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I think Stockwood is a decent listen , but if you listen to him once you have listened to him 20 times

-process driven
-knows some fans only care about the result on Saturday
- likes reading greek mythology
-want's to make the club a driver for change in community
-want's a football regulator badly
- council estate kid etc etc

I have not listened to it but imagine those subjects got a mention .

Not knocking him ,but we know the story - if people don't want to hear it again they don't have to listen do they , he's projecting to a wider audience than Town fans his view on various topics.

I like him & Pettit ,I think they are green on the footballing side and I want shot of Artell but I guess this is a learning process for them , something I see them getting better at as time goes on as they seem pretty switched on and willing .

Can’t see anything in those ideals about talking to anyone. Usually, recruiting people would want to make sure of the person they want to employ by talking to them. Just seems that every appointment / dismissal is ‘engineered’ by text these days.
Shrinking away - hide behind the computer keys.
Seems like.

Quoted from Mappers

I think Stockwood is a decent listen , but if you listen to him once you have listened to him 20 times

-process driven
-knows some fans only care about the result on Saturday
- likes reading greek mythology
-want's to make the club a driver for change in community
-want's a football regulator badly
- council estate kid etc etc

I have not listened to it but imagine those subjects got a mention .

Not knocking him ,but we know the story - if people don't want to hear it again they don't have to listen do they , he's projecting to a wider audience than Town fans his view on various topics.

I like him & Pettit ,I think they are green on the footballing side and I want shot of Artell but I guess this is a learning process for them , something I see them getting better at as time goes on as they seem pretty switched on and willing .

He wants a football regulator because he thinks it’ll save him money. It won’t.

If we're doing well he's a genius
If we're doing badly he's a charlatan

Quoted from Mappers

I think Stockwood is a decent listen , but if you listen to him once you have listened to him 20 times

-process driven
-knows some fans only care about the result on Saturday
- likes reading greek mythology
-want's to make the club a driver for change in community
-want's a football regulator badly
- council estate kid etc etc

I have not listened to it but imagine those subjects got a mention .

I get what you’re saying but there isn’t a person alive who doesn’t say the same stuff, in the same manner over and over again. We all have our specialist subjects and favourite phrases we just don’t all have the platform to be heard.

Quoted from GrimRob

If we're doing well he's a genius
If we're doing badly he's a charlatan

It’s not that black & white. He wants to change the rules because they favour those who will bankroll big budgets. It’s understandable but, even if you move the goalposts, it doesn’t change where we are on the map and we still have excrement facilities.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

It’s not that black & white. He wants to change the rules because they favour those who will bankroll big budgets. It’s understandable but, even if you move the goalposts, it doesn’t change where we are on the map and we still have excrement facilities.

It was tongue-in-cheek. I was alluding to people's reactions to him. I have a lot of time for him personally.

No getting around our lack of pull though.

He has said that he does not understand managing a football business as much as his other businesses. This might be critical for us now.

Quoted from GrimRob

It was tongue-in-cheek. I was alluding to people's reactions to him. I have a lot of time for him personally.

No getting around our lack of pull though.

I admire his business success, but then, so did many admire Fenty this early into his tenure. I also admire his desire to make the business better but there’s a balance and I just think that they have overthought the off field bit.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I admire his business success, but then, so did many admire Fenty this early into his tenure. I also admire his desire to make the business better but there’s a balance and I just think that they have overthought the off field bit.

Running a football club is such a niche endeavour and very few people have done it. Even those that have might be in very different ways that advice is not always transportable. Every club is unique. Our ground and facilities are all ancient. We're at the lower end of the professional game in competing in a league with many wealthier clubs. The short, medium and long term all have big issues. It's a nightmare basically!

Talk is cheap he’s assembled the worst professional football team in England and Wales not a great achievement.

Also the worst Grimsby team I can remember and i have been going since the seventies.

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Excuses poorly disguised as Waffle and Bull Excrement.

Data-led decisions such as not sacking a manager that is clearly not working out. I've spoken to 3 people today who are fans of different lower league clubs, and all of them have said it is absolutely ridiculous that Artell is still in charge.

One more loss and Artell has got to go.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

He’s a very successful businessman
How many fishy critics can say the same?

PS. Not putting my name forward and I don’t read the Guardian

Sun?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Data-led decisions such as not sacking a manager that is clearly not working out. I've spoken to 3 people today who are fans of different lower league clubs, and all of them have said it is absolutely ridiculous that Artell is still in charge.

