Vernam mentioned in his interview about rumours of approaching him ? Is that true ??

Quoted from Hurstomariner

Vernam mentioned in his interview about rumours of approaching him ? Is that true ??

Basically said he wants him but Vernam doesn’t want the move.

Quoted from Hurstomariner

Vernam mentioned in his interview about rumours of approaching him ? Is that true ??

Hurst said he’d asked but insinuated Chas told us us to do one.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Basically said he wants him but Vernam doesn’t want the move.

Typical Hurst, expect an announcement Monday then. 😂

Vernam was let down by the board in not extending his contract so why should he come back here to help us. ?

Quoted from grimsby pete

Vernam was let down by the board in not extending his contract so why should he come back here to help us. ?

Let down?

He’s on more money at Burton and got a signing on fee. If we’d invoked his additional year he’d have been stuck at Town on the same money.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Let down?

He’s on more money at Burton and got a singing on fee. If we’d invoked his additional year he’d have been stuck at Town on the same money.

sodomist me he gets paid for singing as well?

If the club wasn't run by such flipping idiots he would still be here. How hard is it to trigger a contractual extension?

flipping amateurs.

We should try implementing something singing on fees.  Will save a fortune compared to paying signing on fees.  If we pay any.

The only small bit of humour today.  

Why the fook would he come back ??!!

I bet he’ll go to Scunny on Monday.

As Ron said above , if the club hadn’t been run by a cretin he wouldn’t have left .

As Ron said above , if the club hadn’t been run by a cretin he wouldn’t have left .

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

We should try implementing something singing on fees.  Will save a fortune compared to paying signing on fees.  If we pay any.

The only small bit of humour today.  

Karaoke night to help with team bonding. Sounds like something Horroway would come up with during lockdown.

The club took advice on Vernams contract extension from the EFL and they gave Town and because of that we lost Vernam

Quoted from MrFisherman

The club took advice on Vernams contract extension from the EFL and they gave Town and because of that we lost Vernam

They should’ve just extended his contract. In what circumstance would we have not needed a player like that?

Completely ridiculous gamble and the fact that we haven’t seen a legal case suggests the EFL story was bullshit. More likely the story that we offered him less money was true.

Why would he come back here to play conference football next year

We really need someone like Vernam.   He takes responsibility and runs at the defence. Nobody is doing that at the moment.

Remember this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhs-yiyPyDg

Quoted from MrFisherman

The club took advice on Vernams contract extension from the EFL and they gave Town and because of that we lost Vernam was the excuse we used to the fans to save some money.

Quoted from RonMariner

If the club wasn't run by such flipping idiots he would still be here. How hard is it to trigger a contractual extension?

flipping amateurs.

Sorry but the vast majority of the fishy praised this decision at the time

Quoted from MrFisherman

The club took advice on Vernams contract extension from the EFL and they gave Town and because of that we lost Vernam

But what did "advice on his contract" actually mean? It's the first time that I've heard that a club asks the people who run the league about a players contract. The FA possibly, the PFA maybe, the lawyers definitely but the EFL? I'm not sure why unless the question was "how likely is it that this season will actually start"? As many of us suspect Runaway, Fenty and Day didn't expect this season to go ahead so they thought we can off load Chas with minimal immediate impact.    

Quoted from MrFisherman

The club took advice on Vernams contract extension from the EFL and they gave Town and because of that we lost Vernam

But that is the problem isn't it?

They should not need to be taking "advice" also known as what is the least we can get away with?

He was a valued employee, employed to play and enjoy his football with us. He was playing well, would have been a real asset but we aren't bothered about building the club or looking after its assets, all we are bothered about is the bottom line.

The same people on here hammering the board for Vernam was at the time defending the club to let Vernam go, I remember when Phillip Day come on the radio to explain it many fans were saying how it is the totally the correct decision and how the club is dealing with Covid really well.

I never thought that, it was sheer incompetence, that and the Covid clauses and furloughing groundsman and being last to come back to pre season. absolute incompetence.

