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Has O'Neill been out on loan anywhere else this season? I ask because he has only been in the 1st team squad 4 times this season and from what I can gather for a total of 5 minutes! Also, at 19 years old, is he capable of playing in the rough and tumble of League 2. I'm not against his inclusion, I just thought when I saw his age and appearances, we might have someone better to play there. Thoughts?

Quoted from Poojah

Town win today. I can feel it in my píss.

You really need to stop piss1ng on your hands. It’s not hygienic

Quoted from aldi_01

There’s a reason Charlie Austin is playing against a team that was in the conference last year…

If he didn’t come from the area and make his name at the club there’s absolutely no way he’d be playing L2 football

Hoping he has a stinker, but absolutely no doubt that he’s a top striker at this level

Quoted from 123614

Has O'Neill been out on loan anywhere else this season? I ask because he has only been in the 1st team squad 4 times this season and from what I can gather for a total of 5 minutes! Also, at 19 years old, is he capable of playing in the rough and tumble of League 2. I'm not against his inclusion, I just thought when I saw his age and appearances, we might have someone better to play there. Thoughts?

Not against his inclusion but you thought we'd have someone better to play there, Jesus give the lad a chance before you judge him!

Let's hope for one of those dream debuts.

Think he's only 18 actually, not that it matters.

Quoted from 123614

Has O'Neill been out on loan anywhere else this season? I ask because he has only been in the 1st team squad 4 times this season and from what I can gather for a total of 5 minutes! Also, at 19 years old, is he capable of playing in the rough and tumble of League 2. I'm not against his inclusion, I just thought when I saw his age and appearances, we might have someone better to play there. Thoughts?

Well, let’s trust the manager.
Looks a very good player.

Quoted from coddy60

Not against his inclusion but you thought we'd have someone better to play there, Jesus give the lad a chance before you judge him!

Geez, who broke your favourite toy today!

Quoted from 123614

Has O'Neill been out on loan anywhere else this season? I ask because he has only been in the 1st team squad 4 times this season and from what I can gather for a total of 5 minutes! Also, at 19 years old, is he capable of playing in the rough and tumble of League 2. I'm not against his inclusion, I just thought when I saw his age and appearances, we might have someone better to play there. Thoughts?

Firstly, google and wikipedia do exist. Secondly, he's 18. Thirdly, he played over an hour in their FA Cup match last week. Finally, you have no idea how good he is or isn't

He does like to get his moans in early

Why don't we ever give a new or incoming loan player a fair chance to get on the field before decrying the signing?

Welcome, young man, and give 'em hell!

Wow, all the moaners getting their bit in early, and I didn't say how good or bad I thought he was. In any case, I can say what I want, if you don't like it - tough!

Tondeur and Gritton both incapable of telling Khan and Clifton apart. They've called the former the latter about five times and we're only three minutes into the match.

Good start from Town. Great shot from Holohan if he'd gone for the other top bin, the keeper would have been done.

Woking already winning at Scunny.

Quoted from 123614

Wow, all the moaners getting their bit in early, and I didn't say how good or bad I thought he was. In any case, I can say what I want, if you don't like it - tough!

You said you thought we'd get someone better so that shows how good you assume him to be. Plank

Best opening 10 minutes we've had in the league, sounds pretty good so far.

Ref knocked out possibly, went down like a Spanish footballer.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Ref knocked out possibly, went down like a Spanish footballer.

He was moving when he was on the floor. He'll be concussed I bet though

Got him in the recovery position because the balls hit him 🤣

And the ref has been subbed off

Quoted from promotion plaice

Ref knocked out possibly, went down like a Spanish footballer.

Freak one. Being hit on the noggin with a footy isn't a lark but I wouldn't exactly say it was blasted at him

If theres no fourth official does that mean theres no one to sepparate Mad Gav Gunning and Chris Danger Doig if it all kicks off at any point ;D ;D ;D

Quoted from 123614

Has O'Neill been out on loan anywhere else this season? I ask because he has only been in the 1st team squad 4 times this season and from what I can gather for a total of 5 minutes! Also, at 19 years old, is he capable of playing in the rough and tumble of League 2. I'm not against his inclusion, I just thought when I saw his age and appearances, we might have someone better to play there. Thoughts?

He's 18 and played Champinship 14 mins as 3 x sub, 61mins FA cup 6 mins EFL cup. He was was out early this season with an injury, however PH must think a lot of him to play him this early, he still hasn't unpacked. Let's give the lad a chance before we chew him out.

bosh

https://twitter.com/JervisLaurence/status/1614279978429865986

After 2 cleans sheets, here we go again

Absolutely shocking stuff from Smith there, he's just gone and jumped under the ball instead of heading it away.

Quoted from aldi_01

There’s a reason Charlie Austin is playing against a team that was in the conference last year…

What reason is that?

Typical. Austin on his return. Smith leaves his man easy header as Efete tries to get across him at the last second

WAY too easy that. 😔

Amos getting done up like a kipper in this match.

Got to give our defenders some benefit of the doubt, the conditions look horrendous for us this half

Quoted from pontoonlew

What reason is that?

Defending like that doesn’t mean he’s brilliant…he took the offer he was given…

Quoted from immariner

You said you thought we'd get someone better so that shows how good you assume him to be. Plank

Grow up kiddie.

What the intercourse are we playing at with these corner routines? McAtee stood out by the corner flag but we're not playing it short to him? Hitting it low straight to the defender at the front post for an early clearance or directly to Holohan on the edge of the box for him to miscontrol it and let them in directly on the counter? Just take a proper corner and stop messing about.

