We have seen Town play different formations using different players with mixed results.

So what is the way forward ?

My view is I would be happy if MJ plays the same formation he used at Cambridge at away games but he can not do that when at home.
If he let the opposition have 70% of the ball at home the fans will soon drop off .

Wright and Robson have been unfit for the last few games so they might make a difference myself I would put them in if fit but I would also like to see Ogbu in for Hanson.
I must say Hanson has done nothing wrong and works hard but the service he has received has been very poor and when he does get a ball on his head there is not a town player anywhere near him most of the time.
Playing Moses in that role for a while might make us play more on the ground he is better holding the ball up and laying it off than he is on the wing.

There many ways we can play at home and I do like the 3 centre backs because it gives Pollock a chance to show how good he is at 18. Hendrie and Gibson showed us a little attacking options last night that could be more effective at home and with some more practice.

I would also like us to stick to just 2 formations one for home and one for away games that way the players will know their roles a lot more than when they are asked to do 4 or 5 or however many.

Lets stick to a settle team when we can and if the game is not going our way we have always the option of bring on Hanson to go long.

MJ said we are going for it this season so if we are to challenge for promotion we need a couple more players in and if one of them is a left winger who can get to the bye line and put the ball on Hanson's head we could be up there at the end of the season.

Anyway that's my view have you got any that could be used to make us more consistent ?

I would hope we would be looking to improve in Jan if we are genuine about looking for the play offs.
I fear however that we have reached our natural level (mid table league 2) as we stand.
I can’t see that changing without major investment from somewhere.  
Changing managers will achieve nothing IMHO. We are where we are and will be for the foreseeable future I reckon.
Having been a regular this season I will be picking and choosing my games from now on.
Not given up on Town and never will.  However, I think I’ve finally accepted the harsh reality.
Until of course the beginning of next season when once again I will be full of false optimism.
UTM.

I was going to start a post about his lack of options.we have a squad of 23 including 3 keepers.2 of the 20 outfield players are injured whilst 4 (clifton, vernham, ring and cardwell) have been shown up as ' emergency use only'. That leaves 14 of which 3 (Hendrie, green and whitehouse) are desperately out of form.
All in all there's no wonder he's having to put square pegs in round holes and is constantly tinkering

There's a lack of options but he's created that problem himself.

There's not a single player in the squad that he hasn't either signed or given a new contract too.  There's an argument that it's very much about nothingness at this level but with the exception of Hanson and maybe Hewitt, is there anything different that he brought into the squad this summer.  Is Whitehouse any different from Clifton, Green any different from Cook?  In Gibson, he's definitely made an improvement in that area.

Two players have been highlighted as ones we miss - Robson and Wright. Robson was signed after the season started and Wright has been used sparingly even before his injury.  I don't believe that Jolley's summer planning was based around a lad who was on loan at Boston last season and a lad he hadn't even signed yet.  

A big issue in my eyes is that there's too many bit part players in the squad.  Players who drift in and out without having any real impact (especially in the long term).  In attack we've got 3 of those in Cook, Cardwell and Vernam.  On paper it looks a strong bench but really are any of those going to change it if they come on?  I like Cook but Jolley doesn't seem too keen, Vernam looks destined to just drift down the levels whereas the decision to give Cardwell an 18-month deal last season looks more bizarre with every passing moment.  

According to Cod Almighty the following players are out of contract next summer:

Russell;
Davis, Ring;
Hessenthaler, Whitehouse, Wright;
Vernam, Cardwell, Cook, Ogbu

I personally think Jolley needs to look at shipping out the majority of those in January to free up funds and bring in some fresh and genuine alternative options if we want to do anything than float around mid-table.  

Maybe he had to make choices because of budget constraints? Hamson, green, mckeown,waterfall, hendrie and hess are all costing a fair amount of money. hes gone for a smaller squad with what he hoped was better quality. Nobody would be guessed that it's the 3 youngsters who tend to impress the most whilst the likes of shitehouse,green, vernham, Clifton and Hendrix have all been pretty poor

Quoted from diehardmariner

Green any different from Cook?  

Sorry but this part I do not agree with. Green and Cook are completely different players. One can actually control the ball for a start. (No prizes for guessing which one).

I would argue Green is an entity unto himself, not to be compared with normal professional footballers. Not seen a player who has as excrement control since LJL was smacking them miles over the Pontoon.