As I remember it most people were unhappy with the board about Vernams departure, yes there were a few saying blah blah let's be prudent, but far from the majority. Don't think anything has changed in relation to Vernam specifically.

Quoted from Davec

The same people on here hammering the board for Vernam was at the time defending the club to let Vernam go, I remember when Phillip Day come on the radio to explain it many fans were saying how it is the totally the correct decision and how the club is dealing with Covid really well.

I never thought that, it was sheer incompetence, that and the Covid clauses and furloughing groundsman and being last to come back to pre season. absolute incompetence.

Exactly this, it was perfectly obvious the club was sleepwalking into a disaster and fans widely praised Day for his decisions so he carried on making them.

Utterly frustrating seeing the same names now saying it was a bad idea, wish they’d said that in the summer instead of shouting everyone down.

Vernam can do one. Isn’t he a local lad? If things aren’t going great at Burton he should be desperate to get back here and help save us

Scunny fan

Quoted from psgmariner

Scunny fan

I think we all know where this ones going...

Scunny now irrelevant as they have broken clear of the relegation scrap.
We should hope they win every game v bottom half teams from now.

Well...with the club also claiming "they followed EFL guidance and advice " regards our Covid case handling ...for which we subsequently got fined for  , then I think it's safe to say that they have form when it comes to claiming the  EFL  advice was taken and should be taken with a pinch of salt.

It was, and always has been a purely financial decision. The EFL probably advised us that a contract is a contract and if the season was halted it would still stand as a contract to which we do know the club then inserted covid clauses which meant that any  contract to Vernam was a lesser offer thus failing to trigger the extension clause.
He therefore felt aggrieved enough to leave, bag himself a club higher up the pyramid, on a longer contract and probably on more cash.
It was always a gamble inserting those clauses and we know that our board very much hedge their bets when it comes to finances so they gambled on spending less in the hope the season wouldnt go through.  So far.....it looks like a losing gambit.

I think it's fair to say that a lot, if not the majority, of people favoured the clubs prudent approach to contracts in the summer, because we were fed the drivel from Day.  Now rightly or wrongly we (I include myself in that cohort) scoffed it up believing that the club were doing the right thing.

As time went on it became apparent that the club weren't just taken a prudent approach, they were taking a cheapskate approach.  We now know that Vernam was offered reduced terms, we now know that players were told they should look for second employment, we now know that despite standing there with the begging bowl to fans the board members put absolutely jack excrement into the club over the summer, we now know that the club thought it was ok to furlough the groundsman, we now know that the club felt furloughing your assistant manager wasn't going to end in disaster, we now know that their rationale of not putting money in as they offer specialist services is worthless  (yes Mr. Day, you!), we now know that the board allowed a mass recruitment of players not up to standard with a scattergun approach that was destined for disaster.  

If Day/Fenty took the advice of the EFL, why are we the only club in the whole league who appeared to have done so?  Did our chairman not speak to other chairman to gauge what was happening elsewhere?  Did he not have the foresight to pick up a newspaper and see no-one else was doing such.

Can't for a second imagine Vernam would want to come back here.  It's not about his locality.  It's about our position in the table.  He's a very good player and it surprised me that he ended up somewhere like Burton.  With absolute no disrespect I expected him to end up at a bigger club.  I imagine a lot of clubs will still have him on their radar.  That said, Hurst rarely even acknowledges a name unless there's something in it.

Signs for Bradford for a fee.

It's really unforgiveable that our tight arsed board let him go for free to a team who then managed to get a fee for him 6 months later.

Quoted from pontoonlew

Signs for Bradford for a fee.

It's really unforgiveable that our tight arsed board let him go for free to a team who then managed to get a fee for him 6 months later.

He should’ve been the first contract signed especially as we only needed to trigger his extension. Worst contract intercourse up since Danny Butterfield.

Reading between the lines and based on journalist rumours, looks to me that he was keen on a loan spell here, but Bradford came in with a permanent deal. He’d be daft to sign an 18 month contract with a club that could be out if the league in May.

I think my comments at the time he was allowed to leave were “FFS”.

Another sad chapter in the book of GTFC intercourse ups.

