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| GTFCNick |
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Paul Hust is actively addressing this problem as best he can. Sub 2000 crowds should reduce these risks to a somewhat more acceptable level
I know that its hard sometimes to be a supporter but that is the nature of the game that we all love and that is football. Some days are good, others not so yet we still turn out and we still support. Football didn't choose us, we chose football! its in the blood, our way of life and shopping with the wife on Saturday simply does not compare. Happy New Year everyone, a sober night for me however I hope that all those partying have a safe and enjoyable night and look forward to seeing you at the game tomorrow. Nick |
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Not quite sure why you quoted me Nick ??
For the record, I will be there tomorrow as I am 90% of the time. As an 'upper' I look forward to my half time pint of overpriced cider (fosters is proper sh1te) without having to cope with the lower 'chavs'. Keep up the good work trust. 😉😉
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| Marinerz93 |
| December 31, 2014, 4:59pm |
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Afternoon everyone, just an attempt to clear a few things up:
Standing - We are a licenced all seater stadium, I've asked the question before with regards to safe standing and been informed that standing is not permitted unless it meets the specifications for standing stadia as per the "Green Guide". We are permitted to remove seats and have an area for standing (This requires substantial work to meet the regulations) however any subsequent promotion would require the said area to be returned to all seating in order to qualify for acceptance to the Football League. I've had numerous complaints from supporters whose view of the match was blocked for most of the game against Lincoln due to supporters standing. Why should they have to endure this? Especially as they have equally paid their money and equally are entitled to watch the match free from obstruction. Standing briefly during a exciting passage of play in understandable, standing for the full duration of the match and blocking the view of others is just completely inconsiderate.
As for the Mariners Trust Bar, this bar is and never has been fit for purpose in terms of the supporters wanting to use its facilities. There are issues nearly at every home game in and around the toilet areas, kiosk and bar. There are far too many supporters for the size of the space available and has been the bone of contention with supporters for years. On Sunday we had a female steward pushed over by a male wanting to use the ladies toilets as he did not want to queue for the gents! The facilities cannot cope with the demand and we are constantly getting fractious situations. We have toilet facilities for the Upper Findus in the stairway of Imperial Corner as well as in the vomitory of Con's Corner. These facilities never have been nor should they be made available to the Lower Findus as they are not adequate to accommodate that volume of support. The refreshment, toilet and smoking areas for the Lower are and always have been in Imperial Corner. Unfortunately the Lower Findus does not have its own bar facilities and as a result has shared the Mariners Trust Bar with the Upper Findus. Out of respect to the season ticket holders in the Lower Findus, if you would like to be relocated to the Upper for the Day then the club will happily facilitate this for you. All other supporters in the Lower will not have the Mariners Trust Bar available to them for tomorrows match. We are looking for a long term solution and will be working with the Mariners Trust on this and hopefully will resolve this issue on a permanent basis for next season. I can only apologise for any issues that this decision has caused, although I assure you all that it is for the right reasons with safety of the paramount importance.
As for sharing the Osmond Stand? I fail to understand what this would gain other than to thin support out? Some would move, some would stay with the collective voice of support diminished. Also there is no bar other than Scotties in the Osmond Stand, the other facility is franchised out to the catering vendor and used for the preparation and heating of food. This area is the only space available for visiting supporters to get a drink and food.
One further point is that we have some very decent youngsters and some very unsavoury that would attack anyone in a visitors shirt, not really an advert for loyal decent support. Nobody in their right mind would allow for the youngsters to move within such close proximity to the visitors when you cannot guarantee that their behaviour is going to be acceptable. Do we simply stand there and attempt to filter out the good from the bad? What happens if we get it wrong? We need to work collectively together to generate atmosphere, moving stands does not resolve the problem it just thins support out. I would advocate asking everyone that travels away to move together into the Pontoon and bring back the good old days of where that stand was rocking. Those that travel and congregate together on away days are spread throughout the stadium making it mission impossible to replicate.
If any supporter has any ideas with regards to a long term solution for the bars then please feel free to respond. No idea is a bad idea and you never know someone out there might have a solution that has not already been considered. Steve Wraith and I have talked with the trust today and if possible would implement changes during the season if feasible and currently do have a possible solution to discuss further with the mariners trust.
