Southgate resigns (merged)

Steps  Down as England Manager

Who's next

He's had enough years, nobody should hog the position.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c978e37ld7ro

Who next?

Only one man can bring pass and move to this England team....time for Sir Alan Buckley to take charge!

Back in the real world though, who'd want the job? Has to be the highest pressure job in football outside of being the Brazil head coach, and you can't impact the team in the way you can as a club manager.  I guess the upside to it is the FA don't need to make a decision straight away, there's time to try and get it right

I’ve been a huge fan of Southgate these last 8 years, and think he deserves immense credit for transforming the reputation of the England team, which was a laughing stock before his arrival.

Perhaps though he will be remembered as a man brilliant at getting England to the line, but not quite over it. We now need someone who can do both - is there an Englishman out there capable of that feat?

I don’t think Howe would take it, nor would I particularly want him. Potter has been out of work for a while, had Brighton performing some lovely stuff (but not quite as lovely as De Zerbi), but didn’t cope well with a high-pressure at Chelsea.

I think people would be broadly unhappy if the FA defaulted to Carsley. That wouldn’t represent the step change people want to see.

Lampard? Surely not!?

Then we’re very quickly into foreigners, aren’t we. I think based on the limited pool of available English managers, that feels like the most likely direction.

The one that comes to mind first who I think will get it is Eddie Howe the problem a part from probably slightly better football he's carbon copy of Southgate's personality the way he acts with media, I heard people saying he has a project with Newcastle but he nearly got sacked last season.

My perfect choice is the Spain manager he got Spain playing more direct with high press his Spain side did everything England fans wanted England to play.

In my opinion we should look for the best manager out there, regardless of what Nationality he is.

I've been critical of Southgate ths tournament and think it was the right time for him to step down, but it doesn't take away from the job he's done. He'll obviously be remembered for taking us to two finals but it's arguably the work he's done changing the culture around the set up that was most important. He's left the team in a great place and it feels like the next appointment is a huge one, with so much potential for success at the next two tournaments.

Howe would be my pick as his personality is similar to Southgate's but he's better tactically, so it would be evolution rather than revolution. Bournemouth played some great attacking football in the prem but he changed his style at Newcastle to make them one of the best defensive forces (in his first full season). That kind of tactical adaptable is handy in tournament football.

Before the announcement I saw Gerrard and Lampard's names mentioned. They would leave me cold, neither of them have amazing records.

Who can bring us sexy football?

I suspect it will be Howe or Potter. Hopefully not one of the golden generation who, barring a Scottish title, have flopped in management.

As for foreigners, Pep? Joachim Low? Tuchel? Emery? Zizou?

Klopp

Write down a blank cheque and ask Pep what he wants

Unlike previous times, it's a great job to get. There isn't a root and branch review, there's not a cracked badge on the back page of The Sun, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Carsley get it. He's worked with the younger players and had success.


(Also I backed him a year ago)

There were several teams at the Euros that proved you didn’t need to play defensively and that success(relatively speaking of course) could be achieved with high energy , front foot and aggressive football.
I’d love for the next manager to be capable of building on the foundations Gareth’s left but with those principles at the centre of how he gets the team playing.
I’d go all in for Klopp but that won’t be a goer and so I think Howe is the man.

Absolutely NOT to Klopp.

Done more to undermine English football than anyone, He is part of the reason Lower League clubs no longer have replays, unlikeable, arrogant helmet.

Not sitting on the fence on this one  

The FA said yesterday that they have a succession plan in place for them to come out with that would suggest an internal promotion.

I’m not sure why Howe, Potter, Lampard, Gerrard would have the credentials to manage a major international side.

Klopp, no thanks as I wouldn’t want the world to be turned against us, Pep? I just can’t see it.

Personally I’m not bothered about an English candidate I just want someone who understands international football & idealy has experience leading at that level even if it’s with a younger age group.

I hope Gareth stays on in some sort of role that looks after the long term FA international framework without getting involved in the national side.

It’ll be Lee Carsley. It’ll be uninspiring but the succession appears obvious.

