Good By My Fishy Friends

Dear Fishes.

I have decided to never post or visit the fishy again due to the extreme and unfair interpretations of some of my posts. Not to mention the vile and abuse I endure.

Never once have I blamed the fans for anything.

Like it or not, BP is hostile for the home-side according to some players.

Only yesterday, I'm told by a lady who brought her two children to a recent game, that the swearing and vile behaviour of some around, would stop them from coming again.

These are facts.

I understand the frustrations and passion of fans, as heck I am just another.

Very happy as always to meet any number of you, with other directors as you may wish, to hear your views, concerns and ideas. Accordingly contact Ian Fleming at the club to arrange.

Otherwise, hope to see you all in fine voice with positive passion..

Best wishes John UTM

All the best John. I liked your posts and enjoyed you correcting of the fishy know it alls.

Instead of continuing to blame the fans, why don't persuade your manager and players to come out and play with fire and passion and get the fans behind them.

I have never doubted you as a fan, and therefore you, of all people, should remember how the likes of Cumming, Waters, Boylen, Cockerill, Cunnington and even Pouton roused the crowd with their commitment.

You have to admit that seasons home performances have been poor. You too pay the players wages. Give us pride, passion and commitment and you will the support back in spades.

Bye bye Mr Fake, sorry Fenty!!  

Sorry to hear that John, you've always been pleasant whenever we have met. It's shame that there are those out there and on here, who feel the need to abuse and constantly criticise others.

So long and thanks for all the fish.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Instead of continuing to blame the fans, why don't persuade your manager and players to come out and play with fire and passion and get the fans behind them.

I have never doubted you as a fan, and therefore you, of all people, should remember how the likes of Cumming, Waters, Boylen, Cockerill, Cunnington and even Pouton roused the crowd with their commitment.

You have to admit that seasons home performances have been poor. You too pay the players wages. Give us pride, passion and commitment and you will the support back in spades.

Can you remember when Scott and hurst first came to Grimsby and we played kiddy in a 3-3 draw I think it was and they said after the game that the fans applauded the squad for every tackle and close downing that day. What has changed to that commitment

Quoted from craigy

Can you remember when Scott and hurst first came to Grimsby and we played kiddy in a 3-3 draw I think it was and they said after the game that the fans applauded the squad for every tackle and close downing that day. What has changed to that commitment

We dont tackle and close teams down anymore....

Probably hostile to the players that are stealing a living by playing for our club, that's what it's like to play for a big club (at this level) it's hostile Ya gotta win so tough stop crying & get on with it!!!

Bye.

Wise move could never understand why you would indulge in slanging matches on here it's not good for you the club or the fans. All clubs have fans who vent their feelings ever see the abuse big Sam Alladyce got when he was Newcastles manager. This site is only a fraction of the support at GTFC Just get us back in the league WE ALL WANT THAT.

For what it is worth, you and the players ( I assume it is not all hopefully) need to grow some. I have never heard such rubbish spouted. Football grounds are full of people who vent their frustrations. What do you want us to do Mr Fenty, just sit there and say nothing, or should we break opposing fans flags to show passion. You as an example, don't make me laugh
I have supported Town for almost 50 years, unwaveringly until recently but I have never experienced some of the drivel and PC that is spouted on this site now. I am passionate about my club and always have been, but at the moment it is painful. Hostile home fans?
BTW there is a family stand if people don't like some colourful language. It never did me any harm listening to all the language vented years ago from the pontoon and Barrett stand
I hope somebody, please, can buy you out

Quoted from Getyourfactsright

Dear Fishes.

I have decided to never post or visit the fishy again due to the extreme and unfair interpretations of some of my posts. Not to mention the vile and abuse I endure.

Never once have I blamed the fans for anything.

Like it or not, BP is hostile for the home-side according to some players.

Only yesterday, I'm told by a lady who brought her two children to a recent game, that the swearing and vile behaviour of some around, would stop them from coming again.

These are facts.

I understand the frustrations and passion of fans, as heck I am just another.

Very happy as always to meet any number of you, with other directors as you may wish, to hear your views, concerns and ideas. Accordingly contact Ian Fleming at the club to arrange.

Otherwise, hope to see you all in fine voice with positive passion..

Best wishes John UTM

To be fair, I've seen a lot of vile behaviour in Blundell Park. It was only a couple of seasons ago I saw a grown man snap a flag in half!

As for the players finding Blundell Park hostile... There were 3000 of us sat in silence watching drivel against Macclesfield, they were lucky we weren't making it hostile for them! Tell them to man up a bit! They get fantastic support away from home and if the performances picked up at home, I'm sure the support would pick up at home also.

Anyway, tell the lads I will give them a cuddle the next time somebody boos them, UTM and here's to promotion in 2015!

Same old bla bla bla.
Shouldn't have come on here in the first place if you can't take it.
Thought you were gona say you were leaving the club, never mind you can't have everything.

I've seen Peter Handyside get assaulted on the pitch by a Wolves player, and the referee / linesmen not batting an eyelid! I don't think you can beat that on a Tueday night for abuse!

Probably for the best. Arguing with fans and posting provocative comments (remember "bit quiet" after a win?) isn't the most professional of actions from someone so closely associated with the club.

Grimsby's PR has seen a notable improvement recently. The preseason 12 man video was excellent as was the Lloyd videos especially the Christmas message which has exceeded all expectations and reached a massive audience.

