I see Boris is now the proud owner of a Grimsby Town shirt to go with his hat.

I wonder if the pair of local MP's cared to mention that football clubs could go to the wall shortly.

Yay, another racist to add to our ranks...

Cue another political debate   ??)

Well we’re owned by an incompetent Tory, figures we’d hand a shirt to one...hope some girl private paid for it, or are we both skint when handing stuff to mates?

Interested to know the opinions of the anti-kneel people who said football and politics should be seperate entities.

Never nice to see us being used by people who don’t give a sh1t about GTFC. That shirt means too much to too many people to be cheapened by a pathetic publicity stunt.

Quoted from Vance Warner

Never nice to see us being used by people who don’t give a sh1t about GTFC. That shirt means too much to too many people to be cheapened by a pathetic publicity stunt.

Why not? The precedent was set last year when Nigel Falange was allowed his meeting in Macmenemenemenemies.

In all seriousness it just shows the level of incompetence at the club to not fully understand the ramifications of such nonsense PR.

In truth, whoever this shirt was given to politically it would be a bad PR move and just goes to alienate sections of fans further.

It’s also naive for the club to think this is some sort of positive publicity...

Quoted from aldi_01

In all seriousness it just shows the level of incompetence at the club to not fully understand the ramifications of such nonsense PR.

In truth, whoever this shirt was given to politically it would be a bad PR move and just goes to alienate sections of fans further.

It’s also naive for the club to think this is some sort of positive publicity...

I would have no problem with Vickers or Nici posing in a shirt, after all they have been elected to represent the area. I object to the club I support being used for political campaigns and shameless photo opportunities. Hunting Boris down and posing for a photo showing off the shirt is just not acceptable. The thing is, I can't blame the club because it wouldn't surprise me if it was ordered online or in person by someone like Lia's husband, who isn't called Mr Nici...

Quoted from aldi_01

In all seriousness it just shows the level of incompetence at the club to not fully understand the ramifications of such nonsense PR.

In truth, whoever this shirt was given to politically it would be a bad PR move and just goes to alienate sections of fans further.

It’s also naive for the club to think this is some sort of positive publicity...

There are more Conservative than Labour voters in Grimsby now though so perhaps people don't mind as much as you think.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

There are more Conservative than Labour voters in Grimsby now though so perhaps people don't mind as much as you think.

You seem to have missed the point and by a large margin, so I will help you out.

Quoted from aldi_01

In truth, whoever this shirt was given to politically it would be a bad PR move and just goes to alienate sections of fans further.

Regardless of who has the majority it will alienate sections of fans. Not all fans, not the majority (it might be but we'll never know), just sections of fans and causing divisions isn't going to be a wise move.

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

You seem to have missed the point and by a large margin, so I will help you out.



Regardless of who has the majority it will alienate sections of fans. Not all fans, not the majority (it might be but we'll never know), just sections of fans and causing divisions isn't going to be a wise move.

Oh come off it! Had it been Sir Kier Starmer posing with a Town shirt some people on here would have been overjoyed!

The highest profile man in the country being pictured in a Town hat and photographed with a Town shirt is good news. It is only a bit of fun, you dont have to sign a Conservative membership card to watch the Mariners.

Quoted from LH

Interested to know the opinions of the anti-kneel people who said football and politics should be seperate entities.

they'll say this is different. muppets.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Oh come off it! Had it been Sir Kier Starmer posing with a Town shirt some people on here would have been overjoyed!

The highest profile man in the country being pictured in a Town hat and photographed with a Town shirt is good news. It is only a bit of fun, you dont have to sign a Conservative membership card to watch the Mariners.

It's not a bit of fun if you hate their guts.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Oh come off it! Had it been Sir Kier Starmer posing with a Town shirt some people on here would have been overjoyed!

The highest profile man in the country being pictured in a Town hat and photographed with a Town shirt is good news. It is only a bit of fun, you dont have to sign a Conservative membership card to watch the Mariners.

The exact same point made for the Boris the racist would apply to Starmer.

Politicians pretending to care about football clubs is always embarrassing regardless of their party. Remember Austin Mitchell jumping on the Wembley bandwagon and trying to make it about him. The Farage stunt shouldn’t have happened due to his divisive politics and I cancelled my Trust membership in the back of it. On this occasion I don’t think the club are to blame but the sight of Mr Johnson holding a town shirt whilst his incompetence threatens our entire existence is pretty shameless.

