Hurst's record

Just to add to the discussion - this is Paul Hurst's record since taking solo charge of Town (all competitions):

P 63   W 29   D 18   L 16   F 101   A 64   GD 37

Win rate: 46%

Points per game: 1.66 (which equates to 76.6 pts over 46 games)

Do those stats mean much ? There's a very fine line between success and failure in football , hero to zero in a week .

It shows he's a steady decent manager but 0.5 points a game short of challenging for automatic promotion. He'll probably get us in the play offs again but we lack the cutting edge to consistently be challenging at the top.

Russell Slade was only 39%, Buckley 40%, 38%, 34% in each time he was here.  I've got them all saved in pie charts for every manager.

We should be challenging for 1st position, especially after being in this league for 4 years.

We get 4 times the gates of the majority of teams in this league, that's without doing very good in which are gates could easily get into the 4,000 - 5000+ bracket.

Why should we have to settle with scraping into the play offs?

It shows we shouldn't sack him but that someone should have a word about starting Disley. Disley is good, and could be good to bring on for last 20 minutes when we need to see a game out but he lacks the pace now to offer a real contribution from central midfield over 90 minutes. The results since the two games he sat out have shown that. Hurst needs to be brave and realise this.

I don't agree with the sack Hurst chatter - it took Luton (with a huge budget) 5 seasons to get out of this league. We've only lost 2 matches, we have a good goal difference and and a decent squad overall.

Onwards and upwards. As it's Scottish referendum week, the phrase 'unity is strength' applies very much to the United Kingdom and everyone at GTFC. BP is a difficult place to come to when we're all behind the team and they're on fire. Onwards and upwards.

UTM

But Luton got out after repeatedly sacking managers and not sticking with ones who were not delivering.

Quoted from Paris Mariner

It shows we shouldn't sack him but that someone should have a word about starting Disley. Disley is good, and could be good to bring on for last 20 minutes when we need to see a game out but he lacks the pace now to offer a real contribution from central midfield over 90 minutes. The results since the two games he sat out have shown that. Hurst needs to be brave and realise this.

I don't agree with the sack Hurst chatter - it took Luton (with a huge budget) 5 seasons to get out of this league. We've only lost 2 matches, we have a good goal difference and and a decent squad overall.

Onwards and upwards. As it's Scottish referendum week, the phrase 'unity is strength' applies very much to the United Kingdom and everyone at GTFC. BP is a difficult place to come to when we're all behind the team and they're on fire. Onwards and upwards.

UTM

Sorry to be pedantic but 3 defeats from our last four games  

Quoted from Paris Mariner

We've only lost 2 matches, we have a good goal difference and and a decent squad overall.

Three losses, unfortunately.  

We've certainly been unlucky this season with injuries - when was the last time you remember a player getting a broken shin from a kick, for example, or having all of your wingers injured at the start of the season?

Having just three strikers on the book was a bad mistake, however, and it is coming back to bite us on the backside now. I can only imagine that after all the targets for permanent signings fell through, Hurst thought we could get by without any more signings until the loan window opened. Unfortunate that all these injuries have come at once (and Arnold still isn't apparently available), but these things happen in football and it could cost us badly.

Sorry, yeah, I forgot about Aldershot, which was LJL's fault in my opinion getting a stupid sending off so early on.

Either way, I think overall he's done a decent job. He's also had his budget cut by £100,000 this season.

My main criticism of him is that at set plays we are very uninventive and he leaves substitutions too late.

Quoted from DocTower

Do those stats mean much ?

Yes! It's the single most relevant stat to his ability as manager.

Quoted from Paris Mariner

My main criticism of him is that at set plays we are very uninventive and he leaves substitutions too late.

It would help if the player taking our corners could beat the first bloody man, that's for sure!

As usual this season, it doesn't seem we've got anybody who can put in a decent corner and it is so frustrating when we have two big central defenders up in the box.

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

Yes! It's the single most relevant stat to his ability as manager.

The only stat that matters is which league are we in.

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

Yes! It's the single most relevant stat to his ability as manager.

You can do anything with stats , look at them which way you want . As it stands either way Hurst is our manager dealing with our  unprecedented injury problem trying to bring anyone who is willing to come . The highs and lows of watching Town , never a bored moment .

Quoted from Paris Mariner

It shows we shouldn't sack him but that someone should have a word about starting Disley. Disley is good, and could be good to bring on for last 20 minutes when we need to see a game out but he lacks the pace now to offer a real contribution from central midfield over 90 minutes. The results since the two games he sat out have shown that. Hurst needs to be brave and realise this.

I don't agree with the sack Hurst chatter - it took Luton (with a huge budget) 5 seasons to get out of this league. We've only lost 2 matches, we have a good goal difference and and a decent squad overall.

Onwards and upwards. As it's Scottish referendum week, the phrase 'unity is strength' applies very much to the United Kingdom and everyone at GTFC. BP is a difficult place to come to when we're all behind the team and they're on fire. Onwards and upwards.

