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Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Let's be honest, would you, after watching that yesterday want to be any where near that squad??....he must have thought " sod this, I'm not playing for a shower of excrement and ruining my career"....!!!....what hurts is we have more chance of selling ice to an Eskimo than attracting a decent striker now, the club left it too late and everyone to a man knew all last season we needed an out n out striker, so for all the summer comings n goings the one position we needed filling got left empty.....who's to blame, I'll leave that up to you to decide, be it last years regine or Jolleys dropped a bigger clanger than collins by not addressing this problem before all else!!

I think he's tried all summer to get someone in but the normal obstacles get in the way

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

I think he's tried all summer to get someone in but the normal obstacles get in the way

Well if FGR can get the quality in, to play in a village with a very low fan base, the obstacles must be money?

To be fair that poster could be just as reliable as Bentley.

FGR have huge amounts of money and also, of course, a good location in the south west. Reid, for example, has spent his career in that neck of the woods so the location makes it easier for them to attract such a player (along with the money).

Angol is from down south I believe? Not too long to get there from Mansfield in comparison to Grimsby which is a bit more remote. It's not just money that players think about (though that is a major factor, obviously).

I think it would be a good opportunity for Angol but perhaps he'd rather get a move further south?

Quoted from Maringer

FGR have huge amounts of money and also, of course, a good location in the south west. Reid, for example, has spent his career in that neck of the woods so the location makes it easier for them to attract such a player (along with the money).

Angol is from down south I believe? Not too long to get there from Mansfield in comparison to Grimsby which is a bit more remote. It's not just money that players think about (though that is a major factor, obviously).

I think it would be a good opportunity for Angol but perhaps he'd rather get a move further south?

FGR is in the South West and Grimsby is in shall we say the Yorkshire /Lincolnshire catchment area. Hundreds of players travel all over the country all the time. Gunning went from Scotland to Grimsby to Port Vale to FGR for his next pay day. Its the money that talks. I agree some players might like a certain location - many born more in our neck of the woods might prefer not to go down south or to Carlisle or wherever, but most will if the money on offer is right. A pro footballer knows he is going to be living in different parts of the country so his lifestyle reflects that.

If it is true what some people say players won't come to the Grimsby area (which I doubt since we have had a club since 1878 and have always managed to put a full team out) then we will have to pay a premium for them - just like FGR. Their drawback is they are a tiny club with a small fan base based in a village.. but somehow they can attract 11 players that play us off the park. The point is that most clubs in the lower divisions of the Football League have drawbacks, but most can be overcome with money or longer term deals.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

FGR is in the South West and Grimsby is in shall we say the Yorkshire /Lincolnshire catchment area. Hundreds of players travel all over the country all the time. Gunning went from Scotland to Grimsby to Port Vale to FGR for his next pay day. Its the money that talks. I agree some players might like a certain location - many born more in our neck of the woods might prefer not to go down south or to Carlisle or wherever, but most will if the money on offer is right. A pro footballer knows he is going to be living in different parts of the country so his lifestyle reflects that.

If it is true what some people say players won't come to the Grimsby area (which I doubt since we have had a club since 1878 and have always managed to put a full team out) then we will have to pay a premium for them - just like FGR. Their drawback is they are a tiny club with a small fan base based in a village.. but somehow they can attract 11 players that play us off the park. The point is that most clubs in the lower divisions of the Football League have drawbacks, but most can be overcome with money or longer term deals.

Possibly because they have an owner who is prepared to " gift " his club money therefore making the team very competitive. At the end of the day it's the pay cheque that attracts most players. Why do you think so many ageing top class players have gone to the USA and China - money, Moriarty, money.

Quoted from rancido

Possibly because they have an owner who is prepared to " gift " his club money therefore making the team very competitive. At the end of the day it's the pay cheque that attracts most players. Why do you think so many ageing top class players have gone to the USA and China - money, Moriarty, money.

Exactly. That is what I am driving at. Any perceived downsides of any club can be overcome with money. Within reason of course.

If its down to real money, forget it,, we usually and will do in the future shop in poundland

If Angol doesn’t want to come it’s his loss I would start looking overseas Croatia, Serbia, Albania all have a good standard of football and would love to play in England.

The deals off. He isn't coming.

Bowman not in squad for Motherwell today
Could be a double signing??

Bentley 0.000000676858777

Have you ever been to Mansfield Grimsby is fat better.

Bowman has an ankle injury.

Do we know for sure he’s not coming. Or is this a Bentley type rumour ?

Quoted from Yoda

If Angol doesn’t want to come it’s his loss I would start looking overseas Croatia, Serbia, Albania all have a good standard of football and would love to play in England.

Yeah why would you want to play Champions League football in front of 35,000 in sunny Zagreb when you could play in L2?

Quoted from Yoda

Have you ever been to Mansfield Grimsby is fat better.

are you sure...i have been to Mansfield several times and they have their fare share of tubby b@stards waddling around the Town centre

I would be surprised if he signed for us after yesterdays result, even though we will probably win the next match comfortably, TBF its a position that required filling weeks ago, a loan now would suit us better

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/grimsby-town-bid-accepted-mansfield-1862625

bid accepted

Quoted from carrot top

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/grimsby-town-bid-accepted-mansfield-1862625

bid accepted

Bid was accepted on Saturday but the consensus seems to be he will not sign for us, Mansfield fans forum reckon he'd rather head South than come to GY and with Jolleys philosophy of players living in and around the area that would be the nail.in the coffin of any deal with Angol...

If you don't like it then don't come :)

As much as I think he would a good addition, if he does not want to come we have to accept it and move on.

There`s nothing worse than employing someone who does not want to be here if it is the case.

We are low in confidence at the moment and only need those that have the calibre to give all

This story needs a new angol now.

It does seem odd how manager after manager seems to struggle to sign the strikers we require for the start of the season. We're invariably looking right up to the transfer deadline (and invariably failing).

I think the Amond/Bogle signings were the only time in recent memory that we had the players available from the off. Perhaps strikers just don't like the sea air? :)

Quoted from Maringer

It does seem odd how manager after manager seems to struggle to sign the strikers we require for the start of the season. We're invariably looking right up to the transfer deadline (and invariably failing).

I think the Amond/Bogle signings were the only time in recent memory that we had the players available from the off. Perhaps strikers just don't like the sea air? :)

I see Sam Jones isn't getting a look in at Shrewsbury now. Not that I'm suggesting he'd ever come back here, but we're crying out for a player with that ability now. Or has he gone to Ipswich too?

Quoted from rancido

Possibly because they have an owner who is prepared to " gift " his club money therefore making the team very competitive. At the end of the day it's the pay cheque that attracts most players. Why do you think so many ageing top class players have gone to the USA and China - money, Moriarty, money.

how was it a gift, he bought shares in the club to bridge the operating loss of 2.1 mil last year and all previous years, The club have a shares to the value of over 12 mil which I would presume are mostly to one man. EcoTricity also made a massive loss last year as well so I am not sure I would want my club being propped up in this way,

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Re: bids for Rose and Angol
Postby STAGS FOR LIFE » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:46 am

Angol ,Saying on radio that he is going to Grimsby

From the Mansfield forum this morning.

Although it looks like it says Angol has said he is coming, I think it was more a radio report.

