Ched Evans Poll

Would you like Town to sign Ched Evans?

Sign a convicted rapist, definitely not, sign someone cleared of rape/criminal offence, yes.

Sign someone who crashed into someone then run away from the scene leaving them to die, never in a million years.

If it guaranteed us to get us out this shitehouse league I'd have a midfield of Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini supporting Bashar al-Assad and Saddam Hussein up front. Idi Amin in goal.

Imagine the furore if PH asked one of those 2 midfielders to play on the left etc.

Yes he would score for fun in this league, sign him on a two year deal and we would even be able to make some money on him in the process

The day Town sign a convicted rapist will be the day I stop watching Town.

Time served? So he should never work again is that what your all saying?

Timmo
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Quoted from timmo

Time served? So he should never work again is that what your all saying?

Timmo
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Not in a high profile role such as a professional footballer in which youngsters look up to you.

And also given that he has shown no remorse or acknowledged any wrongdoing.

Definitely sign him, we'd win the title with Evans up front.

Quoted from davmariner

Not in a high profile role such as a professional footballer in which youngsters look up to you.

And also given that he has shown no remorse or acknowledged any wrongdoing.

Ok, I see this point however I think his done his time, its ruined his life maybe little harsh ending his career.

Timmo
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I'd like to think kids would be more bothered about scoring playground goals than drunk up holes.

Quoted from davmariner

Not in a high profile role such as a professional footballer in which youngsters look up to you.

And also given that he has shown no remorse or acknowledged any wrongdoing.

I honestly don't understand this argument. No child, even if they are a fan of Ched Evans, will come to think of rape being acceptable because he was once found guilty of it.

While I'll admit I don't know all the details to the case after looking on his website something just doesn't add up for me. I'm definitely in the he's served his time, let him get on with his life camp. I would have him in a town shirt tomorrow if it got us back into the football league.

Quoted from Marinerz93

Sign a convicted rapist, definitely not, sign someone cleared of rape/criminal offence, yes.

Sign someone who crashed into someone then run away from the scene leaving them to die, never in a million years.

Agree 100%

Quoted from GTFCNiles

While I'll admit I don't know all the details to the case after looking on his website something just doesn't add up for me. I'm definitely in the he's served his time, let him get on with his life camp. I would have him in a town shirt tomorrow if it got us back into the football league.

yes  agreed get him in a town  shirt let us get out of this  league utm

It has to be said with this there appears to be a large number of armchair judges. If Ched Evans didn't work again what good would that do for society as well. His sentence is punishment done and that punishment isn't a life sentence where he cannot work again. There are people who would be happy for him to go on a building site, yet not play lower league football. There is a lot to be said for letting him get on with it. What he did was atrociously wrong but people cannot rehabilitate from prison unless we allow them to do so. All Evans has ever done is play football. So let him play football

Quoted from davmariner

Not in a high profile role such as a professional footballer in which youngsters look up to you.

And also given that he has shown no remorse or acknowledged any wrongdoing.

So, your argument would be the same then if a player was to come out as gay, Muslim etc

You are saying players should have cast no sins yet playgrounds were full of beckham, collymore and giggs shirts yet they were hardly angelic

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

So, your argument would be the same then if a player was to come out as gay, Muslim etc

You are saying players should have cast no sins yet playgrounds were full of beckham, collymore and giggs shirts yet they were hardly angelic

I'm confused, are you saying a child shouldn't look up to someone who is gay or Muslim?

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

So, your argument would be the same then if a player was to come out as gay, Muslim etc

You are saying players should have cast no sins yet playgrounds were full of beckham, collymore and giggs shirts yet they were hardly angelic

There's being 'hardly angelic' and there's being a convicted rapist.

What's your point about gays and Muslims? Not quite sure what you're getting at but as far as I'm aware being gay or being Muslim isn't a crime. Having gay or Muslim footballers that are public and proud I'd argue would be good for society.

People make mistakes, granted. But going to prison is not just about punishment and serving your time. Even more so it's about reform and accepting the crime you have committed is wrong.

He's hardly going to accept any wrongdoing when he maintains his innocence is he?

Quoted from mariner91

He's hardly going to accept any wrongdoing when he maintains his innocence is he?

He's been convicted by a court of law and a jury of his peers. The evidence must have been pretty convincing for him to be sent to prison.

Non of us were in the court room and it's remarkable how people can just say 'I believe he's innocent'. I guess they must know something that the British judicial system doesn't?

