Striker or not actually

[url]http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Striker-search-burner/story-23171543-detail/story.html[/url]

so we don't need another one at the min according to paul and he is happy with what we have got.

one week he is the next he isn't and after a good result at Wrexham he seems to be ok to "go with what he has got"

his reluctance to spend money which JF has already stated he has will cost us this season, I just cant understand why he wont get one in.

jon paul has just resumed after a month or so out, ross is out of favour and form in the league, lenny (pen) is always the main striker no matter what and young rhys oates is on loan but not what can get us 20 goals..

its also this one week were fine the next he is watching matches to get a striker in , its quite a farce really.

we have 3 strikers one I really rate in pittman but that strikeforce is not going to get us the goals for promotion.

Do you actually read what you link to?

Not word for word but he is saying.

The search will continue but the pressure is off due to Arnold and Pittman returning from injury.

We've actually got 4 strikers...

Quoted from jimgtfc

We've actually got 4 strikers...

Not strictly true is it? We may have got 4 players who can play in central forward positions. To call them strikers implies that they might actually put the ball in the net.

Quoted from jimgtfc

We've actually got 4 strikers...

Hannah, lenny(pen) , pittman.

then oates on loan, we have 3 permanent strikers.

don't class Arnold as he is a winger who can play up front, not an out and out striker.

Ross showed last night , playing with the right partner up front he could score the goals that we saw from him when he first arrived . Unfortunately he isn't ,  you could see the joy on his face when he got the second goal , turned speed bang , dam simple , very effective . Think he was only offside twice all match too .

Quoted from 3610

Do you actually read what you link to?

Not word for word but he is saying.

The search will continue but the pressure is off due to Arnold and Pittman returning from injury.

That's exactly what I got and it makes sense to me!

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Not strictly true is it? We may have got 4 players who can play in central forward positions. To call them strikers implies that they might actually put the ball in the net.

that's a fair point.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

That's exactly what I got and it makes sense to me!

Not to me it does`nt, the lack of another striker will keep us in this league. penny pinching.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

That's exactly what I got and it makes sense to me!

So basically it is the same strikers we started the season with which the majority on here said wont get us the goals we need to get us promotion is now all of a sudden just fine ?

paul was rushing up and down the motorway last week trying to get a striker in but this week because jon paul is back and Nathan has been on the pitch for more than 30 seconds all is fine again.

regardless of who is fit and not we need a striker in who can actually score goals, we have not scored a goal in open play 4 matches   now.

you can twist it how you want but the sane people on here will clearly see we need a striker in now

Quoted from Garth

Not to me it does`nt, the lack of another striker will keep us in this league. penny pinching.

Are you and johnny boy not able to accept what PH says in that he has yet to find a striker to improve on what we have?
You call it penny pinching but when a striker, any striker comes in and you are happy for a while but then when he  doesn't do the business you will then say what a waste of the budget,  PH just can't win.
It sounds as if it is not for the want of trying to get one in but the ones we want are not there. Please TRY and accept this.

Quoted from DocTower

Ross showed last night , playing with the right partner up front he could score the goals that we saw from him when he first arrived . Unfortunately he isn't ,  you could see the joy on his face when he got the second goal , turned speed bang , dam simple , very effective . Think he was only offside twice all match too .

Hopefully PH could see it too!

Quoted from thevera

Are you and johnny boy not able to accept what PH says in that he has yet to find a striker to improve on what we have?
You call it penny pinching but when a striker, any striker comes in and you are happy for a while but then when he  doesn't do the business you will then say what a waste of the budget,  PH just can't win.
It sounds as if it is not for the want of trying to get one in but the ones we want are not there. Please TRY and accept this.

Because strikers to improve what we have will cost that little bit more..

everyone knows a striker who is proven and has the ability to score goals  at our level will cost more than a guy who scores the odd few here and there.

I struggle to see why many don't understand this.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

So basically it is the same strikers we started the season with which the majority on here said wont get us the goals we need to get us promotion is now all of a sudden just fine ?

paul was rushing up and down the motorway last week trying to get a striker in but this week because jon paul is back and Nathan has been on the pitch for more than 30 seconds all is fine again.

regardless of who is fit and not we need a striker in who can actually score goals, we have not scored a goal in open play 4 matches   now.

you can twist it how you want but the sane people on here will clearly see we need a striker in now

Have you read it yet?

Whether I am sane or not is another debate! But the only people twisting stuff here is the telegraph and you

At no point does he say all is fine. In fact he says he is still searching and if the right one (better than we have) becomes available then he will move.

Pittman and Arnold have looked really good so far. Having them available is a massive plus- and therefore makes the situation 'not as worrying' as last week.