We're looking like Man City at the moment.

Why can't we find someone who can take a fookin corner??

Quoted from promotion plaice

We're looking like Man City at the moment.

I’ll take that TBH

New lad is having a good game. A lot of awareness.

Quoted from 123614

Grow up kiddie.

You talk excrement pops. Just calling you out on it

Has the new bloke touched it yet??

Amos off straight red

Amos red card down to 10 men

Brilliant…. Terrible from Amos

Amos sums up a 0/10 performance from him, shocking display

Quoted from TAGG

Has the new bloke touched it yet??

Yeah he's won a couple headers and set up that early strike from Holohan that nearly dipped into the top corner

One straight ball and there through evertime Amos of now fs.

Pathetic stuff from town today, the defending has been embarrassing - what on earth Amos is playing at there i have no idea

Quoted from promotion plaice

That's it then :-/

Just about sums his day up

Pathetic Swindon players running to the ref to send Amos off.

Glennon on O' Neil off

JT said O'Neil off but it's Khan. My apologies.

FFS sounds like we’re contributing to our downfall, first sending off of the season I think.

Khan off for Glennon

Can see us getting stuffed here now I'm afraid after a bright start.

Quoted from 123614

Pathetic Swindon players running to the ref to send Amos off.

What do you expect FFS!!! Its a clear red card

How he has let that run across him like that? That is schoolboy

Max makes a superb save and keeps us in it.

Smith is having a 1/10 performance here

It's like the ghosts of Ridley and Kempson have possessed our defence.

Quoted from Hagrid

What do you expect FFS!!! Its a clear red card

What the hell is up with you man, grumpy old bugga. I wasn't disputing it was a red card, just bad sportsmanship by Swindon players.

if we can go in only one down. Amos red card could be a blessing in disguise. He was getting beaten all ends up. Better with wind behind us.

Quoted from 123614

What the hell is up with you man, grumpy old bugga.

Called realism. For once why dont you try use some.

It was a red card clear as day.

Quoted from Hagrid

Called realism. For once why dont you try use some.

It was a red card clear as day.

You're weird.

Quoted from GyMariner

Game over now

Not necessarily
Keep the faith

great ball in by Glennon.

Great chance. Missed

Rubbish from McAtee that, too weak, just needs to hold the defender off and he's got a tap-in. Instead he let the defender fold him over and scuffs it wide with half the goal gaping. He'd have scored that last season.

We need to get in at 1-0 because this wind is worth an extra player in itself.

Smith and Holohan having absolute stinkers

Gaz and Smith having fookin nightmares

In all honesty McAtee has been a bit rubbish since he came back from injury hasn't he? 🤔
Hope I live to regret saying that! 😁

Even Fergie never got this much stoppage time

Quoted from Badger57

In all honesty McAtee has been a bit rubbish since he came back from injury hasn't he? 🤔
Hope I live to regret saying that! 😁

He's completely reliant on having a target man like Taylor occupying centre halves for him so he has space to play in. Without that he's really ineffective unless we're counter attacking and have the defence back peddling.

Quoted from Badger57

In all honesty McAtee has been a bit rubbish since he came back from injury hasn't he? 🤔
Hope I live to regret saying that! 😁

Agreed. But he is playing as a striker and that isnt what he is

Quoted from Badger57

In all honesty McAtee has been a bit rubbish since he came back from injury hasn't he? 🤔
Hope I live to regret saying that! 😁

Can't agree personally, he constantly looks a threat but our ineptness in the transfer market when it comes to getting a striker in has meant we've regularly played him out of position.

Granted, his finishing etc hasn't been fantastic, but he's quite clearly still our most technically gifted player.

Swindon players going down every minute like they've been shot.....fooking boring.

Well thankfully its only 1 and theres still a chance

Quoted from Hagrid

Well thankfully its only 1 and theres still a chance

If we get as much as a point out of this, I will do something terrible with a sausage by the pontoon.

I wonder what the end of game comments will be?

We went down to 10 men and the team gelled together

or

When we went down to 10 men they always had the extra man.

I hope it's not the latter as at 1 - 0 down the game is not dead and we can recover. Missing that chance just before half time to level it showed that there are and will be opportunities to score. It's never over till the final whistle.

Gonna need to battle hard second half if we are to come out this game with anything.. Usual problem sticking its head out again no one capable of putting good chances away . We need astriker and we get another midfielder .May as well put a plaster on a broken back

Quoted from Poojah

If we get as much as a point out of this, I will do something terrible with a sausage by the pontoon.

I’ll hold you to / for that

That was a hard half to watch. Only 1-0 and I fancy us to dig in with the wind. O'Neill looks a talented player and much more a physical presence than I expected.

Amos has had a shocker there, but ffs some of the excrement people are saying on Twitter is embarrassing. He's been decent throughout his full spell with us and is a young player who gives his all. He's just made a howler and had a poor game.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

I’ll hold you to / for that

I think Poojah is having a bad day, firstly he's washing his hands in his p!ss and now he wants to play with his sausage.!

Two individual errors and we find ourselves a goal and man down. Smith, Holohan, Amos (whilst he managed to stay on), absolute stinkers. Greeny not great either. McAtee has to score that chance and we've had a couple of other half decent openings. Still in it whilst it's only 1

Hull city commentary on mariners tv 😕

Quoted from DB

I think Poojah is having a bad day, firstly he's washing his hands in his p!ss and now he wants to play with his sausage.!