I'd go for Poch personally, though I suspect it will be Potter. Whoever gets it I doubt they will achieve what Southgate has and those who've said 'any manager could do well with these players' will see that's not the case.

Graham Potter for me and Lee Carsley as assistant only real option isn't it.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

The FA said yesterday that they have a succession plan in place for them to come out with that would suggest an internal promotion.

I’m not sure why Howe, Potter, Lampard, Gerrard would have the credentials to manage a major international side.

Klopp, no thanks as I wouldn’t want the world to be turned against us, Pep? I just can’t see it.

Personally I’m not bothered about an English candidate I just want someone who understands international football & idealy has experience leading at that level even if it’s with a younger age group.

I hope Gareth stays on in some sort of role that looks after the long term FA international framework without getting involved in the national side.

You do know that most of the world dislikes us already right and that’s before we get further than the United Kingdom!🤪
I’m sure the Spanish questioned their gaffer’s credentials too, as we did for Southgate when he was appointed.
I agree with you that the successful candidate doesn’t have to be English which is something I was vehemently opposed to when I was younger.
I would just like to look forward to watching the national side which isn’t something I’ve done for years.

Nothing would sum up the FA better than if they appointed some insipid dullard with an awful record purely on the basis of them being English.

I posted the other day on here but Klopp wouldn’t be able to match his club success as an international manager due to the stop start nature of international football. Guardiola might have more success tactically but the limited pool of talent available - and no transfers and hefty wage packages available to him - puts some doubt in my mind at least. If you’re going down the highly successful manager route then Mourinho is probably the most likely to win a tournament but he’s old news now and probably has one eye on Martinez’s future in Portugal.

Potter is a project manager but would he get three tournaments if he didn’t him the ground running with a QF or SF in the next WC? Pochettino still be mentioned as a good manager is laughable. I am on my knees begging the FA not to go down the Gerrard/Lampard route. Carsley will be deemed an FA yes man but they’ve invested a lot of time into turning us into a good tournament team. It seems the most obvious choice to me.

I'm open-minded about who'll be our next manager.

Southgate is our most successful manager since 1966 in terms of how far he's taken us in major tournaments — and I wouldn't have predicted that after he got Middlesbrough relegated!

I think international management is very different from club management. As Southgate has proven, his record domestically had no bearing on his record internationally.

Clearly, an England manager needs to be a clever tactician, someone who's astute enough to know how to win games using the talent he has at his disposal. But also, crucially, he needs to be a great man-manager, and know how to create amazing team ethos and camaraderie.

I'm not saying it's the camaraderie that took us so far in tournaments under Southgate, but again, it's safe to assume it made a huge difference.

Let's face it — we were pretty uninspiring at this year's Euros, but we made the final. The players were most definitely playing for each other, and for Southgate (if not in the style that would have delighted the fans).

Laughable that gerrard and lsmpard have been mentioned in some papers....

Neither should be allowed anywhere near England again

People talking up Carsley but i'd like to see a change of voice .....

Quoted from Yossarian

Laughable that gerrard and lsmpard have been mentioned in some papers....

Neither should be allowed anywhere near England again

Especially Lampard who thus far has been a failed manager at different clubs. I should be on the shortlist above Lampard.

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I posted the other day on here but Klopp wouldn’t be able to match his club success as an international manager due to the stop start nature of international football. Guardiola might have more success tactically but the limited pool of talent available - and no transfers and hefty wage packages available to him - puts some doubt in my mind at least. If you’re going down the highly successful manager route then Mourinho is probably the most likely to win a tournament but he’s old news now and probably has one eye on Martinez’s future in Portugal.

Potter is a project manager but would he get three tournaments if he didn’t him the ground running with a QF or SF in the next WC? Pochettino still be mentioned as a good manager is laughable. I am on my knees begging the FA not to go down the Gerrard/Lampard route. Carsley will be deemed an FA yes man but they’ve invested a lot of time into turning us into a good tournament team. It seems the most obvious choice to me.

The bit about Klopp not being able to replicate his success at international level might be right but not for those reasons. Several teams played very similarly to his style with relative success. Besides the best managers adapt accordingly. I guess it’s a moot point either way as he’s not going to be a candidate.
You are probably right about Carsley though unfortunately!