Quoted from forza ivano

Maybe he had to make choices because of budget constraints? Hamson, green, mckeown,waterfall, hendrie and hess are all costing a fair amount of money. hes gone for a smaller squad with what he hoped was better quality. Nobody would be guessed that it's the 3 youngsters who tend to impress the most whilst the likes of shitehouse,green, vernham, Clifton and Hendrix have all been pretty poor

Hardly surprising with his lifestyle

I don’t understand this idea that Clifton has suddenly become not up to the standard.
He’s struggled for form and with injuries this season, but he absolutely showed last year he’s a league footballer. He’s far superior to Hewitt and Whitehouse.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

I don’t understand this idea that Clifton has suddenly become not up to the standard.
He’s struggled for form and with injuries this season, but he absolutely showed last year he’s a league footballer. He’s far superior to Hewitt and Whitehouse.

Think it's just become an easy trend to follow by saying this hasn't it.

He's been in and out with injury and being away a few times with the Wales international set-up. Hasn't had a chance to get going really yet.

If he hasn't progressed this season, he certainly hasn't gone backwards as I've seen some people suggest.

Quoted from forza ivano

Maybe he had to make choices because of budget constraints? Hamson, green, mckeown,waterfall, hendrie and hess are all costing a fair amount of money. hes gone for a smaller squad with what he hoped was better quality. Nobody would be guessed that it's the 3 youngsters who tend to impress the most whilst the likes of shitehouse,green, vernham, Clifton and Hendrix have all been pretty poor

I don't think there's any credit to be gained in calling a player Shitehouse, especially bearing in mind what he went through last season. I suspect we will never see the best of him - and it's not for the lack of effort.

Just watched Colin Calderwoods post match interview on the Cambridge site, its refreshing to hear a honest view of the match considering how the match went for them, he praisedthe way we set upin defence

What to do next.... get some wingers! We've seen how Max changes things when he's brought into the side, I'd love to see town playing with a winger on each side and supplying Hanson and green with crosses. We've been crying out for wingers since the days of Monkhouse playing out wide

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I don't think there's any credit to be gained in calling a player Shitehouse, especially bearing in mind what he went through last season. I suspect we will never see the best of him - and it's not for the lack of effort.

A Lincoln squad player was never really going to set BP alight was he? He seems a good lad and is a battler to overcome that injury, but I am not sure why we put such store on him coming back.

Quoted from grimsby pete

We have seen Town play different formations using different players with mixed results.

So what is the way forward ?

My view is I would be happy if MJ plays the same formation he used at Cambridge at away games but he can not do that when at home.
If he let the opposition have 70% of the ball at home the fans will soon drop off .

Wright and Robson have been unfit for the last few games so they might make a difference myself I would put them in if fit but I would also like to see Ogbu in for Hanson.
I must say Hanson has done nothing wrong and works hard but the service he has received has been very poor and when he does get a ball on his head there is not a town player anywhere near him most of the time.
Playing Moses in that role for a while might make us play more on the ground he is better holding the ball up and laying it off than he is on the wing.

There many ways we can play at home and I do like the 3 centre backs because it gives Pollock a chance to show how good he is at 18. Hendrie and Gibson showed us a little attacking options last night that could be more effective at home and with some more practice.

I would also like us to stick to just 2 formations one for home and one for away games that way the players will know their roles a lot more than when they are asked to do 4 or 5 or however many.

Lets stick to a settle team when we can and if the game is not going our way we have always the option of bring on Hanson to go long.

MJ said we are going for it this season so if we are to challenge for promotion we need a couple more players in and if one of them is a left winger who can get to the bye line and put the ball on Hanson's head we could be up there at the end of the season.

Anyway that's my view have you got any that could be used to make us more consistent ?

Good points there Pete, but I think Jolley has got too wound up with formations, tactics and players in unnatural positions.

We got a point last night by playing a team of defenders, but there is obviously no future in that.

Get a settled side when Robson and Wright are back, stick with it and adjust the tactics a little bit to be more defensive away.

We are a counter attacking team, even at home, but we don't have the guile and pace to do it effectively (bar Exeter away) so I would prefer a more front foot approach at home - more like the Port Vale home game and the Macclesfield re-arranged game when we took the game to the opposition.