Quoted from gtfc98

It's not a bit of fun if you hate their guts.

I suppose you are right there. There have been celebrities and politicians photographed with club shirts for press releases and various promotions for donkeys years, some you might like but some you don't. The man is the Prime Minister of the UK after all. A bit sad that anybody hates somebody's guts but that is the nature of today's world I guess.

The point is - you either ban completely anybody posing with a football shirt or you accept some people will do it who you don't like/hate.

In my previous life I often posed with a Town shirt in the press, and apart from my ex wife, or indeed the present wife on occasions using it as darts practice,  I would be mortified if people thought it was out of order.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Oh come off it! Had it been Sir Kier Starmer posing with a Town shirt some people on here would have been overjoyed!

The highest profile man in the country being pictured in a Town hat and photographed with a Town shirt is good news. It is only a bit of fun, you dont have to sign a Conservative membership card to watch the Mariners.

Oh come off it you are so obsessed with 'lefties' I'm starting to think you are a closeted one. The club should be nowhere near politics. I'm honestly fed up of the stupid culture wars that are destroying this country and its people like you that are keeping them going. The club should not give any memorabilia to politicians and should distance themselves from any political association be that Johnson, Starmer or Lord Buckethead.

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

The exact same point made for the Boris the racist would apply to Starmer.

Not to some it wouldnt so where would you draw the line? How about we make a list of acceptable and non accceptable people that can be pictured with a Town shirt. We could start with serial killers at one end of the spectrum and nurses at the other and then you can fill in the blanks.

This photo is a response to the recent story of Boris in a Town hat; a simple photo opportunity with two Tory MP's who represent the area at Westminster.  

Town's mystery striker to be announced tomorrow   ;)

Quoted from promotion plaice

Town's mystery striker to be announced tomorrow   ;)

From what I've seen of Boris playing football, he's more of a tough tackling midfielder, especially if the opponent happens to be German.

Quoted from Bawmariner

Oh come off it you are so obsessed with 'lefties' I'm starting to think you are a closeted one. The club should be nowhere near politics. I'm honestly fed up of the stupid culture wars that are destroying this country and its people like you that are keeping them going. The club should not give any memorabilia to politicians and should distance themselves from any political association be that Johnson, Starmer or Lord Buckethead.

Would that extend to councillor Fenty?

You can't blank out the real world because you don't like it.

Seems to be a lot of left wingers on here, no wonder it’s vicious at times. They do say the left are the new fascists

Farage & now Boris the bluffer,building up quite a following.

Who's next??

Rodrigo Duterte? Kim Jong-Un? Donald Trump?

Quoted from Stadium

Farage & now Boris the bluffer.

Who's next??

Rodrigo Duterte? Kim Jong-Un? Donald Trump?

Publicity can be terrible. But only if you don't have any.
Jane Russell   ;)

Quoted from Stadium

Farage & now Boris the bluffer.

Who's next??

Rodrigo Duterte? Kim Jong-Un? Donald Trump?

At least trump would get the stadium built. Likes building does that man.

Quoted from monkeyboy

Seems to be a lot of left wingers on here, no wonder it’s vicious at times. They do say the left are the new fascists

How can left wingers be Fascists? Fascism is a right wing philosophy.

And who is the 'they' that says that? I have never seen that written or had it said to me. Was it the Daily Mail? The Express? Or a bunch of Gammons in the pub?

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Oh come off it! Had it been Sir Kier Starmer posing with a Town shirt some people on here would have been overjoyed!

The highest profile man in the country being pictured in a Town hat and photographed with a Town shirt is good news. It is only a bit of fun, you dont have to sign a Conservative membership card to watch the Mariners.

But surely if it was presented by Labour it would have been a lot worse??

Quoted from monkeyboy

Seems to be a lot of left wingers on here, no wonder it’s vicious at times. They do say the left are the new fascists

Only the stupid and easily led say anything like that .  
We have a divisive racist in charge of the country and I for one do not want the club I support associated with him. I am sure these MPs have been regulars at BP and think what they are doing is good publicity, they have however lost the club my ifollow Subs for a while.

Quoted from Bawmariner

Oh come off it you are so obsessed with 'lefties' I'm starting to think you are a closeted one. The club should be nowhere near politics. I'm honestly fed up of the stupid culture wars that are destroying this country and its people like you that are keeping them going. The club should not give any memorabilia to politicians and should distance themselves from any political association be that Johnson, Starmer or Lord Buckethead.

