! that's ok then.

I presume she was also incapable of saying yes or no to him getting someone to film the act.


I wasn't taking any sides I did add that it didn't excuse what he had done
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Well said 91, the role model thing is a nonsense. I didn't spend the 70s trying to be Peter Storey!


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