Could it still be on?

Quoted from 140381

I see Sam Jones isn't getting a look in at Shrewsbury now. Not that I'm suggesting he'd ever come back here, but we're crying out for a player with that ability now. Or has he gone to Ipswich too?

He'll never come back here after being forced out the club to pinch pennies.

yep, read that too Mal, it was the radio saying it. Decision expected today or tomorrow.

Quoted from Kris2

He'll never come back here after being forced out the club to pinch pennies.

No of course not. I'm just lamenting that we had a player like that and messed it up.

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

how was it a gift, he bought shares in the club to bridge the operating loss of 2.1 mil last year and all previous years, The club have a shares to the value of over 12 mil which I would presume are mostly to one man. EcoTricity also made a massive loss last year as well so I am not sure I would want my club being propped up in this way,

Yeah it’s probably better to have someone who saddles the club with loads of debt to themselves, divides the fans and has the club underachieving every year. I’d much rather flirt with going out of the league than show any ambition to be decent.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Yeah it’s probably better to have someone who saddles the club with loads of debt to themselves, divides the fans and has the club underachieving every year. I’d much rather flirt with going out of the league than show any ambition to be decent.

I think loans or shares are as bad as each other to be fair, Showing Ambition as you put it means throwing money in to players that may or may not perform and has no guarantee for success.
loading the club with shares does not make it safer or more desirable for someone to take over.
How do you know the club has not given the manager a competitive budget or do you know something we dont.

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

how was it a gift, he bought shares in the club to bridge the operating loss of 2.1 mil last year and all previous years, The club have a shares to the value of over 12 mil which I would presume are mostly to one man. EcoTricity also made a massive loss last year as well so I am not sure I would want my club being propped up in this way,

Of course it's a gift of sorts.

Risk-free to the club, Vince has given the money for operating purposes by purchasing shares. He knows it's a bottomless pit he's throwing his money into as FGR as a club is worth nowhere near £12m. If he put it up for sale he'd get nowhere near that valuation. What would be better for FGR? Him putting the money in as loans, so as it stands the club or any other potential takeover investor would have to pay him an enormously overpriced £12m back in loans before even investing in the club? He's taking responsibility for his own decisions and investment by buying shares and not saddling the club with a £12m millstone.

I wish someone closer to home would take as great a benevolent responsibility for their own actions as he has, but no, saddling GTFC with a £2m debt has given them the privilege of spending nigh on £50m of the club's income over the past two decades without the threat of any financial penalty to themselves..

Vince's approach is more honourable, far safer and progressive for a football club than the one we've got here. Share prices go up and down on valuation. Loans? Well their value remains static under good stewardship or bad..

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

I think loans or shares are as bad as each other to be fair, Showing Ambition as you put it means throwing money in to players that may or may not perform and has no guarantee for success.
loading the club with shares does not make it safer or more desirable for someone to take over.
How do you know the club has not given the manager a competitive budget or do you know something we dont.

They are a village club playing at their highest ever level. They’ve got one of the better squads in the division and they’ll be getting a new ground.

Having a large debt to the major shareholder is crippling.

Our squad is thin and thin on quality. If we’ve had a competetive budget then Jolley is not the messiah. I would suggest our budget won’t be top half of the division.

Quoted from Bigdog

Of course it's a gift of sorts.

Risk-free to the club, Vince has given the money for operating purposes by purchasing shares. He knows it's a bottomless pit he's throwing his money into as FGR as a club is worth nowhere near £12m. If he put it up for sale he'd get nowhere near that valuation. What would be better for FGR? Him putting the money in as loans, so as it stands the club or any other potential takeover investor would have to pay him an enormously overpriced £12m back in loans before even investing in the club? He's taking responsibility for his own decisions and investment by buying shares and not saddling the club with a £12m millstone.

I wish someone closer to home would take as great a benevolent responsibility for their own actions as he has, but no, saddling GTFC with a £2m debt has given them the privilege of spending nigh on £50m of the club's income over the past two decades without the threat of any financial penalty to themselves..

Vince's approach is more honourable, far safer and progressive for a football club than the one we've got here. Share prices go up and down on valuation. Loans? Well their value remains static under good stewardship or bad..

so running at a 2 mil loss each year is ok, if he pops his clogs then they most probably go bust.
Some on here call for our club to live within its means which in reality is mid table budget then when the mood changes demand we throw money at it,

I personally will give it 10 games before I decide we have a good or bad team and not base all my opinion of the opening game of the season

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

so running at a 2 mil loss each year is ok, if he pops his clogs then they most probably go bust.
Some on here call for our club to live within its means which in reality is mid table budget then when the mood changes demand we throw money at it,

I personally will give it 10 games before I decide we have a good or bad team and not base all my opinion of the opening game of the season

They won't go bust, that's not how it works. Without him putting money in they'd have to cut their cloth accordingly if he hasn't made provisions. If he "pops his clogs" in a few years time, he'll probably leave them with a new stadium, a league or two higher, playing in front of crowds four or five times higher than when he took over and whatever money he put in in shares left to a current market valuation and absolutely no debt to the club. Wouldn't be a bad achievement to be honest.

If someone out there wanted to pile money of their own personal wealth into shares to make us a much more progressive and exciting club, that would be great wouldn't it? You know, someone who had the courage of their own conviction by gambling their own money on the market value of the club rather than saddling it with debt? I don't get the method in your thinking. How our club is set up financially is an anomaly when compared to the norm, and it certainly isn't healthy for the club and only benefits and secures one man's dream for as long as he wishes for f all investment. Far too much parochial and narrow minded thinking on this subject and too many local "scary" urban myths built up over time. Another pre-season passes by without any external investment or news on a new stadium.

FWIW - I personally haven't decided we've got a bad team after one game either. Saturday was definitely an unsettling performance. I think we need a couple of signings at least in key areas and a shuffle around in personnel that's all. I really like Welsh, Hessenthaler, Rose and Vernam in and around the engine room. Less confident about our wide positions, the central defensive mix and a lack of firepower up front though..

I think that Rushden & Diamonds were probably the last league (or former-league) club to go pop when their wealthy benefactor lost interest. Unless I'm missing another out, that is.

Oh, Gretna went bust some years ago as well when their wealthy owner passed away.

The problem with a sugar-daddy is when they lose interest/go bankrupt/depart this mortal coil.

It's an unhealthy thing for a club to be reliant on a wealthy benefactor on an ego trip and Fenty, for all his flaws, hasn't racked up an enormous debt in comparison to many other clubs.

It's a pity that so many clubs are now bankrolled by wealthy benefactors (I understand it is really bad in the Conference this season) as it will lead to many tiny clubs having a false position at the expense of those traditionally better-supported ones. FGR are just the most extreme example of these - there is no way they will develop into a 'proper' League club, no matter how much money is bunged their way, because Nailsworth is fundamentally nothing more than a village!

Quoted from Bigdog

Vince's approach is more honourable, far safer and progressive for a football club than the one we've got here. Share prices go up and down on valuation. Loans? Well their value remains static under good stewardship or bad..

In what way is his approach more honourable or safer? If he walks away, the club goes bankrupt. The only way that is avoided is if somebody is equally as rich and equally willing to throw money into somebody else's self branded club. Then when they're reformed and playing in the Southern League along with Rushden and Diamonds, I'm sure the fans will think how safe and honourable Dale Vince was when running the club.