"I'm honestly fed up of the stupid culture wars that are destroying this country and it's people like you that are keeping them going" he said in a divisive manner. We should all shut the f*ck up and have your views.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

There are more Conservative than Labour voters in Grimsby now though so perhaps people don't mind as much as you think.

Doesn’t mean there are more Tory voters than all other voters. And Town have a large diaspora.

I’m glad I don’t live in Grimsby anymore. The place is falling to bits, an absolute dump & going backward (like much of the north & midlands) and the BEST thing the MP can dish up is using the club as a prop for a cheap photo op on the day the govt potentially killed it.

How little she must think of her constituents, to think all they want is a photo of the PM holding a town shirt. “Ah yeah, this’ll impress the saps back in Grimsby”, and she’s pocketing over £80,000 a year for it!

Have to say I'm more embarrassed by the fact that Jamie Clarke and Danny Boshell actually wore and played in our shirt than I am by Boris 'Charlatan' Johnson being pictured with one

Quoted from codcheeky

Only the stupid and easily led say anything like that .  
We have a divisive racist in charge of the country and I for one do not want the club I support associated with him. I am sure these MPs have been regulars at BP and think what they are doing is good publicity, they have however lost the club my ifollow Subs for a while.

Well if you are happy to stop supporting the club because someone gave the pm a shirt then that is stupid at its best. The club didn’t buy and present it did they fool.

Quoted from monkeyboy

Seems to be a lot of left wingers on here, no wonder it’s vicious at times. They do say the left are the new fascists

Fascists say the left and liberals are fascists. Like most fascist utterances it’s a lie.

Quoted from ska face

I’m glad I don’t live in Grimsby anymore. The place is falling to bits, an absolute dump & going backward (like much of the north & midlands) and the BEST thing the MP can dish up is using the club as a prop for a cheap photo op on the day the govt potentially killed it.

How little she must think of her constituents, to think all they want is a photo of the PM holding a town shirt. “Ah yeah, this’ll impress the saps back in Grimsby”, and she’s pocketing over £80,000 a year for it!

And it went to rack and ruin under several decades of labour rule did it not?

Quoted from Stadium

But surely if it was presented by Labour it would have been a lot worse??

True.

Quoted from monkeyboy

And it went to rack and ruin under several decades of labour rule did it not?

I must’ve imagined the last 10 years then. I’d never heard of food bank when I left at 19, now you can’t move for them.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Town's mystery striker to be announced tomorrow   ;)

Didn't know they made it in a 6XL

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

"I'm honestly fed up of the stupid culture wars that are destroying this country and it's people like you that are keeping them going" he said in a divisive manner. We should all shut the f*ck up and have your views.

I'm not sure how wanting the country to come together, accept brexit and start looking to the future is divisive.  I'm not saying have my views but the country is ripping itself to pieces arguing about every political decision. Have your political views by all means. Leave them out of Blundell Park though. Nothing good comes from our fan base being devided.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Would that extend to councillor Fenty?

You can't blank out the real world because you don't like it.

The club needs to deal with the political parties in power at both a local and national level. That's a given. It doesn't need to be used as a political tool. Politicians should be helping the club survive and develop, not using it for cheap political stunts. The club should ensure it distances itself from all political parties and clarify it does not support the use of club memorabilia or facilities for political stunts.

Town fans have a diversity of political opinions and beliefs just like any club.

I find this sort of propaganda Bunter with a Town shirt worthless.For years now we have been fed bland disconnected politics in this country. We have major social problems going back years while our MPS acquire free food, free travel, etc Now if this stunt if this stimulates  Boris saves the lower reaches of the EFL with a proper thought out rescue plan then may be mixing politics with sport may work.

What the Town needs is real investment. The Docks are a totally ignored left to crumble into the Dust That's a real issue, Not giving someone a Town shirt who couldn't care less about places outside the Westminster bubble.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

... it wouldn't surprise me if it was ordered online or in person by someone like Lia's husband, who isn't called Mr Nici...

No more Mr Nic-I  😉

Quoted from monkeyboy

And it went to rack and ruin under several decades of labour rule did it not?

Labour have been in government for 12 of the last 50 years. There has never been "decades" of Labour rule. In fact the only party to have ruled for decades (in modern times) are the Tories.

I could imagine the lying oaf playing as an entitled number 10, refusing to help his teammates with his inability to track anything

Worst holder of the number 10 shirt since Chris Llewellyn.

