Quest tv saying season could be abandoned
Accrington have six games in hand now.

The league rolling out testing from Monday so expecting more positive tests

It worries me that we are now in the relegation zone, how would it work if the season was abandoned?

Quoted from promotion plaice

It worries me that we are now in the relegation zone, how would it work if the season was abandoned?

League positions would then be decided  by the greatest number of Chairman's statements released in a single day.

Surely you can not relegate any team if you have not even played half the season.

Aren’t the PL working off the season being decided by PPG on 75% of games played and void before that or something? Makes sense.

If you look at the leagues below L2 the situation is even worse with loads of outstanding matches so I cannot for the life of me see how any relegation and promotion can take place should the season be abandoned.

They also said on Quest the championship will always play to a close, as we know the Premiership will do, so if those 2 leagues play to finish and leagues 1 and below doesn't, how do they sort out relegation and promotion? If the premiership and championship play to a finish then there will need to be relegation and promotion in those leagues which means a knock on effect.

No way teams can be relegated in a season that ends this early.  Just won’t happen there’s half a season left.

Quoted from Davec

They also said on Quest the championship will always play to a close, as we know the Premiership will do, so if those 2 leagues play to finish and leagues 1 and below doesn't, how do they sort out relegation and promotion? If the premiership and championship play to a finish then there will need to be relegation and promotion in those leagues which means a knock on effect.

Relegation from Premier to Championship & promotion from Championship to Premier. But no relegation from Championship. League 1 & 2 stay as is, ditto all below?.

I'll take it lol

our only hope is if the conference doesn’t complete so no promotion

I’m pretty sure that EFL clubs voted at the start of the season for a PPG finish in the event that the season were curtailed. So we would arrive at an outcome one way or another.

Quoted from davmariner

I’m pretty sure that EFL clubs voted at the start of the season for a PPG finish in the event that the season were curtailed. So we would arrive at an outcome one way or another.

Well whoever voted for that needs their heads testing. To decide promotion and relegation with only half a season gone would quite frankly be bonkers.

Quoted from Stockport Mariner

Well whoever voted for that needs their heads testing. To decide promotion and relegation with only half a season gone would quite frankly be bonkers.

Stockport Mariner meet the Football League, the Football League meet Stockport Mariner

...especially with a vaccine on the horizon.

Quoted from LH

Stockport Mariner meet the Football League, the Football League meet Stockport Mariner

Hahaha! Good point!

If we get relegated because of PPG, we would possibly be the only team relegated by the decisions of a previous board and would absolutely be fooking typical of GTFC. Massacre the squad because of covid, and get relegated because of covid curtailing the season. It would be the final ignominy of JF's tenure.

Even worse is if we get pipped by Stevenage, who were saved from relegation by covid last season.

Quoted from ginnywings

If we get relegated because of PPG, we would possibly be the only team relegated by the decisions of a previous board and would absolutely be fooking typical of GTFC. Massacre the squad because of covid, and get relegated because of covid curtailing the season. It would be the final ignominy of JF's tenure.

Even worse is if we get pipped by Stevenage, who were saved from relegation by covid last season.

that scenario is just so belieevable; if there's a way to fook things up town will be involved or responsible

of course if it does happen it'll probably be our fault!

Quoted from Shipwrecked In Gainsborough

League positions would then be decided  by the greatest number of Chairman's statements released in a single day.

Get in.....champione champione ole ole ole

fenty and day should of envisaged this maybe got some good loan players on get some points on the board early
As usual nothing

If the Season was to be curtailed and a PPG calculated, Town are down!

Its ironic really, last season the Stevenage forum was no no no, points per game is so unfair, we have to finish the season or abandon it. Can't be bothered to look this morning but I suspect they might be rethinking.
Its the LoF, the legacy of fenty

To be fair I’d expect he league clubs to vote to keep us if it ever came to a vote as we provide a lot of revenue with our travelling fans.
Would another Harrogate for example add any value to this league ?

The more one thinks about it, furloughing the groundsman, Covid contracts, the constant negative rhetoric the more one believes the club never wanted the season to start.

Under the previous regime I think, even if it meant getting relegated, they’d have been happy to see the season curtailed. I’m not sure why but everything seems to have been set up that way.

It won’t be popular but regardless of the so called cases rising and the like, continually cancelling or suspending things can’t continue forever. Surely at some point a decision has to be made to just push on through.

Granted, I’m fuming about the situation my school has been placed in, not so much the opening but the wider issue of mass testing, pressure on staff and pupils and so forth which may be clouding my judgement but it’s something we’ve got to think about.

If the season curtailed and PPG algorithm is used then we’re copulated and the only people responsible for that are the previous regime, Holloway and the players to some extent. Of course Holloway and Fenty et al will and would never admit that, there is zero accountability or responsibility from them for the mess but only they could be blamed.