Is it a data led decision? The relevant data is the cost of sacking him I should think. He'd have been gone in a heartbeat if it was free.

I thought it was an interesting listen and thought there was a few snippets in there that reading between the lines he hasn’t talked about previously in great detail. A couple that stood out particularly for me

1) His comment about the regulator and increased funds moving from PL to EFL to ‘level the playing field’ and help him gain back some of the funds they have invested. Slightly ironic given our current predicament, but maybe to all the people saying they won’t sack Artell because of money, EFL status is more important to him than we realise…

2) When talking about Wrexham he touched on his own conversations he’d had with American investors (I assume about investing in Town). Again possibly sounds like he is laying the groundwork with people/waiting for the right people or circumstance when we could start to utilise outside investment in the club and suggests there is possible demand out there even for clubs like us.

Could be all talk I know, but thought it was interesting nonetheless and gave a bit of insight I hadn’t heard before

So now we're back to football fortune and dragging everybody down to our level to compete and pay back the investment.

Sound familiar?

I can't be bothered to listen to it as his way of expressing himself with his business speak and talking of things in the abstract all the time grinds my gears, but someone on Twitter said he mentioned that Hurst wasn't fully on board with the data led approach.

If indeed he did say that presumably Artell and any future managers will be employed at least in part as to whether they trust often unreliable and misinterpreted data or will they trust their intimate knowledge of the game they have been in their whole lives which is an interesting thought. I would think most managers would take note of some basic data on players but their knowledge and experience would hold sway.

Quoted from LH

I get what you’re saying but there isn’t a person alive who doesn’t say the same stuff, in the same manner over and over again. We all have our specialist subjects and favourite phrases we just don’t all have the platform to be heard.

It more sounds like he's playing a fiddle, whilst our Rome burns.

Quoted from Azimuth

Excuses poorly disguised as Waffle and Bull Excrement.

You've listened to it then? Thought the stuff about private equity & venture capitalism was very interesting.
What did you think about the increased U.S. interest?
did you agree on his thoughts on levelling up?
good to see admitting some mistakes wasn't it?

He says this he says that yada yada.Jason just take a leaf out of my (and I suspect most Town fans ) book let your eyes tell you what they see. Mine see a team in free fall heading to the non league yet again with a Manager who is clueless on how to defend. You have had so much goodwill and fans believing in what you say yet you are in huge danger of losing the lot.Youve made a mistake it happens put it right

Quoted from 1mickylyons

He says this he says that yada yada.Jason just take a leaf out of my (and I suspect most Town fans ) book let your eyes tell you what they see. Mine see a team in free fall heading to the non league yet again with a Manager who is clueless on how to defend. You have had so much goodwill and fans believing in what you say yet you are in huge danger of losing the lot.Youve made a mistake it happens put it right

ffs - he's on a business podcast (from mid January btw) , discussing his business philosophy and football financing in general. It's not a podcast about football and Grimsby Town.

Quoted from forza ivano

ffs - he's on a business podcast (from mid January btw) , discussing his business philosophy and football financing in general. It's not a podcast about football and Grimsby Town.

Sorry I didn't listen to it I just went off previous posts.I am more bothered about my team sleep walking into non league than hearing his views but each to there own.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I can't be bothered to listen to it as his way of expressing himself with his business speak and talking of things in the abstract all the time grinds my gears, but someone on Twitter said he mentioned that Hurst wasn't fully on board with the data led approach.

If indeed he did say that presumably Artell and any future managers will be employed at least in part as to whether they trust often unreliable and misinterpreted data or will they trust their intimate knowledge of the game they have been in their whole lives which is an interesting thought. I would think most managers would take note of some basic data on players but their knowledge and experience would hold sway.

That same knowledge and experience lead to Hurst assembling one of our worst ever squads though. To play devils advocate, maybe if he had been willing to adapt more, we wouldnt be as crap as we are this season.

Maybe we might have signed more Contehs! (who Hurst admited was one of Joe Hutchinson's finds/recommendations)

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Data-led decisions such as not sacking a manager that is clearly not working out. I've spoken to 3 people today who are fans of different lower league clubs, and all of them have said it is absolutely ridiculous that Artell is still in charge.

No-one needs data analysis to see we're one place above relegation, losing matches heavily and consistently, and not investing in the side.