We celebrated getting to a semi-final.  

Now complaining losing a final to a top team.

Pep is one of the best managers.  Even he got it badly wrong in a CL Final.  Dropping Rodri and another midfielder.  Chelsea beat them.

I think it’s important we kept the manager English for the sole reason I feel that would help keep the brilliant harmony that Southgate has built. We have a team full of brilliant players and somebody with better tactical nous has an amazing opportunity to take this team over the line.

Southgates club record was poor and he took us as far as he did, somebody like Potter would be a perfectly good appointment IMO.

Quoted from Yossarian

Laughable that gerrard and lsmpard have been mentioned in some papers....

Neither should be allowed anywhere near England again

People talking up Carsley but i'd like to see a change of voice .....

It’s interesting isn’t it, one of the things we’re told makes successful international teams is all age groups playing in the similar/same way. I just wonder what scope that gives other coaches in the organisation to do some of their own stuff.

Will be a tough choice for the FA to make for sure, get it right and we can kick on to the next level and be a force for the next 2,4,6,8, even ten years, get it wrong and that could put us back 20

The players are there, on paper one of the strongest squads in world football it's just finding the right man to lead us, if it was me i would offer Pep the job if he would come or not is another matter

Thomas Franke could be an interesting left field choice should we go down the international route. Has experience at Danish youth levels and has done a great job for Brentford.

How anout Stevie G and Fat Frank as joint managers? I'm sure they would dovetail just as well as during their time in England's midfield. Bring Scholes in for good measure as well.

Mourinho is waaaaay too toxic to be considered and I think they'll go the Carsley route as well. Problem then is if we keep the same tactical approach which we've seen isn't good enough to win tournaments.

With Sancho returning to the Manyoo fold, I wonder if he'll be back into the squad to add more pace and trickery in attack? He looked very good in the Dortmund games in the Champions League knock-out rounds.

Carsley would seem a good choice, he's part of the setup so he doesn't have to learn much about the international game. Some of the others are good at club level but can they move up a step?

I wish Southgate well and he's done a good job for us, but he made some poor decisions this time round.

Carsley will get it, maybe on an 'interim' basis initially for the Nations League.

Quoted from Maringer

How anout Stevie G and Fat Frank as joint managers? I'm sure they would dovetail just as well as during their time in England's midfield. Bring Scholes in for good measure as well.

Mourinho is waaaaay too toxic to be considered and I think they'll go the Carsley route as well. Problem then is if we keep the same tactical approach which we've seen isn't good enough to win tournaments.

With Sancho returning to the Manyoo fold, I wonder if he'll be back into the squad to add more pace and trickery in attack? He looked very good in the Dortmund games in the Champions League knock-out rounds.

I reallly hope you're joking!

Southgate's done a great job in moving us away from that group/second round failure into one of the big hitters on the international stage, he deserves immense credit for that.

Tactically I think he came up short when it mattered but his eight years had a consistent theme throughout where his ability to unite a squad of big personalities outweighed, for the majority, any failures on his part.  That togetherness was as much a reason for the relative success as anything else.

We shouldn't forget how far we've come on under Southgate.  But we need to build on that, the key is to build on and not start from scratch again.  Evolution rather than revolution.  On that basis I'll be shocked if it's not Lee Carsley, the only thing that might prevent that is if he actually wants it.  He stepped away from club management because he didn't like the pressure on him and his family life.

Steve Cooper although recently recruited by Leicester is also a favourite of the FA set up.

First of all I would like to thank Southgate for all his hard work and for being the most successful England manager since Ramsey .

His only fault was the way he set the team up like Hurst a bit defensive until we went behind and subs coming on too late .

He has a very good record that will take a lot of beating and the only man working in England that I believe could better that is Pep .

Would be want it and could he prepare the side in the short times he will have with them.

Who is there in international football could we persuade to take the job. ?

The good thing going for it is we have a very talented set of players that are very capable of winning things for years to come.

Who else is there ? To be honest I have no idea we shall just have to hope he is out there and he wants the job.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

We celebrated getting to a semi-final.  