UTM

Let me get this right, you don't think we should sack Paul Hurst but should tell him how to manage the team.

Quoted from arryarryarry

The only stat that matters is which league are we in.

Well, no, not really. Being in the conference is not a statistic.
It doesn't change during the season and even at the end of the season it's not a very useful measure if finishing 5th bottom and losing the play off final are indistinguishable.

Quoted from RichMariner

Just to add to the discussion - this is Paul Hurst's record since taking solo charge of Town (all competitions):

P 63   W 29   D 18   L 16   F 101   A 64   GD 37

Win rate: 46%

Points per game: 1.66 (which equates to 76.6 pts over 46 games)

Big problem!!!

First 31 games. P 31. W 17.  D 7. L 7

Last 32 games 2014. P 32. W 12. D 11. L 9

Looks a lot worse now.   And its now his team.

Assuming your stats for 63 games are accurate....

What's it like without cup games (which aren't relevant to league form)?

Last 32 games is league only, not sure about the 63 total.....

Stats do not prove anything.  You have to take account of resources made available, the quality of the opposition and the league that we are in.

Even at 76 points (as quoted above) would only get us into the playoffs by 0.2 of a point.  

We have made the playoffs twice and been well-beaten each time at the first hurdle.

The stats from Sat were very even across the board.  Anyone who was there would know that we we had lost the game before HT.

With our playing resources and potential, we should be playing better and getting better results consistently.  We are not doing so.  The manager has to take the largest share of the blame for this.

(Statistically, over the last 3 season, you can make a case that after playing Lincoln we only drift along to the end of the season).  

Quoted from Paris Mariner

Either way, I think overall he's done a decent job. He's also had his budget cut by £100,000 this season.

He'll have it cut again if gates drop  

The only person available with a better record in this division is probably Rob  Scott  

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

Well, no, not really. Being in the conference is not a statistic.
It doesn't change during the season and even at the end of the season it's not a very useful measure if finishing 5th bottom and losing the play off final are indistinguishable.

Of course it can be.

Let's take a sample of where Grimsby Town have finished in the football pyramid under John Fenty's tenure.

It won't be nice reading but would show a steep decline flowing into a flatline.

If I could add a graph I would show you

Quoted from arryarryarry

Of course it can be.

Let's take a sample of where Grimsby Town have finished in the football pyramid under John Fenty's tenure.

It won't be nice reading but would show a steep decline flowing into a flatline.

If I could add a graph I would show you

Talking of whom, he's been very quiet on here of late.

Quoted from GrimRob

The only person available with a better record in this division is probably Rob  Scott  

How about someone whose available with 71%, 50%, 47% win ratio in the Conference Premier who is available.  

Quoted from Abdul19

What's it like without cup games (which aren't relevant to league form)?

PH record last season in the league

P 40 W 19 D 11 L 10 F 57 A 40

then there are the two Gateshead play off games if you want to include them in a season total

P 42 W 19 D 12 L 11 F 59 A 44

This season so far

P 9 W 3 D 3 L 3 F 19 A 9

That gives an overall

P 51 W 22 D 15 L 14 F 78 A 53


Points per game: 1.59 (which equates to more or less 73 pts over 46 games)

Make of that what you will...a 43% win record is not that bad but is it good enough? The jury's out....

Cheers FOOW.

1.588 points per game, which would be 73 for the season - not enough for 5th in any of our Conference seasons.

Quoted from Abdul19

Cheers FOOW.

1.588 points per game, which would be 73 for the season - not enough for 5th in any of our Conference seasons.

That's how I was thinking too -

And too many draws in there you'd say for us to have been considered anywhere close to the automatic promotion spot and this season looks mighty like it will be more of the same unless we go on a Mansfield style run at some point

Quoted from arryarryarry

Let me get this right, you don't think we should sack Paul Hurst but should tell him how to manage the team.

Clearly, I'm not saying I should manage the team. I'm simply offering my opinion on where I think he could be criticised. That's what forums are about - voicing opinions, sharing them, debating them.

Quoted from Paris Mariner

Clearly, I'm not saying I should manage the team. I'm simply offering my opinion on where I think he could be criticised. That's what forums are about - voicing opinions, sharing them, debating them.

Like a quote I read in a SAS book a while back    "opinions  are like arseholes we all have them".

Quoted from Rick12

Like a quote I read in a SAS book a while back    "opinions  are like arseholes we all have them".

And some of them are shitty.  

Quoted from Paris Mariner

Clearly, I'm not saying I should manage the team. I'm simply offering my opinion on where I think he could be criticised. That's what forums are about - voicing opinions, sharing them, debating them.

Erm I didn't actually say you should tell him, and you weren't making a criticism you stated someone should tell him about Disley so who?

"but that someone should have a word about starting Disley"

Were you expecting John Fenty to do it as I would expect any manager to tell the chairman to F.O. if he came along and told him how to manage his team.

Quoted from Maringer

And some of them are shitty.  

Your not wrong