Try to keep the negativity away now??

Fully appreciate that point chaos.

However will past fortunes always be the recurring theme after every setback THIS season ?
Even though it's a clean slate, new squad, fresh hope etc ?

It's often been said "Fans needs something to feed off from the players".
Fully appreciate the point. (we all know it's true !)
But it also works the other way too ?

Not saying it's always easy by any means, but surely the bottom line is there's nothing to stop fans offering as much support, making as much noise as they like or trying to feel more upbeat if they really want be. (again not saying it's easy but it can be done if you desire it !)

Irrespective of results and performances, surely you can see the connection between more supportive fans (in tougher times) and an even better chance of success through that support ?...

Perhaps you or others may consider my own view to be so called "happy clapper" or "low expectations" speak.
But for me, it's not a case of club loyalty, applauding perceived unwanted outcomes or personal lack of ambition at all !

Put it this way...
I'm not gonna start clapping if a Town player misses an open goal.
But I might decide to make another conscious effort to support even harder if the team's then in need of any extra support the most.
Like I said, it's not always easy but it's certainly do-able !

Sure no-one enjoys or applauds past near misses.
We just have to move on and make the best of all our opportunities IMO.

No mate, I'm not going to consider your view to be 'happy clapper'.  
I haven't really got a strong view on this, but think that context is everything really. I can't explain the actions of ours (or anyone else's) fans at games or on a message board. Each club has its supporters of varying ages and they will have all endured certain amounts of success and failure. I think I'm generally of the opinion that Town are very lucky to have the level of support they do, even though this inevitably means that there will be a small proportion of abusive, moaning types. I believe that the majority are fair minded, committed, enthusiastic and exceedingly patient.  

As for the notion that positive supporters give you a greater chance of success - I don't know really. I suppose they do. I've never really thought of it in those terms. I've never thought, having endured yet another performance flop - if only our fans were more positive and vocal we'd have won that game. I know that you made the point the other day about Dover's fans giving them great backing, and JF makes his point about Gateshead fans, and that's all fair enough - I just think it's easy to make generalisations. Their fan 'positivity' didn't help either team to beat us though did it.

Comparing the relative joys of following Dover or Gateshead - teams with absolutely no football league pedigree isn't really very meaningful to me. Town fans have been quiet in the first two home games; easy to understand to a point given that we really didn't offer very much in the way of entertainment, but the supporters have responded positively when they have seen the players playing with method, skill, pace etc - aspects we've seen very little of in recent times.

Quoted from chaos33

No mate, I'm not going to consider your view to be 'happy clapper'.  
I haven't really got a strong view on this, but think that context is everything really. I can't explain the actions of ours (or anyone else's) fans at games or on a message board. Each club has its supporters of varying ages and they will have all endured certain amounts of success and failure. I think I'm generally of the opinion that Town are very lucky to have the level of support they do, even though this inevitably means that there will be a small proportion of abusive, moaning types. I believe that the majority are fair minded, committed, enthusiastic and exceedingly patient.  

As for the notion that positive supporters give you a greater chance of success - I don't know really. I suppose they do. I've never really thought of it in those terms. I've never thought, having endured yet another performance flop - if only our fans were more positive and vocal we'd have won that game. I know that you made the point the other day about Dover's fans giving them great backing, and JF makes his point about Gateshead fans, and that's all fair enough - I just think it's easy to make generalisations. Comparing the relative joys of following Dover or Gateshead - teams with absolutely no football league pedigree isn't really very meaningful to me. Town fans have been quiet in the first two home games; easy to understand to a point given that we really didn't offer very much in the way of entertainment, but the supporters have respondded positively when they have seen the players playing with method, skill, pace etc - aspects we've seen very little of in recent times.

Over the last few years I think Fenty has had a point about Negativity but right now I'm not sure.

I don't think Dover fans positivity will their penalty to go and in the Heeds fans positivity for the whole game didn't turn the result around in their favour. If we had remained positive for the whole of Woods reign would we have become world beater?  No I don;t think so.

I do think Fenty means more generally that players don't feel fans are getting on heir backs, don't make as many mistakes due to it etc and therefore as a law of averages more results go your way.....

I think the 2 results over the weekend have been amazing and the club as a whole needs congratulating. I must admiit after the start to this season resembled the last two whole seasons I still feel it too early to be swept away by the 2 games.

I really do hope this is the point where we start beating teams week in week out, comfortably.

Interesting that the goals have coincided with our defence looking shakier.......DON'T tighten it up Paul!!! LOL

Yep points taken chaos, I see where you're coming from and think you make some good points.

Especially

Quoted from chaos33

I can't explain the actions of ours (or anyone else's) fans at games or on a message board.

Always worth remembering if we expect others to always be like ourselves.

tbh I'm not gonna comment in terms of "postive/negative", not sure it's particularly relevant to my view.

Bottom line for me...  

If fans are feeling a little cheesed off yet STILL manage to raise their voices or put their hands together as much as they can to support the team in those doubtful/trying moments then much respect and credit to them for helping the promotion cause, it's one big thank you and thumbs up in my book.

Yep. Agreed.

Quoted from mariner2000

Over the last few years I think Fenty has had a point about Negativity but right now I'm not sure.

Interesting, I'm vice versa now lol.

Quoted from mariner2000

I don't think Dover fans positivity will their penalty to go and in the Heeds fans positivity for the whole game didn't turn the result around in their favour. If we had remained positive for the whole of Woods reign would we have become world beater?  No I don;t think so.

Point taken about the pen but would still argue Dover's fans (and ours) may well have had some small effect on the outcome of a tight match though - if Dover hadn't supported as much and we had had done more, it may well have been different IMO.
Same as how fans on Saturday really helped inspire the team to a drubbing where they were relatively much quieter at home before. (you could just FEEL a better atmosphere at BP on Monday !)

Obviously a large chunk boils down the players and Gateshead's players were short on the day.
But for me, support is always valuable and always gives you the best chance of success.

Quoted from 120797

Interesting, I'm vice versa now lol.


Point taken about the pen but would still argue Dover's fans (and ours) may well have had some small effect on the outcome of a tight match though - if Dover hadn't supported as much and we had had done more, it may well have been different IMO.
Same as how fans on Saturday really helped inspire the team to a drubbing where they were relatively much quieter at home before. (you could just FEEL a better atmosphere at BP on Monday !)

Obviously a large chunk boils down the players and Gateshead's players were short on the day.
But for me, support is always valuable and always gives you the best chance of success.

Your points are kind of supported by the fact that the alfreton keeper totally collapsed under the pressure of the crowd on Monday. He was a you ngster and completely lost his head in goal. 3/4 consecutive goal kicks went out of play into the main stand. Yes it was windy but the pressure definitely got to him and the whole of BP could see it.

The crowd certainly have an effect on the players both positively and negatively.

Exactly mate !
Was thinking the same at the time so joined in when he was taking the goal kicks.
Felt sorry for the young lad (and Alfretons fans) when the final whistle went though !

They might have to get used to it this season!

No seriously, of course it's easy to feel sorry for them. We've all been there, seen it, felt it.

What we all have to realise is we will have some disappointing draws and defeats before the end of the season,

BUT

We all know what our team are capable of now,

So lets all get behind the team all of the time regardless of the result,

Then we will get our just rewards,

CHAMPIONS