To be honest , I can understand why Hurst has put looking for a striker on the back burner,

With Pittman and Arnold both fit ( for the time being )

Plus we must have looked or enquired about every available striker in L2 and below,

We have no one else to look at.

Lets hope one pops up from nowhere in the New Year,

BECAUSE

We are going to need one to get promotion.

Quoted from 3610

Have you read it yet?

Whether I am sane or not is another debate! But the only people twisting stuff here is the telegraph and you

At no point does he say all is fine. In fact he says he is still searching and if the right one (better than we have) becomes available then he will move.

Pittman and Arnold have looked really good so far. Having them available is a massive plus- and therefore makes the situation 'not as worrying' as last week.

Have you actually read what I put ?

I never said paul said all is fine I said the majority on here think all is fine to go with the current strikers we have yet only a few weeks  ago this place was in meltdown with many saying were is our striker we need to get us the goals.

wether players are back or not this team needs a quality striker, its good he is still searching I mean its only been months so another few wont hurt will it ?

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Have you actually read what I put ?

I never said paul said all is fine I said the majority on here think all is fine to go with the current strikers we have yet only a few weeks  ago this place was in meltdown with many saying were is our striker we need to get us the goals.

wether players are back or not this team needs a quality striker, its good he is still searching I mean its only been months so another few wont hurt will it ?

Read your first line of your first thread.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Because strikers to improve what we have will cost that little bit more..

everyone knows a striker who is proven and has the ability to score goals  at our level will cost more than a guy who scores the odd few here and there.

I struggle to see why many don't understand this.

I wouldn't worry about it mate. You've already said you don't go to games anymore anyway

Quoted from gtfc98

I wouldn't worry about it mate. You've already said you don't go to games anymore anyway

yep.

not getting sucked in again.  

Paul Hurst must be praying for an injury free month or so at least for all of the forwards to create competition for places and have a plan B for subbing.

Pittman is a class above and Arnold has shown very brief promise when fit.

Parslow is showing versatility during his loan spell as well, helping the defence at the other end - keeps goals for needed down a bit as well!

Perhaps a search for the elusive forward may move northwards with the knowledge of the new goalie coach?

I seem to remember in the past us making a derisory bid for Andrew Stokes, currently playing for Celtic.

Could a young up and comer from the lower leagues want a contract in this league? Who is there popping goals in?

Has the Doc - Kenny Deuchars retired yet ??

Quoted from jonnyboy82

yep.

not getting sucked in again.  

I understand your frustrations on the striker front though. When I saw that this morning I was disappointed, but for me it just highlights what I said yesterday; the budget isn't there for a striker of the correct calibre. Hence why Paul was forced to bring Oates in for peanuts. Anyone who thinks the budget hasn't been cut from last year is deluded.

I remember Matt Tees coming from Scotland when nobody down here had heard of him,

He became a Legend ,

Lets hope our new coach knows a little gem up there that might become a legend here.

If he scores the goals to get us promoted , Legend is guaranteed .

Quoted from gtfc98

I understand your frustrations on the striker front though. When I saw that this morning I was disappointed, but for me it just highlights what I said yesterday; the budget isn't there for a striker of the correct calibre. Hence why Paul was forced to bring Oates in for peanuts. Anyone who thinks the budget hasn't been cut from last year is deluded.

John has said the money is there for a striker though..

I think the is money there but like you say it will be peanuts compared to what we need to spend on a quality striker established in our league.

oates was bought in to plug a gap and make up the numbers on hardly nowt.

An interview in which he announced 'I am absolutely desperate for a striker' wouldn't put us in the strongest negotiating position when it came to fees and terms.

Quoted from gtfc98

the budget isn't there for a striker of the correct calibre.

It's the $64,000 question.
I'd like to know the answer...

There's a lot of talk about 4-3-3
Perhaps the idea of Neilson and Pittman wide is the reason.
I feel it's gonna boil down to whether LJL & Hannah are good enough in front of goal.
I agree we shouldn't be reactive but equally it's tough to find quality (and fit) players who can jump straight in ahead of them.

What worries me more about this 4-3-3 is who fills in left side of the midfield 3 - we often look short of an attacking outlet left side...
It's good we seem to have players back to go 4-4-2 now.

Quoted from gtfc98

I understand your frustrations on the striker front though. When I saw that this morning I was disappointed, but for me it just highlights what I said yesterday; the budget isn't there for a striker of the correct calibre. Hence why Paul was forced to bring Oates in for peanuts. Anyone who thinks the budget hasn't been cut from last year is deluded.

True enough, the overall budget was down but JF is on record as saying there is money available. In fact there must be because the manager failed to sign a striker in the summer so that money must be still there.