Surely the type of posting has undermined that work?

Please, stop treating us like idiots. Continually denying blaming fans but in the next breath saying the fans are hostile. Which is it? Are we to blame or not? As for those who won't come again due to abuse/foul language. I doubt that we're any better or worse than any other teams fans. Lets not pretend otherwise eh?

John, your actions were probably well meaning but it's backfired.  

From bow on let the PR department do their job. It's what they're paid for.

I think John rightly or wrongly you have stuck your neck out to come on to a forum, not many in charge would have done so, it's a hiding to nothing but respect has to be given for trying. I do think the lack of constructive criticism on here is the reason you've gone and that's understandable, you will never win with some regardless. I think if anything during your time on here (if your still reading) is take on board some of the common sense you have seen on here. Despite only being fans on here some have a vast and in a few cases professional knowledge of football. We are the fans as are you and the need to get back into the league is paramount and I know that's not wasted on you. You know when the time comes that something needs to change to move on. I hope to Christ we can do it this year but please bear in mind you have a core of honest , loyal and diehard fans that with respect are fully understanding of the difference between, good tactical knowledge and the ability to get the best out of players and constant underachieving. I think you know and it takes bravery but as they say He who dares wins.

Quoted from darren9

Probably for the best. Arguing with fans and posting provocative comments (remember "bit quiet" after a win?) isn't the most professional of actions from someone so closely associated with the club.

Grimsby's PR has seen a notable improvement recently. The preseason 12 man video was excellent as was the Lloyd videos especially the Christmas message which has exceeded all expectations and reached a massive audience.

Surely the type of posting has undermined that work?

Please, stop treating us like idiots. Continually denying blaming fans but in the next breath saying the fans are hostile. Which is it? Are we to blame or not? As for those who won't come again due to abuse/foul language. I doubt that we're any better or worse than any other teams fans. Lets not pretend otherwise eh?

John, your actions were probably well meaning but it's backfired.  

From bow on let the PR department do their job. It's what they're paid for.

Wise words Darren


Although the entertainment value of the fishy has now dropped a notch or 2!

Quoted from darren9

Probably for the best. Arguing with fans and posting provocative comments (remember "bit quiet" after a win?) isn't the most professional of actions from someone so closely associated with the club.

Grimsby's PR has seen a notable improvement recently. The preseason 12 man video was excellent as was the Lloyd videos especially the Christmas message which has exceeded all expectations and reached a massive audience.

Surely the type of posting has undermined that work?

Please, stop treating us like idiots. Continually denying blaming fans but in the next breath saying the fans are hostile. Which is it? Are we to blame or not? As for those who won't come again due to abuse/foul language. I doubt that we're any better or worse than any other teams fans. Lets not pretend otherwise eh?

John, your actions were probably well meaning but it's backfired.  

From bow on let the PR department do their job. It's what they're paid for.

Good post. Think it's time the club grows a set from the chairman through the manager down to the players and realise how lucky they are to have such a loyal set of fans.

John,

Over the past 2-3 seasons, this football club has drained the absolute life out of me. I'll support this club through thick and thin, I travel a 400 mile round trip just to make a home game. I've properly supported this club since that famous day in 98, since then i've seen little success but I tell you what I've seen some passion, some grit and i've been entertained. I've seen players like Pouton bust a bollock for the club, I saw Jevons score 'that' goal at Anfield, I've seen Andy Todd grab the club from certain relegation and I've seen a team do us stupidly proud by over achieving in the Championship year after year. I think deep down we all knew the clubs standing in the Championship wouldn't last forever, I can accept where we are now.

What I cannot accept, is the passion and grit that has been ripped away from it all. The entertainment that the current manager has drained from it, I don't like going to games anymore, I chose to do different things and I feel robbed of the club that I originally fell in love with. I don't really care if i've missed a 1-0 home win against Dover, the chances are I wouldn't had enjoyed it anyway! Then you come on here, you goad the fans who have stuck with this club through everything, you goad those fans who DARE to say they're sick of it. For a club who have fallen so far it's stunning that we're even this patient but I for one am totally sick of it now. I'm sick of going to a game, travelling 400 miles to get there and back, to see a toothless, heartless performance and then to top it all off, the manager comes on the radio and tells me it's my fault! It's my fault he's drained all the entertainment from the club i've supported for the majority of my life, it's my fault he sits back and plays shite, negative boring football week in week out. You and others at the club seem to think that we should just accept that? Who bloody cares if we 'got the result' when the fun isn't there anymore? Unless something changes we'll not have enough to get out of this league.

I have defended you for years, I dread to think where we'd be without you. But to blame the fans after the absolute shite you've overseen in the past 10 or so years is an absolute flipping insult to the time, effort, money and pain i've invested supporting the rubbish currently on show.

Quoted from Getyourfactsright

Dear Fishes.

I have decided to never post or visit the fishy again due to the extreme and unfair interpretations of some of my posts. Not to mention the vile and abuse I endure.

Never once have I blamed the fans for anything.

Like it or not, BP is hostile for the home-side according to some players.

Only yesterday, I'm told by a lady who brought her two children to a recent game, that the swearing and vile behaviour of some around, would stop them from coming again.

These are facts.

I understand the frustrations and passion of fans, as heck I am just another.

Very happy as always to meet any number of you, with other directors as you may wish, to hear your views, concerns and ideas. Accordingly contact Ian Fleming at the club to arrange.