Quoted from sam gy

That same knowledge and experience lead to Hurst assembling one of our worst ever squads though. To play devils advocate, maybe if he had been willing to adapt more, we wouldnt be as crap as we are this season.

Maybe we might have signed more Contehs! (who Hurst admited was one of Joe Hutchinson's finds/recommendations)

Doesn’t explain our woeful January signings though does it? If those are based on a data led approach god help us in the future as we managed to reduce the quality of our squad not improve it as was obviously the requirement!!

Quoted from JK47

No-one needs data analysis to see we're one place above relegation, losing matches heavily and consistently, and not investing in the side.

Seeing that we are losing matches heavily and one place above the relegation zone is data analysis in itself. It's ok talking about being data-led but the board appear to be completely ignoring the most basic data that tells us all we need to know.

Quoted from forza ivano

ffs - he's on a business podcast (from mid January btw) , discussing his business philosophy and football financing in general. It's not a podcast about football and Grimsby Town.

That's interesting, you think " his business philosophy and football financing in general" has no bearing on "football and Grimsby Town". What, we are run differently to a major shareholders philosophy?
Can you expand, just for interest's sake?

More questions need to be answered on recruitment.

Too many assumptions on it sitting when PH when it seems more collaborative. SP was attending games and scouting too.

Recent JS in Guardian said - Although the head coach has an outsized influence day to day, responsibility for the team’s performance is shared by the board and CEO, who should establish and define the overall strategy.

Quoted from 141325

More questions need to be answered on recruitment.

Too many assumptions on it sitting when PH when it seems more collaborative. SP was attending games and scouting too.

Recent JS in Guardian said - Although the head coach has an outsized influence day to day, responsibility for the team’s performance is shared by the board and CEO, who should establish and define the overall strategy.

I should imagine, in hindsight, that he hadn't said that.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I should imagine, in hindsight, that he hadn't said that.

Perhaps DC did the recruiting?

Exactly who was accountable and what role did each play

Too many assumptions around on it being PH

We need to go back to relying on the mark 1 eyeball.

I thought it was interesting and ironic. In that, we had all the success he alluded to last season and then data lead decisions have led to the position the team is in, lack of team spirit and bonding etc.

As pointed out before he and AP are both naive in the football industry and still have a lot to learn. I am thankful for them buying the club and supportive of them. I think once they crack the football business we'll be okay, but until then it will be a rough sea.

Quoted from 141325

More questions need to be answered on recruitment.

Too many assumptions on it sitting when PH when it seems more collaborative. SP was attending games and scouting too.

Recent JS in Guardian said - Although the head coach has an outsized influence day to day, responsibility for the team’s performance is shared by the board and CEO, who should establish and define the overall strategy.

Debbie’s fault then.. Good job she jumped.

Quoted from GrimPol

That's interesting, you think " his business philosophy and football financing in general" has no bearing on "football and Grimsby Town". What, we are run differently to a major shareholders philosophy?
Can you expand, just for interest's sake?

the podcast is about business, and different people's approach to business. it also touches on their business beliefs, philosophies and their comments on business matters of the day.
The podcaster isn't really interested in Grimsby Town per se, or what happens on the pitch.

If you listen to it there are quite long sections on a) his upbringing and history (which you will already have heard, but the rest of the audience probably wouldn't know) b) the difference between venture capitalists and private equity and how that plays out in football c) the football regulator d) the capacity for football clubs to play a role in levelling up e) an interesting section on the Jim Ratcliffe/moan U deal f) data and how it should be used generally and in football specifically g) the Wrexham situation/model and how that plays out
As you can see GTFC is not at all central to the discussion.

PS I don't understand why some seem to think that JS has to devote every waking hour to our on field malaise. He is capable, and is allowed, to use his time on other things

Quoted from forza ivano

PS I don't understand why some seem to think that JS has to devote every waking hour to our on field malaise. He is capable, and is allowed, to use his time on other things

There’s a minority who’ve been absolutely gagging to find a stick to beat him with. We all know who they are. And they’ve been parroting the same tired shite for months now. First sign of a crisis and they’re loving it.

Red Cross away, couldn’t give a shít.

Some question need to asked towards JH

When data and other characteristics differed which one was weighted higher???

Quoted from 140381

There’s a minority who’ve been absolutely gagging to find a stick to beat him with. We all know who they are. And they’ve been parroting the same tired shite for months now. First sign of a crisis and they’re loving it.