Now complaining losing a final to a top team.

Pep is one of the best managers.  Even he got it badly wrong in a CL Final.  Dropping Rodri and another midfielder.  Chelsea beat them.

Excluding Greece in 2008 with a German Manager, no other team, World Cup or Euros, has managed to win with a foreign manager. Just saying.

Quoted from GrimPol

Excluding Greece in 2008 with a German Manager, no other team, World Cup or Euros, has managed to win with a foreign manager. Just saying.

Greece won it in 2004.

If you cross the pond - Sampaoli twice in the Copa America. I’m sure there are more too.

I think Carsley on an interim basis is a good solution. He knows the "system", he's been successful with the U21's and knows quite a few of the younger players currently in the England side. If he bombs out in the Nations league then so what.
Didn't he recently turn down the ROI, so maybe he been told to be on stand by. Suspect Gareth would have gone even if we'd won against Spain

I've always fancied seeing Howe given a chance to see what he could do. He shares Southgate's composed demeanor but advocates for a more progressive style of football, which I think would be better to watch.

Lee Carsley is another strong contender I'd be happy with. He had success in leading the England U-21 team to a Euro victory last year  (beating Spain's U21 in the final 1-0). He also had his team playing an attacking expansive kind of football impressing many outside of England. One stat from the tournament was 4 of the top 5 goals involving the most passes were scored by England. Quite a contrast to what we witnessed from this England side.

Palmer & Gordon were in his squad as well as Gibbs-White and Harvey Elliot so he knows the next generation of players well. Gordon actually said after the tournament, he is the best man manager he has worked with.

He may sound like an unknown and a bit of a risk but whoever we appoint will be. I was skeptical when Southgate was appointed, and he took us to two finals and a semi-final, exceeding many of our expectations.

Speaking of Southgate, despite my criticisms of his tactics, he deserves to be remembered fondly. He made playing for England prestigious again and left us with some great memories. His tenure marked a significant era for English football.

Whoever steps into the role next has a difficult job. Here's hoping they can build on Southgate's legacy and maybe, just maybe, take us one step further.

Everyone saying how well Southgate has done, don't forget to get to the two European finals the football gods opened up the draw and basically gifted us an easy route to both of them

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

Only one man can bring pass and move to this England team....time for Sir Alan Buckley to take charge!

Back in the real world though, who'd want the job? Has to be the highest pressure job in football outside of being the Brazil head coach, and you can't impact the team in the way you can as a club manager.  I guess the upside to it is the FA don't need to make a decision straight away, there's time to try and get it right

I for one definitely wouldn't want it. Who in this day and age could live on £4000000

Sky just commented that Howe is on roughly twice what the FA are paying, plus he’s recently signed an extension, so as we all know the FA do everything on the cheap I would assume that’s him ruled out, unless of course he resigns from Newcastle prior to the league starting.

Wasn't Southgate the best paid manager at the euros?

Quoted from Abdul19

Wasn't Southgate the best paid manager at the euros?

Steve ‘Stevie’ Clarke was the best plaid manager at the Euros

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Greece won it in 2004.

If you cross the pond - Sampaoli twice in the Copa America. I’m sure there are more too.

Does England take part in that?

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I’m sure the Spanish questioned their gaffer’s credentials too, as we did for Southgate when he was appointed.

Very impressed with De La Fuentes speech during the celebrations in Madrid Monday night, among other things "sacrifice, work, community, friendship and the country united as one".

In a country traditionally having regional problems and issues of separatism uplifting to hear 👊

Quoted from Simon

Everyone saying how well Southgate has done, don't forget to get to the two European finals the football gods opened up the draw and basically gifted us an easy route to both of them

We got favourable draws by winning our group. Other countries found themselves with tough knock out games because they didn’t.

That is what tournament football is about.

Also, was it that favourable a draw? Slovakia beat Belgium and Switzerland beat Italy, it's not like we beat San Marino and Alloa Athletic.

Quoted from Abdul19

Also, was it that favourable a draw? Slovakia beat Belgium and Switzerland beat Italy, it's not like we beat San Marino and Alloa Athletic.