Otherwise, hope to see you all in fine voice with positive passion..

Best wishes John UTM

Try these facts.

Your tenure has been a disaster. We are an established non league side thanks to you.

The generations of fans and brilliant ex managers and players are in bewilderment as to how you have managed to make such a mess of it all.

To try to obscure the mess we are in by quoting the odd fan who doesn't like the atmosphere makes my blood boil - what should we be doing after a decade of dross? Don't expect the fans to doff their caps just cos you reign supreme with your money.

At least if you stay away from here you can't publically embarrass the club with your inept ramblings.

It is also time for people to show some respect to the man that has kept this club going

Quoted from Richard Cranium

It is also time for people to show some respect to the man that has kept this club going

You earn respect, you don't pay for it. Look at the balance sheet. Enough said.

Most fans do respect him for dipping his hand into his own pocket to keep the club going. Not many would do the same.

But, we have every right to question those in charge. Be that chairman, manager ... Whoever.

Sorry to hear you say that John, I will miss your posts mate,

You could always come back under a different name ,

Anyway look forward to seeing you at another away game soon,

AND

If the team can sort the home form out,

I will make that horrible journey up to Cleethorpes to celebrate 60 years of going to the park.

Quoted from carrot top

For what it is worth, you and the players ( I assume it is not all hopefully) need to grow some. I have never heard such rubbish spouted. Football grounds are full of people who vent their frustrations. What do you want us to do Mr Fenty, just sit there and say nothing, or should we break opposing fans flags to show passion. You as an example, don't make me laugh
I have supported Town for almost 50 years, unwaveringly until recently but I have never experienced some of the drivel and PC that is spouted on this site now. I am passionate about my club and always have been, but at the moment it is painful. Hostile home fans?
BTW there is a family stand if people don't like some colourful language. It never did me any harm listening to all the language vented years ago from the pontoon and Barrett stand
I hope somebody, please, can buy you out

errrrrrrrrrrrrr , I was in the " Family Stand "  for the Lincoln game , None of the " Family's "  could see the match because loads of fans without tickets for that area were let in and not removed by the Stewards .............................

Thanks for your contributions John. It was a brave step to put yourself in the firing line and not something many directors have attempted at other clubs so I applaud you for sticking your neck out and trying to get your view across this.way,

Let's hope we can back to winning ways again soon then it will be a quiet place again on the Fishy.

Quoted from pontoonlew

John,

Over the past 2-3 seasons, this football club has drained the absolute life out of me. I'll support this club through thick and thin, I travel a 400 mile round trip just to make a home game. I've properly supported this club since that famous day in 98, since then i've seen little success but I tell you what I've seen some passion, some grit and i've been entertained. I've seen players like Pouton bust a bollock for the club, I saw Jevons score 'that' goal at Anfield, I've seen Andy Todd grab the club from certain relegation and I've seen a team do us stupidly proud by over achieving in the Championship year after year. I think deep down we all knew the clubs standing in the Championship wouldn't last forever, I can accept where we are now.

What I cannot accept, is the passion and grit that has been ripped away from it all. The entertainment that the current manager has drained from it, I don't like going to games anymore, I chose to do different things and I feel robbed of the club that I originally fell in love with. I don't really care if i've missed a 1-0 home win against Dover, the chances are I wouldn't had enjoyed it anyway! Then you come on here, you goad the fans who have stuck with this club through everything, you goad those fans who DARE to say they're sick of it. For a club who have fallen so far it's stunning that we're even this patient but I for one am totally sick of it now. I'm sick of going to a game, travelling 400 miles to get there and back, to see a toothless, heartless performance and then to top it all off, the manager comes on the radio and tells me it's my fault! It's my fault he's drained all the entertainment from the club i've supported for the majority of my life, it's my fault he sits back and plays shite, negative boring football week in week out. You and others at the club seem to think that we should just accept that? Who bloody cares if we 'got the result' when the fun isn't there anymore? Unless something changes we'll not have enough to get out of this league.

I have defended you for years, I dread to think where we'd be without you. But to blame the fans after the absolute shite you've overseen in the past 10 or so years is an absolute flipping insult to the time, effort, money and pain i've invested supporting the rubbish currently on show.

Well said.  

I think the rather shocking stat that somebody quoted the other day of 17 yrs(?) was it without a promotion says more than anything, you would have to be over 30 yrs to have clear memories of any kind of success so the club need to remember its not reactions after one or two home defeats its that culmination of years of failure that we, loyal supporters are frustrated with.

Back to the O.P ....probably for the best for GYFR to retire from Fishy life, a no doubt wholeheartedly genuine attempt to connect with supporters but badly backfired in the end.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

You earn respect, you don't pay for it. Look at the balance sheet. Enough said.

Exactly, respect is earned. If we had more Magnay's and less Arnold's, you would all get more respect.

Quoted from Richard Cranium

It is also time for people to show some respect to the man that has kept this club going

He  didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart. There was to be a new stadium, the sale of Blundell Park, prestige and money in the bank.

It went belly up though so he has had to stick with it in the hope of rescuing his losses.  

Quoted from fleabag1970

errrrrrrrrrrrrr , I was in the " Family Stand "  for the Lincoln game , None of the " Family's "  could see the match because loads of fans without tickets for that area were let in and not removed by the Stewards .............................