In fact I would like to see a real get up and go attitude; a will to win above everything else. Crunching tackles ala Bob Cumming and the whole team fighting like tigers to get a win. We are in division 4 and with a relatively low budget it is very difficult to attract the calibre of player to play the way Jolley might want, although there is precious little evidence to suggest he wants to play any particular way apart from soaking up pressure.

Quoted from grimsby pete

We have seen Town play different formations using different players with mixed results.

So what is the way forward ?

My view is I would be happy if MJ plays the same formation he used at Cambridge at away games but he can not do that when at home.
If he let the opposition have 70% of the ball at home the fans will soon drop off .

Wright and Robson have been unfit for the last few games so they might make a difference myself I would put them in if fit but I would also like to see Ogbu in for Hanson.
I must say Hanson has done nothing wrong and works hard but the service he has received has been very poor and when he does get a ball on his head there is not a town player anywhere near him most of the time.
Playing Moses in that role for a while might make us play more on the ground he is better holding the ball up and laying it off than he is on the wing.

There many ways we can play at home and I do like the 3 centre backs because it gives Pollock a chance to show how good he is at 18. Hendrie and Gibson showed us a little attacking options last night that could be more effective at home and with some more practice.

I would also like us to stick to just 2 formations one for home and one for away games that way the players will know their roles a lot more than when they are asked to do 4 or 5 or however many.

Lets stick to a settle team when we can and if the game is not going our way we have always the option of bring on Hanson to go long.

MJ said we are going for it this season so if we are to challenge for promotion we need a couple more players in and if one of them is a left winger who can get to the bye line and put the ball on Hanson's head we could be up there at the end of the season.

Anyway that's my view have you got any that could be used to make us more consistent ?

(Confused)  so......you want home and away formations ........but you want to stick to a settled team.....i see...... ;D

Quoted from moosey_club

(Confused)  so......you want home and away formations ........but you want to stick to a settled team.....i see...... ;D

I think Pete was talking relatively, settled compared to the constant and unpredictable line ups we have at the moment...

Maybe looking back first before moving on.  The big defeat to Chelsea’s young stars does not look quite so bad given Chelsea’s performances since then.  I have just watched them beat Ajax with style in a very impressive win.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I don't think there's any credit to be gained in calling a player Shitehouse, especially bearing in mind what he went through last season. I suspect we will never see the best of him - and it's not for the lack of effort.

Oh dear.that really wasn't intended.bloody spell check. Apologies for lack of proof reading.the fact still remains that both he n  Clifton haven't lived up to their billing n loathe as I am to disagree with Tommy  in my humble opinion Clifton has regressed from the player we saw 18 months ago when he was an integral part of the jolley great escape team

Worrying to see Whitehouse flinch out of a 50/50. It was actually 70/30 in his favour. Maybe the injury still plays on his mind.

Listening to Cambridge radio coming back they were actually fullsome in their praise for Town, as was Calderwood.

Although hard fought points away, playing a defensive  system, only seem truly valuable if they can be backed up with 12-14 home wins IMO

I thought Whitehouse pulled out as he was on a yellow?

I might be judging him a little harshly if that was the case.

Get to Blundell Park on Saturday and watch the Mighty Mariners stuff Cheltenham. That's what to do next.

Quoted from oochiad

I thought Whitehouse pulled out as he was on a yellow?

That was the suggestion on the ifollow / Humberside commentary too

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

A Lincoln squad player was never really going to set BP alight was he? He seems a good lad and is a battler to overcome that injury, but I am not sure why we put such store on him coming back.

Well it seems to be the fashion. Big up a player when he's not playing. Scapegoat him when he fails to live up to the fevered imaginings.

Quoted from grimsby pete

We have seen Town play different formations using different players with mixed results.

So what is the way forward ?

My view is I would be happy if MJ plays the same formation he used at Cambridge at away games but he can not do that when at home.
If he let the opposition have 70% of the ball at home the fans will soon drop off .

Wright and Robson have been unfit for the last few games so they might make a difference myself I would put them in if fit but I would also like to see Ogbu in for Hanson.
I must say Hanson has done nothing wrong and works hard but the service he has received has been very poor and when he does get a ball on his head there is not a town player anywhere near him most of the time.
Playing Moses in that role for a while might make us play more on the ground he is better holding the ball up and laying it off than he is on the wing.

There many ways we can play at home and I do like the 3 centre backs because it gives Pollock a chance to show how good he is at 18. Hendrie and Gibson showed us a little attacking options last night that could be more effective at home and with some more practice.