Red Cross away, couldn’t give a shít.

No one wants a crisis. I'd rather we won every game but when owners make a decision based on their philosophy and the consequences are pretty poor, I don't see how it can go unquestioned.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

No one wants a crisis. I'd rather we won every game but when owners make a decision based on their philosophy and the consequences are pretty poor, I don't see how it can go unquestioned.

You know what I'm talking about. There's been a whispering campaign for months now. It's got little to do with what's going on at the moment.

Quoted from 140381

You know what I'm talking about. There's been a whispering campaign for months now. It's got little to do with what's going on at the moment.

With the usual caveat that I was a million miles from being a Fenty fan, there would have been a riot by now had he overseen an appointment that’s gone so spectacularly wrong.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

With the usual caveat that I was a million miles from being a Fenty fan, there would have been a riot by now had he overseen an appointment that’s gone so spectacularly wrong.

There was pretty much a riot by the dugout on Saturday .

I never saw as much vitriol directed towards a manager on Fenty's watch .

But then again even some of those less successful gaffers didn't concede 21 goals in 5 home games .

It's a unique and unwanted scenario.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

With the usual caveat that I was a million miles from being a Fenty fan, there would have been a riot by now had he overseen an appointment that’s gone so spectacularly wrong.

I think I’ve made it clear elsewhere that I think Artell’s position is untenable. I’m also not suggesting that anyone is above criticism. What I am saying is that there’s a vocal minority who’ve been throwing mud for months and months, and are making the most of current events for whatever agenda it is that they’ve deemed acceptable.

Quoted from 140381

You know what I'm talking about. There's been a whispering campaign for months now. It's got little to do with what's going on at the moment.

I must have blinked and missed it .No idea what your on about the owners have had a very quiet and easy ride given what we're seeing out on the pitch.Fenty would need personal security if this was on his watch that's how bad it truly is and quite rightly were sick of it and want something done .

If Fenty had been charge for less than 3 years, I wouldn’t have given him shït for appointing a manager, which at this point, isn’t working.

Any appointment is a risk.

I would have done in the second half of Fenty’s tenure because he became an embarrassment for his general behaviour.

Writing vanilla, flannel / philosophical musings (delete as applicable) in a national broadsheet does not constitute embarrassing.

Quoted from 140381

There’s a minority who’ve been absolutely gagging to find a stick to beat him with. We all know who they are. And they’ve been parroting the same tired shite for months now. First sign of a crisis and they’re loving it.

Red Cross away, couldn’t give a shít.

If we get relegated it won't be a minority.

All I want to see is a fairly successful EFL football team that hopefully may look like there is a chance of flirting with promotion and not flirting with relegation into non league again.

If we do go down again the owners will have to take full responsibility and all the excrement that goes with it then pump more millions into the club to try to get us back up or watch us flounder about as a non league club losing millions of pounds a year.

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See we all make mistakes

A thread that perfectly illustrates what people say about the Fishy.

If JS never talked about data his detractors on here would say we need to use more data to get us up the table.

He and AP are both good guys, yeah I 100% see the relegation threat but just picking fault in everything he says is bonkers.

Short memories some people 🙄

Quoted from HertsGTFC

A thread that perfectly illustrates what people say about the Fishy.

If JS never talked about data his detractors on here would say we need to use more data to get us up the table.

He and AP are both good guys, yeah I 100% see the relegation threat but just picking fault in everything he says is bonkers.

Short memories some people 🙄

Don't include me in that, for me the only thing that will get us up the League is a manager that knows what he is doing and some decent players.

As for data there is plenty on here that could have told them that what Hurst was doing and how Artell is doing, they don't need some outside analysts at god knows how many thousands of pounds to tell them.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

A thread that perfectly illustrates what people say about the Fishy.

If JS never talked about data his detractors on here would say we need to use more data to get us up the table.

He and AP are both good guys, yeah I 100% see the relegation threat but just picking fault in everything he says is bonkers.

Short memories some people 🙄

Not sure most of us are fussed we just want JS to use his eyes and admit he's dropped a bollock and rectify it ASAP

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If Fenty had been charge for less than 3 years, I wouldn’t have given him shït for appointing a manager, which at this point, isn’t working.

Any appointment is a risk.