Quoted from MarinerMal

From the Mansfield forum this morning.

Although it looks like it says Angol has said he is coming, I think it was more a radio report.

Could it still be on?

Who knows, but the transfer deadline is only 3 days away, so if he wants a wage.........

Quoted from Bigdog

They won't go bust, that's not how it works. Without him putting money in they'd have to cut their cloth accordingly if he hasn't made provisions. If he "pops his clogs" in a few years time, he'll probably leave them with a new stadium, a league or two higher, playing in front of crowds four or five times higher than when he took over and whatever money he put in in shares left to a current market valuation. Wouldn't be a bad achievement to be honest.

FWIW - I personally haven't decided we've got a bad team after one game either. Saturday was definitely an unsettling performance. I think we need a couple of signings at least in key areas and a shuffle around in personnel that's all. I really like Welsh, Hessenthaler, Rose and Vernam in and around the engine room. Less confident about our wide positions, the central defensive mix and a lack of firepower up front though..

Gambling that one man will fill a gap in funding each year to me is not a sensible way to run a football club and that goes for us too, The attendances FG get are not much better now than they was 2 or 3 years ago and there is no evidence it will be in the future.
Look at Gretna Green as an example they had a rich chairman who pumped loads in then died, The club within 12 months was out of business as they could not meet their current commitments.

Quoted from pen penfras

In what way is his approach more honourable or safer? If he walks away, the club goes bankrupt. The only way that is avoided is if somebody is equally as rich and equally willing to throw money into somebody else's self branded club. Then when they're reformed and playing in the Southern League along with Rushden and Diamonds, I'm sure the fans will think how safe and honourable Dale Vince was when running the club.

You want to use a far fetched scenario where DV walks away. They would not necessarily go bust. They could operate within their means instead which would be a club operating on 3k gates and no one has to pay his shares off.

Flipping around a made up argument if I have to. What if JF suddenly demands his £2m back? That would bankrupt us then?

Tens and tens of clubs have had money successfully invested into them and built infrastructures that are sustainable at higher levels of the pyramid than they were, yet people want to point out a couple of mad men at Gretna and Rushden and Diamonds as the norm. Too parochial, too scared of their own shadow and far too accepting of GTFC rolling around in perennial pig shite.

The narrow-mindedness and acceptance of our non-progressive state of affairs off the pitch is breathtaking. Any new potential investor instantly thought of as some kind of bogey man to be feared when we've got our own unapologetic incumbent achieving sod all and holding us to ransom.

Everyone love hanging around the Conference or lower echelons of the Football League for decades on end?

Far too used to being fed on scraps and tiny crumbs of comfort..

Has he officially not signed then?

Or I should have said, Is it official that he's not signing?

Quoted from 123614

Who knows, but the transfer deadline is only 3 days away, so if he wants a wage.........

He's got a wage though.

Been keeping an eye on "stagsnest" the Mansfield forum all day and apart from one radio station claiming he's signed for us it's all gone quiet on the Amgol front..

Quoted from Bigdog

They won't go bust, that's not how it works. Without him putting money in they'd have to cut their cloth accordingly if he hasn't made provisions. If he "pops his clogs" in a few years time, he'll probably leave them with a new stadium, a league or two higher, playing in front of crowds four or five times higher than when he took over and whatever money he put in in shares left to a current market valuation and absolutely no debt to the club. Wouldn't be a bad achievement to be honest.

If someone out there wanted to pile money of their own personal wealth into shares to make us a much more progressive and exciting club, that would be great wouldn't it? You know, someone who had the courage of their own conviction by gambling their own money on the market value of the club rather than saddling it with debt? I don't get the method in your thinking. How our club is set up financially is an anomaly when compared to the norm, and it certainly isn't healthy for the club and only benefits and secures one man's dream for as long as he wishes for f all investment. Far too much parochial and narrow minded thinking on this subject and too many local "scary" urban myths built up over time. Another pre-season passes by without any external investment or news on a new stadium.

FWIW - I personally haven't decided we've got a bad team after one game either. Saturday was definitely an unsettling performance. I think we need a couple of signings at least in key areas and a shuffle around in personnel that's all. I really like Welsh, Hessenthaler, Rose and Vernam in and around the engine room. Less confident about our wide positions, the central defensive mix and a lack of firepower up front though..

Vince hasn’t put any of his personal wealth into Forest Green as far as I can tell. Forest Green are wholly owned by Ecotricity.

Ecotricity had a ‘exceptional’ year last year and lost £22m, they also have a new 6m overdraft, £85m in bank debt and £45m in bond debt. I’m not sure how keen the bank and bond holders will be on them chucking 2/3m a year at a football club with no fans if the business continues to lose money.

Btw on top of the shares purchased in Forest Green they’ve also managed to run up over £7m of debt.

Got a feeling that this is ‘dead in the water’. I did wonder why Flitcroft declared that Stags accepted Towns bid but MJ wouldn’t pass comment. It’s weird how it’s gone quiet on this front.

Bids been accepted Angol was meant to be mulling over until today. So they would have to sort personal terms out aswell.

When you want a player that is under contract at another club at what stage does the club wanting the player get to talk to the player? Before or after bidding?

I have a feeling that we have bid for him and had the bid accepted before we knew if he wanted to come and what he wanted in wages.

I may be wrong, but it does look like that.

Flitcroft shouldn’t have said anything about our bid being accepted, it makes us look stupid if it doesn’t go through. He wouldn’t have liked it if Jolley came out and declared his interest first so it should be a two way street.

Interesting to read lots of posts about us/JF being tight etc... some are no doubt fair others not but the fact that we’re apparently bidding 6 figure sums for a player would suggest people at the club are trying to move things forward.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Interesting to read lots of posts about us/JF being tight etc... some are no doubt fair others not but the fact that we’re apparently bidding 6 figure sums for a player would suggest people at the club are trying to move things forward.

That true and many on here are choosing to ignore this fact as it doesn't suit their agenda.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Interesting to read lots of posts about us/JF being tight etc... some are no doubt fair others not but the fact that we’re apparently bidding 6 figure sums for a player would suggest people at the club are trying to move things forward.

I would imagine this 6 figure bid is the money we got for Dembele and wouldn't have happened otherwise but hey-ho.

Why do people make out like every penny passing through this club either comes out of, or goes into, Fenty's pocket?

Six figures £100,000. Absolutely nothing for a player nowadays

Quoted from TheGoalKipper

That true and many on here are choosing to ignore this fact as it doesn't suit their agenda.

After 16 years of dross because we wouldn't buy anybody (and even if we did was via the fans or a "benign" loan) it doesn't suit my agenda, no.

If we buy quality players over the next year or two, that doesn't involve the fans paying for it or creating further debt to you know who then fair enough, I will moderate my views.

I really give up on people not understanding how a playing budget is carved up or where it comes from. If we bid £100k for a player it would either come out of the playing budget or income from transfers. There's absolutely no step forward from last year when Bogle money paid for some of Bignot's signings. Even not taking into account the Dembele money, it's absurd to think the club are somehow trying new methods, chucking cash around or introducing new money. If we're going to cut the playing squad down by six players at an average of £50k each per annum it obviously frees up £300k to invest in either higher wages per player, fees for players or a mixture of both without increasing the budget from last season. I know we scramble around desperately and benevolently looking for positives about the running of the club,but like Ska Face said, JF is spending our money not his, and Jolley will be making the decisions in how to carve up a set budget anyway..