The trouble is that any striker who is in the first team is going to have an inflated price. However, every player does ultimately have a price and as Crawley, Fleetwood and Luton showed, you can sign them if you really want. The supposed 28 enquiries is a bit of a red herring.

The question then is how much this club wants to get promotion isn't it? Is the club willing to risk paying over the odds for the player who would be the missing link with the goals for a promotion push? Apparently the manager isn't willing. He appears to be looking for another journeyman, bargain basement loan striker of similar style and ability to what we have, just to cover injuries & suspensions and hoping for the best.

We won't really know the answer to this until the next transfer window but I think most of us could make a shrewd guess that there will be no hairs standing on end signing even then.

Quoted from thevera

Are you and johnny boy not able to accept what PH says in that he has yet to find a striker to improve on what we have?
You call it penny pinching but when a striker, any striker comes in and you are happy for a while but then when he  doesn't do the business you will then say what a waste of the budget,  PH just can't win.
It sounds as if it is not for the want of trying to get one in but the ones we want are not there. Please TRY and accept this.

No because IMO there are strikers out there that could do a job at GTFC, its  all about opinions you yours and me mine, If you really think that the combination of what we have now will get us promotion without an additional striker,  from what I`ve seen and the goals for column in the last ten matches shouts loudly that we will fail again GTFC PP

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

He appears to be looking for another journeyman, bargain basement loan striker of similar style and ability to what we have, just to cover injuries & suspensions and hoping for the best.

In the absence of someone classy, I'm sure he was looking to cover injuries - who wouldn't ?!
Whether that means the search for the ideal striker is over, I doubt it.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

The question then is how much this club wants to get promotion isn't it? Is the club willing to risk paying over the odds for the player who would be the missing link with the goals for a promotion push? Apparently the manager isn't willing.

Well if I was Hurst (or Fenty), I would be wary about putting ALL my eggs in one basket and spending a whopping fortune on a striker !
What if it eats up all the budget and there's no money left later for injury crisis etc ?
You may well be right about the amount of money available but these are internal matters and I can't accept your logic on blind faith.

And what happens if it doesn't work out ?
I don't mean "waste of money" groans, more the expectation that the money will keep being there again and again.
This "excrement or bust" argument is an interesting one - I can see both sides...
Trouble is, if you "go for it", what do you do later if it doesn't work ?

I may be wrong but get the impression these transfer threads are more to do with Fenty's bankrolling than Hurst's management.
For that reason, I'm keeping well out of club politics, only trying to judge things from Hurst's perspective.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

We won't really know the answer to this until the next transfer window but I think most of us could make a shrewd guess that there will be no hairs standing on end signing even then.

Well if LJL and Hannah are banging them in by then, I won't really care tbh.

Was Anthony Stokes playing for Arsenal, Sunderland or Hibs when we put in a derisory offer for him?

That answers my question in my thread then. He was waiting for those 2 to get fit. We need a goalscorer to trouble the scoring charts if we want to climb to the top. Haven't had one since Hearn.

On the back burner is not actively searching is it?

Also, are there 28 strikers out there that are no improvement on what we have, or did they all knock us back? If so, why?

Quoted from Abdul19

Was Anthony Stokes playing for Arsenal, Sunderland or Hibs when we put in a derisory offer for him?

what is this!?first ive heard......

Quoted from Hagrid

what is this!?first ive heard......

Post 19 (that I forgot to quote). First I'd heard too!

Quoted from Abdul19

Post 19 (that I forgot to quote). First I'd heard too!

ah right cheers mate, not heard this one before!

Quoted from Hagrid

ah right cheers mate, not heard this one before!

Neither has Anthony Stokes.

Quoted from ginnywings

On the back burner is not actively searching is it?

I was suprised when I read that GET headline as I'd only just finished watching the very same interview on MP.

As far as I can guess, Hurst is simply saying finding one isn't as urgent as it was due to injuries returning.
Whether that means it's been put on the "back burner" or not seems a matter of interpretation.

To explain by way of an analogy perhaps it's like...

Last night's win wasn't as urgent (as it was the Lincs cup)
But it didn't mean we weren't trying to acquire the right result...

Stokes - was he at Falkirk at the time - I seem to remember £25,000 as being a bid made?

Sure that better researchers will know better and more accurately than me!

God knows, might've been someone else from Falkirk, not sure?

Stokes was there but on loan from Arsenal - they flogged him for £2m when it finished.

On a similar note, is it true we tried to sign Gary Lineker back in the day?!

Quoted from Abdul19

God knows, might've been someone else from Falkirk, not sure?