I would have done in the second half of Fenty’s tenure because he became an embarrassment for his general behaviour.

Writing vanilla, flannel / philosophical musings (delete as applicable) in a national broadsheet does not constitute embarrassing.

Honest John for the majority of his tenure had
Failure/failure
On the pitch (17 years) /infrastructure (20 years ) that's a large percentage of failure .

This weird narrative that both off field improvements and on the pitch performance can't co-exist from some is bizarre.But honest absolutely massacred the infrastructure side of the club , in favour of being semi competitive on the field which he also tucked up . Tick those failure boxes on both sides year in year out , and you end up where we are ; far far behind the pack I would say it was the opposite of the Stockwood /Pettit ideal . JSF must have had
'continuous regression ' as his mantra for 20 years .

Stockwood / Pettit
On the pitch/imfrastructure
Year 1- Failure/success (not the full season)
Year 2- Success /success
Year 3-Success /Success
Year 4- looks iffy

The small sample size of what they have achieved so far leaves me highly optimistic that if they stick around they will deliver more success than failure as they get to grips with the football world .

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Not sure most of us are fussed we just want JS to use his eyes and admit he's dropped a bollock and rectify it ASAP

That I agree with.

The owners shouldn’t be anywhere near the overarching football strategy. They’re there, at best, for the business side of things.

You don’t see the Glazers getting involved in football matters, nor do you see Sheikh Mansour pulling the strings at Man City on the football side.

You employ people for that, whether it’s a Director of Football, CEO, Sporting Director, Head of Recruitment or simply down to a manager which has been the more traditional approach here in the U.K. It’s a skilled role.

It’s not for Stockwood (at least if we want to be successful) to demand we play ‘the Grimsby Way’. That’s an absolutely nonsense approach. For example, budget constraints or location issues may mean that getting the players in to play that way isn’t realistic. Only a football person can judge that.

Quoted from davmariner

The owners shouldn’t be anywhere near the overarching football strategy. They’re there, at best, for the business side of things.

You don’t see the Glazers getting involved in football matters, nor do you see Sheikh Mansour pulling the strings at Man City on the football side.

You employ people for that, whether it’s a Director of Football, CEO, Sporting Director, Head of Recruitment or simply down to a manager which has been the more traditional approach here in the U.K. It’s a skilled role.

It’s not for Stockwood (at least if we want to be successful) to demand we play ‘the Grimsby Way’. That’s an absolutely nonsense approach. For example, budget constraints or location issues may mean that getting the players in to play that way isn’t realistic. Only a football person can judge that.

I completely agree and maybe in hindsight Jason wouldn’t use the term “Grimsby way” again.

Maybe though he was actually referring to trying to recruit a manager who’ll play entertaining attacking football, you can’t blame him for trying to do that can we? Isn’t that what we all want to see?

Despite his commitments I’d be amazed if he tried to tell someone as stubborn as Artell how to coach & set up a team. Then again looking at the last few games someone needs to 🙄

Who is in charge of recruitment ?

Quoted from davmariner

The owners shouldn’t be anywhere near the overarching football strategy. They’re there, at best, for the business side of things.

You don’t see the Glazers getting involved in football matters, nor do you see Sheikh Mansour pulling the strings at Man City on the football side.

You employ people for that, whether it’s a Director of Football, CEO, Sporting Director, Head of Recruitment or simply down to a manager which has been the more traditional approach here in the U.K. It’s a skilled role.

It’s not for Stockwood (at least if we want to be successful) to demand we play ‘the Grimsby Way’. That’s an absolutely nonsense approach. For example, budget constraints or location issues may mean that getting the players in to play that way isn’t realistic. Only a football person can judge that.

Nonsense. If the owners of a business don't decide the direction they want the operation to go, what is the point of them?

If I was running the club, I'd certainly be looking to have a team playing good football, something for which we were known for much of my formative years (i.e. the Buckley eras). People still talk disparagingly of Slade's 'Hoofball' era and were chuntering about Hurst's functional, somewhat dour style of play (in both his spells) for as long as I can remember.

The complaints about trying to play it out from the back have been ridiculous because, as we've seen, reverting to punting it forward hasn't exactly helped things. There's a balance to be made, obviously, but we're not capable of playing a clogging game and nor would I want to see it.