Well Fleabag, that us the fault of the club. Vent your anger with the powers that be

Quoted from carrot top

Well Fleabag, that us the fault of the club. Vent your anger with the powers that be

I Darnt !!!! I might get some more xxxxxxxxxxxx              Oh and what is " Good by "  Its Good Bye "  ..................................

Quoted from GrimRob

Thanks for your contributions John. It was a brave step to put yourself in the firing line and not something many directors have attempted at other clubs so I applaud you for sticking your neck out and trying to get your view across this.way,

Let's hope we can back to winning ways again soon then it will be a quiet place again on the Fishy.

I realise you are probably saying 'quiet' tongue in cheek, but come on. Mr Fentys contribution on here lately is nothing short of insulting to many loyal fans.
Other Directors probably have more sense, but I'm afraid it looks like his ego gets the better of him

Quote:

"Like it or not, BP is hostile for the home-side according to some players."

WTF Those players should bloody prove them wrong then instead of whining that's a absolute pathetic statement.

It all makes Rob Scott seem quite normal really ..................................................................

Quoted from fleabag1970

I Darnt !!!! I might get some more xxxxxxxxxxxx              Oh and what is " Good by "  Its Good Bye "  ..................................

Careful Fleabag, the PC brigade will be having you for criticising spelling and grammar

Quoted from carrot top

I realise you are probably saying 'quiet' tongue in cheek, but come on. Mr Fentys contribution on here lately is nothing short of insulting to many loyal fans.
Other Directors probably have more sense, but I'm afraid it looks like his ego gets the better of him

Reading between the lines there have been some interesting observations in what he has said. Even in this final post most people have overlooked a key point. John speaks to the players none of us do, if some of them are saying the crowd are a problem for them, then shouldn't we stand up and take note? Rob Scott lost it with a supporter, PH has come close to snapping in some of his interviews, now JF has reached some final straw with the relentless criticism. What hope have we got if the people who actually run and play for the club are losing faith with the supporters?

Well that's the sort of feelings you stoke up, maybe you should shut Blundell Park up to the Prolls and just offer it to "invited guests only" people who dare not voice any opposition to big brother and his friends. On a day a new signing comes to the club this from someone who should know better.

Quoted from Richard Cranium

It is also time for people to show some respect to the man that has kept this club going

Why?
"Kept the club going" Ye he has down and flipping down.

half expecting Ched Evans to sign tomorrow to cover all this business up..

Drunken ramblings then self-enforced exile? Getyourfactsright = BP Vicar II.

Quoted from GrimRob

Reading between the lines there have been some interesting observations in what he has said. Even in this final post most people have overlooked a key point. John speaks to the players none of us do, if some of them are saying the crowd are a problem for them, then shouldn't we stand up and take note? Rob Scott lost it with a supporter, PH has come close to snapping in some of his interviews, now JF has reached some final straw with the relentless criticism. What hope have we got if the people who actually run and play for the club are losing faith with the supporters?

So he talks to the players? Well Sherlock, he pays their wages through the money we put through the turnstiles! So he should tell them,when he grows a set, that the fans deserve respect, commitment and appropriate effort for their continued support in spite of the years of failure under his tenure.

I cant truly believe that the actual John Fenty can't spell "Goodbye".

Quoted from GrimRob

Reading between the lines there have been some interesting observations in what he has said. Even in this final post most people have overlooked a key point. John speaks to the players none of us do, if some of them are saying the crowd are a problem for them, then shouldn't we stand up and take note? Rob Scott lost it with a supporter, PH has come close to snapping in some of his interviews, now JF has reached some final straw with the relentless criticism. What hope have we got if the people who actually run and play for the club are losing faith with the supporters?

I have heard it all now. Losing faith in the supporters. If that us the case then maybe they should look elsewhere to ply their trade. It is the supporters who are reaching the final straw. Wake up!

Gets more like a Shakespearian tragedy everyday.

Quoted from GrimRob

Reading between the lines there have been some interesting observations in what he has said. Even in this final post most people have overlooked a key point. John speaks to the players none of us do, if some of them are saying the crowd are a problem for them, then shouldn't we stand up and take note? Rob Scott lost it with a supporter, PH has come close to snapping in some of his interviews, now JF has reached some final straw with the relentless criticism. What hope have we got if the people who actually run and play for the club are losing faith with the supporters?

I didn't hear anyone complaining when we are out of our seats cheering our heads off or standing in our hundreds on a cold windswept non league ground hundreds of miles away.

I don't know what you are getting at. What other fans would remain loyal and in reasonable humour after what we have endured?

You should have seen the Luton forum before they got it together - it was xxx rated.

I think the Full time pro that said this should go get another job and play for Hyde

Quoted from carrot top

I have heard it all now. Losing faith in the supporters. If that us the case then maybe they should look elsewhere to ply their trade. It is the supporters who are reaching the final straw. Wake up!

If the manager, players and directors all look elsewhere then we'll be looking back on this as a glorious era.

Quoted from GrimRob

Reading between the lines there have been some interesting observations in what he has said. Even in this final post most people have overlooked a key point. John speaks to the players none of us do, if some of them are saying the crowd are a problem for them, then shouldn't we stand up and take note? Rob Scott lost it with a supporter, PH has come close to snapping in some of his interviews, now JF has reached some final straw with the relentless criticism. What hope have we got if the people who actually run and play for the club are losing faith with the supporters?