Stokes was there but on loan from Arsenal - they flogged him for £2m when it finished.

On a similar note, is it true we tried to sign Gary Lineker back in the day?!

I don't remember that but I seem to recall that Brian Clough tried to sign Dave Boylen.

I think the issue is PH is struggling to get someone in because he doesn't know players. Here lies the problem

?I don't get that?

What do you mean?

How did he come by all those footballers in our squad? Ebay?

Quoted from chaos33

?I don't get that?

What do you mean?

How did he come by all those footballers in our squad? Ebay?

I'm not sure I get it either. Could we organise some kind of speed-dating event with loads of strikers and PH?

All I know is- this clubs fast becoming an embarassment

Because we've tried to sign a striker and haven't? Christ, I think GTFC have suffered slightly more embarrassing things than that.

I must have this wrong and I'm happy to be corrected (on this one occasion) but I thought we were in between transfer windows? Half of these striker threads are on about us buying players or the fact we have money for a striker. We can't buy one at the moment can we?

We're stuck with loan players, who would only be allowed to come by their clubs if they were to play games.

Quoted from Abdul19

God knows, might've been someone else from Falkirk, not sure?

Stokes was there but on loan from Arsenal - they flogged him for £2m when it finished.

On a similar note, is it true we tried to sign Gary Lineker back in the day?!

I think Leicester wanted £80k for Lineker but we had Kev Drinkell at the time and it was deemed that GL was no better than what we had. Think this was referred to in the Geoff Ford book.

To my mind you've either got to go for a costly striker of ruthlessly stick to an affordable budget where you play the youth when your first choice players are unavailable. We seem to do neither. We don't get the top players for the level we're at, but neither do we run a tight ship financially.

Two years ago after we signed Hannah on a "permanent" deal, he was left out of the team and then we brought LJL in (despite him obviously being no better from day one). If I recall we had plenty of forward players at the time, so we'd brought in a squad quality player for no good reason. If Hannah wasn't good enough, why was he brought in permanently? If he was good enough why wasn't he played? It all calls into question the judgement of the management*. Wasted money.

* and I know we had Shouty as well as Shorty then but they always claimed they made decisions jointly.

Quoted from Abdul19

Because we've tried to sign a striker and haven't? Christ, I think GTFC have suffered slightly more embarrassing things than that.

Not just the trying to sign a striker for the last few months......I'm on about the whole thing from top to bottom

Never known things as shambolic as this period,, need a striker, don't need a striker, ah fu.k we do,  nah fu.k it , I'll go with the two crocs I've wasted money on.......

Don't need to go on anymore really do I

Quoted from ackomariner

All I know is- this clubs fast becoming an embarassment

we've been an embarrassment for 10 years!

Quoted from Abdul19

God knows, might've been someone else from Falkirk, not sure?

Stokes was there but on loan from Arsenal - they flogged him for £2m when it finished.

On a similar note, is it true we tried to sign Gary Lineker back in the day?!

I seem to remember we made an approach,

BUT

At the time Lineker was still fairly young and certainly no better than what we had at the time,

I never thought at the time Gary would turn into the goal machine and England star that he later became,

Neither did our manager.

The Lineker thing completely passed me by but I seem to remember us trying to get Paul Mariner from I think Plymouth in the early 80s.

Quoted from ackomariner

Not just the trying to sign a striker for the last few months......I'm on about the whole thing from top to bottom

Never known things as shambolic as this period,, need a striker, don't need a striker, ah fu.k we do,  nah fu.k it , I'll go with the two crocs I've wasted money on.......

Don't need to go on anymore really do I

Still not as embarrassing as losing to Chasetown!

Quoted from grimsby pete

I seem to remember we made an approach,

BUT

At the time Lineker was still fairly young and certainly no better than what we had at the time,

I never thought at the time Gary would turn into the goal machine and England star that he later became,

Neither did our manager.

Cheers Pete, good to know I didn't dream it!

Quoted from grimsby pete

I seem to remember we made an approach,

BUT

At the time Lineker was still fairly young and certainly no better than what we had at the time,

I never thought at the time Gary would turn into the goal machine and England star that he later became,

Neither did our manager.

If he was still a young lad at Leicester today he probably wouldn't be one of the manager's  28+ possibles anyway.

Quoted from ackomariner

Not just the trying to sign a striker for the last few months......I'm on about the whole thing from top to bottom

Never known things as shambolic as this period,, need a striker, don't need a striker, ah fu.k we do,  nah fu.k it , I'll go with the two crocs I've wasted money on.......

Don't need to go on anymore really do I

Everyone knows that crocs are a bit of a risk. They tend to snap into the tackle but are a bit slow on the turn