On the assumption that Artell isn't here at the end of the season, I hope that whoever takes over (and at whatever level we are playing), will attempt to play attractive, attacking football. Trying to grind out results in a relegation scrap is understandable. Starting a season with the hope of grinding out enough results for some sort of success (whatever that may be) throughout the year isn't.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I completely agree and maybe in hindsight Jason wouldn’t use the term “Grimsby way” again.

Maybe though he was actually referring to trying to recruit a manager who’ll play entertaining attacking football, you can’t blame him for trying to do that can we? Isn’t that what we all want to see?

Despite his commitments I’d be amazed if he tried to tell someone as stubborn as Artell how to coach & set up a team. Then again looking at the last few games someone needs to 🙄

I’m really surprised that there aren’t clear areas of responsibility. Ok, you recruit someone with the right ethos and track record but you surely either back them with the finance to recruit players to play their system or ask them to ensure safety first. We seem to have got caught between two stools.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I completely agree and maybe in hindsight Jason wouldn’t use the term “Grimsby way” again.

Maybe though he was actually referring to trying to recruit a manager who’ll play entertaining attacking football, you can’t blame him for trying to do that can we? Isn’t that what we all want to see?

Despite his commitments I’d be amazed if he tried to tell someone as stubborn as Artell how to coach & set up a team. Then again looking at the last few games someone needs to 🙄

Artell's preferred style is akin to Stockwood's self confessed "Grimsby Way" so Artell will have been like music to his ears when he started talking about all the fantastic things Crewe did.

I understand the need for a philosophy that passes through the academy and in to the first team. It doesn't happen with one appointment though, it takes years. As others have said, you hire football people for it and those people should understand the current level we operate at. As we sit 22nd in League Two, we have to ask ourselves what value are Twenty First Group and Gareth Jennings actually bringing to the table? Seriously, are the board being ill-advised by these people?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Artell's preferred style is akin to Stockwood's self confessed "Grimsby Way" so Artell will have been like music to his ears when he started talking about all the fantastic things Crewe did.

I understand the need for a philosophy that passes through the academy and in to the first team. It doesn't happen with one appointment though, it takes years. As others have said, you hire football people for it and those people should understand the current level we operate at. As we sit 22nd in League Two, we have to ask ourselves what value are Twenty First Group and Gareth Jennings actually bringing to the table? Seriously, are the board being ill-advised by these people?

Yeah I’ve wondered about the Gareth Jennings thing too, looking at his background you’d imagine he was used for some kind of councel regarding the appointment of Artell.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’m really surprised that there aren’t clear areas of responsibility. Ok, you recruit someone with the right ethos and track record but you surely either back them with the finance to recruit players to play their system or ask them to ensure safety first. We seem to have got caught between two stools.

There may be clear areas of responsibility, but it’s not working at the minute.

I thought GJ was brought in from a marketing point of view to increase our income streams but I guess we’ll never know what his skills have been used for.

Quoted from Meza

I thought GJ was brought in from a marketing point of view to increase our income streams but I guess we’ll never know what his skills have been used for.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/grimsby-towns-new-arrival-explains-8500062

Quoted from MuddyWaters

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/grimsby-towns-new-arrival-explains-8500062

Thanks MW that was painful to read that site just gets worse 😂

Quoted from Meza

Thanks MW that was painful to read that site just gets worse 😂

No problem. I thought there was an interview available but it turned out to be meaningless waffle.

Clearly any advice the owners have paid for appears to be extremely poor value. (That is if they have in fact paid for any).

I don't blame them for looking to so called experts in the field to help them out but given how badly its gone wrong I would hope that they would be looking elsewhere in future.

Hopefully the owners didn’t entertain any of that GJ guff and the end of term business accounts will show that.
UTM

Yeah it’s a difficult one to gauge really nobody knows what influence GJ has had I would imagine his advice would be on the non football side. Like improving infrastructure, commercial or even marketing maybe a question for the fans forum.

Do any managers or owners want their teams to play boring negative football? Seriously?! It’s just a criticism or get out card used when teams aren’t very good with players who aren’t capable or who’s confidence is shattered and have to resort to aimless tactics.
I think this current squad fall into one or both of these categories .

Quoted from Maringer

Nonsense. If the owners of a business don't decide the direction they want the operation to go, what is the point of them?

If I was running the club, I'd certainly be looking to have a team playing good football, something for which we were known for much of my formative years (i.e. the Buckley eras). People still talk disparagingly of Slade's 'Hoofball' era and were chuntering about Hurst's functional, somewhat dour style of play (in both his spells) for as long as I can remember.