I would also like us to stick to just 2 formations one for home and one for away games that way the players will know their roles a lot more than when they are asked to do 4 or 5 or however many.

Lets stick to a settle team when we can and if the game is not going our way we have always the option of bring on Hanson to go long.

MJ said we are going for it this season so if we are to challenge for promotion we need a couple more players in and if one of them is a left winger who can get to the bye line and put the ball on Hanson's head we could be up there at the end of the season.

Anyway that's my view have you got any that could be used to make us more consistent ?

I haven't seen much of Ogbu but the reports I've heard are that he is the very model of inconsistency. One minute does something brilliant and the next a total member up. Do you think fans currently at least have the patience to wait for consistency to come?

I think Ogbu will be always all over the place with his erratic style, but more often than not his unpredictability worth a role of the dice as he could unlock opposition defence.

But the counter to that is he doesn't offer any defensive support to the full back behind him who often ends up doubled up against as a result.

So perhaps a safer bet is him up front or central in the hole where a lack of defensive mindedness not going to leave such gaping holes behind him?

But Hanson and Green no doubt our big earners and hold 'must play' status by and large. Though that shouldn't be the case, I suspect it largely is.

Quoted from forza ivano

Oh dear.that really wasn't intended.bloody spell check. Apologies for lack of proof reading.

Not seen back tracking like that since Kevin Ellison ran at Matt Heywood ;)

Ogbu is not a winger he played his best game at Exeter when played in his best position.

Quoted from barralad

I haven't seen much of Ogbu but the reports I've heard are that he is the very model of inconsistency. One minute does something brilliant and the next a total member up. Do you think fans currently at least have the patience to wait for consistency to come?

I feel a bit for Ogbu - he is our most skilful player, hardworking and spends too much time tracking back (not his fault) but because he is "unpredictable" ie skilful he takes some undeserved flak.

I hope he gets a sustained run in the side and really shows what a good player he is.

What to do next?

Stick to footballing principles. Resorting to anti-football tactics mid-October is far too early. Jolley is either losing his nerve or lacking confidence in the squad he's brought in. Long balls to Hanson or setting up to defend will not improve the confidence of the players. Neither will the constant chopping and changing of starting eleven, formation and tactics. Self-defeating if it's putting off the fanbase too.

We were promised front foot attacking football with pace and a bit more physicality. Time for Jolley to earn his salary and coach that into the players on the training ground. If it means we use Hanson from the bench as plan B for the last twenty minutes, then so be it. We've got enough pace and potential in Ogbu, Vernam, Wright and Rose if the rest of the team can move the ball quicker and more accurately and also move themselves around the pitch with more guile and intelligence too.

It seems that the players are playing too much to instruction and not enough with their instincts, probably with the fear of getting dropped if not carrying out precise orders due to the constant chopping and changing of the starting eleven.

Jolley needs to loosen up a bit and not worry about results as much as developing a better long term effective entertaining style of play. We only need a point a game to be safe for god's sake..

According to Cod Almighty the following players are out of contract next summer:

Russell;
Davis, Ring;
Hessenthaler, Whitehouse, Wright;
Vernam, Cardwell, Cook, Ogbu

I personally think Jolley needs to look at shipping out the majority of those in January to free up funds and bring in some fresh and genuine alternative options if we want to do anything than float around mid-table.  
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Russell: he’s our gk coach - why would we ‘ship him out’?
Davis/ Ring - maybe a case to release
Hessenthaler- practically an ever present for two seasons - surely we want to keep him?
Whitehouse - just back from injury - too early to make that call
Wright - a player with massive potential - a Chelsea fan told me he was clearly our best player.  Why on earth would we want to get rid of him?
Ogbu - clearly a player who can unlock chances
Cook - has done well this season and featured in most of our best results
Cardwell - agreed
Vernam - bit of an enigma

It seems a bit sweeping to lump all these players together as ones to move on vs any other group of players from the squad.

Quoted from Bigdog

What to do next?

Stick to footballing principles. Resorting to anti-football tactics mid-October is far too early. Jolley is either losing his nerve or lacking confidence in the squad he's brought in. Long balls to Hanson or setting up to defend will not improve the confidence of the players. Neither will the constant chopping and changing of starting eleven, formation and tactics. Self-defeating if it's putting off the fanbase too.

