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Posted by: forza ivano, May 8, 2023, 7:24pm
is 6279, placing us 9th in the table

https://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-league-two-2022-2023/1/

Any stattos know when that was last bettered please?
Posted by: Heisenberg, May 8, 2023, 7:33pm; Reply: 1
Quoted from forza ivano
is 6279, placing us 9th in the table

https://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-league-two-2022-2023/1/

Any stattos know when that was last bettered please?


My guess would be possibly 98/99?

Amazing figures.
Posted by: toontown, May 8, 2023, 7:53pm; Reply: 2
And Doncaster announce tickets sold not people attending like we do, so we were ahead of them as well at least. I wonder how many other teams announce tickets sold for those figures rather than attendees?
Posted by: HerveJosse, May 8, 2023, 8:28pm; Reply: 3
This is commmon practice

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45158878
Posted by: lew chaterleys lover, May 8, 2023, 8:50pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from HerveJosse


Surely we should give the figure of tickets actually sold, season tickets or otherwise, regardless of whether they turn up? This would give a much truer reflection on whether we need additional seating etc, bearing in mind you will always get a percentage of no-shows for a variety of reasons.

It seems a bit pointless to keep saying week after week the home ends are sold out and giving a figure that is way below home capacity.
Posted by: Poojah, May 8, 2023, 9:02pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from Heisenberg


My guess would be possibly 98/99?

Amazing figures.


Considerably higher than 97/98, would you believe. 2002 is the slightly unexpected correct answer.

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/grit.htm

Posted by: Heisenberg, May 8, 2023, 9:11pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Poojah


Considerably higher than 97/98, would you believe. 2002 is the slightly unexpected correct answer.

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/grit.htm



Still two decades. I hope we average 7000 next season, but something is amiss and the stories of people not coming because they can’t get blocks of tickets together needs some real thinking about.

Giving away fans the corner when it’s not the likes of Bradford and Donny makes the most sense.
Posted by: lew chaterleys lover, May 8, 2023, 9:23pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Heisenberg


Still two decades. I hope we average 7000 next season, but something is amiss and the stories of people not coming because they can’t get blocks of tickets together needs some real thinking about.

Giving away fans the corner when it’s not the likes of Bradford and Donny makes the most sense.


I think whatever the away allocation needs to be (is it 10%) we should provide that with temporary covered seating in a corner, and leave all the stands for home fans. That way we can sell season tickets in the Osmond and Osmond corner. I am assuming we can get 900 or thereabouts temporary seats into one of the corners?

It would need some investment in temporary seating initially but would be worth it.
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, May 8, 2023, 9:29pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from toontown
And Doncaster announce tickets sold not people attending like we do, so we were ahead of them as well at least. I wonder how many other teams announce tickets sold for those figures rather than attendees?


We’ll be above Mansfield as well - they announce tickets sold.
They announced circa 7,500 when we played there. 6,500 there at most.

Posted by: HerveJosse, May 9, 2023, 2:05pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from Poojah


Considerably higher than 97/98, would you believe. 2002 is the slightly unexpected correct answer.

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/grit.htm



That was the year that we briefly led the then First Division / Championship and won at Liverpool in the League Cup
Posted by: marinerjase, May 9, 2023, 2:27pm; Reply: 10
I’m intrigued as to the numbers of resale tickets for matches this last season. Wonder if any figures will be released?
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, May 9, 2023, 2:29pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from Poojah


Considerably higher than 97/98, would you believe. 2002 is the slightly unexpected correct answer.

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/grit.htm



Indications are that clubs with new or well redeveloped grounds tend revert to their early 60s attendance levels for their current status in the pyramid. There were fewer away fans save for local derbies then but now we have more limited availability of away tickets so perhaps cancels out. Our early 60s average for 3rd tier, 7,200 - 9,500, looks eminently achievable for us, with the right stadium, be it new or a rebuilt BP. That’s people in the ground not the Donny kind of “attendance”.



Posted by: diehardmariner, May 9, 2023, 2:46pm; Reply: 12


I think whatever the away allocation needs to be (is it 10%) we should provide that with temporary covered seating in a corner, and leave all the stands for home fans. That way we can sell season tickets in the Osmond and Osmond corner. I am assuming we can get 900 or thereabouts temporary seats into one of the corners?

It would need some investment in temporary seating initially but would be worth it.