I hope that non of our poor little players ever end up playing for Millwall or similar. They would then know a hostile home crowd!

I don't condone abuse of home players but when someone puts in the sort of half arsed performance like one in particular did in the 2nd half on NYD then i totally understand fans giving them some abuse.

Players have to realise that even at this level it isnt all 'unlucky chaps', What is demanded is heart on the sleeve effort. Give your all for every second you are on the pitch and the BP crowd will back the players to the hilt and make it an even more hostile environment, for the opposition!

No player will get any abuse if they are seen to be giving their very best ALL of the time

My view is that the decision to stop posting is totally the correct one in the best interests of JF and the professionalism of the club. I was always of the view that the director/major shareholder/ex chairman should never have even considered coming on an unofficial site in the first place but clearly others disagree.

Quoted from BIGChris

I hope that non of our poor little players ever end up playing for Millwall or similar. They would then know a hostile home crowd!

I don't condone abuse of home players but when someone puts in the sort of half arsed performance like one in particular did in the 2nd half on NYD then i totally understand fans giving them some abuse.

Players have to realise that even at this level it isnt all 'unlucky chaps', What is demanded is heart on the sleeve effort. Give your all for every second you are on the pitch and the BP crowd will back the players to the hilt and make it an even more hostile environment, for the opposition!

No player will get any abuse if they are seen to be giving their very best ALL of the time

My view is that the decision to stop posting is totally the correct one in the best interests of JF and the professionalism of the club. I was always of the view that the director/major shareholder/ex chairman should never have even considered coming on an unofficial site in the first place but clearly others disagree.

Sensible stuff BC, but he decided to put his head over the parapet.

I've seen it all now.
We all done the drunken post and made the embarrassing apology the next day, but to continue in the same vane and slag the fans off again is too much. Whilst you are leaving the forum, leave the club and take your clueless manager with you. Hopefully the players won't get too upset, the sensitive souls that they are.

Quoted from GrimRob

If the manager, players and directors all look elsewhere then we'll be looking back on this as a glorious era.

There will always be a " Grimsby " with or with out them ....................  It will never be a Glorious era it is ashit state of affairs !!  I went to watch Clee and the football wasn't a lot different tbh .

Quoted from GrimRob

If the manager, players and directors all look elsewhere then we'll be looking back on this as a glorious era.

As I said earlier in the thread, they need to man up. The supporters, and there are still many of them even at this low level deserve better. All we ask is that the players put a proper shift in and that the Manager can get them in the right frame of mind to perform.
I'm sorry Rob but it is very boring watching Town at home on too many occasions

Quoted from GrimRob

If the manager, players and directors all look elsewhere then we'll be looking back on this as a glorious era.

You might be right, funnily enough.

But I bet there are managers, directors and players and new fans out there who would like a shot at reviving this great football club.

I agree with you BC, and might I add what a tawdry f@cking mess this whole thing is. Pathetic. If Town would only stop being sh1t, then we could avoid all of these ugly and unnecessary conflagrations.

I will repeat something I have often said - Grimsby Town are very, very lucky to receive the level of support that they do. If it weren't for the perpetual failures and the insulting comments and lack of commitment, BP would be bustling and rocking. What angers and saddens me is that it is all there for the taking. If only we had people with real ability employed in key positions at the club, and were doing the business on the pitch then this would be some club to play for - going up and going places, instead of sinking like a f***ing stone and cutting our nose off to spite our face.

Quoted from GrimRob

If the manager, players and directors all look elsewhere then we'll be looking back on this as a glorious era.

Sorry Rob, can't buy this.  I agree with the idea that we are in a good position in the Conference, but is that a great place to be?
The fighting between the fans, major shareholder, the way Paul acts in interviews (I have no personal gripe, but I think he puts a downer on things, even after a good result) all mean that I'm falling out of love with the whole thing.  I get more enjoyment from watching my sons Sunday League team these days.
Having said that, I'm trying to manufacture a reason to be in the Eastleigh area on the 27th  

Quoted from Getyourfactsright

Dear Fishes.

I have decided to never post or visit the fishy again due to the extreme and unfair interpretations of some of my posts. Not to mention the vile and abuse I endure.

Never once have I blamed the fans for anything.

Like it or not, BP is hostile for the home-side according to some players.

Only yesterday, I'm told by a lady who brought her two children to a recent game, that the swearing and vile behaviour of some around, would stop them from coming again.

These are facts.

I understand the frustrations and passion of fans, as heck I am just another.

Very happy as always to meet any number of you, with other directors as you may wish, to hear your views, concerns and ideas. Accordingly contact Ian Fleming at the club to arrange.

Otherwise, hope to see you all in fine voice with positive passion..

Best wishes John UTM

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Always sorry to hear that fellow Mariners decide against posting.  The problem with posting on a forum is that you don't have the power to control what people think.  You have no comfort zone on here and people will generally tell you how it is, this has truly got under your skin.

You have goaded fans and laughed about it, or have you forgotten the thread that you and your executive chums watched with glee that went to over 2,000 hits.  You never did say who your 7 mathey Fenty bathers were did you but you always stated it when you wanted to score points.

More have stopped coming to BP because of the poor standard of football, and league we are in, let alone vile behaviour or swearing. Which. if you sit in the cheap seats at the majority of clubs in the league, fans slag players off, swear with some vile behaviour thrown in. The fans at Scunthorpe drove a player out at Glanford Park, the fans at Mansfield when they were relegated from the league attacked the Chairman. You have surrounded yourself with yes men that your view has become insular.