Before your time on here DB, Poojah won't be playing with his sausage ;)

I'm liking O'Neil, looks a player think he might score second half

Quoted from chaos33

Hull city commentary on mariners tv 😕

Will be because of all the added time in our first half

I'm liking O'Neil, looks a player think he might score second half

maybe the new lad could be a hero this half? He looks like he has something about him!

Quoted from pontoonlew

Can't agree personally, he constantly looks a threat but our ineptness in the transfer market when it comes to getting a striker in has meant we've regularly played him out of position.

Granted, his finishing etc hasn't been fantastic, but he's quite clearly still our most technically gifted player.

Only you could draw this back to your current favourite obsession.

Quoted from Badger57

In all honesty McAtee has been a bit rubbish since he came back from injury hasn't he? 🤔
Hope I live to regret saying that! 😁

Well he’s not a striker, is he?

Like no players ever miss a chance. FFS

I think we can scrape a draw because they keep hitting the woodwork.

Quoted from chaos33

Like no players ever miss a chance. FFS

What are you on about? I’m saying he’s playing out of position FFS

Needless fouls are not gonna get us back in this.

Quoted from Mayaman

I think we can scrape a draw because they keep hitting the woodwork.

I agree with you, when they can't score there must be something in it for us.

I'm beginning to think it wasn't even windy in the first half, we were just absolutely shite

And that is game over

2-0 unmarked man at the back post on tge half volley low and hard to the back post

Shameful stuff, a gutless performance today. Hurst needs to stop sitting on his hands and get some better players in.

2 -0 down and even my positivity has to say out.

What the hell do I know. Hutton's crosses are quality - either whipped or chipped.

Was game over anyway

How come other teams seem to play better when they go down to 10 men but we never do? 🤔

Quoted from chaos33

Just post something that isn’t moany you miserable old tw@t

You do enjoy online bullying, don’t you? To be perfectly honest, it’s people like you that put people off posting on here.

Crocombe's actually having a decent game. The less said about the clowns sat in front of him the better.

Poojah’s sausage is safe.

Getting well stuffed now. Looking void of ideas.

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Quoted from MuddyWaters

You do enjoy online bullying, don’t you? To be perfectly honest, it’s people like you that put people off posting on here.

I’m not bullying you. I don’t have that power. Get a grip and stop playing the victim. All you ever post is moaning and negative. It’s boring.

Christ this has been shite. Look very lightweight in defence without waterfall.

Right Hurst its over, lets get 3 players on and get them a decent amount of game time for a change. Throw Pearson, Hunt and Orsi on or something. They're doing it as they've won the game

I went for a glass of wine to drown my sorrows and came back to 3 - 0 down. My sympathies go out to all the 565 fans who made the journey.

Hurst needs to pull his finger out now

2 weeks to get some better players in or we’ll be looking over our shoulders

Absolutely abysmal display today

Quoted from chaos33

I’m not bullying you. I don’t have that power. Get a grip and stop playing the victim. All you ever post is moaning and negative. It’s boring.

I’m not going to be bullied into thinking that everything in the garden is rosy because it isn’t.

You win. I won’t be posting any more.

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

Right Hurst its over, lets get 3 players on and get them a decent amount of game time for a change. Throw Pearson, Hunt and Orsi on or something. They're doing it as they've won the game

He might as well really.

This has been rank. No one can say they've done their job to the required standard today. Still 20-odd to go. Playing for pride

Why wont Hurst make some subs game is lost rest people like Holohan/McAtee/Green/Smith and give the others a run out.

The Hurst Out calls have started on social media😂 we really do have some tools in our fanbase

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’m not going to be bullied into thinking that everything in the garden is rosy because it isn’t.

You win. I won’t be posting any more.

You massive baby. Bullied?! ‘Oh I’m being bullied because someone called me a moaning tw@t’ (even though I am and always have been) 🥲

See ya then.

You know you’ll be back later.

I’m always positive about town but what I’m watching now is depressing, we played better against the wind in the first half, we were so promising in the first half .

We've been shocking second half.
Offering absolutely nothing.
Not enduring any more of this crap. <click. >

That was so poor from Hunt. So weak

Town are suffering exactly what we did to Conference sides last season.

We are being chased, harassed, outpassed, and Swindon's movements on both wings are faster than either of our full backs.

O' Neill looks lively as part of a losing 10 man side.

Missing Waterfall badly in the back 4 today with some poor positioning and lack of pace. Our clearances are 50% thump and hope with little chanc for the attacking players.

Just hoping now with some hard tackles that we don't go down to 9 men with bookings just starting to add up !

This shows how much Taylor contributed to holding up and accurate passing.

Subs look like we want to try to hold it at 3-0,

Ah well, didn't even get to end this before it became 4-0.

They are huge yards faster then us !!!

The only good thing is that the season here is not on. An HCMC fan is also a Swindon fan and I couldn't face him after this.

Beaten easily by a goalkeeper and a urine-poor defender playing at Managers.

What a disgrace.

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Oh that's why Hurst never plays Hunt

We’ll be looking over our shoulder if the league form doesn’t improve quickly.

Quoted from Hagrid

The Hurst Out calls have started on social media😂 we really do have some tools in our fanbase

Why are people "Tools" for expecting better ?

We are not all rose tinted spectacle wearers like you !

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’m not going to be bullied into thinking that everything in the garden is rosy because it isn’t.

You win. I won’t be posting any more.

Just try to ignore him. He has been like this for quite some time, attacking anybody who has an alternative, critical viewpoint. Why on earth he thinks everybody has to be relentlessly positive I have no idea, nor do I care really.

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

Why are people "Tools" for expecting better ?