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Interesting to read lots of posts about us/JF being tight etc... some are no doubt fair others not but the fact that we’re apparently bidding 6 figure sums for a player would suggest people at the club are trying to move things forward.

So we've got a six figure sum for Dembele and reduced the playing staff by 6 - that must free up between 300-400k of an already set budget?

Quoted from realist

Six figures £100,000. Absolutely nothing for a player nowadays

£100k is less than 4% of our annual turnover or less than 9% of transfer fees we've received in the past eighteen months, so in the grand scheme of things Realist is correct, it's nothing for a League Two club to pay for a (hopefully) 20+ goal a season striker. Hardly an amount for anyone to start wetting their knickers about..

Doesn’t everyone know that we have a transfers pot and a wages pot?

It's all very well saying a player costs £100K but that's before you pay him, it's just a transaction between the two clubs. Then there will be an agent's fee, his signing on fee, and his wages for the 2-3 year deal you offer him! The total cost of one player could be 5 or more times the "fee".

An extra 250 fans a game over the season covers £100,000 outlay. How do you get more fans through the gate?

Better players, playing better football.

And as soon as there is a losing run these 'fans' desert in droves. It sounds good in practice but business is never that clear cut.

Quoted from MarinerRob

And as soon as there is a losing run these 'fans' desert in droves. It sounds good in practice but business is never that clear cut.

Alright then, let's just carry on being mediocre. That's working great.

Heard Angol is subject of a bid from Sallford.

Quoted from ginnywings

Alright then, let's just carry on being mediocre. That's working great.

This excellent one line post really hit home last night. I'm in my early fifties now, and thinking back, I was in my early to mid thirties when I was last proud of the club as a whole. I've been proud of OP and I've been proud of the solidarity of our fans in non-league and our away support and I felt a huge amount of relief when we beat FGR at Wembley, but I've never been proud or excited about the club I support over the past twenty years. Now I might seem critical of how the club is being run but I just can't see anything significantly changing until I pop my clogs and that's really depressing. This mediocrity is becoming relentless and I can just see us carrying on being mediocre for as far into the future as I dare see. No new investment, same budget as last year then. No new board members, same ideas as last year then. And the year before that and the year before that. I'll punch the air when we score, I'll be peed off when we lose, but these past twenty years of mediocrity have taken their toll on me. It's like my inner joy of being a Town fan is becoming an inner duty. In my first thirty years of being a Town fan, I watched the McMenemy team, the Newman team, the Kerr team and I had the Buckley years each bookended by poor spells but good times were always round the corner. In what's becoming a not too dissimilar length of time, all I've watched is pretty much dross on the whole. So when our owner makes no apologies for how he runs my club after the worst season in my living memory, I can just see the writing on the wall for me following my club for the rest of my life. I can understand fans below the age of 25-30 wondering what I'm going on about as they've seen nothing other than different levels of dross in front of 4-5k fans at BP and I can understand them hunting around for slivers of hope, but something significant has got to change soon hasn't it? I know in football there's winners and losers and there's the haves and the have nots, but we've become a club that's a perennial loser and what's looking like a have not for eternity, or at least my eternity anyway. There'll always be winners and losers, but there's becoming fewer and fewer have nots as clubs find investment build new stadiums and infrastructure and progress. So I do get angry and frustrated with how the club's run and it's being run in so much of a small time way that a director proudly boasted of installing Sky TV for the players at Cheapside. My heart bleeds for me and it bleeds for our fans but I can't for the life of me get my head round how so many are so accepting of our fate. I've decided to stop posting about how our club is run, because it's going to be a waste of my time over the years I've got left on this planet. Think I'm going to have to quietly switch on my I-Follow each week, support the boys from afar and being realistic just let go of my hopes and dreams for GTFC in the future..

Quoted from Cloudy

Bye then

I said I'm going to stop moaning about how the club is being run because there's no point and I'm boring myself moaning about the same things season after season. I'll still post about the football on offer. You're such a nob sometimes Cloudy..

Quoted from Cloudy

Bye then

Considering you posted the words 'utter garbage' on social media on Saturday afternoon......

according to Mansfield reports, Salford have come in with a matching offer for Angol, so I guess its down to terms and which club Angol prefers to go to. This could get messy.

Salford would be offer bigger wages I'd imagine, but he might struggle for game time with Gaffney and Rooney already there.

Why Bigdog gets red crosses for mentioning the good years, is beyond me.

I too have those wonderful memories, even including the Shankly era.

Not like today's mediocrity.

Quoted from dicko995

according to Mansfield reports, Salford have come in with a matching offer for Angol, so I guess its down to terms and which club Angol prefers to go to. This could get messy.

Does he go to a club on the up or a club that's just muddling along?

Will be very suprised if he came here

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Does he go to a club on the up or a club that's just muddling along?

More a case of does he go to a club which will (almost certainly) pay him a lot more money. Not to mention that proximity to a major city will probably be a factor for a young footballer.

I feel the same way Bigdog. Slowly but surely, season on season, i feel less and less attachment to the club. I'm rapidly approaching 60 and other hobbies and interests are starting to look more appealing to me on a Saturday afternoon.

I saw on old footballing team mate of mine at half time on Saturday. He was at the game to have a look at the new squad and was a bit perplexed at the style of play, and couldn't believe we were winning the game, as FGR were clearly better than us. He was also bemoaning the fact that he couldn't get a pie or a pint because the scant facilities were overrun. We were at the back of the Main Stand and he said, "look at this stand, it hasn't changed since i was a young lad, it's depressing". I very much doubt he will be back for the second game of the season at BP. I know loads of people who have stopped going regularly for the same reasons. They keep dipping their toes in, then quickly decide that nothing has changed, and drift off again.

Quoted from ginnywings

I feel the same way Bigdog. Slowly but surely, season on season, i feel less and less attachment to the club. I'm rapidly approaching 60 and other hobbies and interests are starting to look more appealing to me on a Saturday afternoon.

I saw on old footballing team mate of mine at half time on Saturday. He was at the game to have a look at the new squad and was a bit perplexed at the style of play, and couldn't believe we were winning the game, as FGR were clearly better than us. He was also bemoaning the fact that he couldn't get a pie or a pint because the scant facilities were overrun. We were at the back of the Main Stand and he said, "look at this stand, it hasn't changed since i was a young lad, it's depressing". I very much doubt he will be back for the second game of the season at BP. I know loads of people who have stopped going regularly for the same reasons. They keep dipping their toes in, then quickly decide that nothing has changed, and drift off again.

I would love to know what hobbies are better than football on a Saturday afternoon for a post 60 year old (even after Saturday) Ginny as I would seriously start considering it!

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Considering you posted the words 'utter garbage' on social media on Saturday afternoon......

can you please back this up with some evidence.

I look forward to seeing this as it is simply a lie

Quoted from chipsandgravy

I would love to know what hobbies are better than football on a Saturday afternoon for a post 60 year old (even after Saturday) Ginny as I would seriously start considering it!

