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I know he is out on licence. That is not really the point I'm making. Give it a rest Head Judge, Im just giving an opinion, is that allowed?


Your opinion is valid, your statement isn't. He hasn't "served his sentence" and that is a fact. That is the reason why he wasn't allowed to go abroad.

If he had finished his sentence I would agree with you that he should be allowed to continue his work.

The only issue for me is that he will always carry the baggage of his conviction regardless of whether it is upheld or overturned and that, right or wrong, makes a difference to a lot of people who are in charge of a lot of football clubs. They too are entitled to an opinion.



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Your opinion is valid, your statement isn't. He hasn't "served his sentence" and that is a fact. That is the reason why he wasn't allowed to go abroad.

If he had finished his sentence I would agree with you that he should be allowed to continue his work.

The only issue for me is that he will always carry the baggage of his conviction regardless of whether it is upheld or overturned and that, right or wrong, makes a difference to a lot of people who are in charge of a lot of football clubs. They too are entitled to an opinion.



Barely anybody actually finishes a sentence in prison, it's not just Ched Evans who has been let out after half of his sentence, quite a large proportion of people sentenced actually serve it.

So the justice system have deemed it fit for him to return to work, you, the media or anybody else don't have the right to stop him.
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Barely anybody actually finishes a sentence in prison, it's not just Ched Evans who has been let out after half of his sentence, quite a large proportion of people sentenced actually serve it.

So the justice system have deemed it fit for him to return to work, you, the media or anybody else don't have the right to stop him.


Well Lew, just because a sentence isn't in prison does not mean it isn't a sentence does it? And ...... he hasn't finished his has he?

He can indeed go back to work in the UK, I'm not stopping him! Personally I think he's a prat and I wouldn't be keen on him coming here but it's not for me to say.

My point is that the people who own football clubs are as entitled to their opinion as you and me. It is up to them whether to shell out the cash to employ him or not. It is up to them to judge the reactions of their supporters, friends, families, sponsors and all the rest. It's not for me and thee to tell them how to spend their money is it?

The media is a pain and so is social media. It does lead to mob rule but what can anyone do about that now that there are 3 or more generations fixated on their phones and how many retweets they can get? We can moan about the BBC or the Daily Mail but it won't stop them from what they do. That's the way of the world.





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I'm in 2 minds about it, although I would find the prospect of him playing for us distinctly distasteful.The thought of him picking up a couple of thousand quid a week when his victim's life has been ruined is pretty repugnant. there is also the add on that we have appalling conviction rates for rape; if women see that this is going to be the outcome they are not going to bother going to the police which is a  far higher price for society to pay than 1 convicted rapist being unable to resume his chosen career.
However, as someone pointed out he would not be prevented from entering the House of Lords so why should he not be allowed to continue his trade as a footballer? If he were a plumber or a banker he would be allowed to resume his career so why not as a footballer?
Ah, many of said, because he is a role model to a legion of youngsters. i can see that if he is paying for Man City or Sheff Utd. but the line becomes a bit more blurred when it comes down to the likes of us or Oldham.
Presumably his detractors would not object to him playing for his mates team on a Sunday morning or the local village league? When does it become unacceptable? Louth United in front of 75 fans with him being paid expenses? Gainsborough part time in front of 500? Alfreton part time in front of 1000 etc etc

The other point is that he has been attacked for refusing to apologise. a) i understand he was advised by his legal reps that it would not be in his best interests pending appeals etc and b) why should he apologise if he sincerely believes he is innocent?

a very difficult subject but i think on the balance of probabilities Fenty made the right decision
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Well Lew, just because a sentence isn't in prison does not mean it isn't a sentence does it? And ...... he hasn't finished his has he?

He can indeed go back to work in the UK, I'm not stopping him! Personally I think he's a prat and I wouldn't be keen on him coming here but it's not for me to say.

My point is that the people who own football clubs are as entitled to their opinion as you and me. It is up to them whether to shell out the cash to employ him or not. It is up to them to judge the reactions of their supporters, friends, families, sponsors and all the rest. It's not for me and thee to tell them how to spend their money is it?

The media is a pain and so is social media. It does lead to mob rule but what can anyone do about that now that there are 3 or more generations fixated on their phones and how many retweets they can get? We can moan about the BBC or the Daily Mail but it won't stop them from what they do. That's the way of the world.





