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MuddyWaters
October 5, 2014, 8:51pm
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My position on this is that right now, we do need the money JF is putting in and I'm grateful for it. But the "benign" loans hang like a millstone around the club's neck and put off any other potential investors. In an ideal world, JF would still put money in but write this money off as a lot of it was spent largely from his incompetence in appointing managers. But that is a world occupied by fairies and talking teddy bears and I realise that it's all well and good to suggest that when it's not my money but the reality is that it would be asking a lot from the bloke.


Take your point but I sometimes feel that GTFC has been someone's hobby horse for the past 10 years and, not financially but emotionally, the fans are paying the price.

Semantically, I don't and never did want the club to go bust or go into admin, but the price tag for any new investor includes the cost of 10 years of one mans follies, how can that be right?
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Take your point but I sometimes feel that GTFC has been someone's hobby horse for the past 10 years and, not financially but emotionally, the fans are paying the price.

Semantically, I don't and never did want the club to go bust or go into admin, but the price tag for any new investor includes the cost of 10 years of one mans follies, how can that be right?


It's a difficult position as I truly don't think it would be fair on a new investor to take on the debt that is caused, one could argue, by the mismanagement of the current board. Someone has to carry the can for that debt and ideally it would be the man who created it but it is a lot of money to just give up, I don't know if I could in that position.

I don't think it's been his hobby horse though. I think JF has always truly wanted the best for the club and that he still does, he is a fan at the end of the day. The problem is, he just isn't a very good chairman/not-chairman.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
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TAGG,

Isn't 2 consecutive top 4 finishes a 'reasonable record?'


No


In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions.
Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them.
GOD
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It's a difficult position as I truly don't think it would be fair on a new investor to take on the debt that is caused, one could argue, by the mismanagement of the current board. Someone has to carry the can for that debt and ideally it would be the man who created it but it is a lot of money to just give up, I don't know if I could in that position.

I don't think it's been his hobby horse though. I think JF has always truly wanted the best for the club and that he still does, he is a fan at the end of the day. The problem is, he just isn't a very good chairman/not-chairman.


Sure, he's a fan, but there are many other fans out there that willingly devote a large percentage of their disposable income on an overvalued product. For instance, did you know that Hull only charged £16 a ticket yesterday?
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Sure, he's a fan, but there are many other fans out there that willingly devote a large percentage of their disposable income on an overvalued product. For instance, did you know that Hull only charged £16 a ticket yesterday?


So If I have this right you want JF to walk and take his loans with him but put more money if for a new manager and competitive team first.
Then get the club to lower prices thus reducing the income further.
cant see us surviving for long on that business plan TBH



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Sure, he's a fan, but there are many other fans out there that willingly devote a large percentage of their disposable income on an overvalued product. For instance, did you know that Hull only charged £16 a ticket yesterday?


To be honest Old Codger I wish he wasn't a fan.

I wish he was a clever team player, detached from this "fan" business (that's our job) and that he had built a great management team around him to preserve/enhance the Clubs status.  

I wish he wasn't so difficult to work with  (allegedly) and had concrete proposals for the new stadium which didn't keep turning to dust every few years, and I wish he had a vision for the type of team/manager we could be proud of.

I wish he didn't want 2 players for the price of one (allegedly) and employed  proper PR people to avoid the cringeworthy interviews.

I wish for a lot, but I aint gonna get any of it because he has wasted a fortune getting us to mid table in Non League, and now no one will touch us with a barge pole because they are waiting for him to extricate himself from the mess he has caused.

In a word we are stuck. The only thing that can save us from being down here for the foreseeable future is for us to stumble on a team or manager or both that do the business despite everything.  

I feel sympathy for the manager(s) because I am sure the phrase "competitive budget" doesn't tell the whole story, but I feel most sorry for the fans who despite everything keep turning up ( me included) because its in our blood.

  
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Sure, he's a fan, but there are many other fans out there that willingly devote a large percentage of their disposable income on an overvalued product. For instance, did you know that Hull only charged £16 a ticket yesterday?


I do think it is over priced for the quality of football and the facilities but our budget would be even lower without it so currently I'm happy to pay that and I'm a student. But it's one thing talking about fans paying £18 a ticket but quite another to suggest another fan writes off £3 million.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
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So If I have this right you want JF to walk and take his loans with him but put more money if for a new manager and competitive team first.
Then get the club to lower prices thus reducing the income further.
cant see us surviving for long on that business plan TBH





No you haven't understood me at all. I want whoever is running the club to decide what they want for the future. What's the greater priority? The legacy? Promotion? The fans? A new stadium? Financial stability? Because I don't think you can reasonably expect to deliver all of the above with our current position on and off the field.
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Sure, he's a fan, but there are many other fans out there that willingly devote a large percentage of their disposable income on an overvalued product. For instance, did you know that Hull only charged £16 a ticket yesterday?


But charged £50 last week.


JESUS AT THE CENTRE
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Sure, he's a fan, but there are many other fans out there that willingly devote a large percentage of their disposable income on an overvalued product. For instance, did you know that Hull only charged £16 a ticket yesterday?


Does this mean you are considering taking your money there, so Hull becomes your club, leaving GTFC to Fenty?
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