Walking and hiking in my case. If Town have no game, we can set off Friday night to the Moors, Dales, Peaks etc, and have a full day doing stuff i enjoy. A game on a Saturday means you can't do that, but has always taken priority over other pursuits. There was many a game last season when i sat looking out over the Humber and thinking i would rather be somewhere else.

2 days before the transfer window shuts and still no striker or wingback options we crave.

I was impressed with the midfield we bought in pre season but the lack of wingbacks and striking options we have struggled to get over the line have been dissapointing to say the least.

Quoted from ginnywings

Walking and hiking in my case. If Town have no game, we can set off Friday night to the Moors, Dales, Peaks etc, and have a full day doing stuff i enjoy. A game on a Saturday means you can't do that, but has always taken priority over other pursuits. There was many a game last season when i sat looking out over the Humber and thinking i would rather be somewhere else.

Tempting!!

Quoted from ginnywings

Walking and hiking in my case. If Town have no game, we can set off Friday night to the Moors, Dales, Peaks etc, and have a full day doing stuff i enjoy. A game on a Saturday means you can't do that, but has always taken priority over other pursuits. There was many a game last season when i sat looking out over the Humber and thinking i would rather be somewhere else.

hope i never feel this way :(

Quoted from jonnyboy82

2 days before the transfer window shuts and still no striker or wingback options we crave.

I was impressed with the midfield we bought in pre season but the lack of wingbacks and striking options we have struggled to get over the line have been dissapointing to say the least.

It could go down to the last 2 hours of the window!

https://twitter.com/mansfieldtownfc/status/1026752604867579909?s=19

Angol has turned us down according to the Mansfield manager.

Take your pick.....cycling, golf, stuff with the kids, whatever.

Personally I go for hill walking/mountain climbing or just generally visiting beautiful countryside (usually Dales, Lakes or Moors) with or without the kids.
I doubt I'll be back at BP in the next few weeks but then money and travel (150 mile round trip) are factors, along with the aspects outlined by Ginny and Bigdog.

I have to say that I agree that it is demoralising to see how little things have changed at BP (in every respect) in a long, long time and that there is little if any sign of any real investment, ambition or imagination. Shame because the market is there. The place was buzzing pre-kick off on Saturday.

Quoted from Tommy

https://twitter.com/mansfieldtownfc/status/1026752604867579909?s=19

Struggling to attract a player who cant get in the team at his current club in the same league !

Great onto option k.

He's made it pretty clear he doesn't want to come here. Bad feeling about this either way. On balance I'd rather we missed out tbh.

Wing backs more likely to be higher league young players on a season loan. That doesn't concern me as much and think we'll bring someone in.

Didnt want him anyway, prize turnip arrse

Really think we've dodged a bullet here.

Told you he wasn't coming x

From what I've read elsewhere, Saturday's result seems to have us marked down as relegation candidates. If Angol was ever as close as 50/50 (which I doubt) then that would have sealed it. Christ, they were even laughing at the Collins own goal on the Guardian football podcast.

Wait til we smack macc 6-0 saturday .

Not much you can do if he doesn't fancy it. I suppose our Syrian/ Bhutanese/ Yemeni centre forward with the volleyball playing wife is now our prime target.
Can you confirm this Kris ;D ;)

Hope we get plenty of penalties and Rose stays fit.

Quoted from forza ivano

Not much you can do if he doesn't fancy it. I suppose our Syrian/ Bhutanese/ Yemeni centre forward with the volleyball playing wife is now our prime target.
Can you confirm this Kris ;D ;)

After seeing that excrement show on Saturday he was on the first plane home back to Thailand. Realised the standard of football wasn't as good at this club.

By the sound of it Lee Angol thought the same lmao.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Wait til we smack macc 6-0 saturday .

::)

Quoted from Hagrid

hope i never feel this way :(

Why ever not? There's more to life than football, but i get where you are coming from. Age brings a different viewpoint on things, and i really hope that one day, you get to see some of the wonderful times and great football that i have witnessed over the years. Sadly, the last 15 have been pretty much devoid of excitement. Arnold's goal at Wembley and the winner against Notts County last season, are about the only two moments that can get anywhere near to that feeling of euphoria over the last few years. It's not a lot is it?

What FGR did to us on Saturday, we used to do to teams like Sheff Utd for instance. It's difficult for us older fans to take, with what we have witnessed in the past glory days, and other things are slowly taking priority.

I see we have now been turned down by another striker and you have to start questioning why the better players don't want to come here. There is an all pervading sense of failure about the place and we have not moved on one iota since we got back into the league.

Mansfield having a go at Fat Steve for his pursuit of Rose and for conducting negotiations in public yet why did they seem to think it was right to conduct the proposed sale of Angol through the media?

I am happy Town don't say anything until a deal has s complete

Quoted from Cloudy

Mansfield having a go at Fat Steve for his pursuit of Rose and for conducting negotiations in public yet why did they seem to think it was right to conduct the proposed sale of Angol through the media?

I am happy Town don't say anything until a deal has s complete

To put pressure on their own players for their own purposes probably. The more I read, the more I get the impression this move was never on the cards.

Quoted from Cloudy

Mansfield having a go at Fat Steve for his pursuit of Rose and for conducting negotiations in public yet why did they seem to think it was right to conduct the proposed sale of Angol through the media?

I am happy Town don't say anything until a deal has s complete

This begs the question of how many other players we have tried to entice that have turned us down, and which we never got to know about?

Only Mansfield putting this particular deal in the public eye has made us aware of it.

Players turn down clubs all the time.

It just very rarely becomes public knowledge.

Flitcroft has embarrassed himself here by making it public knowledge, which he shouldn't of done.

Don't panic, we have probably been turned down by 10-15 players already this window, its normal...

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Players turn down clubs all the time.

It just very rarely becomes public knowledge.

Flitcroft has embarrassed himself here by making it public knowledge, which he shouldn't of done.

Don't panic, we have probably been turned down by 10-15 players already this window, its normal...

Is it?

Mansfield had no trouble in signing him, and he's deemed surplus to requirements there now. This is Mansfield, a team who were nowhere near us for years.

Quoted from ginnywings

Is it?

Mansfield had no trouble in signing him, and he's deemed surplus to requirements there now. This is Mansfield, a team who were nowhere near us for years.

they are paying him 2.5k a week... we won't of gone near that offer.

Some fans need to realise we are not this huge club, and can't attract any player we want

Quoted from Cloudy

I am happy Town don't say anything until a deal has s complete

So Jolley hasn’t mentioned that left back from Burnley then?

Quoted from GollyGTFC

So Jolley hasn’t mentioned that left back from Burnley then?

He hasn't said we've made an official loan offer, no

Being retired I can manage to walk up Dales and Mountains, see grandkids, go to the tip etc on other days but fully appreciate the pull of family for those with jobs.
This is why Chaos and Ginny are so right about the club understanding the dynamics of modern life and asking 'What does the Community need, especially parents, and what would help?'

I missed out for my families sake and that was right. Mondays and thursdays are cheaper for Lakes B and B's.
The Economy runs on the 'Grey Pound' and so does G.T.F.C.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

So Jolley hasn’t mentioned that left back from Burnley then?

Pretty hard to deny interest when he played in a bloody friendly for us!