Yes lmfao, how can you possibly say it wasnt

Your seriously saying Slovakia isnt a favourable draw

Quoted from Hagrid

Yes lmfao, how can you possibly say it wasnt

Your seriously saying Slovakia isnt a favourable draw

Hmmm, favourable yeah fair enough. Easy route, no.

Quoted from Abdul19

Hmmm, favourable yeah fair enough. Easy route, no.

Easier*

but as stated I suppose that's what you get for topping the group.

Tb really fair, Spain beat Germany who besides being hosts were a shadow of their former selves and nowhere near who they used to be and France who score what one or two goals in normal play. France were the let down of the tournament, we’d have got to the final on that side of the draw and Spain would on our side.

Quoted from kevikov

Tb really fair, Spain beat Germany who besides being hosts were a shadow of their former selves and nowhere near who they used to be and France who score what one or two goals in normal play. France were the let down of the tournament, we’d have got to the final on that side of the draw and Spain would on our side.

Both Germany & France would’ve beaten us this tournament

Quoted from pontoonlew

Both Germany & France would’ve beaten us this tournament

Well we'd have had to score an own goal for France to!

Makes me laugh, loads of stuff on social media from people who were slating Southgate for being too cautious (agree to an extent) are now saying Lee Carsley should be the interim replacement, feels a bit cautious that🙂

Southgate is now being touted as the next USA manager.

If you can get Pep, get Pep as he is the best manager in the world. In reality I'd be happy with either Potter or Howe. I think they'd both do pretty well.

It's odd how Dyche never gets a mention, surely he would be a more likely candidate than Lampard or Gerrard.

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If you can get Pep, get Pep as he is the best manager in the world. .

Pep ideally should be managing Spain at some point in the future the country where he secured 47 caps for. Good to see though recently that the independent factions are loosing popularity in wanting secession from Spain .

Pep isn't interested in managing Spain, apparently, as he counts himself as Catalan rather than Spanish (read that this week somewhere). He's said in the past he'd like to manage Brazil but I think England would interest him considering the current talent, if he's ready to make the move to international football.

Quoted from Mariner93er

Pep isn't interested in managing Spain, apparently, as he counts himself as Catalan rather than Spanish (read that this week somewhere). He's said in the past he'd like to manage Brazil but I think England would interest him considering the current talent

Catalonia will never get independence from Spain . Shame he can't show some identification for La Roja even though he counts himself as Catalan. Part of the Catalan flag is encrusted on the Spanish official emblem for one.

Quoted from horsforthmariner

If you can get Pep, get Pep as he is the best manager in the world. In reality I'd be happy with either Potter or Howe. I think they'd both do pretty well.

It's odd how Dyche never gets a mention, surely he would be a more likely candidate than Lampard or Gerrard.

Dyche is like a poor man’s Allardyce isn’t he? His style of football would not suit the players in the England set up or the fans watching from what I have seen.

Pep would be great but highly unlikely, I think Howe is the next best/obvious choice, but might be too expensive to get him away from Newcastle, so then you are left with Potter or Carsley, or someone from left field.

Quoted from Rick12

Catalonia will never get independence from Spain . Shame he can't show some identification for La Roja even though he counts himself as Catalan. Part of the Catalan flag is encrusted on the Spanish official emblem for one.

Considering there will be many people in Catalunya (and Euskal) who were alive when their people were bombed, murdered and suppressed for 40 years, you can understand why some Catalans and Euskaldunaks might not be so keen on ‘Spain’.

I'd give Mourinho a go - knock him all you want, he's had success everywhere he's been and expects to win silverware

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Southgate is now being touted as the next USA manager.

Crikey !! IF I was him i would sit down with wife and say over a pot of tea "Let's give footie a break for a while, have a damn good holiday".then come back to dining  room table another pot of  tea and think what do i really wanna do next!
Bearing in mind He is 53 /54/ 55 ?
Bloody Roy Hodgson bless him what in his 70's has only last  season released /sacked from Crystal Palace.
Please Mr Southgate DO Not become a "pundit" and lower yourself to Gary Neville's standards your better than that and you don't  need the money.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Considering there will be many people in Catalunya (and Euskal) who were alive when their people were bombed, murdered and suppressed for 40 years, you can understand why some Catalans and Euskaldunaks might not be so keen on ‘Spain’.

