Goodbye Hurst

Quoted from GrimRob

Actually if you read the book Soccernomics (mandatory reading for anyone with an interest in football) then I think it proves that sacking managers is largely a futile exercise. Results before and after are largely the same on average if I recall the chapter. Of course there  are occasions when it appears to work but these are offset by the ones that don't. The fact that managers are just cycled around different clubs and all sacked multiple times is testament to the pointlessness of the whole exercise, which is done largely by nervous boards to appease fickle supporters.

PH didn't fail last April/May and he won't fail if we reach the top 5 again - whatever happens.

Maybe in your world a failed playoff will be a success Rob. In mine it feels very much like a failure. You can't measure everything with cost/benefit analysis, especially in football. That's why we love it.



On the subject of failures, managers who didn't succeed at one club can do well at another. It is horses for courses a lot of time. Look at Buckley for example with WBA and Grimsby.

Paddy Hamilton saw something in the manager sacked by Doncaster that Grimsby Town needed and he appointed McMenemy.

It is possible PH could do well elsewhere (personally I doubt that) and it is possible someone could come here after being sacked and get us promoted. This is of course down to JF and his judgment of candidates. Doesn't look too good for us whichever way he turns does it?

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

I am in the Hurst out brigade & found it interesting that a comment made by Macca was how the players came out to a flat atmosphere on Tuesday. IMO this is areflection of how divided the fans are to PH and the fact that there is no real expectation, just hope, that we will be going to witness an entertaining performance.

Nothing to do with the point you made but personally I don't give a stuff how Macca or any of the team and management feel about the crowd and the atmosphere. This lot have worn out the old adage of a good crowd, worth a goal, making a fortress, intimidation etc. They're just f******g useless at times and no crowd however large or vocal can stop that.

This league soon teaches you one thing, crowds don't matter. Mills has got by at Gateshead with meagre attendances, and as Tuesday showed we not only lose to 20 away fans but put in gutless, dire displays despite banging the drum for support in the paper the night before.

It should also be added to the "change the manager debate" that in this league you can have money, a very good team, great results and still not get promoted.  Wrexham got 99 points recently and missed out on automatic promotion and the play-offs.  They are still in the same division as us.

Quoted from Garth

Wash your mouth out  Pete,  Buckley came out of retirement for the good of the club and should not be grouped with those failures

That was not the point I was making Garth,

The point, which I explained better in my second post was,

Get the sack from Grimsby and you will not get another job elsewhere,

Alan Buckley was the best manager this club  ever had, I was not saying he was a failure,

We know Hurst reads the Fishy, just giving a nudge on what the future awaits if he does not get his act together.

Quoted from grimsby pete

That was not the point I was making Garth,

The point, which I explained better in my second post was,

Get the sack from Grimsby and you will not get another job elsewhere,

Alan Buckley was the best manager this club  ever had, I was not saying he was a failure,

We know Hurst reads the Fishy, just giving a nudge on what the future awaits if he does not get his act together.

Shankly was sacked by Grimsby wasnt he?
Brian Laws?
Lennie Lawrence went to Cardiff?
Buckley has several jobs between his various spells with Town, and as others have stated when he was sacked the third time he was effectively retired

I think Shankly left of his own accord.

Lennie Lawrence was sacked (and rightfully so, as he was hopeless for us), but got a new job almost immediately.

Don't think it was too long before Laws got his job at Scunny after leaving, was it?

Quoted from biggles9999

Shankly was sacked by Grimsby wasnt he?
Brian Laws?
Lennie Lawrence went to Cardiff?
Buckley has several jobs between his various spells with Town, and as others have stated when he was sacked the third time he was effectively retired

Paul Groves and Bournemouth (for about 7 minutes)

Quoted from Abdul19

Paul Groves and Bournemouth (for about 7 minutes)

In fairness to Groves he went on to have a decent spell as a Premiership coach after being sacked by us.

In the end appointing managers is something of a lottery shown by the frequency of sackings at all levels. With regard to the atmosphere on Tuesday, I have to admit I went fearing the worst, probably because we have seen so many of these type of games end in disappointment. Perhaps the team felt a bit like that too and this should not be. To be successful it needs everyone, players, management and fans to be positive and confident of a good outcome. I am more positive about Sat's away game than I am sometimes going to home games, again that should not be so.

Quoted from GrimRob

If we finish in the top 5 every year it's only a matter of time before we get promoted. Obviously if we get in the top 5 we're good enough to win the play-offs, every team in the top 5 is.
We its obvious were not good enough to win the play offs because the last time I looked we were still a non-league team

Don't see why I am a snob for recommending a book. The chapter is called something like "Does the Manager Matter: The Myth of the White Messiah".. I think sacking PH now would be a classic case of replacing someone for the sake of it and the absurd thing is he'd walk into another job elsewhere because of his record here.

Well its obvious were not good enough to win the play offs because the last time I looked we were still a non-league team.

You are a football snob. You didn't recommend a book,  you informed people that you read books about football that the vast majority of fans would never come anywhere near.
Another reason you quoted this book was to say 'look at me I read books with chapters like "Does the Manager Matter: The Myth of the White Messiah"..   unlike you plebs and this book says I'm right about this subject''

Name me one post on here or anywhere else where someone says they want Hurst out "for the sake of it"???