Hurst is now facing his biggest challenge of his career and he’s well aware of that. I do believe he has the ability to alter things but equally, having Hurst in the conference isn’t a worry, he’s got the experience and perhaps it would provide him the chance for a relatively big clear out...

Quoted from aldi_01

The more one thinks about it, furloughing the groundsman, Covid contracts, the constant negative rhetoric the more one believes the club never wanted the season to start.

Under the previous regime I think, even if it meant getting relegated, they’d have been happy to see the season curtailed. I’m not sure why but everything seems to have been set up that way.

It won’t be popular but regardless of the so called cases rising and the like, continually cancelling or suspending things can’t continue forever. Surely at some point a decision has to be made to just push on through.

Granted, I’m fuming about the situation my school has been placed in, not so much the opening but the wider issue of mass testing, pressure on staff and pupils and so forth which may be clouding my judgement but it’s something we’ve got to think about.

If the season curtailed and PPG algorithm is used then we’re copulated and the only people responsible for that are the previous regime, Holloway and the players to some extent. Of course Holloway and Fenty et al will and would never admit that, there is zero accountability or responsibility from them for the mess but only they could be blamed.

Hurst is now facing his biggest challenge of his career and he’s well aware of that. I do believe he has the ability to alter things but equally, having Hurst in the conference isn’t a worry, he’s got the experience and perhaps it would provide him the chance for a relatively big clear out...

I think it is entirely possible that Hurst and Doig may have clauses in their contracts that state if we do get relegated then both can walk away if they want to.

Quoted from Davec

I think it is entirely possible that Hurst and Doig may have clauses in their contracts that state if we do get relegated then both can walk away if they want to.

I’d imagine so, that’s generally pretty standard, much like players having wage reductions dependent on relegation.

Fenty should have a relegation clause on his payoff the state he has run the club down during his watch...

Quoted from TwoLeftFeet

Fenty should have a relegation clause on his payoff the state he has run the club down during his watch...

No relegation no payment of loans would do me! But that's what the consortium offered first which was rejected and Phillip Day said on the radio if we get relegated it is the consortiums fault

We need Barrow to lose their next game, and for us to get a draw. Which would keep us out of the bottom two based on PPG (just).

When will season tickets for 2021/2012 be on sale?

Quoted from cannylad68

When will season tickets for 2021/2012 be on sale?

Have you been looking into Les's crystal ball   :)

Sorry 2021/2022.

Quoted from cannylad68

When will season tickets for 2021/2012 be on sale?

Depends how busy they are at the printers.  ;)

Would the consortium still want to buy if we are relegated to non league, seems we will be stuck with JSF for a few more years yet

Exeter have only played 19 games! Would be crazy to go PPG at this stage but they does show how big the next 5 games are if that did happen.

Quoted from Garth

Would the consortium still want to buy if we are relegated to non league, seems we will be stuck with JSF for a few more years yet

on the flipside, this is an added incentive for the seller to get the deal over the line as quickly as possible!

Don’t recall seeing anything saying PPG already been agreed and have searched for any reference to it, still couldn’t find.

I think if you decided a season after 20 or so games on PPG you would find a long protracted legal battle by several clubs in both leagues.

surely alot depends on whether the conference can complete their season ,and what they decide to do?
dover have only played 10 games so far, and the vast majority have played less than third of the season

Lets look at it at this way, we’ve got to start winning games

Fenty is not out of the woods yet.!!
If the season is stopped with stricter covid restrictions next week and we go down on PPG. could the consortium pull out or offer a vastly lower price I would.

Isn’t there no scope for extending the season because of the rescheduling of the euros.

Very worried at the moment a relegation and fenty still in charge could see us fold.

The consortium know what they are taking on. They originally put a relegation clause in the deal, so they know it's a distinct possibility. They will still take over regardless, unless JF has a change of heart, and I can't see it myself.

I also don't think that PPG would come into the equation just yet as there hasn't been enough games played for it to be fair.

If the unthinkable happens and we do somehow end up in the National League, it will be a tragedy, but we would just have to get on with it and try to get straight back out again.

There are a lot of things that can happen with the rest of the season, so best just see what transpires. What will be will be.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/12/30/premier-league-curtailment-options-require-least-66-per-cent/

Premier League curtailment options require at least 25 games played - or risk null and void

Clubs are still between nine and 11 matches short of the threshold as the league's covid chaos worsens
By Jason Burt, Chief Football Correspondent 30 December 2020 • 4:49pm

Premier League clubs will need to play at least 25 games to avoid the season being declared null and void in the event of it being abandoned.

Clubs have been given two options to consider should the campaign be curtailed because of the pandemic, with a minimum of either 66 per cent or 75 per cent of fixtures having to be played to validate the season. That represents 25 and 29 matches respectively.