Quoted from GTFCNiles

While I'll admit I don't know all the details to the case after looking on his website something just doesn't add up for me. I'm definitely in the he's served his time, let him get on with his life camp. I would have him in a town shirt tomorrow if it got us back into the football league.

Is a website dedicated to freeing Ched Evans really going to present the facts in an impartial, comprehensive and unbiased manner?

Let's not forget this girl had to change her identity twice.

Quoted from mariner91

I'm confused, are you saying a child shouldn't look up to someone who is gay or Muslim?

Not at all.

Quoted from davmariner

There's being 'hardly angelic' and there's being a convicted rapist.

What's your point about gays and Muslims? Not quite sure what you're getting at but as far as I'm aware being gay or being Muslim isn't a crime. Having gay or Muslim footballers that are public and proud I'd argue would be good for society.

People make mistakes, granted. But going to prison is not just about punishment and serving your time. Even more so it's about reform and accepting the crime you have committed is wrong.

Your argument was decreeing that all footballers should be whiter than white. Yet we have many that are hero worshipped that are far from that.

I believe that the man has done his time and should be able to once more ply his trade.  Not saying what has happened is/was right.

Would I mind him playing for us? It wouldn't bother me personally.

Quoted from davmariner

He's been convicted by a court of law and a jury of his peers. The evidence must have been pretty convincing for him to be sent to prison.

Non of us were in the court room and it's remarkable how people can just say 'I believe he's innocent'. I guess they must know something that the British judicial system doesn't?

Not the point I was making. I didn't say I think he's innocent or that the courts were wrong. You said he doesn't acknowledge any wrongdoing or show any remorse but he isn't exactly likely to when he maintains his innocence and is actively trying to get his name cleared.

Quoted from davmariner

The day Town sign a convicted rapist will be the day I stop watching Town.

Me too

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Your argument was decreeing that all footballers should be whiter than white. Yet we have many that are hero worshipped that are far from that.

I believe that the man has done his time and should be able to once more ply his trade.  Not saying what has happened is/was right.

Would I mind him playing for us? It wouldn't bother me personally.

That wasn't my argument at all, my point was that convicted rapists shouldn't be put on a platform to be worshiped and idolised by youngsters. The role of a professional footballer isn't merely confined to kicking a ball around.

Already have sections supporters chanted 'he's Ched Evans, he shags who wants'. As if this were some big joke.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Your argument was decreeing that all footballers should be whiter than white. Yet we have many that are hero worshipped that are far from that.

I believe that the man has done his time and should be able to once more ply his trade.  Not saying what has happened is/was right.

Would I mind him playing for us? It wouldn't bother me personally.

So then why compare not wanting Ched Evans as a role model to not wanting a Gay/Muslim footballer as a role model?

Quoted from davmariner

Is a website dedicated to freeing Ched Evans really going to present the facts in an impartial, comprehensive and unbiased manner?

Let's not forget this girl had to change her identity twice.

It just doesn't add up for me, personal view, if he's still maintaining his innocence now after he's served his time. Look at the video of her and Clayton going into the hotel room, if she's so drunk she can't remember a thing then i'll eat my hat she looks to be walking fine (in 4 inch heals), I've seen people who have been so drunk that they can't walk/talk due to alcohol and she certainly didn't look like that to me. Again personal view from what I have seen.

Would the ones who do not want to see Evans in a Town shirt,Say at what level who they be happy to see Evans play, ?

Sunday league or not at all,

I thought going to Hartlepool would have been enough extra punishment for him,

Maybe playing non league for us is a bigger punishment.

My view is that he should be able to allowed to resume his career. I don't go with role model issue. People need to be a little less self righteous. (Not saying rape is ok by the way) but it looks like there are two sides to this story. I wonder that if he were a high profile premiership player he would have been back playing already.

I've asked this on previous Evans threads but nobody has ever replied. For those adopting the 'served his time, free to resume his career' argument, presumably you'd say the same if he'd served time for paedophilia?

I don't think this is a simple argument. Honestly, I think he probably should be allowed to resume his career but I wouldn't want Town to sign him.

[) but it looks like there are two sides to this story. [/quote]

ONLY ONE SIDE  GUILTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Quoted from fleabag1970

[) but it looks like there are two sides to this story.

ONLY ONE SIDE  GUILTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  [/quote]
Of course. The judicial system is 100% water tight.
No need to shout either

sorry for shouting but we have to trust the law to do its job

Quoted from davmariner

Is a website dedicated to freeing Ched Evans really going to present the facts in an impartial, comprehensive and unbiased manner?