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

He hasn't said we've made an official loan offer, no

Oh, so it’s alright to talk about another club’s player if we word it in a way that doesn’t make it obviously whether we’ve made a formal approach or not?

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Oh, so it’s alright to talk about another club’s player if we word it in a way that doesn’t make it obviously whether we’ve made a formal approach or not?

He hasn't spoke about him at all though has he.

The player played in a friendly for us and since then, every time MJ has been asked about him he has declined to comment.

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

they are paying him 2.5k a week... we won't of gone near that offer.

Some fans need to realise we are not this huge club, and can't attract any player we want

Thank you for the lesson in football economics. I'd like to know how you know what his wage is, and i'd also like to know how the huge club that is Mansfield can attract him and we can't. Must be the massive gates they get over there. :-/

Quoted from ginnywings

Thank you for the lesson in football economics. I'd like to know how you know what his wage is, and i'd also like to know how the huge club that is Mansfield can attract him and we can't. Must be the massive gates they get over there. :-/

Salford will average about 1500 fans this season, yet we won't be able to compete with them when it comes to wages, so the attendances has nothing to do with it..

The Mansfield Chairman is wealthier than Fenty and is willing to chuck more of it at the club - their sponsors are the insurance company which he owns. He's been doing so for some years as well, so no surprise that they are paying higher wages than we can or their attendances would normally allow. It's the way of the footballing world these days, unfortunately.

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Salford will average about 1500 fans this season, yet we won't be able to compete with them when it comes to wages, so the attendances has nothing to do with it..

Obviously, my reference to gates went right over your head.

Sigh!

The point i am trying to make is that other clubs are attracting investment. I know it's not solely about attendances.

But for every club that's attracting investment, there are plenty like us tyat are strughling to.

I remember the season before Kevin Nolan at Notts County saying that players were turning them down due to there precarious position in the table. When they improved and moved up the table the same players agents were ringing him. He told them where to go.

Our 'brand' image is very poor at the moment more to do with a struggling season last year than Saturday. I am still hopeful that Jolley and his team are right for the club
and will improve our standing on and off the field. I fear that it will take longer than some are prepared for.

I wouldn't say that having the luck to get a wealthier sugar daddy than certain other clubs was really attracting 'investment'!

Did Wolves attract Jack Hayward or Blackburn attract Jack Walker or did they just have absolutely bundles of money with nothing else to spend it on and want their boyhood clubs to do well?

As always in these discussions, I'll whinge about the use of the word 'investment' as that indicates the expectation of a return. What is actually the point is that we don't have a wealthy benefactor willing to give the club a load of money as part of a vanity project which is what 99% of wealthy men who bankroll clubs are in it for.

What we need to do is somehow build a team such as that which Accrington or Wycombe to a lesser degree managed last season. No big bucks involved, but some decent players working to an effective system. We'll never compete with the Mansfields, Salfords and FGRs of this world as long as their owners are chucking totally unrealistic money at the clubs.

Quoted from 140381

Really think we've dodged a bullet here.

Yes of course we have. From his angol of course he is the one to have missed the bullet.

Quoted from chipsandgravy

I remember the season before Kevin Nolan at Notts County saying that players were turning them down due to there precarious position in the table. When they improved and moved up the table the same players agents were ringing him. He told them where to go.

Our 'brand' image is very poor at the moment more to do with a struggling season last year than Saturday. I am still hopeful that Jolley and his team are right for the club
and will improve our standing on and off the field. I fear that it will take longer than some are prepared for.

Yes it will be like turning an oil tanker round as they say. The whole club needs gradually bringing into the 20th century to start with.

I think spending a few quid sprucing BP will help!
Some paint and a new gents in the main stand.

Confirmation that Lee Angol has turned us down.

[url][/url]https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mansfield-town-striker-lee-angol-1869923[url][/url]

Disappointing. Wonder what the next option will be. Hopefully we’ve got other options.

Quoted from chipsandgravy

I remember the season before Kevin Nolan at Notts County saying that players were turning them down due to there precarious position in the table. When they improved and moved up the table the same players agents were ringing him. He told them where to go.

Our 'brand' image is very poor at the moment more to do with a struggling season last year than Saturday. I am still hopeful that Jolley and his team are right for the club
and will improve our standing on and off the field. I fear that it will take longer than some are prepared for.

Yep. A bit too early for a crisis, but I think we're going to be treading water for a while. And if he can't get the players in to make 5-3-2 or 3-5-2 work then he's going to have to change it sooner rather than later.

Still in shock tbh. Saturday made us a laughing stock. No one expected us to be promotion candidates, but it really was inept beyond words.

I think the response against Macclesfield will confirm or otherwise.

I think the way Mansfield have handled this is so unprofessional. To publicly disclose that not only have they accepted a bid from a named club but then to go on to announce that the player has turned down the offer is shameful in my opinion and I have no doubt that the people involved at Blundell Park will be less than impressed.

The problem at GTFC, and to a certain degree NE Lincs as a whole, is that it is stuck in a loop.
The area hasn't re-invented itself after the demise of the fishing industry with very few emerging industries capable of employing the vast numbers that were redundant after fishing collapsed. Even the chemical plants on the Humber Bank have been depleted with the likes of Norsk-Hydro, ICI ammonia plant, Doverstrand, Courtaulds and Titans just becoming a distant memory. As a consequence the whole area has a vast majority of people on probably less than average national wage and ,apart from the wind turbine industry, very few new developments in the realistic pipeline.

Then we have GTFC. Blundell Park is a relic of a bygone age and really isn't fit for purpose as regards what is required of a modern football ground. The club doesn't have the money to re-locate and the local council seem reluctant to add any real assistance to expedite this. As well as affecting those that go to BP as supporters I'm fairly sure that the facilities don't impress all prospective players as well. The whole area can seem quite depressing to outsiders although we locals know that there are some beautiful areas within a 30 minute drive from the ground/training facilities. We don't have a wealthy benefactor to " prop " the club up and have to depend purely on gates, commercial income and transfer fees. There are very few non-football based income streams , which is very much down to the limitations of BP. But we can't move from BP to alleviate it's problems because we haven't the money or benefactor. A lot of fans seem to have either forgotten or weren't aware that when the idea of a new ground was first mentioned it came about because the Board at that time wanted to develop BP. They approached the council of they day and they explicitly said that they would rather the club moved ground and that they , as an authority, would do all they could to assist the club in moving.
Now , as we all know, very little assistance has come from successive councils and in the meantime we are stuck in a ground that is slowly deteriorating and holding us back in so many ways. If we try to improve BP then you are talking about major investment which surely would be better spent on a new ground with 21st century facilities. I wonder how much longer it is before the Main Stand is deemed " unsafe " because of its all wooden structure ( apart from the fact that it is a fire risk and I would imagine the insurance is not cheap. I understand that the floodlights are under threat of being condemned so there would be another huge cost although I'm sure we could get some kind of grant from the FL.We are stuck in a loop and there seems no way out.

Remember, he has played (I think) against us at BP.  So he will have seen the pitiful state of our changing rooms.
I have no idea how they compare to Mansfield or Salford, but I think you would struggle to see any worse than ours at a League ground.