BP is a partisan crowd, only Sunday league players would say it is hostile.

I hope I haven't hurt your feelings.

Quoted from lee65

Sorry Rob, can't buy this.  I agree with the idea that we are in a good position in the Conference, but is that a great place to be?
The fighting between the fans, major shareholder, the way Paul acts in interviews (I have no personal gripe, but I think he puts a downer on things, even after a good result) all mean that I'm falling out of love with the whole thing.  I get more enjoyment from watching my sons Sunday League team these days.
Having said that, I'm trying to manufacture a reason to be in the Eastleigh area on the 27th  

Yeah, you and me both!

Quoted from BIGChris

Yeah, you and me both!

I have a mate who is flying down from Aberdeen to Southampton to be there!

Sorry to read that John. A rare opportunity for the fan base to make use of, which has now been lost. Real shame.

Quoted from pontoonlew

John,

Over the past 2-3 seasons, this football club has drained the absolute life out of me. I'll support this club through thick and thin, I travel a 400 mile round trip just to make a home game. I've properly supported this club since that famous day in 98, since then i've seen little success but I tell you what I've seen some passion, some grit and i've been entertained. I've seen players like Pouton bust a bollock for the club, I saw Jevons score 'that' goal at Anfield, I've seen Andy Todd grab the club from certain relegation and I've seen a team do us stupidly proud by over achieving in the Championship year after year. I think deep down we all knew the clubs standing in the Championship wouldn't last forever, I can accept where we are now.

What I cannot accept, is the passion and grit that has been ripped away from it all. The entertainment that the current manager has drained from it, I don't like going to games anymore, I chose to do different things and I feel robbed of the club that I originally fell in love with. I don't really care if i've missed a 1-0 home win against Dover, the chances are I wouldn't had enjoyed it anyway! Then you come on here, you goad the fans who have stuck with this club through everything, you goad those fans who DARE to say they're sick of it. For a club who have fallen so far it's stunning that we're even this patient but I for one am totally sick of it now. I'm sick of going to a game, travelling 400 miles to get there and back, to see a toothless, heartless performance and then to top it all off, the manager comes on the radio and tells me it's my fault! It's my fault he's drained all the entertainment from the club i've supported for the majority of my life, it's my fault he sits back and plays shite, negative boring football week in week out. You and others at the club seem to think that we should just accept that? Who bloody cares if we 'got the result' when the fun isn't there anymore? Unless something changes we'll not have enough to get out of this league.

I have defended you for years, I dread to think where we'd be without you. But to blame the fans after the absolute shite you've overseen in the past 10 or so years is an absolute flipping insult to the time, effort, money and pain i've invested supporting the rubbish currently on show.

That post is from the heart and exactly how I feel, although I don't travel that far and live locally I've only been to 3 games this season, which for me is unheard of, i dont even listen to the radio anymore when we are away, partly because i cant be bothered to find it ! but I'm afraid I  can't take it,, unfortunately I will continue to pick and choose my games.

Quoted from BIGChris

Yeah, you and me both!

I'm planning on being there.

Quoted from barralad

I have a mate who is flying down from Aberdeen to Southampton to be there!

Well looking at the map I think the ground is very close to the airport.  I'm looking at a hotel only 0.4mils from the ground

You know your club is as about as low as it can be when the chairman seemingly likes to randomly log on and blame us for being excrement..

then logs on and blames the hostile fans ..

repeat repeat then logs on blames the fans and does a flounce!

flipping priceless.

Quoted from gytone

That post is from the heart and exactly how I feel, although I don't travel that far and live locally I've only been to 3 games this season, which for me is unheard of, i dont even listen to the radio anymore when we are away, partly because i cant be bothered to find it ! but I'm afraid I  can't take it,, unfortunately I will continue to pick and choose my games.

You are right - post of the year for me. Sums it all up nicely

Quoted from realist

You are right - post of the year for me. Sums it all up nicely

bang on the money , we are all slowly falling out of love with our club ........................................

Quoted from fleabag1970

bang on the money , we are all slowly falling out of love with our club ........................................

You speak for yourself....not all.

Quoted from ivanosandwich

You speak for yourself....not all.

Sorry ..............Most .  Although most of 3000  is not good which ever way you cook it up

Quoted from fleabag1970

bang on the money , we are all slowly falling out of love with our club ........................................

I'd appreciate it if you didn't speak for me-drama prince!

Quoted from chaos33

I agree with you BC, and might I add what a tawdry f@cking mess this whole thing is. Pathetic. If Town would only stop being sh1t, then we could avoid all of these ugly and unnecessary conflagrations.

I will repeat something I have often said - Grimsby Town are very, very lucky to receive the level of support that they do. If it weren't for the perpetual failures and the insulting comments and lack of commitment, BP would be bustling and rocking. What angers and saddens me is that it is all there for the taking. If only we had people with real ability employed in key positions at the club, and were doing the business on the pitch then this would be some club to play for - going up and going places, instead of sinking like a f***ing stone and cutting our nose off to spite our face.

Totally agree Chaos, GTFC is still a great club, a club of status and one with a history to be proud of, that level of pride can be restored
quickly  with the right people in the key roles, but that situation seems a million miles away, if the club isn't allowed to self destruct
it will return, but not under this regimes turgid footbalI IMO

Quoted from fleabag1970

bang on the money , we are all slowly falling out of love with our club ........................................