Let's not forget this girl had to change her identity twice.

As stated elsewhere on the thread none of us here know what went on in court other than he was found guilty of rape. Out of interest was it a unanimous decision or was the verdict in the balance and carried by the majority?

One thing I don't think you can pin on him directly though is the woman changed her identity because of subsequent actions by people who took his side and revealed who she was on social media which he probably didn't instigate

I have read somewhere that the reason he has not I apologised to his victim is because he is still appealing against his conviction.

He has been found guilty and served his sentence, is it right to still persecute an individual after he has served his sentence and stop him from returning to his profession? I am not sure where I sit on this one, I think it very unfair that he is unable to return to his profession after serving his punishment - but without knowing the full facts, I think I would find it difficult to come I to terms with it if my daughter were his victim.

Would there be this much fuss if he were a joiner before he went to prison and was back being a joiner now? I think not, I genuinely believe it is because he is a footballer that all this still follows him.

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Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I've asked this on previous Evans threads but nobody has ever replied. For those adopting the 'served his time, free to resume his career' argument, presumably you'd say the same if he'd served time for paedophilia?

I don't think this is a simple argument. Honestly, I think he probably should be allowed to resume his career but I wouldn't want Town to sign him.

Certainly not a simple argument. And I think the nature of the case  only makes it more unclear. Would I adopt the same attitude for someone convicted of paedophilia? Yes I think I would but I wouldn't like them as an individual and wouldn't be comfortable with them playing for Town, the same as I feel towards Hughes. But part of rehabilitation of criminals is to integrate them back into society and if they want to work in a particular career, are qualified to do so and their convictions don't prevent them doing it, then who am I to be a moral compass and say "No you can work but not this particular job because it's a desirable one"?

Quoted from mariner91

Certainly not a simple argument. And I think the nature of the case  only makes it more unclear. Would I adopt the same attitude for someone convicted of paedophilia? Yes I think I would but I wouldn't like them as an individual and wouldn't be comfortable with them playing for Town, the same as I feel towards Hughes. But part of rehabilitation of criminals is to integrate them back into society and if they want to work in a particular career, are qualified to do so and their convictions don't prevent them doing it, then who am I to be a moral compass and say "No you can work but not this particular job because it's a desirable one"?

I agree with a lot of what you say. There's a massive correlation between umemployment and re-offending with released prisoners. Keeping them out of work doesn't help them or society. The main thing I don't understand is the fact that you say you'd be deeply uncomfortable about us employing Lee Hughes or a paedophile but seem like you'd be much more comfortable with us employing a convicted rapist. I may be wrong but that's just the impression I get from your posts - that you would like us to sign him.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I agree with a lot of what you say. There's a massive correlation between umemployment and re-offending with released prisoners. Keeping them out of work doesn't help them or society. The main thing I don't understand is the fact that you say you'd be deeply uncomfortable about us employing Lee Hughes or a paedophile but seem like you'd be much more comfortable with us employing a convicted rapist. I may be wrong but that's just the impression I get from your posts - that you would like us to sign him.

No I wouldn't be comfortable with it and I'm not advocating signing him because of the trouble it would obviously cause whoever does with their sponsors etc, I wouldn't want that with Town and I feel our national image (Lenny video aside) is fairly bad already. But I do feel he should be allowed to pursue a career in the sport again, I feel it's wrong of people to actively try to prevent him doing the job he used to do when there are no legal reasons stopping him. All this guff about being a role model, Hughes has been playing for the last seven years and I haven't heard of one copycat hit and run by an impressionable child. And it's hardly fame and fortune playing in the lower leagues. As others have said, there wouldn't be this commotion if he was a joiner or binman or pretty much any other profession.

I'd certainly sign him in a heartbeat if his appeal went through though.

He is free to pursue his career but teams and their supporters are also clear to choose not to employ him. I think the whole thing is getting a lot of attention because it relates quite closely to a wider discussion happening at the moment about misogyny, porn featuring violence towards women etc. The fact that you have had people on this board saying she was 'asking for it' and 'fair game' is pretty clear evidence of some horrible attitudes towards women. I think those attitudes at least partly explain why many people don't want to see him stroll back into a well paid job where he is idolised, particularly when he has expressed no contrition at all. I also think Lee Hughes looking for a club when he was released got more attention than you remember.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

He is free to pursue his career but teams and their supporters are also clear to choose not to employ him. I think the whole thing is getting a lot of attention because it relates quite closely to a wider discussion happening at the moment about misogyny, porn featuring violence towards women etc. The fact that you have had people on this board saying she was 'asking for it' and 'fair game' is pretty clear evidence of some horrible attitudes towards women. I think those attitudes at least partly explain why many people don't want to see him stroll back into a well paid job where he is idolised, particularly when he has expressed no contrition at all. I also think Lee Hughes looking for a club when he was released got more attention than you remember.