The Premier League and English Football League will be desperate – as they were last season – to avoid declaring the season void if all the scheduled games cannot be played, partly because of the huge financial rebates that would otherwise be due to the television companies. Indeed the Premier League requested that clubs stopped using the phrase ‘null and void’ in talks or public statements.

There is no suggestion whatsoever that curtailment is being discussed or will be considered, but the spread of the virus is beginning to cause concern as to how the fixtures will be completed if postponements continue.

The Premier League must vote on whether to adopt a mechanism, with 14 clubs needing to back a proposal for it to be adopted. It was hoped clubs would decide when a paper was prepared for them by the Curtailment Working Group at the start of this campaign.

The clubs chose to put off the vote, but the Premier League’s preferred method still stands. It wants clubs to decide on whether completing 66 per cent or 75 per cent of fixtures – a difference of four rounds of matches - is enough for the season to stand.

At present 11 clubs have played 16 games, six have played 15 and three have played 14. Clubs have agreed that final placings will be decided on points-per-game if the season is abandoned and an uneven number of games have been played.

But the threshold of how much of the season needs to be completed is yet to be agreed. It remains to be seen if it is on the agenda at the next shareholders’ meeting of the 20 clubs.

The problem with not deciding the mechanism before a ball was kicked was that – as was the case last season – self-interest could become an issue and make it even harder to find an agreement. The league is also, at present, incredibly tight with just 14 points separating 15 places.

Matters are complicated because the season is scheduled to end on May 23 and Uefa is insisting the delayed European Championships kick off on June 11.

Maybe Boris will get us our of jail? He's a fan after all  :P

Quoted from GrimRob

Maybe Boris will get us our of jail? He's a fan after all  :P

Don't want to be saved by a man who has more u turns than a drainage system.

We don’t need to worry about relegation. Time is on our side, if we do go down, Hurst will only take 5 years to get us promoted. ;)

[quote=3547]Quest tv saying season could be abandoned
Accrington have six games in hand now.

The league rolling out testing from Monday so expecting more positive tests[/q

Are Quest TV running the EFL now?

If season is abandoned now there should be no promotion of relegation .

There should be at least 2 thirds of the games played which means 30/31 matches.

That  gives us 8/9 games to get safe.

Quoted from Mikey_345

Don’t recall seeing anything saying PPG already been agreed and have searched for any reference to it, still couldn’t find.

I think if you decided a season after 20 or so games on PPG you would find a long protracted legal battle by several clubs in both leagues.

Couldn’t agree more there is no evidence of any agreement in place and indeed I have seen an article that confirms this has yet to be discussed by the respective Administrative bodies in charge of the respective league structures. There is no way on earth leagues could be determined on the basis of game’s played to date and I would expect at least 66% of matches to be played before the use of any algorithm be allowed.

The consortium are buying the club in the knowledge of our league position hence they asked for the clause not to repay JF if we go out the league so don’t see that as a reason to pull out.

Quoted from Davec

I think it is entirely possible that Hurst and Doig may have clauses in their contracts that state if we do get relegated then both can walk away if they want to.

I think it’s more likely that they’ve been recruited as they know how to get us out of that league.

Feels like the media are once again listening to and disseminating the thoughts of a few vocal managers and administrators.

Professional football at all 4 levels have an obligation to do everything they can to keep the season going, they I’ve not heard every argument or read every viewpoint it feels like once again some clubs are going for a soft option.

In my mind if they curtail the season early at this point they’ve failed.

What they are saying is teams could have 8 games to catch up or more before May which makes it unfair on them playing 2 or even 3 games a week.

If the earlier post is correct then a minimum 30 games would need to be completed at L2 level for PPG to be valid.

Our next 5 games are all against teams that are struggling for form or at the bottom end of the table. We clearly need to do well in these games to get us away from the drop zone because early termination has to be a distinct possibility.

Its clearly imperative that we bring in half a dozen new player to get us out of this mess.  

If, after 30 games we are still in the drop zone then the brutal truth is that we will deserve relegation.

Quoted from aldi_01

The more one thinks about it, furloughing the groundsman, Covid contracts, the constant negative rhetoric the more one believes the club never wanted the season to start.

Under the previous regime I think, even if it meant getting relegated, they’d have been happy to see the season curtailed. I’m not sure why but everything seems to have been set up that way.

It won’t be popular but regardless of the so called cases rising and the like, continually cancelling or suspending things can’t continue forever. Surely at some point a decision has to be made to just push on through.

Granted, I’m fuming about the situation my school has been placed in, not so much the opening but the wider issue of mass testing, pressure on staff and pupils and so forth which may be clouding my judgement but it’s something we’ve got to think about.