To be fair, I last saw them about 3 years ago, but they hadn't change since the 10 years before that when I last had a tour.  So if they have been updated since then I apologise.

I've said it before.  If I was trying to sign a player, I'd do everything I could to seal the deal before they looked around BP.

If it's very fine margins as to whether they sign or not, I genuinely believe it could go against us.

Use some of the cash to bring Podge back.

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

they are paying him 2.5k a week... we won't of gone near that offer.

Some fans need to realise we are not this huge club, and can't attract any player we want

Where is your evidence for this, you're spouting absolute rubbish.

Quoted from jimgtfc

I think the way Mansfield have handled this is so unprofessional. To publicly disclose that not only have they accepted a bid from a named club but then to go on to announce that the player has turned down the offer is shameful in my opinion and I have no doubt that the people involved at Blundell Park will be less than impressed.

They probably want to sell him and know he doesn’t want to come here. Great idea to let other clubs know he’s available and folk are after him.
It’s part and parcel of buying and selling players.

Maybe its because the town is a excrement hole?
Im town through and through but any player comes to this town for a look round would surely panic.

I have lived in various places around England and seen some pretty rough areas but good old GY is still up there with the worst, the town still hasnt let its fishing past go and is in the doldrums.

Quoted from rancido

The problem at GTFC, and to a certain degree NE Lincs as a whole, is that it is stuck in a loop.
The area hasn't re-invented itself after the demise of the fishing industry with very few emerging industries capable of employing the vast numbers that were redundant after fishing collapsed. Even the chemical plants on the Humber Bank have been depleted with the likes of Norsk-Hydro, ICI ammonia plant, Doverstrand, Courtaulds and Titans just becoming a distant memory. As a consequence the whole area has a vast majority of people on probably less than average national wage and ,apart from the wind turbine industry, very few new developments in the realistic pipeline.

Then we have GTFC. Blundell Park is a relic of a bygone age and really isn't fit for purpose as regards what is required of a modern football ground. The club doesn't have the money to re-locate and the local council seem reluctant to add any real assistance to expedite this. As well as affecting those that go to BP as supporters I'm fairly sure that the facilities don't impress all prospective players as well. The whole area can seem quite depressing to outsiders although we locals know that there are some beautiful areas within a 30 minute drive from the ground/training facilities. We don't have a wealthy benefactor to " prop " the club up and have to depend purely on gates, commercial income and transfer fees. There are very few non-football based income streams , which is very much down to the limitations of BP. But we can't move from BP to alleviate it's problems because we haven't the money or benefactor. A lot of fans seem to have either forgotten or weren't aware that when the idea of a new ground was first mentioned it came about because the Board at that time wanted to develop BP. They approached the council of they day and they explicitly said that they would rather the club moved ground and that they , as an authority, would do all they could to assist the club in moving.
Now , as we all know, very little assistance has come from successive councils and in the meantime we are stuck in a ground that is slowly deteriorating and holding us back in so many ways. If we try to improve BP then you are talking about major investment which surely would be better spent on a new ground with 21st century facilities. I wonder how much longer it is before the Main Stand is deemed " unsafe " because of its all wooden structure ( apart from the fact that it is a fire risk and I would imagine the insurance is not cheap. I understand that the floodlights are under threat of being condemned so there would be another huge cost although I'm sure we could get some kind of grant from the FL.We are stuck in a loop and there seems no way out.

I have come to the conclusion the stadium is the least of our problems. It won't happen anyway and if it ever did whilst Fenty was at the helm it would be a disaster, like everything else. It would end up being the worst of all worlds - a soulless box in the wrong place (no doubt) with honest John trying to put the new main stand up all by himself.

All our energies need to be on getting some on field success first, and then maybe things might follow.

As you say, surely there are grants to build a new main stand or install new floodlights? Then again if the club has to pay part of the cost then it is a no go as Fenty cannot seem to get any investment into the club at all.

I work around the country, Grimsby and Cleethorpes has its bad parts, but it also has its fair share of nice areas. It is no different to other places..

I regularly come across people from the Grimsby area who leave/work away, they are all proud of the Town they come from..

Grimsby and Cleethorpes has it's problems, but also has a lot of positives...

Great countryside, nice seaside and lower than average property prices, which can make houses more affordable... 8-)

Quoted from monkeyboy

Maybe its because the town is a excrement hole?
Im town through and through but any player comes to this town for a look round would surely panic.

I have lived in various places around England and seen some pretty rough areas but good old GY is still up there with the worst, the town still hasnt let its fishing past go and is in the doldrums.

God which part do you live in ?! Do you think we conduct the deal in Freeman Street? A pro footballer can afford to buy or rent a fantastic house in any of the brilliant areas of the town or just outside.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

God which part do you live in ?! Do you think we conduct the deal in Freeman Street? A pro footballer can afford to buy or rent a fantastic house in any of the brilliant areas of the town or just outside.

Oh i live on west marsh. although to get to the ground it is still required to travel through some shitty looking parts, cant set a good image.

Not sure how much average league 2 footballers get tbh but i wouldnt imagine it being easy getting a mortgage living on 1 year contracts.

Quoted from monkeyboy

Maybe its because the town is a excrement hole?
Im town through and through but any player comes to this town for a look round would surely panic.

I have lived in various places around England and seen some pretty rough areas but good old GY is still up there with the worst, the town still hasnt let its fishing past go and is in the doldrums.

As opposed to Mansfield which is like Monte Carlo when the sun is shining. Ah but of course it is near a "big city" like Sheffield so that isn't a problem. If I have heard this argument once I have heard it a thousand times. Some players will come for various reasons, some won't. The same as at Bury or Oldham or Scunthorpe or any other English town.

Quoted from rancido

The problem at GTFC, and to a certain degree NE Lincs as a whole, is that it is stuck in a loop.
The area hasn't re-invented itself after the demise of the fishing industry with very few emerging industries capable of employing the vast numbers that were redundant after fishing collapsed. Even the chemical plants on the Humber Bank have been depleted with the likes of Norsk-Hydro, ICI ammonia plant, Doverstrand, Courtaulds and Titans just becoming a distant memory. As a consequence the whole area has a vast majority of people on probably less than average national wage and ,apart from the wind turbine industry, very few new developments in the realistic pipeline.

Then we have GTFC. Blundell Park is a relic of a bygone age and really isn't fit for purpose as regards what is required of a modern football ground. The club doesn't have the money to re-locate and the local council seem reluctant to add any real assistance to expedite this. As well as affecting those that go to BP as supporters I'm fairly sure that the facilities don't impress all prospective players as well. The whole area can seem quite depressing to outsiders although we locals know that there are some beautiful areas within a 30 minute drive from the ground/training facilities. We don't have a wealthy benefactor to " prop " the club up and have to depend purely on gates, commercial income and transfer fees. There are very few non-football based income streams , which is very much down to the limitations of BP. But we can't move from BP to alleviate it's problems because we haven't the money or benefactor. A lot of fans seem to have either forgotten or weren't aware that when the idea of a new ground was first mentioned it came about because the Board at that time wanted to develop BP. They approached the council of they day and they explicitly said that they would rather the club moved ground and that they , as an authority, would do all they could to assist the club in moving.
Now , as we all know, very little assistance has come from successive councils and in the meantime we are stuck in a ground that is slowly deteriorating and holding us back in so many ways. If we try to improve BP then you are talking about major investment which surely would be better spent on a new ground with 21st century facilities. I wonder how much longer it is before the Main Stand is deemed " unsafe " because of its all wooden structure ( apart from the fact that it is a fire risk and I would imagine the insurance is not cheap. I understand that the floodlights are under threat of being condemned so there would be another huge cost although I'm sure we could get some kind of grant from the FL.We are stuck in a loop and there seems no way out.