You're right it may have done, it was almost 8 years ago now. I wonder if Evans came out and expressed remorse and apologised would it have garnered the same reaction from the public? I agree though that there are still some horrible attitudes towards women (as clearly shown by some of the more degenerate posters of this board) and these need to be addressed in society. But I don't believe actively preventing Evans from working in the field he excels in will achieve anything towards that, it just seems a tad vindictive to me from certain quarters.

Sarah Green, a spokeswoman for the campaign group End Violence Against Women Coalition, said: “Ched Evans is an unrepentant convicted rapist. Any club who sign him need to think hard about the message they are sending to their fans, to the local community and to all football supporters.” Would she have said this had he been an excellent binman and was hired by Biffa? Would she have said "this company needs to think about the message they are sending their customers and the local community"? Personally, I doubt it. Equally Town have signed two players in the past five years who were found guilty of ABH, are they saying "We think it's alright to punch people in the street and assault taxi drivers"? Of course not.

Quoted from Cumbrian Mariner

I have read somewhere that the reason he has not I apologised to his victim is because he is still appealing against his conviction.

He has been found guilty and served his sentence, is it right to still persecute an individual after he has served his sentence and stop him from returning to his profession? I am not sure where I sit on this one, I think it very unfair that he is unable to return to his profession after serving his punishment - but without knowing the full facts, I think I would find it difficult to come I to terms with it if my daughter were his victim.

Would there be this much fuss if he were a joiner before he went to prison and was back being a joiner now? I think not, I genuinely believe it is because he is a footballer that all this still follows him.

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Served the time, a few months a couple of years, the victims have the rest of their lives and it effects not only how they treat other people but it also stops them from living a full life. Emotional scars may heal with time but those wounds open up every time they see or hear their tormentors name. This will happen if they make the news on a regular basis.

If he was a joiner, the general public wouldn't know him and he certainly wouldn't be in the news for mortise and tenon joints.

The law courts have the facts, they prosecuted him.  If he manages to clear his name then there will be nothing holding him back from returning to football.

Would be the worse nightmare if Bristol Rovers, Eastleigh or Halifax etc signed him, kiss our playoff chance out the window let alone automatic promotion.

On the other hand if...

Quoted from GTFCNiles

While I'll admit I don't know all the details to the case after looking on his website something just doesn't add up for me. I'm definitely in the he's served his time, let him get on with his life camp. I would have him in a town shirt tomorrow if it got us back into the football league.

I've followed the case very closely and i dont think things add up, but thats my opinion. I'd 100% let him come, even if both parties agreed a deal until the end of the season and if he helps us get promoted and doesn't get any offers from a bigger club resign him

Quoted from lukeo

I've followed the case very closely and i dont think things add up, but thats my opinion. I'd 100% let him come, even if both parties agreed a deal until the end of the season and if he helps us get promoted and doesn't get any offers from a bigger club resign him

There were three people in the room. Two said the woman consented, and one can't remember. There has to be reasonable doubt there surely?  

When you look at the circumstances of the case, there are a number of odd things that just don't add up. Like the woman deleting all the twitter posts she made while supposedly too drunk to know what was going on. The fact that she had a normal chat with the taxi driver on the way to the hotel, the fact that she is clearly walking normally on the CCTV footage as they enter the hotel.  

It will be interesting to see what happens on appeal.

I think the point regarding Ched Evans is that he doesn't acknowledge that he did it despite his conviction. If he truly believes this is the case, before resuming his career in football (a glamourous and extremely well paid one for someone of his abilty), he should pursue the correct appeals channels in order to attempt clearing his name first. When this has either failed or suceeded he can then return to work in his chosen career in the limelight. This would allow true rehabilitation to start. On that basis, it would be acceptable for a football club to sign him. Until he accepts he did it or seeks a seond ruling to clear his name properly or underline his conviction he should not be playing professional football in my opinion.