I'll never fall out of love with GTFC but I despair at the state it's in.

I just said sorry

Quoted from fleabag1970

I just said sorry

you dont have to apologise..

Quoted from GrimRob

If the manager, players and directors all look elsewhere then we'll be looking back on this as a glorious era.

fcing hell it's hardly the great Roman Empire someone send for Brutus, Hail Brutus!!

GTFC was a once proud club with good honest players who would run through brick walls. Fenty is only a custodian I have supported this club over 50 years long before he was here seen the highs and lows but none as bad as the last few years. I WILL NOT GROVEL to anyone if they feck off it's to their faIlings Rob NOT THE FANS.  Certainly not a few on here.

Quoted from pontoonlew

John,

Over the past 2-3 seasons, this football club has drained the absolute life out of me. I'll support this club through thick and thin, I travel a 400 mile round trip just to make a home game. I've properly supported this club since that famous day in 98, since then i've seen little success but I tell you what I've seen some passion, some grit and i've been entertained. I've seen players like Pouton bust a bollock for the club, I saw Jevons score 'that' goal at Anfield, I've seen Andy Todd grab the club from certain relegation and I've seen a team do us stupidly proud by over achieving in the Championship year after year. I think deep down we all knew the clubs standing in the Championship wouldn't last forever, I can accept where we are now.

What I cannot accept, is the passion and grit that has been ripped away from it all. The entertainment that the current manager has drained from it, I don't like going to games anymore, I chose to do different things and I feel robbed of the club that I originally fell in love with. I don't really care if i've missed a 1-0 home win against Dover, the chances are I wouldn't had enjoyed it anyway! Then you come on here, you goad the fans who have stuck with this club through everything, you goad those fans who DARE to say they're sick of it. For a club who have fallen so far it's stunning that we're even this patient but I for one am totally sick of it now. I'm sick of going to a game, travelling 400 miles to get there and back, to see a toothless, heartless performance and then to top it all off, the manager comes on the radio and tells me it's my fault! It's my fault he's drained all the entertainment from the club i've supported for the majority of my life, it's my fault he sits back and plays shite, negative boring football week in week out. You and others at the club seem to think that we should just accept that? Who bloody cares if we 'got the result' when the fun isn't there anymore? Unless something changes we'll not have enough to get out of this league.

I have defended you for years, I dread to think where we'd be without you. But to blame the fans after the absolute shite you've overseen in the past 10 or so years is an absolute flipping insult to the time, effort, money and pain i've invested supporting the rubbish currently on show.

Unquestionably one of the best posts I've ever read on here! Well said.

Quoted from fleabag1970

I just said sorry

Yes and it was noted, cheers.

Quoted from petethemariner

Totally agree Chaos, GTFC is still a great club, a club of status and one with a history to be proud of, that level of pride can be restored
quickly  with the right people in the key roles, but that situation seems a million miles away, if the club isn't allowed to self destruct
it will return, but not under this regimes turgid footbalI IMO

But before that can happen the people running it need to be able to develop some insight into the impact of their actions,do you think they have the ability to constructively reflect.I don't I consider that they have developed a siege mentality and this manifests itself in dogmatic defensive responses as we are currently witnessing.

Does JF not see the contradiction here?

"Never once have I blamed the fans for anything.

Like it or not, BP is hostile for the home-side according to some players."

If that isn't blaming the fans I don't know what is.

The problem with him posting is that he chose the wrong name. Instead of GETYOURFACTSRIGHT it should have been ICANTFACETHEFACTS.

He has spent upwards of 10 years avoiding the issue that under his control the club has gone downhill at speed and has shown little sign of reversing the trend. I am sick and tired of the "let's accept we are in the Conference" and "automatic promotion is still possible" stuff. If the man was serious about improving things he would stop trying the run the club like his business and sit down with people who know how to plan football progress.

He would look back for guidance and see how Buckley made the marque signing of Garry Birtles when we were in the dumps and so inspired the crowd and players alike. He would storm into the manager's office and ask him why on earth he has wasted his money on yet another "promising" squad player. He would snap back at the sniping players and tell them that it was their job to build the support not the supporters and maybe they should start by buying a huge mirror for the dressing room wall.

He might think that leaving the Fishy as a poster is a good idea. Maybe it is. But it won't stop people who have supported the club through thick and thin and seen it suffer under his stewardship from reminding him of the facts even if he can't face them.

...but what about the orange?

Quoted from pontoonlew

John,

Over the past 2-3 seasons, this football club has drained the absolute life out of me. I'll support this club through thick and thin, I travel a 400 mile round trip just to make a home game. I've properly supported this club since that famous day in 98, since then i've seen little success but I tell you what I've seen some passion, some grit and i've been entertained. I've seen players like Pouton bust a bollock for the club, I saw Jevons score 'that' goal at Anfield, I've seen Andy Todd grab the club from certain relegation and I've seen a team do us stupidly proud by over achieving in the Championship year after year. I think deep down we all knew the clubs standing in the Championship wouldn't last forever, I can accept where we are now.