What a load of balderdash. The council has spent more money than it should with regards to helping find an unsuitable site. Then it agrees to sell the site at a really knock down price to help the club to the detriment of all the residents on the borough.
The club would only have to make a very small investment in bp to make matchday a far better experience. Those that aren't prepared to help themselves dont deserve public money

Oh my, all that preseason optimism soon dissipated didn't it :P

One defeat, a striker who turns us down and it's the end of the world!

We've only played our opening game so far!

I suspect we are still in for some dark days in the coming weeks but things will get better as the season progresses and the squad settles, I'm sure of it.

I still say we'll be comfortably mid table. That would still be progress on last season.

Quoted from MarinerMal

Oh my, all that preseason optimism soon dissipated didn't :P

One defeat, a striker who turns us down and it's the end of the world!

We've only played our opening game so far!

I suspect we are still in for some dark days in the coming weeks but things will get better as the season progresses and the squad settles, I'm sure of it.

I still say we'll be comfortably mid table. That would still be progress on last season.

And that glorious day is perpetually some time in the future. It never does get better does it?

Quoted from ginnywings

And that glorious day is perpetually some time in the future. It never does get better does it?

No it doesn’t Ginny but I think, like many, you don’t expect it to. I would like to think that one day GTFC will somehow exceed our expectations again but, sadly I’ve got used to ongoing mediocrity. Thanks to MJ, we were spared another relegation but , unless something changes dramatically, we’ve got what we’ve got

Quoted from ginnywings

And that glorious day is perpetually some time in the future. It never does get better does it?

Well, I'm kind of hoping it gets better than a 4-1 home defeat to FGR, however, that may not be setting the bar very high :)

The old glory days of the 80's/90's may be beyond us in our current guise but we can still compete in this league and given a fair wind maybe even achieve a promotion to the League above.

That will not be this season obviously but I'm not willing to give up on our season yet after one very poor game. There is another 45 to go. I still feel a mid table finish is where we'll likley end up

There are many ups and downs to go yet, football has always been that way, you've just forgotten how to enjoy the ride. ;)

I wonder what options are available to Jolley now, other that loaning an untested youngster from a premiership/championship club.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Considering you posted the words 'utter garbage' on social media on Saturday afternoon......

Still wAiting for your evidence Old Codger. Come on, you cannot make accusations about a fellow fan without being to back it up

Quoted from Cloudy

Still wAiting for your evidence Old Codger. Come on, you cannot make accusations about a fellow fan without being to back it up

I saw it too

The town itself has little to do with the signings the club makes , most of the players work time is spent on cheapside a short drive from some beautiful country side and desirable villages with properties within a league 2 footballers budget ,so really don't think any prospective striker will be considering the nunny or marsh for potential homes , and Tesco Hewitt circus is swarming with town players and the occasional scunny players in the week , never seen any in aldis or lidls .

Quoted from Cloudy

Still wAiting for your evidence Old Codger. Come on, you cannot make accusations about a fellow fan without being to back it up

Many of you posts are very similar in both timing and content to someone who tweets about GTFC - I apologise if this isn't you but the pattern seems more than coincidental.

Mansfailed allegedly agreeing to a deal with us and making it public sounds like they wanted to get at Angol and force his hand.

Did he ever want to come here?

Either way, it does not matter stuff the lot of them.

Fed up with people knocking this town and our club, believe it or not, there are lots of hard working people live here with pride in their place of residence and football team.

If you don't like us go feck yourselves we still have the best fans in this division.

UTM.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Many of you posts are very similar in both timing and content to someone who tweets about GTFC - I apologise if this isn't you but the pattern seems more than coincidental.

Just post the Twitter id you think he is and put this to bed.

I think you are a very shrewd person Old Codger

Quoted from golfer

I think you are a very shrewd person Old Codger

The feeling is mutual golfer - although some of your posts are a bit random!

Quoted from Townee82

The town itself has little to do with the signings the club makes , most of the players work time is spent on cheapside a short drive from some beautiful country side and desirable villages with properties within a league 2 footballers budget ,so really don't think any prospective striker will be considering the nunny or marsh for potential homes , and Tesco Hewitt circus is swarming with town players and the occasional scunny players in the week , never seen any in aldis or lidls .

Every club of the 92 has beautiful countryside a few minutes drive away so, as you say, the town has little to do with whether a player signs. Wages first, then prospects for the team and who the manager is, are what matters.
As for Angol, I don't think he'd have been the right fit. He'll be sorry when Grimsby are pushing for top three come March.......................
and yes I have seen the goals from Saturday.

Quoted from ROKERITE

Every club of the 92 has beautiful countryside a few minutes drive away so, as you say, the town has little to do with whether a player signs. Wages first, then prospects for the team and who the manager is, are what matters.
As for Angol, I don't think he'd have been the right fit. He'll be sorry when Grimsby are pushing for top three come March.......................
and yes I have seen the goals from Saturday.

What, even Luton?

Quoted from Townee82

The town itself has little to do with the signings the club makes , most of the players work time is spent on cheapside a short drive from some beautiful country side and desirable villages with properties within a league 2 footballers budget ,so really don't think any prospective striker will be considering the nunny or marsh for potential homes , and Tesco Hewitt circus is swarming with town players and the occasional scunny players in the week , never seen any in aldis or lidls .

Macca goes mid range. Saw him in Morrisons car park a few weeks back, loading shopping into his boot. Not a woman in sight. Wouldn't have happened in my day. ;)

Quoted from ginnywings

Macca goes mid range. Saw him in Morrisons car park a few weeks back, loading shopping into his boot. Not a woman in sight. Wouldn't have happened in my day. ;)

I find that hard to believe. I know there are some rough women in GY but they don't all look like men.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The feeling is mutual golfer - although some of your posts are a bit random!

In Finland "falu red" or "punamulta" is used to paint their houses or barns-how can you say some of my posts are random or were you just being kind

Quoted from realist

What a load of balderdash. The council has spent more money than it should with regards to helping find an unsuitable site. Then it agrees to sell the site at a really knock down price to help the club to the detriment of all the residents on the borough.
The club would only have to make a very small investment in bp to make matchday a far better experience. Those that aren't prepared to help themselves dont deserve public money

Is it a load of balderdash that the fishing industry declined and along with the loss of several other major employers we don't have the levels of high paid employment anymore?
Is it a load of balderdash that large parts of NE Lincs don't look particularly nice areas especially in the vicinity of the ground?
Is it a load of balderdash that BP is a throw back and has very poor facilities?
I'd like to know how much is a " very small investment" ? For a start you would have to clear half the base area of the Findus stand just to expand the toilets to a level that could accomodate most of the fans at half time. How much to replace the Main Stand? How much to replace the floodlights? If done all of these things would still be papering over the cracks and they still don't bring in non-football income streams to help subsidise the club.