Quoted from Paris Mariner

I think the point regarding Ched Evans is that he doesn't acknowledge that he did it despite his conviction. If he truly believes this is the case, before resuming his career in football (a glamourous and extremely well paid one for someone of his abilty), he should pursue the correct appeals channels in order to attempt clearing his name first. When this has either failed or suceeded he can then return to work in his chosen career in the limelight. This would allow true rehabilitation to start. On that basis, it would be acceptable for a football club to sign him. Until he accepts he did it or seeks a seond ruling to clear his name properly or underline his conviction he should not be playing professional football in my opinion.

He has been trying to appeal since the verdict was given, the appeal is now being fast tracked I believe. If you had been found guilty of something you believed you had not done, would you show remorse or accept guilt? Football is a short career to put on hold.

Probably gonna get negged for this but...

No way am i condoning what Evans got convicted for. Lets get that straight.

But in our society if you are  convicted and sentenced and serve your time upon your release you are expected to be a law abiding citizen , be rehabilitated, and rejoin society. This involves getting work to rebuild your life and be a better person. Are we saying anyone convicted of a crime can never work again?

Now you could easily argue was the sentence stiff enough? Was it justice for the victim? Some may say no it was not. I would probably agree with them.But it is is what it is.

If he was available i would sign him.

Agreed with Bottesford, he has every right to be rehabilitated and to  resume his career. He is no good to society sat on his backside doing nothing. At least if he goes back to being a footballer he will contribute taxes. And it's not like he's just picking up where he left off either. Had he not been found guilty he might well have been playing in the Premier League now whereas currently not even the worst team in the FL will take him. And he won't receive adulation either, he'll get abuse everywhere time he plays, arguably deservedly. It has damaged his career (rightly so) but now he has served his punishment he should be allowed to resume playing and to make the most of it, that is the model this society works on. Crime then punishment then hopefully rehabilitation. Why should it be different in Evans' case? Whether he has been punished enough is up for debate (I think 5 years for a convicted rapist, serving half that, is unbelievably soft) but that is the punishment the state handed out.

Admittedly it leaves a rather sour taste that he hasn't shown any remorse or contrition and whilst he isn't likely to when he believes he is innocent, he could have taken a more sympathetic stance towards the plight of his victim. However, Hughes hasn't shown any remorse for his actions and is an arrogant pr**k but is allowed to carry on playing.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

He has been trying to appeal since the verdict was given, the appeal is now being fast tracked I believe. If you had been found guilty of something you believed you had not done, would you show remorse or accept guilt? Football is a short career to put on hold.

Perhaps not, I don't know but the fact of the matter is that he hasn't proven otherwise yet and should pursue that before taking up a privilged postion in society. If he wants to work and rehabilihate at the same time, take a normal job and play Sunday football.

Quoted from Paris Mariner

Perhaps not, I don't know but the fact of the matter is that he hasn't proven otherwise yet and should pursue that before taking up a privilged postion in society. If he wants to work and rehabilihate at the same time, take a normal job and play Sunday football.

Would you call playing (potentially) non-league football a privileged position?

Quoted from mariner91

Would you call playing (potentially) non-league football a privileged position?

For GTFC, yes, because I'd say he'd be earning between £700-1000 per week plus bonuses.

Quoted from RonMariner

There were three people in the room. Two said the woman consented, and one can't remember. There has to be reasonable doubt there surely?  

One thing that I find strange is that Evans ' brother and a friend of his were outside the room filming what was going on

Given that the police built a strong enough case to prosecute Evans and get him sent down how come the brother and his accomplice never faced charges as accessories?  

Surely they had a moral responsibility to intervene given what they were witnessing? I could be wrong but by not stopping what was going on means they allowed the situation to go much further than it should have done?

The media have picked there scapegoat in Evans, Hughes wasn't quite high profile enough for them. Those scumbags in the press won't stop until Evans is sweeping the streets.

You do the time, you deserve a shot at a normal life. Just as their colleagues who got done for tapping up dead schoolgirls mobile phones, I wonder when the media excrement storm is coming when they try and get back into normal life? I'd love to see the back tracking if Evans does have his conviction over turned.

Quoted from Paris Mariner

For GTFC, yes, because I'd say he'd be earning between £700-1000 per week plus bonuses.

That's not that much really. And I'm sure there are other professions that earn that much that don't need DBS checks, so hypothetically if he'd done one of those and gone back to doing it after serving his sentence would you still oppose it? Or do we say you've served your sentence for your crime but we'll punish you for the rest of your life by limiting the amount of money you can earn?

Football to a footballer is simply a job. A job in which they have some natural ability to earn a living.

