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Nobody has come out of this with any degree of innocence,
That includes Clayton, the young lady herself and the ones looking on,
He has served his time and from playing international football and with a fairly big club as his employer,
Playing non league is not a reward but a big come down for him,
So if he wants to come for a 6 month stint,
Let him, I say.
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mariner91 |
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If you needed some work doing in your house, were you live with your good looking and fit wife, and your good looking and fit 18 year old daughter who at times throughout the day are home alone, would you (a) employ a known convicted rapist, who is very good at the job you want doing or (b) employ someone who is nearly as good but who hasn't been convicted of rape.
Obviously the wife and daughter are hypothetical, bear in mind though that nearly 40% of high-risk rapists re-offend within 5 years.
Not a like for like comparison though is it? Evans won't be coming into contact with women on their own as a footballer will he? Irrelevant comparison. That is why there are laws preventing certain people having jobs that will put them in a situation that wouldn't be suitable. The job you are suggesting doesn't come under these laws but it's still completely different to him being a footballer again. And I highly doubt I'd end up with a good looking wife
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pontoonlew |
December 25, 2014, 12:01am |
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Scapegoat? He's a convicted rapist. If Evans conviction is over-turned then he won't be a convicted rapist. Will you be back-tracking if it isn't over-turned?
Again, you'd have no problem if he was convicted of child sex offences?
It would all depend on what evidence was in front of us. The evidence at the minute isn't exactly conclusive, is it?
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Marinerz93 |
December 25, 2014, 1:24pm |
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Not a like for like comparison though is it? Evans won't be coming into contact with women on their own as a footballer will he? Irrelevant comparison. That is why there are laws preventing certain people having jobs that will put them in a situation that wouldn't be suitable. The job you are suggesting doesn't come under these laws but it's still completely different to him being a footballer again. And I highly doubt I'd end up with a good looking wife
He came into contact with his victim because he is a rich, idolised footballer. When Town played at Championship level there was always young women around the players, wanna be WAGs. If someone like Crouch can land a model all you need is the right lottery ticket
That's not that much really. And I'm sure there are other professions that earn that much that don't need DBS checks, so hypothetically if he'd done one of those and gone back to doing it after serving his sentence would you still oppose it? Or do we say you've served your sentence for your crime but we'll punish you for the rest of your life by limiting the amount of money you can earn?
I asked a simple question, would you employ a known convicted rapist who showed no remorse to do work in your house, knowing your wife or daughter would be alone with them at some point, after taking into consideration that 40% of high risk rapists re-offend within 5 years. Personally I wouldn't, I'd just like to know if you would, a simple yes or no would suffice.
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mariner91 |
December 25, 2014, 4:38pm |
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He came into contact with his victim because he is a rich, idolised footballer. When Town played at Championship level there was always young women around the players, wanna be WAGs. If someone like Crouch can land a model all you need is the right lottery ticket I asked a simple question, would you employ a known convicted rapist who showed no remorse to do work in your house, knowing your wife or daughter would be alone with them at some point, after taking into consideration that 40% of high risk rapists re-offend within 5 years. Personally I wouldn't, I'd just like to know if you would, a simple yes or no would suffice.
I would employ him yes but I'd try and make sure they weren't home alone at any point with him. If that was impossible then I wouldn't but that is circumstance dictating it, that's not a condition that would affect him working outright.
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December 25, 2014, 4:42pm |
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Sign a convicted rapist, definitely not, sign someone cleared of rape/criminal offence, yes.
Sign someone who crashed into someone then run away from the scene leaving them to die, never in a million years.
Spot on for me.From reading around though there seems to be a bit of unclarity surrounding the rape and after reading the evidence Iam not so sure now whether he is a out and out rapist eg judging by what the women was meant to have tweeted soon after the event(and then deleted) eg along the lines of time to get some money out of this but done in a derisory manner and not one of a damaged innocent victim.Interesting to note though that his appeal has been fastracked after a successful plea to review the evidence again.
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Marinerz93 |
December 25, 2014, 5:46pm |
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I would employ him yes but I'd try and make sure they weren't home alone at any point with him. If that was impossible then I wouldn't but that is circumstance dictating it, that's not a condition that would affect him working outright.
I agree with what you are saying about a condition that wouldn't affect him from working outright or the standard of work. The problem comes when a high profile person will be invited into company because of their status and people would automatically be at risk. The reason why I added the part about wife and daughter is that once you invite someone into your company whether it be business or social you open yourself up to what ever may happen. In business image is key to success, in social you rely on those in your company not to take advantage or put you at risk. Some people can not be trusted. He hasn't cleared his name yet and until that time, he is a convicted rapist who hasn't shown remorse.
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It would all depend on what evidence was in front of us. The evidence at the minute isn't exactly conclusive, is it?
That's not what the jury who listened to it all decided.
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December 26, 2014, 8:17am |
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Should his conviction get overturned there will be a lot of apologies going his way and also a whole host of clubs begging to sign him.
Maybe he has been offered terms with various clubs but has turned them down because he feels the conviction will get thrown out, he will then be able to earn more and potentially play higher up the ladder!
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davmariner |
December 26, 2014, 12:09pm |
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Should his conviction get overturned there will be a lot of apologies going his way and also a whole host of clubs begging to sign him.
Maybe he has been offered terms with various clubs but has turned them down because he feels the conviction will get thrown out, he will then be able to earn more and potentially play higher up the ladder!
Why a lot of apologises? He was convicted of the crime by a court of law. Hypothetical situation anyway, dealing in facts he's currently a convicted rapist and any successful appeal would not doubt be met with a counter appeal. Potentially a long road ahead.
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