The complaints about trying to play it out from the back have been ridiculous because, as we've seen, reverting to punting it forward hasn't exactly helped things. There's a balance to be made, obviously, but we're not capable of playing a clogging game and nor would I want to see it.

On the assumption that Artell isn't here at the end of the season, I hope that whoever takes over (and at whatever level we are playing), will attempt to play attractive, attacking football. Trying to grind out results in a relegation scrap is understandable. Starting a season with the hope of grinding out enough results for some sort of success (whatever that may be) throughout the year isn't.

I hated Sladeball BUT in fairness to him and Fenty they brought in muscle height and speed to make it work and its the closest we've got to promotion from League 2. On that basis DA needs 10 David Silva,Phil Foden types sounds expensive and difficult not to mention it rarely works lower down.
I'm interested in opinions on how many footballers we think the current squad yields?

For me Hunt,Glennon are footballers neither in the frame

Of the rest Eusa/Hume/Ainley maybe?

Rose picks himself and can fit in anywhere.

Miles off having a footballing side unless we've half a dozen I've missed?

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I hated Sladeball BUT in fairness to him and Fenty they brought in muscle height and speed to make it work and its the closest we've got to promotion from League 2. On that basis DA needs 10 David Silva,Phil Foden types sounds expensive and difficult not to mention it rarely works lower down.
I'm interested in opinions on how many footballers we think the current squad yields?

For me Hunt,Glennon are footballers neither in the frame

Of the rest Eusa/Hume/Ainley maybe?

Rose picks himself and can fit in anywhere.

Miles off having a footballing side unless we've half a dozen I've missed?

I would put Arthur in that . Think he's a good technical player who can look after the ball.

Probably Khouri , unfortunately he's injured Spenymoor pal said he didn't play the other night as pulled up before the game - hoping it's not too serious as he was doing really well there in the 3 or 4 games he's played and potentially has the ability to come back into the frame when he's back/fit imo.

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Sorry I didn't listen to it I just went off previous posts.I am more bothered about my team sleep walking into non league than hearing his views but each to there own.

So you made a comment about a podcast that you hadn't even bothered to listen to !!! FFS

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I hated Sladeball BUT in fairness to him and Fenty they brought in muscle height and speed to make it work and its the closest we've got to promotion from League 2. On that basis DA needs 10 David Silva,Phil Foden types sounds expensive and difficult not to mention it rarely works lower down.
I'm interested in opinions on how many footballers we think the current squad yields?

For me Hunt,Glennon are footballers neither in the frame

Of the rest Eusa/Hume/Ainley maybe?

Rose picks himself and can fit in anywhere.

Miles off having a footballing side unless we've half a dozen I've missed?

As has been discussed elsewhere in the past (and as Artell said), we were a 'Meh' team when he arrived. Not big, not strong, not quick, not particularly-skilful, not dynamic, not this and not that.

His style is to try and play football, but it doesn't appear that we have the players for that. Hurst's style was to keep it tight, try to play a bit when the chance arose and play to percentages. It worked OK to start off with this season, but things went south rapidly which led to his dismissal. I think this was, in part, because teams had worked us out by that point. They knew we were weak at the back and not much cop in midfield where we would lose possession frequently. Our lack of pace was a killer as we struggled to break down an organised defence. Keep our wide men quiet and use pace to get in behind us and we struggle.

Unfortunately, things have become even worse in 2024. We've got the same weaknesses, less Conteh, who stabilised the midfield more than I realised, and everything the opposition hits is going into the net at the moment. If Thompson can stay fit, he ought to be the one steadying the ship but the new defenders haven't yet settled or built proper playing relationships (which is probably understandable), but that certainly hasn't helped. Artell's biggest failure in the transfer window was that he didn't bring in another experienced striker. He probably thought that Pyke and Wilson returning from injury would be enough to support Rose, but I really don't think they are, and it's a rare occasion that an inexperienced kid such as Obikwu can come in and impose themselves in a struggling team.

If Artell goes, I'm not really sure what the future is for this squad. Will a new manager try and batten down the hatches and try to play defensively while nicking a goal here and there? I'm not sure we have the players to be able to do that. Trying to play a bit more football and nabbing enough wins to survive is probably our best hope. Whether or not this squad is up to it, regardless of the manager, remains to be seen.