We are not all rose tinted spectacle wearers like you !

Because every time we lose the same people post

4-0 and they've hit the woodwork 3 times. Big ouch

I don’t think we have enough 18 year old not proven players playing today. Hopefully Hurst can get some more in for next week ;)

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’m not going to be bullied into thinking that everything in the garden is rosy because it isn’t.

You win. I won’t be posting any more.

Keep posting what you think , Dont give in to insulting posters . Its about time Rob had words with him as he is alwase insulting someone .

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

Why are people "Tools" for expecting better ?

We are not all rose tinted spectacle wearers like you !

I think he meant they're tools for wanting a manager sacked who only got us promoted last year, rather than tools for expecting better.

Quoted from chaos33

You massive baby. Bullied?! ‘Oh I’m being bullied because someone called me a moaning tw@t’ (even though I am and always have been) 🥲

See ya then.

You know you’ll be back later.

You’re a delight you are 🙄

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Just try to ignore him. He has been like this for quite some time, attacking anybody who has an alternative, critical viewpoint. Why on earth he thinks everybody has to be relentlessly positive I have no idea, nor do I care really.

🥲

Yes….pay no attention to the man who challenges your perpetually tedious, negative, moany view. Cry and claim bullying. Grow up.

Quoted from denni266

Keep posting what you think , Dont give in to insulting posters . Its about time Rob had words with him as he is alwase insulting someone .

Jeez. Please - somebody tell him off. It’s not ok to be called out. I want to insult others and criticise the club, but I can’t stand others doing the same to me.

What os Smith doing there! Just half punt it away.

Have Swindon declared yet? Oh hang on they now have a nap hand!

Got to be careful now, table won’t be looking great in a few games time

Smith looks a shadow of the player earlier in the year.

Simple one for me. Forget the sending off we are being beaten by a much better and technically gifted team.

Quoted from bawarmy

I don’t think we have enough 18 year old not proven players playing today. Hopefully Hurst can get some more in for next week ;)

To be fair to the lad, he's done alright under the circumstances.

Quoted from chaos33

Jeez. Please - somebody tell him off. It’s not ok to be called out. I want to insult others and criticise the club, but I can’t stand others doing the same to me.

We have the right to moan without being called various types of idiots all the time . You are not our master of any kind , disagree if you like but do not insult as you do not like it being bounced at you one bit.

He's had a good game, shows a lot of promise.

Podge scores against the Scunts.

One bright spot in an otherwise awful day.

This is how Dover fsns felt when we played them last year.

We have just run around chasing Swindon shadows today.

Beaten today by a far better team on the edge of the play offs !

When we have had possession, our passing has been poor quality.

We gloated at the Dover result - today was League 2 payback - being taught a severe lesson in running and passing at pace.

We lost. We were shite. They were good. We were conference last year. They bottled their playoff campaign.

The end.

See ya next week.

The cesspit of doom is unbearable on here after a defeat…

Quoted from denni266

We have the right to moan without being called various types of idiots all the time . You are not our master of any kind , disagree if you like but do not insult as you do not like it being bounced at you one bit.

What? Make a valid criticism of me. I won’t cry and claim bullying. Good luck.

The issue for you is…..we can debate points and exchange views and that’s all good, but you are actually, objectively, an idiot.

What has happened to Smith??
Hes been shocking most of ghe season.

How i'd bite any of your appendages off for a player like Saidou Khan, if he plays anything like that regularly

Quoted from HertsGTFC

We’ll be looking over our shoulder if the league form doesn’t improve quickly.

There's somebody behind you - Oh no there isn't - if we are not careful

Town win & we struggle to make 15 pages
Town lose and we normally hit 20

FT 5-0

Mildenhall will be pleased with the clean sheet 🙄

Quoted from chaos33

What? Make a valid criticism of me. I won’t cry and claim bullying. Good luck.

Do you not think it ironic that you spend all your time moaning about people moaning ?

Safe journey home to the 565 faithful.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Do you not think it ironic that you spend all your time moaning about people moaning ?

No. I’m not moaning about it.

Quoted from chaos33

What? Make a valid criticism of me. I won’t cry and claim bullying. Good luck.

The issue for you is…..we can debate points and exchange views and that’s all good, but you are actually, objectively, an idiot.

Are you familiar with the term “have a fight in an empty room”.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Are you familiar with the term “have a fight in an empty room”.

No.

We have some creative players in this squad Hurst needs to play them

At least the new lad looked an upgrade on what we had previously the very few chances he got to shine. Other then that erm... it looks like we came away without any injuries erm... yeah no I can't think of anything else positive.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

We have some creative players in this squad Hurst needs to play them

That won't happen Hurst only allows a maximum of 3 on the pitch at anyone time.

I love this club, and we lost to a very good team today.

Move on ASAP.

1 question for me though, McAtee should be dropped, he's not performed for a while now. Maybe Hunt in his place please.

Terrible performance for me.

I usually try to stay balanced in assessment of performances and general stuff regards the Club but there’s no doubting that today has been truly awful.

Forget the score, we know that’s embarrassing but it’s more the performance that has been so disjointed and lacking in any type of quality whatsoever that upsets me.

I can suffer losses if we’ve played ok, haven’t looked inferior to the opposition and have crafted a few bits and pieces. Today we haven’t been able to string three passes together and that’s more hard to swallow than the score line.

We’ve focused so heavily on this striker but on todays showing I think the entire team would/could/should be replaced. No-one has come away with any credit for me.

Pains to be so critical but there was nothing in this game to even raise a smile.