The way this club has been run for the last few years is a disgrace. Coco the Clown would have made a better job.

Can not understand why people want him back...

He played 62 times (inc Loan spell) and scored 10 goals, but if you take the 4 goals in the 7 games he played after return from loan at Chorley his stats are....

Played 55 scored 6 goals.


I think a lot just remember the last 7 games and that 'wonder' goal. not done much at Burton and can not see him getting a regular start at Bradford.

Lousy illegitimate

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Can not understand why people want him back...

He played 62 times (inc Loan spell) and scored 10 goals, but if you take the 4 goals in the 7 games he played after return from loan at Chorley his stats are....

Played 55 scored 6 goals.


I think a lot just remember the last 7 games and that 'wonder' goal. not done much at Burton and can not see him getting a regular start at Bradford.

He did seem a different player when he came back from the loan spell. I guess we thought we would see more of that had he stayed.

Quoted from 140381

Reading between the lines and based on journalist rumours, looks to me that he was keen on a loan spell here, but Bradford came in with a permanent deal. He’d be daft to sign an 18 month contract with a club that could be out if the league in May.

Phil said money wasn't a problem. Obviously Bradford have more and a contract to offer.

You have to question why after only half a season Burton, who are deep sh!t themselves, have sold him?...
On his day he was almost unplayable, but we all said the same, he drifted in and out of games far too often.
Think as fans we were annoyed in the manner of his departure rather than Charles Vernham leaving the club per se.

Quoted from 140381

I think my comments at the time he was allowed to leave were “FFS”.

I think others were something like 'oh thank you so much for saving us Phil, you're so honest!'

To be honest prior to his Chorley move and subsequent successful return I was of the opinion that CV was one of thos technically gifted players who just don’t push on and have a professional career.

However, in those return games he was far more involved and scored some quality goals, the other thing he provides are width and pace which means he has to be closely monitored by opposing defenders for the full 90 minutes which leaves more space for other forwards. Thus would have been happy if he returned but as that’s not happening Rodman coming back would be more than welcome.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Can not understand why people want him back...

He played 62 times (inc Loan spell) and scored 10 goals, but if you take the 4 goals in the 7 games he played after return from loan at Chorley his stats are....

Played 55 scored 6 goals.


I think a lot just remember the last 7 games and that 'wonder' goal. not done much at Burton and can not see him getting a regular start at Bradford.

I know the point you're making, but you can't just not count the games where he was looking like he was a class above. Maybe the stats would look different (more positive) if you only counted appearances when he started?

Stats can be used to form opinions but its dangerous to ONLY use stats to form an opinion. Vernam is capable of being class at this level. Anyone using the stats to try and say otherwise is just ignoring what they've witnessed with their own eyes surely?

CV did some decent stuff for us following his loan out.

Technically decent, we’ve seen that. Athletically good too.

Let’s not pretend we wouldn’t want him here for the relegation fight. We would. Well I would

Great signing for Bradford City, so that’s that.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

CV did some decent stuff for us following his loan out.

Technically decent, we’ve seen that. Athletically good too.

Let’s not pretend we wouldn’t want him here for the relegation fight. We would. Well I would

Great signing for Bradford City, so that’s that.

And if it wasn't for you Phil we would've had him

Really fecking annoyed by this I must admit.

Quoted from ginnywings

Really fecking annoyed by this I must admit.

Yup. flipping annoying.

My main memory of CV was an away game at Crewe. JJ Hooper was playing down the left and worked his knackers off tracking back against Crewe’s right back. JJ was subbed around 65 mins (from memory) & Vernam switched to the left wing as part of the reorganisation.

About 5 or so minutes later the Crewe right-back knocked in the opening goal at the far post with CV stood about 20 yards behind him watching having failed to track his run.

I think we then lost the game 2-0 chasing the game.

He had his purple patch under IH, but that doesn’t excuse the 2 years of nothingness that preceded it.