We were promised front foot attacking football with pace and a bit more physicality. Time for Jolley to earn his salary and coach that into the players on the training ground. If it means we use Hanson from the bench as plan B for the last twenty minutes, then so be it. We've got enough pace and potential in Ogbu, Vernam, Wright and Rose if the rest of the team can move the ball quicker and more accurately and move themselves around the pitch quicker too.

I think the players are playing too much to instruction and not enough with their instincts, probably with the fear of getting dropped if not carrying out precise orders due to the constant chopping and changing of the starting eleven.

Jolley needs to loosen up a bit and not worry about results as much as developing a better long term effective entertaining style of play. We only need a point a game to be safe for god's sake..

Setting up to defend: losing is bad for the confidence too. It's been 1 game where we've set up to defend - as opposed to playing the counter-attacking game. I'd rather we had the type of performance on Tuesday that stopped the rot, then push on when we've got over our current challenges (e.g. Wright and Robson being out). Much rather that than have a slide like we did last season.

Not worrying about results: best tell the rest of the world that first. What if in leaving the worries behind we continue to get beat? When should he start to worry again?

I agree that the best means of defence can be attack, but when your attack is hit and miss, then the ball just keeps coming back and you end up losing. We've lost a couple of the most effective attacking players in the squad to injury so it's not surprising the attack went off the boil and our frailties were exposed.

Under Hurst in the Conference I'd have agreed that we worried about not losing or about the opposition too much. We were one of the big teams. One automatic promotion spot meant you had to win games - drawing was no good. Drawing 46 was no good at all because there were 4 relegation spots. In this division with 3 automatic promotion spots, you don't need so many wins to grab a play off place. And we're not one of the big teams. Not losing is relatively more important.

Wright needs tieing down!

Quoted from Rik e B

Wright needs tieing down!

Try to keep your fantasies to yourself please Rik :)

Tuesday morning: "If we lose again tonight then Jolley has to go".

Wednesday morning: "Jolley needs to stop worrying so much about results".

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Tuesday morning: "If we lose again tonight then Jolley has to go".

Wednesday morning: "Jolley needs to stop worrying so much about results".

You're quoting my post on Wednesday morning Rodley re stop worrying about results, but I've not advocated that Jolley has to go. Haven't even posted on those threads that have appeared over the last week or so. My context is that if Jolley stopped worrying about the opposition and whether we lost the previous game or two and concentrated on developoing a more expansive and less one-dimensional brand of football game by game, we would more than likely end up with a higher points total at the end of the season than his methodology is bringing in at present.

I saw nothing on Tuesday night that gave me any hope of progressing as a team other than a game of attack and defence for ninety minutes, and Saturday was just urine poor all round. And if that's what he's going to set out to do because he's panicking or running out of ideas, then It doesn't bode well for us going forward. The last few games we really have looked like relegation fodder and a team looking to scrape enough points to survive.. again!! And it's only October..

I'm not looking for our manager to be sacked, but he's got to show a lot more nous over the rest of this season than he has done. Six years out of the Football League desperately wanting us to get back and I've been thoroughly frustrated and bored with what I've seen since our return over the past three and a bit seasons.. and now we've ended up with lump it to the big man or ten men behind the ball away at Cambridge. It's just not good enough..

I didn't quote anybody but how can you suggest he not worry about results when other people are talking about sacking him? As others have said, there is a ludicrous swing on here in mood and opinion from week to week and result to result - we've taken one point from 4 but we're only 5 points from the play offs. I thought Tuesday made sense in terms of arresting the slump but wouldn't accept playing like that regularly or at home at all. People just need to calm down a bit though.

Hi Rodley,

Hope all is well.

Tuesday can be summed up in three words STOPPED THE ROT. Needs must, although Ethan and I found it a painful 90 minutes. My main concern is I still can't see a consistent system of play, although maybe flexibility is a positive. Still very undecided about Jolley.

The problem being is it's not just the odd "off" game is it?...last season we avoided relegation yet we were near the zone most of the year...our performances weren't exactly sparkling and this season we've had more poor performances than good.
I am not calling for jolleys head...no yet anyway..but he has to learn to learn from his shortcomings, stop with his constant tinkering, stop with his obsession with the opponent and concentrate on building a style of play that suits this squad and stick to it...if that's long ball and he can make it successful then so be it, but pratting about putting square pegs in round holes has to stop...