I don’t agree with the Hurst Out calls and I will forever be a fan of the guy but I think this may be the game in which more fans start to turn their thoughts towards whether he can move us forward and from this point needs to bring opinion back to the positive rather than the negative.

Even being a huge PH fan it’s hard not to succumb to the idea that things are unravelling a little and he needs to really make a statement in the next few performances to alleviate the discontent that apparently seems to be growing amongst sections of fans.

Hopefully it’s simply just the bad performance, bad day and a bad batch of Coors that’s made the afternoon as sour as it is but I hope for PH, the players and more so the fans that we can get a run of decent performances going to banish this memory to the history books.

Massive game next week now, think it might be time to ring some changes, it can't be any worse.

Rubbish but 3 points next week and a couple of signings and we are on track. Charlie Austin is a good signing at this level and I feared this one from the off.
We also need Waterfall back. Great support as ever and I worked in Swindon and it is a long drive from here.
UTM

We should not be arguing like we are on a BBC HYS where you get MU fans insulting Liverpool fans and vice-versa.
I was not very confident about today. Swindon beat us with some ease at BP and, with the dreadful conditions, today was always going to be tough. I still want to be optimistic, though, because the downs of the last relegation season really did my head in. You can do without that when you are 75.
I can’t ever remember us getting a good result at Swindon. One defeat came in a season when we had 50 points in the Championship and were safe. It was the last match of the season with Andy Love in goal. 1-0 down after a minute and an abysmal display. The County Ground is not a happy hunting place for us. Move on.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

We have some creative players in this squad Hurst needs to play them

We lost 5-0.

It’s not the lack of creative players that are causing the problem.

Our best defender is injured. Our second best defender (Taylor) is also injured.

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

I love this club, and we lost to a very good team today.

Move on ASAP.

1 question for me though, McAtee should be dropped, he's not performed for a while now. Maybe Hunt in his place please.

Agreed- he has been poor and does need dropping. Also Swindon are decent, we lost one game against a team with likely a much higher budget some on here need to get some perspective. It was bad but not the end of the world. We can get the same 3 points if we beat Harrogate next week and we owe them one.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

We have some creative players in this squad Hurst needs to play them

We keep saying it but with no focal point up front who can hold the ball up and allow us to move forward as a team we will continue to struggle. I have questioned the quality of our summer signings before and to me they are average or just below average L2 players. We lack creativity in midfield and on those occasions we do get forward fail to get sufficient numbers in the box.

On the plus side in the vast majority of matches we are highly committed and competitive but that’s really not enough. Gillingham and Colchester both appear to be making a number of signings and as a result changing their fortunes and hopefully we will do the same in the next two weeks as the current squad will not take us much higher than we sit now and indeed could take us significantly lower.

Let’s hope today is just a terrible day at the office and we bounce back next Saturday v Harrogate but lose that and we will all start getting a bit twitchy.

Obviously this last 3 months has shown us that we are no where near a good side. Why becaues we got cheap or kids and what was left in poundland sales.. and the odd lone that cannot get a propper run of games . Because hurst wont spend what is needed like its his own money he is spending . Most expected that we had learned from last time what happens if you dont kick on ,Never say it wont happen again becaues it will . And as for the season ticket holders that expected better have been hoodwinked in to expecting better expect season tickets to half next season if this carries on

Re a few comments-
Perhaps the reason shorter threads when we won the last couple of games, they were so dire there wasn't a great deal to talk about.
Hunt was not good but what do you expect from a player that hasn't played for more than 10 mins in over 2 months.
Yes Swindon player for player were better than us re pace/skill/ability to pass the ball/and kicking the ball towards the goal.
O Neil looks decent we will know in about 3 games time if he is good enough, today is not the game to judge him on.
My thoughts generally.
Other than a couple of players we have little ability in the team other than charging around trying to get the ball back.
We are lightweight in midfield and up top (strength).
We lack anyone with pace over 5'10 and 10 stone sopping wet other than Efete (I exagerate but hope people get the point)
Amos off, knew we would not get back into it.
Hopefully better next week with 11 men for 90 mins plus.
Todays positives we didn't get any more red cards and the players did not give up
Crocombe showed what a good keeper he is.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

We lost 5-0.

It’s not the lack of creative players that are causing the problem.

Our best defender is injured. Our second best defender (Taylor) is also injured.

Yeah, our squad is paper thin and lacks adequate replacements for key players when they get injured. Hurst needs to stop being so hesitant in the transfer market and pull the trigger on some new signings instead of leaving it to the last minute and signing inexperienced youngsters on loan (and if it's not his hesitancy preventing us from bringing in better quality players then he needs to be having a word with Stockwood and Pettit about our budget, because it's clearly not competitive enough regardless of what they say about it)

It's an aberration. We were very much in the game at 1-0 before the sending off. After that an efficient, creative Swindon put us to the sword and we weren't tight enough. Very disappointing but it's not how we normally play. It's not the time for histrionics, move on to next week now

It’s not that bad. 5-0 defeat !!! Just the result that a lot of the moaning buggers on here wanted. Bet you was getting worried with our last two 1-0 wins. Yes, you could still have a go at our forward line but with the defence keeping clean sheets, that was a problem.
Yes, we are far from where we could be, but some of you on here just moan for moaning sake. Should be on Facebooks, Grimsby Town complain & grumble site.

I don’t believe for a minute the argument that Hurst won’t pay the money and we know he’s put bids in for players to have them knocked back.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I don’t believe for a minute the argument that Hurst won’t pay the money and we know he’s put bids in for players to have them knocked back.