Bet his agent is buzzing , two moves in 6 months ....kerching !

he was a good player My 10 year old daughter still mentions that night at Colchester last season and CV Hatrick will stick in her memory always  ;D ;D

Like many half decent players that have come and gone from our club since she has been supporting Town she asks where are certain players that have shown real promise Ive had to say OH he's left Grimsby. Why ? Its simple penny pinching time and time again

In the old days they went to big ones Villa Everton  er not Burton

scrooge is alive and well and and not just for xmas at our club anyway  ??)

he was a good player My 10 year old daughter still mentions that night at Colchester last season and CV Hatrick will stick in her memory always  ;D ;D

Like many half decent players that have come and gone from our club since she has been supporting Town she asks where are certain players that have shown real promise Ive had to say OH he's left Grimsby. Why ? Its simple penny pinching time and time again

In the old days they went to big ones Villa Everton  er not Burton

scrooge is alive and well and and not just for xmas at our club anyway  ??)

Quoted from Eastendmariner

In the old days they went to big ones Villa Everton  er not Burton

Not to mention the three good players we lost to the mighty Hartlepool.

What a flipping shambles.

Quoted from ginnywings

Really fecking annoyed by this I must admit.

Same, just another example of our current Board's and former managers ineptitude.

But what made me even more p1ssed off was this...

https://twitter.com/mattiepollock4/status/1356270880263909383?s=21

I’m glad Pollock is pleased for him ........ FFS🤦‍♂️

Quoted from MrFisherman

The club took advice on Vernams contract extension from the EFL and they gave Town and because of that we lost Vernam

Yeah yeah yeah. Yadder yadder yadder.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Same, just another example of our current Board's and former managers ineptitude.

But what made me even more p1ssed off was this...

https://twitter.com/mattiepollock4/status/1356270880263909383?s=21

I’m glad Pollock is pleased for him ........ FFS🤦‍♂️

He's congratulating his mate on getting a new job?  :-/

Quoted from Abdul19

He's congratulating his mate on getting a new job?  :-/

Apparently you're not allowed to be mates with people after they quit the same workplace as you.  ;D

This idea that the players need to act like fans of the club is just funny, A lot of people who play for us grew up in different places and support different teams. They don't switch to supporters with blind loyalty to whoever they play for. As long as they give their best while they play for us just be happy for them if they choose to move on for a better deal.

He is quick but even in his purple patch here he was out of the game for long spells. Doesn’t matter if you suddenly get a worldly but I don’t think Hurst would feel that sort of player was worth paying biggish money for. He likes workers and the side needs workers now more than ever, so no great loss to Town.

Vernam is bucking that trend where ex-players or players out the squad get better the longer since they last played for us.

Vernam was superb from December to March.  Prior to that he rarely had a regular run in the team, he struggled with injuries and when he did get game time he kept picking up niggles left, right and centre. His injury record was one of the reasons Derby released him.

The loan spell at Chorley did him the world of good, be it a confidence boost or a kick up the backside, but it worked.  Credit to Limbrick who brought him back into the fold and worked with that renewed energy to make him a key part of the team.  The pre-Christmas derby against Scunthorpe was when I personally felt we saw the player Vernam could be.  Having previously just drifted in and out of games, he was ready to take the game by the scruff of the neck and played with the heart of a lion.  

Holloway capitalised on that and focused a lot of our play around him.   As his form improved, so did the attention and with that teams were doubling and even trebling up on him.  That allowed others to flourish in the space created.

As the team began to grow and the introduction of the likes of Benson and Clarke amongst others, Vernam found space again and ripped teams apart.  Ironically it was the Bradford away game where he was just unplayable, the second half in front of the Town fans down that left flank he was on another planet to everyone else on the pitch.  Two, three, sometimes four men on him and he just kept ghosting past them.  

Let's not pretend he was an average player with a purple patch in him.  He is a very, very good player who we took 18 months to get the best out of, mainly because we had a manager in Jolley who was incredibly defensive minded in his approach but no doubt because we've got the sports science set-up of a 1930's side.

Bradford have made a fine signing.  One I'm envious of.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Vernam is bucking that trend where ex-players or players out the squad get better the longer since they last played for us.