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As has been discussed elsewhere in the past (and as Artell said), we were a 'Meh' team when he arrived. Not big, not strong, not quick, not particularly-skilful, not dynamic, not this and not that.

His style is to try and play football, but it doesn't appear that we have the players for that. Hurst's style was to keep it tight, try to play a bit when the chance arose and play to percentages. It worked OK to start off with this season, but things went south rapidly which led to his dismissal. I think this was, in part, because teams had worked us out by that point. They knew we were weak at the back and not much cop in midfield where we would lose possession frequently. Our lack of pace was a killer as we struggled to break down an organised defence. Keep our wide men quiet and use pace to get in behind us and we struggle.

Unfortunately, things have become even worse in 2024. We've got the same weaknesses, less Conteh, who stabilised the midfield more than I realised, and everything the opposition hits is going into the net at the moment. If Thompson can stay fit, he ought to be the one steadying the ship but the new defenders haven't yet settled or built proper playing relationships (which is probably understandable), but that certainly hasn't helped. Artell's biggest failure in the transfer window was that he didn't bring in another experienced striker. He probably thought that Pyke and Wilson returning from injury would be enough to support Rose, but I really don't think they are, and it's a rare occasion that an inexperienced kid such as Obikwu can come in and impose themselves in a struggling team.

If Artell goes, I'm not really sure what the future is for this squad. Will a new manager try and batten down the hatches and try to play defensively while nicking a goal here and there? I'm not sure we have the players to be able to do that. Trying to play a bit more football and nabbing enough wins to survive is probably our best hope. Whether or not this squad is up to it, regardless of the manager, remains to be seen.

10 out of the 11 that took Crewe apart (Conteh aside) are still here. Thompson is an Artell signing to, allegedly, fill the Conteh gap. I'm still staggered how we can go from wonderful to woeful in such a short space of time, particularly as he said he was 'pleasantly surprised by the quality in the squad'.

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10 out of the 11 that took Crewe apart (Conteh aside) are still here. Thompson is an Artell signing to, allegedly, fill the Conteh gap. I'm still staggered how we can go from wonderful to woeful in such a short space of time, particularly as he said he was 'pleasantly surprised by the quality in the squad'.

Yep, MK Dons away was the best and most entertaining Town performance I've seen in a while and I left there thinking that we would be heading in the right direction with Artell. It seems a very long time ago now.

Quoted from Maringer

As has been discussed elsewhere in the past (and as Artell said), we were a 'Meh' team when he arrived. Not big, not strong, not quick, not particularly-skilful, not dynamic, not this and not that.

His style is to try and play football, but it doesn't appear that we have the players for that. Hurst's style was to keep it tight, try to play a bit when the chance arose and play to percentages. It worked OK to start off with this season, but things went south rapidly which led to his dismissal. I think this was, in part, because teams had worked us out by that point. They knew we were weak at the back and not much cop in midfield where we would lose possession frequently. Our lack of pace was a killer as we struggled to break down an organised defence. Keep our wide men quiet and use pace to get in behind us and we struggle.

Unfortunately, things have become even worse in 2024. We've got the same weaknesses, less Conteh, who stabilised the midfield more than I realised, and everything the opposition hits is going into the net at the moment. If Thompson can stay fit, he ought to be the one steadying the ship but the new defenders haven't yet settled or built proper playing relationships (which is probably understandable), but that certainly hasn't helped. Artell's biggest failure in the transfer window was that he didn't bring in another experienced striker. He probably thought that Pyke and Wilson returning from injury would be enough to support Rose, but I really don't think they are, and it's a rare occasion that an inexperienced kid such as Obikwu can come in and impose themselves in a struggling team.

If Artell goes, I'm not really sure what the future is for this squad. Will a new manager try and batten down the hatches and try to play defensively while nicking a goal here and there? I'm not sure we have the players to be able to do that. Trying to play a bit more football and nabbing enough wins to survive is probably our best hope. Whether or not this squad is up to it, regardless of the manager, remains to be seen.

Conteh didn't always do the fashionable stuff but when on form was tactically excellent at filling in holes and wouldn't empty out the midfield like we have the last few home games .

We need someone to at least sit like he did even if they are not as good at it - just retain their position so we don't look so drastically out of shape both with and without the ball ; especially when the ball is turned over quickly ,in the words of Yoda 'we are a mess' when that happens .