That depends what the bid was in the first place . No harm in trying to get a bargain but football is an expencive thing to be in and if you want to compete you have to pay the going rate . You never seem to hear we have gone back with a better bid etc. And end up with a young kid just out of nappies on loan that knows nothing , Or the dregs from the bin outside poundland

Awful performance to add to a season of largely poor performances. Fortunately the bottom 3 are so bad that we're unlikely to be in real trouble, but if we play this badly in the next 5 games then we're bang in trouble. I suspect we'll grind out enough points from sheer endeavor to be safe, but this team is p1ss poor in quality.

Quoted from denni266

That depends what the bid was in the first place . No harm in trying to get a bargain but football is an expencive thing to be in and if you want to compete you have to pay the going rate . You never seem to hear we have gone back with a better bid etc. And end up with a young kid just out of nappies on loan that knows nothing , Or the dregs from the bin outside poundland

Not many teams pay for players at this level and negotiations aren't done publicly like that. Except where clubs are trying to disrupt players at the higher levels.

But we clearly have a problem. We've heard for years that our budget is competitive, but the football never is. We must have an extra £500k to what was budgeted for this season and it won't be back next season because we've not even tried to have a go this season.

Quoted from denni266

Obviously this last 3 months has shown us that we are no where near a good side. Why becaues we got cheap or kids and what was left in poundland sales.. and the odd lone that cannot get a propper run of games . Because hurst wont spend what is needed like its his own money he is spending . Most expected that we had learned from last time what happens if you dont kick on ,Never say it wont happen again becaues it will . And as for the season ticket holders that expected better have been hoodwinked in to expecting better expect season tickets to half next season if this carries on

As usual…cobblers.
What were our last two league and cup results? What does ‘lone’ mean?
What does ‘cheap or kids mean’? What are the relative costs of the ‘cheap’ players you refer to? Please provide figures so we can compare our players to those of other teams.

Who has been ‘hoodwinked’? We were promoted and we’ve established ourselves in L2. We have shortcomings and some areas for development, but who doesn’t? What is it exactly that you think you’re automatically entitled to?

We got promoted last season. That's quite competitive.

After sleeping on it last night being hugely embarrassed I’ll put my thoughts now as I was absolutely livid at the time yesterday..

I don’t think we have enough quality and Hurst stayed too loyal to some players that got us promoted and it’s starting to show. I think that we really are missing strength and height in the team we don’t have any quality in the middle just 3 lads who are willing to run around and it’s not enough in this division. Holohan has been ultimately poor for his past 5/6 performances, Smith looks a totally different player…

What was the thinking behind giving a full debut to a young player on loan, with no EFL experience to speak of, at one of the leading teams in the division, who presumably doesn't even know his team mates names, how they play or anything about them?

How can the ultra cautious Hurst go from never using subs before the 70th minute, to throwing a youngster in the deep end like that?

Players come in every window and don't seem to hit the spot, and the same will happen this time. There will be a flurry of signings again now in the next 2 weeks but there seems precious little evidence he even knows what he wants.

What happened to the oft repeated line of they have got to be the right fit, or was that just a smokescreen to gloss over the fact we can't attract quality players that would improve us?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I don’t believe for a minute the argument that Hurst won’t pay the money and we know he’s put bids in for players to have them knocked back.

Proving he won't pay the money

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

What was the thinking behind giving a full debut to a young player on loan, with no EFL experience to speak of, at one of the leading teams in the division, who presumably doesn't even know his team mates names, how they play or anything about them?

How can the ultra cautious Hurst go from never using subs before the 70th minute, to throwing a youngster in the deep end like that?

Players come in every window and don't seem to hit the spot, and the same will happen this time. There will be a flurry of signings again now in the next 2 weeks but there seems precious little evidence he even knows what he wants.

What happened to the oft repeated line of they have got to be the right fit, or was that just a smokescreen to gloss over the fact we can't attract quality players that would improve us?

Because we don't have anyone else. Taylor looks past it and has been a country mile better than anybody else we've tried. McAtee has been garbage except the first sub appearance and that isn't his role anyway.

To be fair, the new lad looked decent in the first 10 minutes and probably caught the eye more than anybody else on our team. I wouldn't write him off yet, but it's a big ask expecting him to be the answer.

Quoted from Garth

Proving he won't pay the money

Not necessarily….. maybe he offered the money he had which is a different scenario.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

What was the thinking behind giving a full debut to a young player on loan, with no EFL experience to speak of, at one of the leading teams in the division, who presumably doesn't even know his team mates names, how they play or anything about them?

How can the ultra cautious Hurst go from never using subs before the 70th minute, to throwing a youngster in the deep end like that?

Players come in every window and don't seem to hit the spot, and the same will happen this time. There will be a flurry of signings again now in the next 2 weeks but there seems precious little evidence he even knows what he wants.

What happened to the oft repeated line of they have got to be the right fit, or was that just a smokescreen to gloss over the fact we can't attract quality players that would improve us?

I think it’s evident that we currently can’t attract the quality we aspire to. I’m not sure whether we’ll ever get to know if that’s down to fees, salaries, location, facilities, league position or we can convince the player but not the agent but I refuse to believe we’re not doing all we can.

Who says he isn't the right fit?

From what I gather, he was one of the better players for us. Bit of a baptism of fire for him, but i don't think it would have mattered who we played. They were just clearly better than us.

Quoted from pen penfras

Because we don't have anyone else. Taylor looks past it and has been a country mile better than anybody else we've tried. McAtee has been garbage except the first sub appearance and that isn't his role anyway.

