So Would You

Quoted from WHYWONTYOULETMESIGNUP

Rape is obviously a terrible terrible crime but having read this

"The trial took place at the Crown Court at Caernarfon in April 2012 before Judge Merfyn Hughes QC and a jury. Evans and McDonald admitted to having sex with the woman, but both denied raping her.[13] Counsel for the prosecution, John Philpotts, stated that the victim, a 19-year-old waitress, was too intoxicated to have consented.[14][15] The court heard that the victim had woken up naked and confused in a double bed with her clothes on the floor and no memory of the incident.[16] Samples taken from the victim at the time showed no alcohol, although the Crown claimed this was due to "elimination".[17] The samples showed traces of cocaine and cannabis, although she denied taking the drugs on the night of the incident.[18] She had drunk two glasses of wine, four double vodkas with lemonade, and a shot of sambuca.[18] As a result, she told police she "felt tipsy but not out of control".[19] The victim claimed to have almost no memory of what happened between leaving a dancing session with friends and waking up the following morning, leading her to believe that her drink had been spiked.[18] The defence stated both men had sex with the woman separately and with her consent, while the prosecution submitted that the pair "targeted" her for sex after she "literally stumbled across their path" and demonstrated herself to be too intoxicated to consent. Two friends of the men were also alleged to have watched and attempted to record the act through a window.[20]"

I feel like the evidence seemed to show that she'd gotten herself into a state where she was completely intoxicated despite saying otherwise, and though it would be wrong for someone to take advantage of that and that would be a crime, I feel like its less of a crime and possibly even a grey area if they had been drinking themselves in a way because if she can be absolved of the responsbility of who she slept with and her lack of judgement why can't they somewhat. I feel like im hashing this but my point is the way the media is treating it and everyone commenting on it like it was a violent crime and it was just what probably happens frequently at clubs every weekend, i've seen girls pushing away men and then kissing them later that night, if they had a better judgement then yeh its a crime but not as serious of a crime as people make out imo seems like a bit of a witch hunt

Quoted from Codswede

Am I right in understanding that she has never actually made any accusation of rape?

Quoted from MarinerWY

This has been lifted straight off Wikipedia, a site which anyone can edit and contribute to. Given the campaign backing Evans and his supporters, I would not take anything other than actual court transcripts as reliable evidence.

You cannot lift things of Wikipedia, there´s a reason why it´s not accepted as a valid source in the academic world. Not saying it´s all false, I´m saying it´s not reliable enough to know if it is or not.

Quoted from WHYWONTYOULETMESIGNUP

I read about it from other sources at the time the verdict was made, was just the quickest source to quote from

Quoted from psgmariner

The world has changed.

Nobody batted an eyelid when we signed Croft. He did time for driving while disqualified, and perverting the course of justice don't forget. There were a few murmurs when we signed previously jailed Liam Hearn but now it seems unlikely we, or any other club, would sign someone who has been in jail. Not sure whether that's progress or not. I agree that those crimes were very different from Ched's but all had the potential to cause harm and ruin people's lives.

Quoted from 2578

she was fair game that night

Quoted from Meza

Tbf everyone's a role as am i to my children.