If the season curtailed and PPG algorithm is used then we’re copulated and the only people responsible for that are the previous regime, Holloway and the players to some extent. Of course Holloway and Fenty et al will and would never admit that, there is zero accountability or responsibility from them for the mess but only they could be blamed.

Hurst is now facing his biggest challenge of his career and he’s well aware of that. I do believe he has the ability to alter things but equally, having Hurst in the conference isn’t a worry, he’s got the experience and perhaps it would provide him the chance for a relatively big clear out...

The biggest challenge of his career? I'd suggest that transforming the trajectory of former UEFA Cup winners, FA Cup winners and top division stalwarts fallen on hard times was a bigger challenge.

This was always going to be a major risk.  A shortened season with greater chances of games getting called off due to the virus, especially once winter hit hard.

Added to this there's also the Euro's to follow in the summer as well, this could get really, really congested and messy.

Can't really see how the season can continue, we're going to be faced with situations where sides are having to play four games a week for a while just to get the season finished.  You always get one side who ends up playing catch-up due to cup runs etc. but already we're seeing a few sides looking at incredibly packed fixture lists.

Then of course there's simply the safety aspect of it.  At a time when our health services are beyond breaking point with the prospect of it getting worse, should we really be having large groups of 30+ people travelling several times a week to other parts of the country?

The first round of mandatory testing for all EFL clubs begin today. Given the number of postponements at the weekend without proactive testing in place, it's hard to envisage a scenario where there are significantly more games called off at the weekend.

Whether the EFL attempts to persevere in the hope that mandatory testing stems the spread, or whether that proves to be terminal, it's difficult to see things continuing into February as things stand.

I hope I'm wrong on that.

Hanson’s guaranteed to have it, if it gets him another week off. He’ll have the bubonic plague next.

I wasn't the only one on here who thought that a full League season was ambitious to the point of being naive. I can appreciate the reason for attempting it... Season Tickets prices based on 23 league matches etc...

I suggested on here, and I emailed the EFL, that L1 & L2 should have been split into North/South regions for 1 season only. Clubs would play the other 11 teams in their region twice (home & away) and the 12 teams in the opposite region once (6 at home & 6 away). That would have made a 34 league game season and would have been far more likely to be completed than attempting a full 46 match season with 5 less weeks in the season & far more games likely to be postponed than the usual amount caused by winter weather.

It was probably stupid to play the EFL Trophy early in the season. Those match days should probably have been used to prioritise League matches. The EFL Trophy could have been penciled in for midweeks starting in January with the option of cancelling the tournament for 1 season depending on the situation and fixture pile-up when we got to January.

The really big problem is that the Premier League will finish on time and the EFL has to stay aligned with them.

We are in the fortunate position that we have played all the games we should have by now. Lots of clubs aren't in that position and it will only get worse for everyone.

There are 24 match days left with the regular season due to finish on Saturday 8th May. Of those match days there are 17 Saturday fixtures, 2 Easter weekend games (Good Friday & Easter Monday & 5 Tuesday night matches.

I think a good idea would be for the final 3 of those Tuesday night matches in L1 & L2 (2nd March, 9th March & 20th April) to all rescheduled for Saturday 15th, 22nd & 29th May. That would leave every midweek in March, April & May available for rearranged matches and to catch-up with all the matches we are likely to lose in the next 6-7 weeks.

The play-offs could be shortened to one off Semi-Finals with home advantage for the 2 highest finishing teams (so 4th & 5th in League 2). That way the Play-off Semi Finals could possibly be played on Tuesday 1st June (L2) & Wednesday 2nd June (L1) and the Finals (not at Wembley due to Euro 2020) could take place on Saturday 5th June (L2) & Saturday 6th June (L1) so that they are done before the Euros start on Friday 11th June.

But if you think the EFL have problems look at the National League. Dover have only played 10 league matches (out of 44) and they played 7 of those in October. Their regular season is already planned to run to Saturday 29th May, but there's realistically no prospect whatsoever of them finishing the season.

The probably needs to be a discussion between the various stakeholders to determine what the EFL would constitute as an acceptable "Full" National League season so that promotion & relegation between the EFL & National League can take place. I'm all for there being a regular flow of clubs between "the 92" and "the pyramid", but I don't think you could justify 2 teams coming up from the National League if they only get around 25-30 of their matches in. Last season most teams had played 36 or 37 matches.

Don't be surprised if the EFL clubs don't vote that the EFL season (L1 & L2) has to be completed in full or the season will be voided. That way the EFL would be able to say to the National League that they have to set the same standard (i.e. Full completion of season by middle of June)

Record number of weekly positive covid tests in the Prem. Can't imagine it to be any better, and possibly worse, the lower down the leagues you go.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55540397