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How many Toxic fans do we have, a handful, two handfuls, I call bullshit again, there are no where near the amount of fans people claim on here that make the players under perform and miss key opportunities during the game. Is it the fans fault that PH sets his teams up to cancel out the opposition, it may get you a few wins but it would explain why we aren't convincing and we have very little self belief that PH will get us promoted.
I would love to be proven wrong and PH turns countless home convincing wins whilst guiding us to promotion. What I will say is more likely is that our gates will continue to fall until we are hovering around 2,000 and JF will say the budget has to be cut but there will always be money to bring in players who make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.
The only way to silence critics is to start winning at home and be more convincing, not bleating that someone said something you didn't like.
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I think fans can take a defeat, but we have had too many at home this season. However I think it is more to do with the manner of many of the defeats, when we know that if those on the pitch do the right things, play to their potential then we need not have lost as many as we have. In defeat it is natural to look for reasons and people to blame. That's life I am afraid.
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Excellent point. It is absolute bollox to suggest Town fans get behind players who try their hardest. The treatment of LJL proves this.
Fans DO have to take some responsibility here. It certainly IS a problem and it certainly DOES have an effect on player performance.
LJL got a lot of stick when he was barely scoring because he missed a lot of easy chances that you'd expect a professional footballer to score. Since he's hit a bit of goalscoring form and starred in the club's Christmas video I think supporters have started to appreciate his efforts and I've certainly noticed a lot more praise and less criticism towards him in the stands. Yeah, everyone still groans when he misses chances, but that's human nature and would happen at any club. I'm struggling to think of anyone who has played for us and been on the receiving end of abuse while putting in 100% commitment on the pitch. Even less skilled players like Michael Leary, Bradley Wood and Nick Hegarty have been recognised for their effort. In general, it's players who look lazy and unconcerned on the pitch, regardless of their contribution to the team who typically draw the fiercest abuse from supporters (e.g. Bore, Arnold, Hatton and nearly everyone Mike Newell signed).
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LJL got a lot of stick when he was barely scoring because he missed a lot of easy chances that you'd expect a professional footballer to score. Since he's hit a bit of goalscoring form and starred in the club's Christmas video I think supporters have started to appreciate his efforts and I've certainly noticed a lot more praise and less criticism towards him in the stands. Yeah, everyone still groans when he misses chances, but that's human nature and would happen at any club.
I'm struggling to think of anyone who has played for us and been on the receiving end of abuse while putting in 100% commitment on the pitch. Even less skilled players like Michael Leary, Bradley Wood and Nick Hegarty have been recognised for their effort. In general, it's players who look lazy and unconcerned on the pitch, regardless of their contribution to the team who typically draw the fiercest abuse from supporters (e.g. Bore, Arnold, Hatton and nearly everyone Mike Newell signed).
I've nothing against the bloke personally but do you think he would be as popular as he is and be on a video if he had missed a couple of penalties and not had that little scoring run? He would still be trying hard and the manager would definitely be picking him regardless but I bet the fans would be on his back no matter how much running about the lad did. Wholehearted effort is applauded but a player has to do the job they are paid for as well. Strikers have to score goals. If that stops, so does the applause.
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The missing 3000 can not all be wrong.
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I've nothing against the bloke personally but do you think he would be as popular as he is and be on a video if he had missed a couple of penalties and not had that little scoring run?
He would still be trying hard and the manager would definitely be picking him regardless but I bet the fans would be on his back no matter how much running about the lad did. Wholehearted effort is applauded but a player has to do the job they are paid for as well. Strikers have to score goals. If that stops, so does the applause.
The problem is "the applause stopping" is nuetral, getting on his back isn't, it is negative and counter-productive.
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The missing 3000 can not all be wrong.
How do you work that out? We averaged 3500 last season, 3800 the season before, and before PH came we averaged 3000. This season we are averaging. nearly 3600! A few more bums are actually on seats than they were a year ago, and considerably more than when PH came.
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How do you work that out?
We averaged 3500 last season, 3800 the season before, and before PH came we averaged 3000.
This season we are averaging. nearly 3600! A few more bums are actually on seats than they were a year ago, and considerably more than when PH came.
If the season was over it could be claimed as a gradual improvement but the season isn't over yet Rob, the pendulum hasn't finished swinging
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How do you work that out?
We averaged 3500 last season, 3800 the season before, and before PH came we averaged 3000.
This season we are averaging. nearly 3600! A few more bums are actually on seats than they were a year ago, and considerably more than when PH came.
There you go again Rob-letting the facts get in the way of mythology. If I hadn't turned off my ticks and crosses feature you'd be getting a big, fat cross!
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I think fans can take a defeat, but we have had too many at home this season. However I think it is more to do with the manner of many of the defeats, when we know that if those on the pitch do the right things, play to their potential then we need not have lost as many as we have. In defeat it is natural to look for reasons and people to blame. That's life I am afraid.
I agree, why does Hurst set up the team so defensively at home. To travel all the way from Suffolk to watch a rare home game ( I get to more away games ) To find out Hurst starts the game with one striker, Do you not have any confidence in your team Hurst ? Start the game on the front foot and attack and you will find the fans will get behind the team and you.
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