I wasnt aware of a law that stated if found guilty and sentenced for a crime upon your release you can longer do a job which you may be quite good at (and in turn earn what to some would be a decent income) but must instead work a menial job for minimum wages for the rest of your life. I'll stand corrected if that law has been passed and i missed it.

He has lost part of his career and will never reach the heights he maybe could have. Thats a further (deserved) punishment along with his loss of freedom he has served.

Quoted from Paris Mariner

For GTFC, yes, because I'd say he'd be earning between £700-1000 per week plus bonuses.

He's only got about 5 years left now hasn't he? Think he's about 26. He's potentially lost millions, in fact probably lost millions as he was a rising star. Let's not forget, Sheff Utd paid £3m for him. Many posters on here will earn £700-£1000 a week plus, it's good money but not that good when you only have 5 years or so left to save a nest egg.

Quoted from mariner91

That's not that much really. And I'm sure there are other professions that earn that much that don't need DBS checks, so hypothetically if he'd done one of those and gone back to doing it after serving his sentence would you still oppose it? Or do we say you've served your sentence for your crime but we'll punish you for the rest of your life by limiting the amount of money you can earn?

If you needed some work doing in your house, were you live with your good looking and fit wife, and your good looking and fit 18 year old daughter who at times throughout the day are home alone, would you (a) employ a known convicted rapist, who is very good at the job you want doing or (b) employ someone who is nearly as good but who hasn't been convicted of rape.

Obviously the wife and daughter are hypothetical, bear in mind though that nearly 40% of high-risk rapists re-offend within 5 years.

Quoted from pontoonlew

The media have picked there scapegoat in Evans, Hughes wasn't quite high profile enough for them. Those scumbags in the press won't stop until Evans is sweeping the streets.

You do the time, you deserve a shot at a normal life. Just as their colleagues who got done for tapping up dead schoolgirls mobile phones, I wonder when the media excrement storm is coming when they try and get back into normal life? I'd love to see the back tracking if Evans does have his conviction over turned.

Scapegoat? He's a convicted rapist. If Evans conviction is over-turned then he won't be a convicted rapist. Will you be back-tracking if it isn't over-turned?

Again, you'd have  no problem if he was convicted of child sex offences?

Nobody has  come out of this with any degree of innocence,

That includes Clayton, the young lady herself and the ones looking on,

He has served his time and from playing international football and with a fairly big club as his employer,

Playing non league is not a reward but a big come down for him,

So if he wants to come for a 6 month stint,

Let him, I say.

Quoted from Marinerz93

If you needed some work doing in your house, were you live with your good looking and fit wife, and your good looking and fit 18 year old daughter who at times throughout the day are home alone, would you (a) employ a known convicted rapist, who is very good at the job you want doing or (b) employ someone who is nearly as good but who hasn't been convicted of rape.

Obviously the wife and daughter are hypothetical, bear in mind though that nearly 40% of high-risk rapists re-offend within 5 years.

Not a like for like comparison though is it? Evans won't be coming into contact with women on their own as a footballer will he? Irrelevant comparison. That is why there are laws preventing certain people having jobs that will put them in a situation that wouldn't be suitable. The job you are suggesting doesn't come under these laws but it's still completely different to him being a footballer again.

And I highly doubt I'd end up with a good looking wife

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Scapegoat? He's a convicted rapist. If Evans conviction is over-turned then he won't be a convicted rapist. Will you be back-tracking if it isn't over-turned?

Again, you'd have  no problem if he was convicted of child sex offences?

It would all depend on what evidence was in front of us. The evidence at the minute isn't exactly conclusive, is it?

Quoted from mariner91

Not a like for like comparison though is it? Evans won't be coming into contact with women on their own as a footballer will he? Irrelevant comparison. That is why there are laws preventing certain people having jobs that will put them in a situation that wouldn't be suitable. The job you are suggesting doesn't come under these laws but it's still completely different to him being a footballer again.

And I highly doubt I'd end up with a good looking wife

He came into contact with his victim because he is a rich, idolised footballer.  When Town played at Championship level there was always young women around the players, wanna be WAGs.  

If someone like Crouch can land a model all you need is the right lottery ticket  

Quoted from mariner91

That's not that much really. And I'm sure there are other professions that earn that much that don't need DBS checks, so hypothetically if he'd done one of those and gone back to doing it after serving his sentence would you still oppose it? Or do we say you've served your sentence for your crime but we'll punish you for the rest of your life by limiting the amount of money you can earn?