According to the official site the official capacity is 9,031, which means we would need 903 seats available to away fans. The only stand that comes near that figure (either above or below) is the Lower which has 826.  I only tend to go over there for the odd youth team game so not all that clued up on the entrance/exit but I think this would largely be unworkable due to shared access, also the fanzone location could cause further segregation issues there (would that also be the case if we chucked some temp seating in the corner between the Osmond and the Smiths?

As (if) we increase the capacity, the actual figure attached to that away max goes up too.  I'm in all favour of chucking some sort of temp. seating in the corners but if that adds 2000 onto the capacity then that's another 200 seats we have to make available to away fans.

The Osmond combined holds 1884, if you break it into the corner it's not enough but if you give the main section it's often too much.  There's no real option really but to have it as a flexible stand, tickets made available depending on how many away fans are coming.  

I don't know the exact figures, but would a better option be to give away fans the corner of the Osmond and segregate that far end of the Main Stand (up to the first entrance tunnel nearest the Osmond corner) when needed.  Both elements can be accessed/departed via the Osmond entrance on Harrington Street. [img]https://footballgroundmap.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/photos/blundell-park40838l.jpg[/img]

Because you've got a natural divide between the two stands that could (and this is all could, would and should) be used more efficiently in the event of sides not taking a full allocation and whilst taking away some home capacity in the Main does free up the whole of the main bulk of the Osmond and leaves the 3 open corners for home capacity development.
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, May 9, 2023, 3:14pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from diehardmariner


According to the official site the official capacity is 9,031, which means we would need 903 seats available to away fans. The only stand that comes near that figure (either above or below) is the Lower which has 826.  I only tend to go over there for the odd youth team game so not all that clued up on the entrance/exit but I think this would largely be unworkable due to shared access, also the fanzone location could cause further segregation issues there (would that also be the case if we chucked some temp seating in the corner between the Osmond and the Smiths?

As (if) we increase the capacity, the actual figure attached to that away max goes up too.  I'm in all favour of chucking some sort of temp. seating in the corners but if that adds 2000 onto the capacity then that's another 200 seats we have to make available to away fans.

The Osmond combined holds 1884, if you break it into the corner it's not enough but if you give the main section it's often too much.  There's no real option really but to have it as a flexible stand, tickets made available depending on how many away fans are coming.  

I don't know the exact figures, but would a better option be to give away fans the corner of the Osmond and segregate that far end of the Main Stand (up to the first entrance tunnel nearest the Osmond corner) when needed.  Both elements can be accessed/departed via the Osmond entrance on Harrington Street. [img]https://footballgroundmap.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/photos/blundell-park40838l.jpg[/img]

Because you've got a natural divide between the two stands that could (and this is all could, would and should) be used more efficiently in the event of sides not taking a full allocation and whilst taking away some home capacity in the Main does free up the whole of the main bulk of the Osmond and leaves the 3 open corners for home capacity development.


Very sensible plan if the police box could be demolished and the Harrington St corner developed with a demountable stand. It’s ridiculous that we have the police box blighting that side of the ground - how many other stadia have to have a structure in a such a prime position?

Posted by: MarinerWY, May 9, 2023, 3:53pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from diehardmariner


According to the official site the official capacity is 9,031.


Does anyone know what our actual home capacity is (for both when we have corner of Osmond and when we don't?)

Posted by: HerveJosse, May 9, 2023, 5:26pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from MarinerWY


Does anyone know what our actual home capacity is (for both when we have corner of Osmond and when we don't?)



No no one does
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, May 9, 2023, 6:22pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from HerveJosse


No no one does


Take the Forest attendance and knock off the away fans. 7,150. About 500 in the Osmond corner.

I’ve spent more time in the Main this season than any season since 1979/80. I was looking at the roof structure in one of the dull moments in the game yesterday. Every possible type of roof structural member that there is in the world and it has them, rafters, joists, purlins, collar ties, all sorts of feckin bits of wood and metal going in all directions that I had to learn the names of years ago and have never really had to know since. And at the back these structural elements have got bits of that reflective tape stuck on them to stop people walking into them. It’s incredible that we have been able to carry on using it with 2,200 capacity for this long. I wonder how many were in the Main for the Everton and Wolves games in 79 - must have been pushing 6k, mostly standing of course. Thankfully my bladder was better in those days.
Posted by: lew chaterleys lover, May 9, 2023, 7:23pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from diehardmariner


According to the official site the official capacity is 9,031, which means we would need 903 seats available to away fans. The only stand that comes near that figure (either above or below) is the Lower which has 826.  I only tend to go over there for the odd youth team game so not all that clued up on the entrance/exit but I think this would largely be unworkable due to shared access, also the fanzone location could cause further segregation issues there (would that also be the case if we chucked some temp seating in the corner between the Osmond and the Smiths?

