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We finished 9th last year and missed out on the playoffs in the last game. The number of points we get is irrelevant. If we don’t finish in the top 7, then no matter which way you spin it, it’s clearly not progression.
Isn’t a case of spinning, it’s a case of how I feel about this season compared to last. More points is more points.. winning more games, scoring more goals, conceding less, keeping more clean sheets. I find that very hard not to be judged as progression.. |
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I'll be honest, I've had similar conversations over this past season and the concensus has been that if we don't mske the play offs then we need to be looking at autos next season, the club, squad, everything really is set up for us to push on, if we dont we'd have to agree tgat any progression has stalled and a new direction may be required....so in my imo, Artell has stabilised us, and I'm fully expecting us to kick the bottom out of LG2 next season.
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We finished 9th last year and missed out on the playoffs in the last game. The number of points we get is irrelevant. If we don’t finish in the top 7, then no matter which way you spin it, it’s clearly not progression.
Dont want to sound pedantic but surely 8th/9th with 5+ more points than last season is clear improvement objectively We ain't there yet.My own main concern is we tank like last season , we shouldn't we have a better squad . But if we accumulate 9 or 10 points + over the last 6 and others better that I think you have got to hold your hands up and say they have done exceptionally well- hopefully the others are the one's looking at us and saying the exact same thing . |
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One of the main factors is anytime over the last 15 years except maybe 2 seasons - we’re comfortably in the playoffs. This season is going to require an unusually high points total.
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Can see the argument, probably has a bit of truth to it - it's what I thought last year funnily enough. However not sure it fits *as much* this year. I'd fancy us in the playoffs format though, if we get there.
There's a very strong case that since Christmas - with the additions we've had - we're one of the best teams in this division.... results/performance wise etc. 38 points from 19, 2 points a game - that's 92 points over a 46 game season (doesn't work like that I know)
It's not just post-Christmas. Outside of that 7 game run I mentioned above, we've maintained a PPG of 1.97 throughout the rest of the season, which still gets you to 91 points over 46 games. That would have been comfortably good enough for the automatics, with current third-placed side Notts County tracking at 1.81 PPG or 83 points over a full season. Artell must absolutely do his nut over this, as when you look back there wasn't really much going wrong during that period that you could pin on him. It was all a case of seasoned pros making 5+ years' worth of individual errors, all concentrated into the space of 7 league games. I just don't know how you begin to explain it. I repeat, to not make even the play-offs, almost entirely on the back of that dark time in early winter would be absolutely galling. |
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For me, last season proved we were not quite good enough at the time - missing out on a play-off spot on the final day, but with a goal difference of -6 tells you as much.
This season, we're a much better side, imo. It might not have felt that way walking away from the Harrogate game, but a win on Saturday would match last season's 68 points total with another 5 games to go, and our GD is currently 22 better than how we finished last term. Not to mention the fact we beat Manchester United and matched another Premier League side in all but scoreline.
And yet Sod's Law dictates there's a reasonable chance we may fail to make the play-offs yet again because, let's be honest, we had that absurd run of 7 games where we accrued a cumulative xG of 12.02 vs. 6.68, and yet picked up just three, single points - just 0.43 PPG. I still find that period so utterly inexplicable; a combination of Christy Pym completely forgetting how to keep goal, McJannet guilty of numerous uncharacteristic brain farts, all while our forward players became seemingly incapable of finishing for toffee.
We really, really ought to be pushing for automatic promotion right now - outside of that bizarre run we've absolutely been good enough for that, make no mistake. But we aren't, and instead we find ourselves stretching to nick 7th place.
If we make the play-offs, we'll win them imo. I feel certain of that. What's much less certain is whether we do get there in the first place. If we don't, I'll be absolutely gutted - much more so than I was last season.
I actually think it would be a bit of a failure if we don't make the playoffs. Because the team is good enough, the performances have been good enough. That bad run was a disaster, but we hauled ourselves back into it. I am not usually one to blame individuals, but I think Christy Pym's goalkeeping might have cost us promotion this season. Had we had Smith all season I think we'd probably be in a title race. Since Christmas we've become much more resistant to physical teams. We are now in a position though where injuries to Khouri and Vernam might stop us getting there. |
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It's not just post-Christmas. Outside of that 7 game run I mentioned above, we've maintained a PPG of 1.97 throughout the rest of the season, which still gets you to 91 points over 46 games. That would have been comfortably good enough for the automatics, with current third-placed side Notts County tracking at 1.81 PPG or 83 points over a full season.
Artell must absolutely do his nut over this, as when you look back there wasn't really much going wrong during that period that you could pin on him. It was all a case of seasoned pros making 5+ years' worth of individual errors, all concentrated into the space of 7 league games. I just don't know how you begin to explain it.
I repeat, to not make even the play-offs, almost entirely on the back of that dark time in early winter would be absolutely galling.
Strong agree mate - that run (where we didn’t play particularly poorly at all) is baffling even now. That’ll be what costs us if something does. Even more frustrating because any other season in the last 15 - it wouldn’t have and we’d have recovered from it in the table by now. Coupled with this years high totals, it could absolutely kill us… How’s your luck! |
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Isn’t a case of spinning, it’s a case of how I feel about this season compared to last.
More points is more points.. winning more games, scoring more goals, conceding less, keeping more clean sheets. I find that very hard not to be judged as progression..
Ok then, hypothetically speaking, if we’d struggled last season , finished 3rd from bottom with 40 points but stayed up because of a couple of basket cases and this season we got 45 points , won more games ,scored more goals , kept more clean sheets but still went down, then by your logic this would be progression ? It’s the final table that will determine if we’ve progressed or not. |
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Ok then, hypothetically speaking, if we’d struggled last season , finished 3rd from bottom with 40 points but stayed up because of a couple of basket cases and this season we got 45 points , won more games ,scored more goals , kept more clean sheets but still went down, then by your logic this would be progression ?
It’s the final table that will determine if we’ve progressed or not.
Two different scenarios that aren’t comparable to each other - hypothetically or otherwise. |
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Two different scenarios that aren’t comparable to each other - hypothetically or otherwise.
Of course they are, you didn’t answer my question! |
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