I asked a simple question, would you employ a known convicted rapist who showed no remorse to do work in your house, knowing your wife or daughter would be alone with them at some point, after taking into consideration that 40% of high risk rapists re-offend within 5 years.

Personally I wouldn't, I'd just like to know if you would, a simple yes or no would suffice.

Quoted from Marinerz93

He came into contact with his victim because he is a rich, idolised footballer.  When Town played at Championship level there was always young women around the players, wanna be WAGs.  

If someone like Crouch can land a model all you need is the right lottery ticket  



I asked a simple question, would you employ a known convicted rapist who showed no remorse to do work in your house, knowing your wife or daughter would be alone with them at some point, after taking into consideration that 40% of high risk rapists re-offend within 5 years.

Personally I wouldn't, I'd just like to know if you would, a simple yes or no would suffice.

I would employ him yes but I'd try and make sure they weren't home alone at any point with him. If that was impossible then I wouldn't but that is circumstance dictating it, that's not a condition that would affect him working outright.

Quoted from Marinerz93

Sign a convicted rapist, definitely not, sign someone cleared of rape/criminal offence, yes.

Sign someone who crashed into someone then run away from the scene leaving them to die, never in a million years.

Spot on for me.From reading around though there seems to be a bit of unclarity surrounding the rape and  after reading the evidence Iam not so sure now whether he is a out and out rapist eg judging by what the women was meant to have tweeted soon after the event(and then deleted) eg along the lines of time to get some money out of this but done in a derisory manner and not one of a damaged innocent victim.Interesting to note though that his appeal has been fastracked after a successful plea to review the evidence again.

Quoted from mariner91

I would employ him yes but I'd try and make sure they weren't home alone at any point with him. If that was impossible then I wouldn't but that is circumstance dictating it, that's not a condition that would affect him working outright.

I agree with what you are saying about a condition that wouldn't affect him from working outright or the standard of work.  The problem comes when a high profile person will be invited into company because of their status and people would automatically be at risk.

The reason why I added the part about wife and daughter is that once you invite someone into your company whether it be business or social you  open yourself up to what ever may happen.  In business image is key to success, in social you rely on those in your company not to take advantage or put you at risk.  Some people can not be trusted.

He hasn't cleared his name yet and until that time, he is a convicted rapist who hasn't shown remorse.

Quoted from pontoonlew

It would all depend on what evidence was in front of us. The evidence at the minute isn't exactly conclusive, is it?

That's not what the jury who listened to it all decided.

Should his conviction get overturned there will be a lot of apologies going his way and also a whole host of clubs begging to sign him.

Maybe he has been offered terms with various clubs but has turned them down because he feels the conviction will get thrown out, he will then be able to earn more and potentially play higher up the ladder!

Quoted from topuphere666

Should his conviction get overturned there will be a lot of apologies going his way and also a whole host of clubs begging to sign him.

Maybe he has been offered terms with various clubs but has turned them down because he feels the conviction will get thrown out, he will then be able to earn more and potentially play higher up the ladder!

Why a lot of apologises? He was convicted of the crime by a court of law.

Hypothetical situation anyway, dealing in facts he's currently a convicted rapist and any successful appeal would not doubt be met with a counter appeal. Potentially a long road ahead.

Quoted from Marinerz93

I asked a simple question, would you employ a known convicted rapist who showed no remorse to do work in your house, knowing your wife or daughter would be alone with them at some point, after taking into consideration that 40% of high risk rapists re-offend within 5 years.

Personally I wouldn't, I'd just like to know if you would, a simple yes or no would suffice.

Unless your wife or daughter was completely off their heads with drink ( drugs ) ?

They would be perfectly safe with Evans alone in your house.

Mind your, I here he is a rubbish painter and builder so I would not hire him.

At a higher level I can understand why no one will sign him but at this level someone like forest green rovers or the next big money club with no fans will snap him up and I'm sick of being in this league so let's get him and then hope he's cleared and claim we knew all along

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30662865

Wonder if the vice president met him inside!

soooooooooo why aren't we on the phone to him?

For those interested http://chedevans.com/

Quoted from lukeo

soooooooooo why aren't we on the phone to him?

Because Grimsby Town are like an ancient fallen Knight, who isn't up to the task of been the Champion anymore, who once graced the land beating far superior opponents on the glory of the battlefield one on one.

Rather than gaining formidable power and becoming a so called Black Knight and being disgraced by everyone in England, they would rather wallow in the muddy pig swill cesspit along with the other poor beggars', until they eventually find the Holy Grail or a Tactician who knows how to get out of the league of poor beggars', while being kept alive by the wealthy local merchant, thus keeping thy honour intact.