What I cannot accept, is the passion and grit that has been ripped away from it all. The entertainment that the current manager has drained from it, I don't like going to games anymore, I chose to do different things and I feel robbed of the club that I originally fell in love with. I don't really care if i've missed a 1-0 home win against Dover, the chances are I wouldn't had enjoyed it anyway! Then you come on here, you goad the fans who have stuck with this club through everything, you goad those fans who DARE to say they're sick of it. For a club who have fallen so far it's stunning that we're even this patient but I for one am totally sick of it now. I'm sick of going to a game, travelling 400 miles to get there and back, to see a toothless, heartless performance and then to top it all off, the manager comes on the radio and tells me it's my fault! It's my fault he's drained all the entertainment from the club i've supported for the majority of my life, it's my fault he sits back and plays shite, negative boring football week in week out. You and others at the club seem to think that we should just accept that? Who bloody cares if we 'got the result' when the fun isn't there anymore? Unless something changes we'll not have enough to get out of this league.

I have defended you for years, I dread to think where we'd be without you. But to blame the fans after the absolute shite you've overseen in the past 10 or so years is an absolute flipping insult to the time, effort, money and pain i've invested supporting the rubbish currently on show.

Post of the year!  Says everything a lot of us have been thinking for a good while.
Brilliant, well done mate!

Quoted from Badger57

Post of the year!  Says everything a lot of us have been thinking for a good while.
Brilliant, well done mate!

Would get my vote  

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Does JF not see the contradiction here?

"Never once have I blamed the fans for anything.

Like it or not, BP is hostile for the home-side according to some players."

If that isn't blaming the fans I don't know what is.

The problem with him posting is that he chose the wrong name. Instead of GETYOURFACTSRIGHT it should have been ICANTFACETHEFACTS.

He has spent upwards of 10 years avoiding the issue that under his control the club has gone downhill at speed and has shown little sign of reversing the trend. I am sick and tired of the "let's accept we are in the Conference" and "automatic promotion is still possible" stuff. If the man was serious about improving things he would stop trying the run the club like his business and sit down with people who know how to plan football progress.

He would look back for guidance and see how Buckley made the marque signing of Garry Birtles when we were in the dumps and so inspired the crowd and players alike. He would storm into the manager's office and ask him why on earth he has wasted his money on yet another "promising" squad player. He would snap back at the sniping players and tell them that it was their job to build the support not the supporters and maybe they should start by buying a huge mirror for the dressing room wall.

He might think that leaving the Fishy as a poster is a good idea. Maybe it is. But it won't stop people who have supported the club through thick and thin and seen it suffer under his stewardship from reminding him of the facts even if he can't face them.

I hope Getyourfactsright reads this post.

We need leadership on and off the pitch, no doubt about it.

Don't suppose I will ever get my question re thermos flasks answered now

;

Quoted from forza ivano

Don't suppose I will ever get my question re thermos flasks answered now

Quoted from barralad

I have a mate who is flying down from Aberdeen to Southampton to be there!

Driving all the way to Aberdeen just to fly to Southampton??  

Best thing you've decided to do since the idea of posting on here first flew into your head John. I don't think it was ever going to end well, I prefer my "major shareholders" not posting on a general forum and concentrating on the important running of the club business. Plus in my opinion, you're really not that good with the whole PR thing, Disaster waiting to happen and the almost incredible ability to say the wrong thing at the worst time. As someone else said earlier, leave the PR to those that are paid to do it. Fair play for trying if that is what you wanted but not for me. Now go tell whichever cry baby it was in the dressing room to man up, play with a bit of pride and drive some passion into him. Show us you care and we'll show you we do too. UTM.

Quoted from ivanosandwich

You speak for yourself....not all.

The new latest post of the year (in my opinion but I'm not forcing anyone else to agree with how I think)!

Some players find it  hostile ?! Boo blo.ody hoo the poor little wall flowers . Fook off back to where you came from playing in front of 1000 fans or whatever . Don't waste our time . Let's sign some players who don't roll over when the going gets tough or well be down here forever

I have never been PH's biggest fan but I have been happy to give him a chance but I have had enough of his negative attitude, tactics and preparation. He has single handedly taken the fight and battle out of the players and the club IMO. Yes we have probably our best squad ability wise since we came down to the conference but something is going wrong somewhere to turn them into a downtrodden looking bunch of players and to blame the fans for this is completely wrong

So Jan 6th and were at this stage are we?

Dear John,

Just concentrate on the job in hand ie securing promotion if the little darlings Mr Hurst have signed don't like playing at BP then tell them to fook off and the same to Mr Hurst with little bells on.I have seen some rubbish over the years but any negativity associated with BP at present I would boldly suggest you look at the teams Manager rather than the fans because that is the problem.

Now I know GetYourFactsRight  will be reading all these otherwise he would have just slipped away quietly .................. Here are some loose  "facts" for you

The Fans/Customers of your Club Should never be held to blame and even you think it don't tell them

The Club has never been so boring to watch , even when they win it aint that good IMO

You should speak to the Eastleigh Chairman and see how he does it on a much smaller budget.

Your Dwindling fan base is doing just that ................

Your Manager doesn't know how to set up an exciting winning team at home

Your players you Pay are not giving 100% , you have to ask your self how Brown, Clay , Hannah , Arnold , Nielson .........etc etc go from being 100% players to  errrrrrrrr well a lot less than that ?

Get Some Help ................ the Fans are your Friend not your enemy .............. The ones that are left must be Pro You otherwise they wouldn't suffer the dross served up every week .

Your Players arnt giving 100%

Your Players arnt giving 100%

Your Players ar...........................................................................Repeat to fade