Valid point and yes Franco did  suppress Catulunya and Barcelona and had he given some leeway more so  reading books on this  more people in the past would have identified with Spain . It's a complex identity by all accounts  as there is a mixed bag currently with some Catalunyans identifying with Spain and Catalunya with differing levels of support and the independent movement (loosing popularity) who don't want nothing with Spain  and want a complete break from Spanish football. Democracy in Spain now allows for a certain level of self autonomy but if you start conceding to the "independistas" the Basques will follow and others and you will have a break up of large parts of Spain . It's somewhat similar in Italy though not as acute I feel  where there has been historically speaking a North / South divide with independent movements there as well.

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I'd give Mourinho a go - knock him all you want, he's had success everywhere he's been and expects to win silverware

I said this at work to test the water, then I said Paul Hurst they did'nt get it then clicked on to which i was called every name under the sun bar an Angel!!
Now the dust has settled with the Euros and we have got used to the fact Gareth has resigned .
Our loading bay full of football managers by night - Delivery Drivers by daytime job
Arrive back for there PM run  gather in their "Clicks" and groups
Rumours are rife and suggestions vary.
Louie "Paddy the Greek" comes out with Gary Neville's the New England Manager a couple of blokes looked at him " Yeah Coz He knows everything !"
So Klopp ,Pep etc all got a mention.
So please FA hurry and tell us who it is , then that will spark another debate "Row" amongst these bloody southern "Cockney " baffoons off and put them out their misery!!
What do you know you support bloody who Grimsby Town ...!!!! And that answer  puts you on the list of drivers i don't help thank you.

F@ck it, Where's Holloway when you need him!!..

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

F@ck it, Where's Holloway when you need him!!..

My money would be on Palmer to win the darts. Doesn't look phased by anything that lad.

Southgate’s team selection and strategy:-

Kane always plays, other 10 must be yes men and always get a game no matter how bad they were in the previous games.

Subs only need to be 10% fit because there’s no chance of being put on before the 81st minute.

No passing the ball forward

No marking wingers, absolutely not allowed

No staying up for free-kicks or corners for the opposition, having an ‘out’ ball isn’t an option.

In summary, yet another England manager who never won anything as a club manager, are we surprised he never did anything with England apart from stagger uninspiringly into the knock out stages?


Let’s appoint a winner, not another yes man

Quoted from BucklesAndBraces

In summary, yet another England manager who never won anything as a club manager, are we surprised he never did anything with England apart from stagger uninspiringly into the knock out stages?

Let’s appoint a winner, not another yes man

Who are you thinking then?

Roy Evans?
Brian Little?
McLaren for a second crack?

Quoted from BucklesAndBraces

Southgate’s team selection and strategy:-

Kane always plays, other 10 must be yes men and always get a game no matter how bad they were in the previous games.

Subs only need to be 10% fit because there’s no chance of being put on before the 81st minute.

No passing the ball forward

No marking wingers, absolutely not allowed

No staying up for free-kicks or corners for the opposition, having an ‘out’ ball isn’t an option.

In summary, yet another England manager who never won anything as a club manager, are we surprised he never did anything with England apart from stagger uninspiringly into the knock out stages?


Let’s appoint a winner, not another yes man

I'd say there was quite a lot of inspiration 3 years ago when we got to the final and half the country thought it was cool to dress like Gareth Southgate. The fact that we view getting to a final as a failure is because Southgate changed us from being massive underachievers to a team that could pull results out when it mattered.

As far as I'm concerned, England have never had the best starting 11 in any tournament in my life. Getting to the final is success. It would be lovely to actually win it some time, but I'd say there's more chance of the next manager being less successful than Gareth than there is of us actually winning a trophy.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Who are you thinking then?

Roy Evans?
Brian Little?
McLaren for a second crack?

I don’t understand your reply, was it an attempt at humour?