To be fair, the new lad looked decent in the first 10 minutes and probably caught the eye more than anybody else on our team. I wouldn't write him off yet, but it's a big ask expecting him to be the answer.

We had Kiernan Orsi and Wearne on the bench. All of those know their team mates, the style of play and know what League 2 is all about, yet we threw an 18 year old (?) in.

The new lad may be better than those 3 subs but at least give him a chance to settle in.

It's the disparity between the normally ultra cautious and putting a young player straight in that makes me think something is amiss. Like he was trying to make a point.

So, you don’t like it when he doesn’t try something different, and you don’t like it when he does?

I have decided not to comment until today,but all the concerns I had in August are being realised. We started the season off 3/4 light and this is the direct consequence of this. It was obvious to a 12 year old our strikers were not sufficient and those we brought in were merely stocking fillers from Aldi..
I stated when Messrs Petite and Stockwood took over I would not pass judgment until well into the season.I consider now is the time.They were welcome with an incredible amount of good will and hailed as rescuing the club.This manifested itself in a significant increase in attendances and season ticket sales.This was accompanied with an increase in the sales of merchandise.In conjunction with player sales and a decent cup run the club has generated a significant increase in income.
Let me remind the board the core function of their enterprise is to deliver entertaining football,well you failing at delivering your core function.If you take for granted the goodwill that has been shown to you. will evaporate. Fine words in the Guardian butter no parsnips,you need to invest in good quality players if you wish this project to succeed.

Quoted from Garth

Proving he won't pay the money

Except it doesn’t prove that. That’s just 2+2=5.

You know nothing about the ‘bid’ or why it was turned down. Could’ve been a fee. Might not. Could’ve been wages, or the player not wanting to move, or other clubs interested or countless other things.

Quoted from friskneymariner

I have decided not to comment until today,but all the concerns I had in August are being realised. We started the season off 3/4 light and this is the direct consequence of this. It was obvious to a 12 year old our strikers were not sufficient and those we brought in were merely stocking fillers from Aldi..
I stated when Messrs Petite and Stockwood took over I would not pass judgment until well into the season.I consider now is the time.They were welcome with an incredible amount of good will and hailed as rescuing the club.This manifested itself in a significant increase in attendances and season ticket sales.This was accompanied with an increase in the sales of merchandise.In conjunction with player sales and a decent cup run the club has generated a significant increase in income.
Let me remind the board the core function of their enterprise is to deliver entertaining football,well you failing at delivering your core function.If you take for granted the goodwill that has been shown to you. will evaporate. Fine words in the Guardian butter no parsnips,you need to invest in good quality players if you wish this project to succeed.

Absolute boll0x, the board of a football club are not accountable for delivering entertainment. In our case the board are accountable for the betterment of the club something that overall if you look at their time at the helm they’ve delivered on.

Holy shot! Here's me thinking we got promoted last season but sounds like it didn't happen on here. Our extended season meant all LGE 2 clubs had a month head start on signing players before us. Now we're in January, it's never a great window but as long as we can improve our squad I'll be happy.
O' niell looks an upgrade on people and Simmonds, so so far so good.
We seem to have fans who just ignore the realities of signing players, are highly critical but offer no proof or alternative options.
I'd rather put my faith in a manager who's built 2 squads that have got us promoted than a bunch of miserable "supporters" who will never be happy and know sodomist all about our transfer dealings but pretend to.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Absolute boll0x, the board of a football club are not accountable for delivering entertainment. In our case the board are accountable for the betterment of the club something that overall if you look at their time at the helm they’ve delivered on.

Well that first sentence just about sums up why you will never persuade the happy clappers we deserve better.

People who use the term ‘happy clappers’ are a bit daft if you ask me.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Absolute boll0x, the board of a football club are not accountable for delivering entertainment. In our case the board are accountable for the betterment of the club something that overall if you look at their time at the helm they’ve delivered on.

Depends on what your definition of betterment is.We can have a healthy balance sheet,but is that fulfilling the function of a football club,it's not all about the bottom line.

Quoted from friskneymariner

I have decided not to comment until today,but all the concerns I had in August are being realised. We started the season off 3/4 light and this is the direct consequence of this. It was obvious to a 12 year old our strikers were not sufficient and those we brought in were merely stocking fillers from Aldi..
I stated when Messrs Petite and Stockwood took over I would not pass judgment until well into the season.I consider now is the time.They were welcome with an incredible amount of good will and hailed as rescuing the club.This manifested itself in a significant increase in attendances and season ticket sales.This was accompanied with an increase in the sales of merchandise.In conjunction with player sales and a decent cup run the club has generated a significant increase in income.
Let me remind the board the core function of their enterprise is to deliver entertaining football,well you failing at delivering your core function.If you take for granted the goodwill that has been shown to you. will evaporate. Fine words in the Guardian butter no parsnips,you need to invest in good quality players if you wish this project to succeed.

I'm sure PH would be delighted if you called him and offered him your pearls of wisdom.

Quoted from Wedidntdidwe

Holy shot! Here's me thinking we got promoted last season but sounds like it didn't happen on here. Our extended season meant all LGE 2 clubs had a month head start on signing players before us. Now we're in January, it's never a great window but as long as we can improve our squad I'll be happy.
O' niell looks an upgrade on people and Simmonds, so so far so good.
We seem to have fans who just ignore the realities of signing players, are highly critical but offer no proof or alternative options.
I'd rather put my faith in a manager who's built 2 squads that have got us promoted than a bunch of miserable "supporters" who will never be happy and know sodomist all about our transfer dealings but pretend to.

