Ched Evans saga.........

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

But that's a judicial issue. If the sentences handed out to rapists are not severe enough then it's a far bigger issue than Ched Evans. Our courts determined that 2.5 years in prison was an appropriate sentence for his crime. He didn't get away with it. He's been tried, convicted and punished already.

This role model argument is a complete red herring. How many 14 year old boys are thinking "Well if Ched Evans can return to lower league football several years after being convicted of rape then I think I will go out and rape someone"?

It's 5 years and is still an active sentence. He may be out of prison but his sentence is still being served. He could go back to prison at any time without a trial.

Quoted from BIGChris

This did make me smile

Hehe!!

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. He didn't get away with it. He's been tried, convicted and punished already.



I never said he got away with it did I .............................. I just think he should have served the full 5 IMO ................... Also I was more concerned about his poor Victim who know one seems to give a toss about !

It's also worth noting that the reason he's shown no remorse is because he (rightly or wrongly) believes he did not do this - there is an investigation underway. II think he was incredibly stupid to think that having sex with someone who is _unable to say no_ was something acceptable.

So unlike Hughes who has been sickening with his displays and no showing of remorse, there is a logic to Evans's "lack of remorse" - how many of you would apologise for something you didn't think you did?

I'd wait and see until the results of the investigation and then either condemn him rightly or not.

Still Guilty

Fenty and co wont win on this one !

i personally would sign him, but it can work 2 ways.

Sign him, get promoted, 6 months down the line when its gone quiet, someone might spend money on him.

or we could sign him, Pearson, Mckeown, Magnay, Disley not like it and all demand to leave...

Whilst it looks like we wont sign him, i am not bothered either way.

do the crime, do the time, and he has

Quoted from sam gy

Plumbers aren't role models, football players are.

I don't get this argument, I really don't. I saw an article yesterday claiming that young men may be influenced by the actions of a footballer. Well I'm 23, so I guess you would class me as a young man. I can categorically state that I have never been influenced by how footballer's act away from a football pitch, even as a child. I would idolise them in terms of their ability and how they play and would sometimes try to copy that but away from the pitch I couldn't care less. I realise that I am only speaking for myself however, as far as I'm aware there have been no copycat drunken car accidents by Notts County, Oldham or FGR fans since Hughes has played for these teams. I also haven't heard of any Liverpool or Chelsea fans copying Glen Johnson's toilet seat stealing antics. I would be extremely surprised if Ched Evans playing for a particular team meant young people who liked him as a player suddenly believed that his crime is acceptable.

This isn't to take away from the fact that his actions were abhorrent, the actions of people claiming to support him are criminal and disgusting as well. However, he has served the time deemed appropriate for his actions. Whether you agree that the length of time served is appropriate (personally I think rape should get much longer sentences) is immaterial; the law of the land has stated that he has now paid for his crimes. The argument about whether he'd be allowed to be a policeman is also irrelevant. To be a policeman you need a DBS check which he obviously wouldn't pass. And I agree with this, of course there are certain professions that you wouldn't let a convicted rapist anywhere near and rightly so. However, a professional footballer is not one of these. So what we have now is effectively mob rule. The laws of the land do not prohibit him from becoming a footballer again but the baying masses who do not want him to have a job that they believe is desirable are preventing him from doing so. This goes against the justice system employed in this country which follows the order of crime, punishment, rehabilitation. If he is not rehabilitated he is no good to anyone. At least if he plays football again, he will pay taxes and be working, he will contribute taxes instead of taking away benefits. People who are rehabilitated back into society are also less likely to re-offend.

The argument that I saw suggesting that allowing him to play again suggests being talented makes you "untouchable" is also a non starter. He isn't untouchable as he has been punished. He hasn't helped himself with his perceived arrogance since his release which I imagine has made his plight more difficult. Even his apology this afternoon, which seems a little contrived given the circumstances and timing, will not make him a likeable figure. He should have apologised for the ordeal his actions have caused (and hopefully meant it) immediately on release but that ship has sailed. But you don't have to like him and personal opinions on the man himself shouldn't obscure the public's attitude to allowing him to return to his previous profession and being rehabilitated.

Perfectly put Mariner91

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

or we could sign him, Pearson, Mckeown, Magnay, Disley not like it and all demand to leave...

Whilst it looks like we wont sign him, i am not bothered either way.

Not to mention the sponsors.  Do you reckon Youngs would stick around and risk a feminist group organising a boycott Youngs products campaign. We wouldn't see them for dust.

It's definite no from me.

Quoted from mariner91

I don't get this argument, I really don't. I saw an article yesterday claiming that young men may be influenced by the actions of a footballer. Well I'm 23, so I guess you would class me as a young man. I can categorically state that I have never been influenced by how footballer's act away from a football pitch, even as a child. I would idolise them in terms of their ability and how they play and would sometimes try to copy that but away from the pitch I couldn't care less. I realise that I am only speaking for myself however, as far as I'm aware there have been no copycat drunken car accidents by Notts County, Oldham or FGR fans since Hughes has played for these teams. I also haven't heard of any Liverpool or Chelsea fans copying Glen Johnson's toilet seat stealing antics. I would be extremely surprised if Ched Evans playing for a particular team meant young people who liked him as a player suddenly believed that his crime is acceptable.

This isn't to take away from the fact that his actions were abhorrent, the actions of people claiming to support him are criminal and disgusting as well. However, he has served the time deemed appropriate for his actions. Whether you agree that the length of time served is appropriate (personally I think rape should get much longer sentences) is immaterial; the law of the land has stated that he has now paid for his crimes. The argument about whether he'd be allowed to be a policeman is also irrelevant. To be a policeman you need a DBS check which he obviously wouldn't pass. And I agree with this, of course there are certain professions that you wouldn't let a convicted rapist anywhere near and rightly so. However, a professional footballer is not one of these. So what we have now is effectively mob rule. The laws of the land do not prohibit him from becoming a footballer again but the baying masses who do not want him to have a job that they believe is desirable are preventing him from doing so. This goes against the justice system employed in this country which follows the order of crime, punishment, rehabilitation. If he is not rehabilitated he is no good to anyone. At least if he plays football again, he will pay taxes and be working, he will contribute taxes instead of taking away benefits. People who are rehabilitated back into society are also less likely to re-offend.

The argument that I saw suggesting that allowing him to play again suggests being talented makes you "untouchable" is also a non starter. He isn't untouchable as he has been punished. He hasn't helped himself with his perceived arrogance since his release which I imagine has made his plight more difficult. Even his apology this afternoon, which seems a little contrived given the circumstances and timing, will not make him a likeable figure. He should have apologised for the ordeal his actions have caused (and hopefully meant it) immediately on release but that ship has sailed. But you don't have to like him and personal opinions on the man himself shouldn't obscure the public's attitude to allowing him to return to his previous profession and being rehabilitated.

Good Post,

but on the Hughes and Johnson, what about Suarez ?

Suarez has bitten 3? people during a footballing match, he has racially abused a player during a match, yet it is acceptable for him to sign for the biggest club in the world ?

whilst i understand what Suarez did isn't as bad as Evans, Suarez did his live on television on the pitch in front of thousands of kids !!!!