Vernam was superb from December to March.  Prior to that he rarely had a regular run in the team, he struggled with injuries and when he did get game time he kept picking up niggles left, right and centre. His injury record was one of the reasons Derby released him.

The loan spell at Chorley did him the world of good, be it a confidence boost or a kick up the backside, but it worked.  Credit to Limbrick who brought him back into the fold and worked with that renewed energy to make him a key part of the team.  The pre-Christmas derby against Scunthorpe was when I personally felt we saw the player Vernam could be.  Having previously just drifted in and out of games, he was ready to take the game by the scruff of the neck and played with the heart of a lion.  

Holloway capitalised on that and focused a lot of our play around him.   As his form improved, so did the attention and with that teams were doubling and even trebling up on him.  That allowed others to flourish in the space created.

As the team began to grow and the introduction of the likes of Benson and Clarke amongst others, Vernam found space again and ripped teams apart.  Ironically it was the Bradford away game where he was just unplayable, the second half in front of the Town fans down that left flank he was on another planet to everyone else on the pitch.  Two, three, sometimes four men on him and he just kept ghosting past them.  

Let's not pretend he was an average player with a purple patch in him.  He is a very, very good player who we took 18 months to get the best out of, mainly because we had a manager in Jolley who was incredibly defensive minded in his approach but no doubt because we've got the sports science set-up of a 1930's side.

Bradford have made a fine signing.  One I'm envious of.

It’s opinion, I know, but I would be wondering why Burton let him away if he is that good and why somebody like Peterborough for instance has not been in for him before now.  I don’t doubt he has ability and was unlucky with injuries and Jolley as manager but there has to be more to it.

True, always all about opinions.

Vernam was signed by Jaxe Buxton who was sacked just before the New Year.  Jimmy Flloyd Hasseilbaink has come in to a side who are rock bottom of League One, signed nine new players and a return to a more pragmatic style of play.  The grab a lead and defend the 1-0 isn't something that's going to suit someone like Vernam.

Early reports from Burton were that he was their best player and had hit the ground running before a niggling injury ruled him out for a bit.  

I think there's always going to be an element of him that is susceptible to injuries and niggles.  But I personally wouldn't judge Vernam on his time at Burton.  We've had plenty of players come through the door this season into a poor side, made little impression and then secured a move to a higher level.  There's also the element that League One is a higher standard than ours.  Vernam wouldn't be the first player to excel at this level but fail to make the step up in League One.  

Quoted from diehardmariner

True, always all about opinions.

Vernam was signed by Jaxe Buxton who was sacked just before the New Year.  Jimmy Flloyd Hasseilbaink has come in to a side who are rock bottom of League One, signed nine new players and a return to a more pragmatic style of play.  The grab a lead and defend the 1-0 isn't something that's going to suit someone like Vernam.

Early reports from Burton were that he was their best player and had hit the ground running before a niggling injury ruled him out for a bit.  

I think there's always going to be an element of him that is susceptible to injuries and niggles.  But I personally wouldn't judge Vernam on his time at Burton.  We've had plenty of players come through the door this season into a poor side, made little impression and then secured a move to a higher level.  There's also the element that League One is a higher standard than ours.  Vernam wouldn't be the first player to excel at this level but fail to make the step up in League One.  

I agree with most of what you said, but the ironic thing is that a team cannot just defend a lead, they need an outlet, and someone with pace to take the pressure off and launch counter attacks, which he would be ideal for!

I know he had a good short spell with us but I’m not unduly upset by him going to Bradford. I think his purple patch with us is long over hence him not pulling up any trees at Burton. Wouldn’t surprise me all all if he didn’t kick on at Bradford.....Not jealous in the slightest.....😂

Quoted from Posh Harry

I agree with most of what you said, but the ironic thing is that a team cannot just defend a lead, they need an outlet, and someone with pace to take the pressure off and launch counter attacks, which he would be ideal for!

Oh I completely agree.  I always think having someone who opposition fear is the best form of defence - less likely to commit men forward knowing there's someone capable of taking full advantage on the counter.

I just don't think he would fit in with how Hasselbaink sets his sides up.

Scored now!