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Thank you for the feed back Nick. Not all Town fans who get to away games manage to get to BP, this you must surely know. The Pontoon of old was mainly full of younger men and now it has a lot of women and kids, the demographic has changed and you won't be able to change that back because of season tickets. Pontoon of old, if you wanted a good spot you got there early and that added to the build up atmosphere, players were cheered as they warmed up and ref's and lino had the mickey taken out of them. If segregation can be managed at Lincoln with a scattering of stewards and a Hessian cloth down a few seats, why can't it be managed at BP. It's about time we stopped giving a whole stand that holds 1,800 to a car or mini van load of away fans. There have been plenty of games were there have been more stewards than away fans. Town fans at both ends of the ground will generate more vocal support than is set up for now. |
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| December 31, 2014, 5:22pm |
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Firstly, ta for making the effort the clear a few things up. Understand you're not here for an argument, so not really expecting much in the way of a reply, but...
As for sharing the Osmond Stand? I fail to understand what this would gain other than to thin support out? Some would move, some would stay with the collective voice of support diminished
Come off it. It's clear that giving supporters other people to bounce off - as has happened in the past when the Osmond is opened for any sustained period of time - improves atmosphere. The acoustics in the Osmond are much better than anywhere else in the ground, and this noise carries all through the Main Stand and through to the Pontoon. 15 Woking fans (IIRC) made a hell of a lot more noise than 3k town fans in a 3-1 defeat last month, and I could hear them on the other side of the pitch clearer than anything coming from the right of the Pontoon. As has been mentioned on this thread, elsewhere on the board and on countless other occasions, the backing of the fans helps the players & management and, ultimately, the club overall. I don't really understand your vehement opposition to the idea of trying to encourage this.
One further point is that we have some very decent youngsters and some very unsavoury that would attack anyone in a visitors shirt, not really an advert for loyal decent support.
What are you basing this on? Of the 27 'fans' arrested in 13/14, only 2 were for violent disorder, and only 8 in total were in GY/Clee. I can't remember the last time I saw anything even close to resembling a fight inside BP, especially between home & away fans. This is an awfully misleading & potentially damaging statement for a stadium manager to be making and, to me, smacks of someone desperate to avoid any extra work. If you've any evidence of this very unsavoury group of youngers who'd "attack anyone in a visitors shirt", then please feel free to correct me. Though I'll not hold my breath. It worries me that someone using this kind of argument is left in charge of the management of the ground on a matchday. |
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| BIGChris |
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Unfortunately the Lower Findus does not have its own bar facilities and as a result has shared the Mariners Trust Bar with the Upper Findus. Out of respect to the season ticket holders in the Lower Findus, if you would like to be relocated to the Upper for the Day then the club will happily facilitate this for you. All other supporters in the Lower will not have the Mariners Trust Bar available to them for tomorrows match.
. I would advocate asking everyone that travels away to move together into the Pontoon and bring back the good old days of where that stand was rocking. Those that travel and congregate together on away days are spread throughout the stadium making it mission impossible
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Nick, please clarify; The first highlighted part of your post states the Mariners Trust bar is closed to patrons of the Lower Findus tomorrow. This contradicts the Trust's statement which states that the bar is open as normal prior to the game I.e. Anyone with a home stand match ticket can go in the bar from 12 noon until turnstiles open, but closed at half time to Lower Findus ticket holders? Which one is it? As a regular supporter at away games I don't get why I and my travelling colleagues would move their seats to the Pontoon. If we wanted to sit there we already would be doing so! |
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| December 31, 2014, 5:39pm |
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As for sharing the Osmond Stand? I fail to understand what this would gain other than to thin support out? Some would move, some would stay with the collective voice of support diminished. Also there is no bar other than Scotties in the Osmond Stand, the other facility is franchised out to the catering vendor and used for the preparation and heating of food. This area is the only space available for visiting supporters to get a drink and food.