Inclined to agree Northbank. The lack of Wright and Robson does limit his options though.

Quoted from smokey111

Inclined to agree Northbank. The lack of Wright and Robson does limit his options though.

In fairness Smokey you are right, but it's a sad indictment on the squad if losing only 2 out of 24 can have such a monumental effect on the performances on the pitch....and I hasten to add, a squad that Jolley has built.  

Quoted from smokey111

Hi Rodley,

Hope all is well.

Tuesday can be summed up in three words STOPPED THE ROT. Needs must, although Ethan and I found it a painful 90 minutes. My main concern is I still can't see a consistent system of play, although maybe flexibility is a positive. Still very undecided about Jolley.

Now then! Agree it was a dire watch but means to an end - guess performance and result tomorrow might help decide if it was a good point or not. Also agree with your other post about losing Wright and Robson being a big blow which reflects the squad is again pretty imbalanced. That Mansfield game started the rot but we were actually pretty good until Wright got injured. Problem then was we had absolutely nobody on the bench with anything like the same attributes to bring on. Will have to get sorted for an away day with the kids sometime soon.

Don't you think though at this level Northbank that having two 'game changers' in a squad of 24 is about right. I would actually argue that Ogbu and potentially Rose could be placed into that category. Although for me, Rose and Ogbu are inconsistent. 4/10 one game and then 8/10 another. Playing all 4 would be very interesting!!! Has it happened? There is a reason these type of players are in L2. Either young, inconsistent,  unproven, injury prone, attitude, ageing etc. Granted this doesn't apply to all the aforementioned.

Rodley,

Definitely. The lads prefer away games!!!!!

Quoted from smokey111

Don't you think though at this level Northbank that having two 'game changers' in a squad of 24 is about right. I would actually argue that Ogbu and potentially Rose could be placed into that category. Although for me, Rose and Ogbu are inconsistent. 4/10 one game and then 8/10 another. Playing all 4 would be very interesting!!! Has it happened? There is a reason these type of players are in L2. Either young, inconsistent,  unproven, injury prone, attitude, ageing etc. Granted this doesn't apply to all the aforementioned.

Rodley,

Definitely. The lads prefer away games!!!!!

In regards to Ogbu, he's frustrating yet exhilerating at the same time and Rose scares the crap out of defenses but sometimes trips himself up
Having 2 game changers is okay if they can come off the bench but to rely on them is a recipe for disaster, in the same way we rely on Hanson to get the knock downs, which in invariably does quite competently but there's never another town player close enough to capitalise on them.
I so want Jolley to bring the entertaining, high press, front foot football for us all to get excited about, but so far he has flattered to deceive...

Quoted from smokey111

Inclined to agree Northbank. The lack of Wright and Robson does limit his options though.

This. Would be interesting for someone to do a graph of points gained and league position for the last 3-4 seasons.I suspect it'd show that we aren't doing quite as badly as people imagine

Northbank

I think we are on the same hyme sheet. I would actually accept long ball football (reluctantly) if that is how we set up. Two runners off Hanson. Sides would drop deeper and deeper actually allowing Wright/Rose to find space to run at teams. Or if they tried to squeeze there would be space behind,if a pass could be picked out (Robson), to release Green, Ogbu, Wright or Rose into the channels. Having watched Town approx. 30 times in the last two years, still unsure of MJs modus operandi!!!!!

Quoted from smokey111

Northbank

I think we are on the same hyme sheet. I would actually accept long ball football (reluctantly) if that is how we set up. Two runners off Hanson. Sides would drop deeper and deeper actually allowing Wright/Rose to find space to run at teams. Or if they tried to squeeze there would be space behind,if a pass could be picked out (Robson), to release Green, Ogbu, Wright or Rose into the channels. Having watched Town approx. 30 times in the last two years, still unsure of MJs modus operandi!!!!!

I sometimes take pelters for my posts but I stand by what I say, I'm not convinced Jolley knows exactly what he's doing as a manager, I have no doubt he is probably a great coach and can bring players on, ie Rose, Wright and Clifton but so far he seems tactically inept and needs to talk/listen to someone with more experience, be that Buckley who's close to the club or even lean on Sean Dyches shoulders but ultimately he's flagging right now, I don't want to see him fail but unless he takes advice I can see him going by the wayside...