Agreed, very good post.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Depends on what your definition of betterment is.We can have a healthy balance sheet,but is that fulfilling the function of a football club,it's not all about the bottom line.

To put that another way (sorry, I've got sick in my mouth saying this) Fenty kept a healthy balance sheet pretty much though his whole tenure but failed to invest into the "business" and 1878 have admitted they hadn't appreciated just how much was needed pumping in to sort the sh!t show left behind by JSF.
So without sorting out that out first, there was every chance we'd be a backwaters club with crap training facilities, a ground falling apart at the seams and absolutely no investment opportunities.
The budget for the squad will have been set at the beginning of the season, and I doubt that will have changed regardless of the extra income we have received over and above season ticket sales.
So in this window I'm not expecting any 'marquee' signings but what I will say is that I'm expecting a much improved budget for the 2023/2024 season and real showing of intent to challenge for the play offs.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

To put that another way (sorry, I've got sick in my mouth saying this) Fenty kept a healthy balance sheet pretty much though his whole tenure but failed to invest into the "business" and 1878 have admitted they hadn't appreciated just how much was needed pumping in to sort the sh!t show left behind by JSF.
So without sorting out that out first, there was every chance we'd be a backwaters club with crap training facilities, a ground falling apart at the seams and absolutely no investment opportunities.
The budget for the squad will have been set at the beginning of the season, and I doubt that will have changed regardless of the extra income we have received over and above season ticket sales.
So in this window I'm not expecting any 'marquee' signings but what I will say is that I'm expecting a much improved budget for the 2023/2024 season and real showing of intent to challenge for the play offs.

I agree with all of that, but doesn't that point to a bigger issue, that we aren't capable of being financially stable and successful at this level? At least not with what we currently have.

Fenty invested minimal into everything and we just about broke even. That means if more was invested in other things then less would have been spent on the playing squad. And I don't think anybody on here would consider the last 20 years as a success.

So how do we stay self sufficient and have football success?

Quoted from friskneymariner

Depends on what your definition of betterment is.We can have a healthy balance sheet,but is that fulfilling the function of a football club,it's not all about the bottom line.

I agree and if you understood what JS & AP are all about you wouldn’t even default to taking about balance sheets and bottom lines, in fact in terms of 1878 you’re way off the mark. .

A board acts as an enabler for the stake holders and manager, they are not solely responsible for the entertainment on the pitch, that’s the managers job and if you think a manager tells his team to go out and entertain ahead of go out and win it just doesn’t happen that way.

Social media is also a modern day enabler as it enables people to have a pop at others, when we where relegated in the mid 70’s did you hold Paddy Hamilton, Peter Sheffield, Richard Middleton etc.. accountable for the lack of entertainment, I doubt it.

I do think to a degree 1878 will want a balance sheet with cash at the bank and positive reserves as that signals to other investors that it would be worth them partnering in and being part of it and at the very least their investment won’t go into the pockets of greedy creditors and their investment could be used for capex and infrastructure as well as boosting the transfer budget.

Also generally money sits on the balance sheet before it’s moved across into a budget for a financial period so having a strong one will help when the manager needs more funds.

Quoted from pen penfras

I agree with all of that, but doesn't that point to a bigger issue, that we aren't capable of being financially stable and successful at this level? At least not with what we currently have.

Fenty invested minimal into everything and we just about broke even. That means if more was invested in other things then less would have been spent on the playing squad. And I don't think anybody on here would consider the last 20 years as a success.

So how do we stay self sufficient and have football success?

By making the club as a 'business' more investable, something Fenty never did, local businesses wanted nothing to do with GTFC, bar Youngs, who probably paid peanuts to be the official club sponsor.
We ain't going to become an overnight success story, that is for sure, but I can almost guarantee we'll be worth a darn site more than the 975k 1878 paid for what was a ramshackle football club in 10 years time.

Quoted from pen penfras

I agree with all of that, but doesn't that point to a bigger issue, that we aren't capable of being financially stable and successful at this level? At least not with what we currently have.

Fenty invested minimal into everything and we just about broke even. That means if more was invested in other things then less would have been spent on the playing squad. And I don't think anybody on here would consider the last 20 years as a success.

So how do we stay self sufficient and have football success?

With careful and planned recruitment. Identifying players that can be acquired within our means and can be improved to a standard that makes them a regular in the team and good enough to play at the level we operate at.

Then hopefully, every now and again, one or two of them improve to a degree that bigger clubs come calling and pay a fee for them. McAtee and Pollock for instance.

Doing this is a long term approach and needs the backroom staff and facilities we have previously lacked. Problem being that this takes time and fans are generally an impatient bunch who think we should just skip this step and lob a load of money at a ready made replacement.

Seems to me that the board are taking the long term, sustainable view, whereas the fans are becoming restless and want it now.

I'm cool with what they are doing, others not so much, but I figure we've waited this long to rise above mid table league 2, that I can wait s bit longer. After all, if you chuck money at a problem, it can go very wrong, very quickly. We've seen plenty of examples.

Hopefully, with more backroom staff, better training facilities and the new recruitment guy on board, we can start to move in the right direction.

Quoted from Norseman

Reading some of the comments about 1878 on here and Twitter .It does make you wonder why people invest time ,effort and funds into a football club .We are going through a dip in the league with 2 in 10 wins .But can anyone honestly say we have not had some success since they took over .No one expected us to even be in league 2 this quickly .So let's just pull together .I accept some may have concerns but let's put them aside and try to look forward positively .It will really make your life more enjoyable 😁