burton just wont go away

Quoted from flash1

me for one is just about getting fed up of the treatment that genuine town fans get  on their travels and as much as i dont want to dig up old terriortry,,but i,m affraid old habits die hard and its possible a few people might come out of retirement if ever the occasion arises again where town fans are getting mis treated!

I would love to see Doddsy have his smug smirk wiped from his face, not in a violent way though, just thought I'd clarify that  

Sorry, are people defending the students?

Students are some of the most annoying people on the planet, they tend to be self-absorbed, pretentious and even worst than that, socialists. What an ignorant and ill informed comment! Go and research students, not all are hippies, some work bloody hard when studying....though I didn't back from 2000-2003, also I was in favour of the Iraq war!

Possibly ignorant and ill informed, but I do know a few students and have met a great number, the ones I've met (including some friends) are self-absorbed, pretentious socialists. Some do work hard, most of them p*ss their money up the wall. I have a number of friends who have been to uni and p*ssed all the money up the wall and contributed nothing, many now work menial jobs doing things completely unrelated to their degrees  but have spent a good portion of their lives basically "dossing". Anyway, a little bit of stereotyping never hurt did it? The students are accusing everyone who doesn't agree with them of being posh, tories. At least I didn't call them soap dodgers ...

They're all over the media at the minute (in particular that ...great lover of socialism the BBC) whining about how hard done by they are. They bang on about education being their "right" and yes, they are almost correct but while they have the right to education further education ie: college or university is not a right. Though a jump from £3000 up to £9000 is extreme don't you think?

That is extreme but that is a figure which has been as far as I know plucked out of the air by the media there is "potential" that fees could rise to 9k just like there is "potential" that town will get automatic promotion. Anyway, 9k for a degree which would allow potential earnings for people to be in excess of 60k a year ... doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. It won't affect those that really want a degree, they'll work for it and they'll be the ones who will get jobs and pay it back, this will have more effect on those that see further eductaion as a holiday ... why should I pay for someone's 4 year holiday?


Our little piece of the world is in the sh*t, Public services are being cut, the police force, the NHS, the fire service are facing cuts, the MOD are having MASSIVE cuts, the Nimrod's have been mothballed, the harriers retired early arc royal is now scrap metal. What makes the students think that they should be saved from cuts or that they shouldn't have any sort of austerity measures like the rest of us face? I don't think the majority of students don't expect to avoid cuts, they are just annoyed at the huge increase to their fees they may have to pay  back!. Also the Armed forces have wasted MILLIONS of pounds over the past few years, watch/read the news today!


I did watch/read the news it was full of crying protesters, I'd rather we spent money on having a defence system I'd rather we had arc royal and some harriers at least until we get the new carrier and some raptors, I'd rather funding went to the MOD than to students I'd rather our front line troops had decent equipment. So the students have to pay more back, I'd rather they pay for their own eduction rather than I did. I work hard for my money, selfish, maybe but I want to keep it and once these students have their degrees then their earning powers should be such that they can afford to pay it back



Even if I did support their cause (which, blatantly, I don't) is daubing graffiti over a memorial to Churchill necessary? Does attacking a car carrying the next king of the England while chanting "Tory scum" (erm, are the royals conservative? Or are the soap dodgers confusing being Tory and being rich again?) and "off with their heads" help the cause? Is attacking police officers a legitimate way of protesting? I agree some of them were clearly hi-jackimng the protests and others were just criminals, for the defacing of war monuments and attacking Royals, I would like these baffoons hung for treason!



Once you attack police, throw items and generally act like a complete Neanderthal how do you expect those police officers act? Everyone has the right to peacefully protest, what they were doing was not peaceful so get off the TV and stop complaining that the police reacted in kind. Come on the police are not halo shining angels are they, didn't a few, allegedly attack a protester in a wheel chair? Who listens to peaceful protests? Would the Government?


Allegedly being the key word here, so far we have only heard his version of events, police have to be and are accountable, an enquiry has been launched and we'll find out about that incident. I just fail to see how the riots, as that is what they were can be defended in anyway rioting will not solve anything and if anything does nothing but weaken the cause

Not saying I condone the actions before you start, I am just debating your comments!

No, that's fine its a discussion forum and we're having a discussion - I like that, we're supposed to have a different opinion what's the point in posting if everyone feels the same? ... anyway it's done wonders for my reputation score.

Quoted from darren9

and we're having a discussion - I like that, we're supposed to have a different opinion what's the point in posting if everyone feels the same?

One with no abuse or angry remarks......it feels so wrong doing this on The Fishy......now where are the advertising hoardings I need to kick to get nicked  

I do honestly feel there will be more protestest for other groups, as the country is out of control and people have had enough of those at the top (this and former governments) taking the urine and expecting us to pay up, it doesn't wash and it has to change!

This system which the students are apparently so mad about would, if it had been in place when I graduated, mean I hadn't paid back a single penny in six and a half years compared to the cash I have paid back. These ill-informed turds haven't read the policy.

Quoted from EY Mariner

This system which the students are apparently so mad about would, if it had been in place when I graduated, mean I hadn't paid back a single penny in six and a half years compared to the cash I have paid back. These ill-informed turds haven't read the policy.

Believe it or not, some of us have  

Yours,

A. Illinformedturd.

Quoted from EY Mariner

This system which the students are apparently so mad about would, if it had been in place when I graduated, mean I hadn't paid back a single penny in six and a half years compared to the cash I have paid back. These ill-informed turds haven't read the policy.

As much as I would like to see the offenders in the riots hung, drawn and quartered.  Then dug up and hung, drawn and quartered again, I don't think they represent the vast majority of Students.  It annoys me that these protests take place.  You get an education that (hopefully) leads to a well paid job.  Thus enabling you to pay back for the education you have had.  If you don't get a decent job, yo don't pay it back.  Seems like a bargain to me.  However, the beauty of this country is the folk do have the right to protest PEACEFULLY if they so wish.  But any demonstration (either right or left) pretty much gets hijacked by the lunatic fringe.  Don't ban demonstations, just HAMMER MERCILESSLY those that abuse the privilage.  And just for the record, I have condemned (and still do) those damaging hoardings at Burton, but no-one will convince me the morons that desecrated the war memorial are not far bigger scum than the Burton lot.

Quoted from biggles9999

Or it could be that they did more on the day than bog standard pitch encroachment? Just a thought mind.

Well i suppose a first time offender could get such a penalty for one of the higher assault charges against a member of the public or a bog standard assault on a PC.
Cant recall any reports of supporters clashing so i guess its down to violence against the constabulary.....my dear Watson.

Quoted from moosey_club

Well i suppose a first time offender could get such a penalty for one of the higher assault charges against a member of the public or a bog standard assault on a PC.
Cant recall any reports of supporters clashing so i guess its down to violence against the constabulary.....my dear Watson.

In which case, I look forward to many of those "student protesters" spending similar time at Her Majesty's Pleasure. !!!

What everyone seems to forget with student loans is that while not being paid back they accrue interest and if someone does not get to the pay back threshhold for say 10 yrs after they graduate they could be paying it back for 20 yrs. Its alright the politicians coming up with these ideas, but they got there Uni ed for free and also had taxpayers money to spend on beer in the form of grants.  

here's the linky thingy


http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/Four-football-fans-jailed-after-drunken-thuggery.htm