Football should, as much as possible, be apolitical. Unfortunately, our local MPs have misunderstood the mood a little, to do this on the day after football crowds were banned for the foreseeable future was probably not very wise. If the lack of crowds has a drastic impact on our future, this will not age well.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Oh come off it! Had it been Sir Kier Starmer posing with a Town shirt some people on here would have been overjoyed!

The highest profile man in the country being pictured in a Town hat and photographed with a Town shirt is good news. It is only a bit of fun, you dont have to sign a Conservative membership card to watch the Mariners.

We’ll have some people getting a petition up soon asking for cons corner to be renamed no doubt

I think calling Boris a racist by some on here is a bit strong. Yes he said things which were a bit below the belt in the past but I dont think that makes him a out and out racist.

As noted I think very few people in this world are out and out racists but granted some have more racism  than others.

Put it in perspective for one. Phycological research has shown a large percentage of people have some hidden racial bias in them.

Having said that I think the capacity for change for the better (and which is the stronger force) is within all of us .Not just with racism but other things like bullying etc. We just need to want to try to choose the right path.

Quoted from ska face

I’m glad I don’t live in Grimsby anymore. The place is falling to bits, an absolute dump & going backward (like much of the north & midlands) and the BEST thing the MP can dish up is using the club as a prop for a cheap photo op on the day the govt potentially killed it.

How little she must think of her constituents, to think all they want is a photo of the PM holding a town shirt. “Ah yeah, this’ll impress the saps back in Grimsby”, and she’s pocketing over £80,000 a year for it!

Grow up, she's simply trying to put the Town itself in the spotlight. It's her bloody job.

Quoted from Rick12

I think calling Boris a racist by some on here is a bit strong. Yes he said things which were a bit below the belt in the past but I dont think that makes him a out and out racist.

As noted I think very few people in this world are out and out racists but granted some have more racism  than others.

Put it in perspective for one. Phycological research has shown a large percentage of people have some hidden racial bias in them.

Having said that I think the capacity for change for the better (and which is the stronger force) is within all of us .Not just with racism but other things like bullying etc. We just need to want to try to choose the right path.

Absolute nonsense. My young kids haven’t got a racist bone in their body. They couldn’t care less about the skin colour of the people they play with. Make no mistake racism is learnt behaviour usually from parents. That makes it all the more tragic that it is still going on today.

As for Boris you can only judge someone by what they say and do so yes he’s a racist.

They did well to find out MPs...haven’t nor heard of them for the late 5 months...

But many seemed to have missed my original point; regardless of political persuasion, had this been Starmer I’d have equally been annoyed.

Whilst politics and football, contrary to what some think, do go hand in hand annoyingly, these sort of things aren’t helpful. It’s no more a publicity stunt that is to inflate the egos of no mark local MPs doing little for the town.

Someone mentioned celebrities; completely different. They make films or write songs etc. You don’t have to like them but they’re harmless on most respects (unless they were a 1970s BBC presenter) but politics is far too divisive so the simple response is that that club shouldn’t be allowing this sort of stuff to happen.

Just once again shows the nativity of the club. Mind you, I bet the non non chairman and his polyester jacket wearing mate spent all night pulling their hooters at the thought of Boris in a town shirt...

Ok, to be fair and balanced  I can confirm I have seen one of the people in this photo at a Town match.  (Vickers)

Another I have seen on telly on a show called PMQs, where he was being told off by the Speaker for not answering the questions. He is our PM.

And the third one I understand to be my Member of Parliament and also my local ward councillor, but apart from this photo, and a tv appearance defending the algorithm hours before a govt u-turn, she is invisible on both counts.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Grow up, she's simply trying to put the Town itself in the spotlight. It's her bloody job.

Her job is to represent the interests of her constituents in parliament, including the 70% of the town’s electorate that didn’t vote for her.

Not to hand out hats and shirts for publicity stunts like a work experience kid in the commercial department.

Look at the state of the town, do you think it’s going to be fixed after handing the PM a football shirt? Interesting way to devise an economic strategy if so. But yeah, “grow up”...

Quoted from Rick12

I think calling Boris a racist by some on here is a bit strong. Yes he said things which were a bit below the belt in the past but I dont think that makes him a out and out racist.

As noted I think very few people in this world are out and out racists but granted some have more racism  than others.

Put it in perspective for one. Phycological research has shown a large percentage of people have some hidden racial bias in them.

Having said that I think the capacity for change for the better (and which is the stronger force) is within all of us .Not just with racism but other things like bullying etc. We just need to want to try to choose the right path.