The fact is, the majority of Oldham fans surveyed wanted him at the club, the majority of sponsors were happy to continue sponsoring Oldham and the majority of football fans in surveys I've seen believe he should return. But the media didn't report any of that, because it didn't fit in with their campaign. It's alright saying social media is a pain etc, but when the media won't even reflect the views of people it disagrees with, it concerns me slightly.

The owner didn't have a choice in whether he could sign Evans, the one sided media excrement storm decided for him.
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Only 3 people know what happened that night ? What about the 2 filming ?


If there were 2 people filming that were aware of the full circumstances that would have been an aid and abet. So I am discounting them.



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I'm in 2 minds about it, although I would find the prospect of him playing for us distinctly distasteful.The thought of him picking up a couple of thousand quid a week when his victim's life has been ruined is pretty repugnant. there is also the add on that we have appalling conviction rates for rape; if women see that this is going to be the outcome they are not going to bother going to the police which is a  far higher price for society to pay than 1 convicted rapist being unable to resume his chosen career.
However, as someone pointed out he would not be prevented from entering the House of Lords so why should he not be allowed to continue his trade as a footballer? If he were a plumber or a banker he would be allowed to resume his career so why not as a footballer?
Ah, many of said, because he is a role model to a legion of youngsters. i can see that if he is paying for Man City or Sheff Utd. but the line becomes a bit more blurred when it comes down to the likes of us or Oldham.
Presumably his detractors would not object to him playing for his mates team on a Sunday morning or the local village league? When does it become unacceptable? Louth United in front of 75 fans with him being paid expenses? Gainsborough part time in front of 500? Alfreton part time in front of 1000 etc etc

The other point is that he has been attacked for refusing to apologise. a) i understand he was advised by his legal reps that it would not be in his best interests pending appeals etc and b) why should he apologise if he sincerely believes he is innocent?

a very difficult subject but i think on the balance of probabilities Fenty made the right decision



Her old twitter account which she deleted suggests that her life is far from ruined, the pink mini and the holidays abroad for her and her friends (which she's paying for with her "win big money") tells me that she's doing alright!
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I agree that it is a difficult one to sort out and will cause divided opinions.

I wonder what crimes are acceptable in order to carry on in your own profession. Many Politicians carried out crimes in the expenses scandal but continue to ply their trade. Bankers committed horrendous crimes on the public/taxpayer, but again are allowed to carry on regardless.

I am in the camp of him being allowed to play. He has served his sentence and hopefully has been rehabilitated. I cannot see him doing anything like it again, if he has half a brain.


Hear hear.

Not forgetting the three killers who are allowed to still play football.


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I'm in 2 minds about it, although I would find the prospect of him playing for us distinctly distasteful.The thought of him picking up a couple of thousand quid a week when his victim's life has been ruined is pretty repugnant. there is also the add on that we have appalling conviction rates for rape; if women see that this is going to be the outcome they are not going to bother going to the police which is a  far higher price for society to pay than 1 convicted rapist being unable to resume his chosen career.
However, as someone pointed out he would not be prevented from entering the House of Lords so why should he not be allowed to continue his trade as a footballer? If he were a plumber or a banker he would be allowed to resume his career so why not as a footballer?
Ah, many of said, because he is a role model to a legion of youngsters. i can see that if he is paying for Man City or Sheff Utd. but the line becomes a bit more blurred when it comes down to the likes of us or Oldham.
Presumably his detractors would not object to him playing for his mates team on a Sunday morning or the local village league? When does it become unacceptable? Louth United in front of 75 fans with him being paid expenses? Gainsborough part time in front of 500? Alfreton part time in front of 1000 etc etc

The other point is that he has been attacked for refusing to apologise. a) i understand he was advised by his legal reps that it would not be in his best interests pending appeals etc and b) why should he apologise if he sincerely believes he is innocent?

a very difficult subject but i think on the balance of probabilities Fenty made the right decision


Pretty good summing up IMO.


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Her old twitter account which she deleted suggests that her life is far from ruined, the pink mini and the holidays abroad for her and her friends (which she's paying for with her "win big money") tells me that she's doing alright!


Having been raped, then had your character trashed, then been hounded and stalked forcing her to change addresses on numerous occasions, I don't think treating yourself to a new car and going on holiday is terribly unreasonable
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