Ched Evans has been offered a contract by Hibs of Malta,

Hibs of Scotland were quick to say it was not them.

Hibs of Malta are run by one of the only people to have ever failed the FA fit and proper person test. Stephen Vaughan.

I would sign him.

1. He's done his time - he's been punished for his offence but part of having a criminal justice system is allowing people to be rehabilitated and move on with their lives. I don't want to live in a vindictive society that doesnt allow people to move on having already paid the price.

2. I think Lee Hughes and Lee Mcormick crimes were worse than Evans Why is rape a less serious crime than killing two children (Mccormick actually got a longer sentence than Evans). Why is one rule for them and another for Evans?

3. The argument about a danger to women is spurious. Either we allow rapist to work once they are released or we don't. Very few professions will have male only work environments. A non league football team seems to me to be one of the more safer environments anyway with very few women working for the club. Protections can be built into working practices anyway - why would he need to go into to the club offices.

4. We are a non league football club anyway so the pique people should feel about him going into a well payed job is simply not true here. It's not glamarous we played infront  of 300 people away at nuneaton and our bus was late - is this really a glamorous situation?

Quite simply we need a goalscorer to get out of this tinpot league he fits bill and will be cheap and he may make the club some cash in the future if he's found not guilty.

He can't work abroad as he's out on licence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30662865

Quoted from grimsby pete

Ched Evans has been offered a contract by Hibs of Malta,

Hibs of Scotland were quick to say it was not them.

He's not going to be allowed to go to Malta or anywhere else because as a sex offender, the Ministry of Justice won't allow him to go abroad

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30662865

Going to be really difficult for him to carry on in football as things stand unless some club somewhere decides that him being part of their set up is worth the risk of all the negativity that will follow him about...

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

He's not going to be allowed to go to Malta or anywhere else because as a sex offender, the Ministry of Justice won't allow him to go abroad

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30662865

Going to be really difficult for him to carry on in football as things stand unless some club somewhere decides that him being part of their set up is worth the risk of all the negativity that will follow him about...

We better sign him then or he will not get a job anywhere.

I say: Sign him up! He has served his time and should be allowed to work again.

He was set up anyway. Get him signed!!

Looks like Oldham offering him a deal now.

8,000 signitures from Oldham not to sign him... Hurst or Fenty get on the phone FFS. He's exactly what we need. Offer him a chance to play for us until the end of the season. He'll bang loads in and help us with our promotion push and at the same time get his name out their

Dear oh dear

Knowing Grimsby like I do,

If we were about to sign him,

De Freitas would get  20,000 signatures saying we do not want him.

Quoted from Tommy

Looks like Oldham offering him a deal now.

Although there is a petition on the go that is seeking to stop him going there ( which will soon no doubt have 100k signatures or so claiming to have an allegiance to Oldham whereas they could well be the same folk who opposed his return to Sheff Utd)

http://www.independent.co.uk/n.....ng-ever-9957575.html

The more this goes on the slimmer his chances of returning to football and he'll just have to get on with the consequences of his night out looking for an easy lay with his mate(s)

While the media keep on bringing this story and it's aftermath to the fore ( and let's be honest they want it to keep going to sell their papers) Evans' reputation is going to be too much of a risk for any club to consider bringing him in to their fold no matter what he might bring to them in terms of skill, goals and points


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ched-evans-rape-victim-changes-4883888#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Quoted from lukeo

8,000 signitures from Oldham not to sign him... Hurst or Fenty get on the phone FFS. He's exactly what we need. Offer him a chance to play for us until the end of the season. He'll bang loads in and help us with our promotion push and at the same time get his name out their

And what if our gates halved, and Youngs pulled the plug on the sponsorship deal.
Which would cost us an awful lot of money that we can ill afford to lose ?

UTM

Quoted from mariner tommy

And what if our gates halved, and Youngs pulled the plug on the sponsorship deal.
Which would cost us an awful lot of money that we can ill afford to lose ?

UTM

I can almost guarantee if the media weren't so hell bent on denying Evans a single chance at getting back into his work, sponsors and fans would barely bat an eyelid. Just as they didn't with Hughes and King.

I'd forgotten about Marlon King. Two counts of sexual assault and a conviction of ABH against a woman who'd rejected his advances. I'd say he's far more of a threat to women than Evans but again there didn't seem to be much petitioning to stop this guy playing football on his release. And he's got 14 convictions including the sexual assaults!