One further point is that we have some very decent youngsters and some very unsavoury that would attack anyone in a visitors shirt, not really an advert for loyal decent support. Nobody in their right mind would allow for the youngsters to move within such close proximity to the visitors when you cannot guarantee that their behaviour is going to be acceptable. Do we simply stand there and attempt to filter out the good from the bad? What happens if we get it wrong? We need to work collectively together to generate atmosphere, moving stands does not resolve the problem it just thins support out. I would advocate asking everyone that travels away to move together into the Pontoon and bring back the good old days of where that stand was rocking. Those that travel and congregate together on away days are spread throughout the stadium making it mission impossible to replicate.
Firstly, fair play for coming on here to try and justify the reasons for the statement on the official site. I wasn't questioning what the statement was about it is just that I can't understand why the club decided to address the statement when people would have most likely sat down in there seats as normal but now it may get a reaction from some elements of the ground due to the club mentioning it. If the club hadn't have put the statement on the website then I am 99% everyone will have sat down but seeing at the club bought it to the attention of people they will want to oppose. I think that a lot of the youngster realise that the top corner of the pontoon is not the best place for a vocal section for the fans to be place. The lower Findus is a no go straight away with it being that open and the sound not being able to echo. The main stand would be ideal however it is the designated family stand, commentary positions and traditionally the noisy section has always been behind the goal. I can remember a few years ago against Rushden when they opened up the main stand for around 10 minutes for people if the pontoon to move so that they could have a better view of the game (due to the fog) and the acoustics in there sounded brilliant. The best two options for a designated 'vocal' area are either the Osmond or the centre of the pontoon. I know that a few years ago against Braintree around 50 young lads tried to start an area in the centre of the pontoon however the drum wasn't allowed to be in that area so they all decided to follow the drum back to its original place. I look down the road at what Lincoln have done and the atmosphere looks really good at most games for them and that is with 1500 less fans. Not only that I personally think some of visual displays some clubs are brilliant and with a designated seating area this could encourage some fans. For me when I first started supporting Town the thing that got me addicted was the atmosphere and the feeling of belonging to the town. |
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some very unsavoury that would attack anyone in a visitors shirt, not really an advert for loyal decent support. Nobody in their right mind would allow for the youngsters to move within such close proximity to the visitors when you cannot guarantee that their behaviour is going to be acceptable. Do we simply stand there and attempt to filter out the good from the bad? What happens if we get it wrong?
We support Grimsby not Galatasaray. I am surprised you have actually said such a statement with such little evidence to suggest we have people who follow the club that they would attack visiting supporters. I am a season ticket holder and follow town around the country and I must have a very different perception to Town fans to you if you think certain elements of the crowd would attack someone in a visitors shirt. We have idiots at the club but to go as far as saying that they would attack visiting supporters for no reason other than them wearing a t-shirt is steep. |
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| GTFCNick |
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Nick, please clarify;
The first highlighted part of your post states the Mariners Trust bar is closed to patrons of the Lower Findus tomorrow. This contradicts the Trust's statement which states that the bar is open as normal prior to the game I.e. Anyone with a home stand match ticket can go in the bar from 12 noon until turnstiles open, but closed at half time to Lower Findus ticket holders? Which one is it?
As a regular supporter at away games I don't get why I and my travelling colleagues would move their seats to the Pontoon. If we wanted to sit there we already would be doing so!
Just to clarify the Mariners Trust Bar is open early and to all. As from 13:30 when the turnstiles open further admittance to the bar is only accesable to supporters with tickets for the Upper Findus. Those already in the bar are welcome to stay and transfer to their stand prior to K.O. There is no transfer back to the bar at half time and access will be for the Upper Findus supporters only. Alternatively you can opt to stay in the bar, warm and watch the match on the tv's. |
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| BIGChris |
| December 31, 2014, 6:41pm |
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Just to clarify the Mariners Trust Bar is open early and to all. As from 13:30 when the turnstiles open further admittance to the bar is only accesable to supporters with tickets for the Upper Findus. Those already in the bar are welcome to stay and transfer to their stand prior to K.O. There is no transfer back to the bar at half time and access will be for the Upper Findus supporters only. Alternatively you can opt to stay in the bar, warm and watch the match on the tv's.
Thanks for clarifying that bit Nick ( not sure we should be encouraging anyone to stay in the bar and watch on TV, surely the team needs all the support it can get?) |
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