As (if) we increase the capacity, the actual figure attached to that away max goes up too.  I'm in all favour of chucking some sort of temp. seating in the corners but if that adds 2000 onto the capacity then that's another 200 seats we have to make available to away fans.

The Osmond combined holds 1884, if you break it into the corner it's not enough but if you give the main section it's often too much.  There's no real option really but to have it as a flexible stand, tickets made available depending on how many away fans are coming.  

I don't know the exact figures, but would a better option be to give away fans the corner of the Osmond and segregate that far end of the Main Stand (up to the first entrance tunnel nearest the Osmond corner) when needed.  Both elements can be accessed/departed via the Osmond entrance on Harrington Street. [img]https://footballgroundmap.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/photos/blundell-park40838l.jpg[/img]

Because you've got a natural divide between the two stands that could (and this is all could, would and should) be used more efficiently in the event of sides not taking a full allocation and whilst taking away some home capacity in the Main does free up the whole of the main bulk of the Osmond and leaves the 3 open corners for home capacity development.

The difficulty arises because of the variable nature of away support. In this current climate (shortage of home seats) I would prefer temporary seats built say between the Pontoon and the Main stand to house the minimum number of away fans permissible, say 1000 or thereabouts. However many away fans come, we have the certainty of all of the Osmond being available for home fans instead of this constant chopping and changing.    

All the home stands then become available for season tickets, and walk-ups and give us maximum home fans.

All this is a moot point anyway as the owners do not seem to be galvanised to do something about it, for reasons not yet clear.  
Posted by: HerveJosse, May 9, 2023, 7:57pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from Limerick Mariner


Take the Forest attendance and knock off the away fans. 7,150. About 500 in the Osmond corner.

I’ve spent more time in the Main this season than any season since 1979/80. I was looking at the roof structure in one of the dull moments in the game yesterday. Every possible type of roof structural member that there is in the world and it has them, rafters, joists, purlins, collar ties, all sorts of feckin bits of wood and metal going in all directions that I had to learn the names of years ago and have never really had to know since. And at the back these structural elements have got bits of that reflective tape stuck on them to stop people walking into them. It’s incredible that we have been able to carry on using it with 2,200 capacity for this long. I wonder how many were in the Main for the Everton and Wolves games in 79 - must have been pushing 6k, mostly standing of course. Thankfully my bladder was better in those days.


Shush don’t let English Heritage hear that or they will list it and then we wil be  copulated.
Posted by: lukeo, May 10, 2023, 7:15am; Reply: 19
If season tickets go well then we should look to just give away fans the corner no matter who they are if there is enough percentage of seats in the corner... So what if they could bring 1k+. Take the risk of hoping we will atleast half fill the osmond most games. Obviously I'm not aware of logistics regarding toilets and food vendors in the osmond so not sure how easy or possible it is.

*I would then allocate the middle block of the osmond as the 'singing section'
Posted by: diehardmariner, May 10, 2023, 11:13am; Reply: 20

The difficulty arises because of the variable nature of away support. In this current climate (shortage of home seats) I would prefer temporary seats built say between the Pontoon and the Main stand to house the minimum number of away fans permissible, say 1000 or thereabouts. However many away fans come, we have the certainty of all of the Osmond being available for home fans instead of this constant chopping and changing.    

All the home stands then become available for season tickets, and walk-ups and give us maximum home fans.

All this is a moot point anyway as the owners do not seem to be galvanised to do something about it, for reasons not yet clear.  


Aye, that's not a bad shout either.  Although it would be a shared turnstile area with the Main Stand for that.  Not a problem for me personally but not sure if you have to have some sort of segregation for it.  

I think ideally you would want the police box moving elsewhere and the Pontoon and the Main Stand joined up (even if a little disjointed) to a) maximise your capacity in that area but also b) keep the atmosphere a large bulk of the ground rather than getting swallowed up by the open corners.

Stockwood said something post game about a significant amount of money going into the ground for essential work.  Whilst some of that will be required by law, I can't imagine they're just happy to spend serious money on treading water.  I would suspect that improvements are planned to coincide with the essential works too.
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