I quote:

Black people have watermelon smiles

Muslim women look like letterboxes

Piccaninnies

The language of an out and out racist.

Quoted from Vance Warner

Absolute nonsense. My young kids haven’t got a racist bone in their body. They couldn’t care less about the skin colour of the people they play with. Make no mistake racism is learnt behaviour usually from parents. That makes it all the more tragic that it is still going on today.

Its not nonsense though. I agree with you in that children are pure and racist behaviour to some degree or another is learnt via social conditioning as we grow up.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I quote:

Black people have watermelon smiles

Muslim women look like letterboxes

Piccaninnies

The language of an out and out racist.

Yes I have seen that. But that doesnt constitute  a out and out racist. Hence Iam sure Boris doesnt think all black people are lazy, criminals and hates every single one etc etc.

Noone is whiter than white.

Boris is a racist, a narcissist and a liar.

He is the epitome of white privilege.

Quoted from Rick12

Its not nonsense though. I agree with you in that children are pure and racist behaviour to some degree or another is learnt via social conditioning as we grow up.

Yes I have seen that. But that doesnt constitute  a out and out racist. Hence Iam sure Boris doesnt think all black people are lazy, criminals and hates every single one etc etc.

Noone is whiter than white.


Ah, I see..... there is a sliding scale of racism where it's ok at one end (probably just 'bants') and at the other end it's killing 'them'?

Thanks, I appreciate that clarification.

No racism is ok Bobby and your missing my point big style  :o .

Your right in one part there are differing levels of racism .Acute and more subtle. All need to be tackled.

Quoted from aldi_01

They did well to find out MPs...haven’t nor heard of them for the late 5 months...

But many seemed to have missed my original point; regardless of political persuasion, had this been Starmer I’d have equally been annoyed.

Whilst politics and football, contrary to what some think, do go hand in hand annoyingly, these sort of things aren’t helpful. It’s no more a publicity stunt that is to inflate the egos of no mark local MPs doing little for the town.

Someone mentioned celebrities; completely different. They make films or write songs etc. You don’t have to like them but they’re harmless on most respects (unless they were a 1970s BBC presenter) but politics is far too divisive so the simple response is that that club shouldn’t be allowing this sort of stuff to happen.

Just once again shows the nativity of the club. Mind you, I bet the non non chairman and his polyester jacket wearing mate spent all night pulling their hooters at the thought of Boris in a town shirt...

Everything is divisive this day and age. Had some celeb been photographed with a Town shirt you can bet your last pound there would be people on here straight away saying it is terrible, he/she is not a good look for the club.

Just live and let let live. Someone important gets photographed with a football shirt happens all the time. Corbyn did it at Blackpool last year I think and of course it is just for a photo opp. Corbyn or Boris have no particular interest in Blackpool FC or GTFC but it generates a bit of press coverage.

Quoted from Rick12

Its not nonsense though. I agree with you in that children are pure and racist behaviour to some degree or another is learnt via social conditioning as we grow up.

Yes I have seen that. But that doesnt constitute  a out and out racist. Hence Iam sure Boris doesnt think all black people are lazy, criminals and hates every single one etc etc.

Noone is whiter than white.

The watermelon, piccaninny and letter box quotes are vile and overtly racist. It’s actually the language of a white supremacist.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The watermelon, piccaninny and letter box quotes are vile and overtly racist. It’s actually the language of a white supremacist.

We all have the power to change though. I know Boris has apologised for these remarks though.

Hence look at anyones psyche though and Iam sure we can get dig out dirt in all of us. I remember when I was working with some people. They "hated racists" but yet turned around and bullied someone mercilessly  to their face as they were of a weak persona and having challenges at home . Hence double standards.It stopped though because a few of us  stood up for this person . Hence had people not stood up for racial prejudice in the past Iam sure these same people who "hated" racists would have victimised black people. Or disabled friends of mine who were  in wheelchairs got  picked on and mocked and where Ive had to step in for them as they were getting harassed .

Hence reminds me a bit of the law of the jungle. You get hyenas that sense weakness in some and attack them .Unless the majority dont stand for good the weak just get picked on and victimised and lives are made a misery.

Quoted from Rick12

We all have the power to change though. I know Boris has apologised for these remarks though.

Hence look at anyones psyche though and Iam sure we can get dig out dirt in all of us. I remember when I was working with some people. They "hated racists" but yet turned around and bullied someone mercilessly  to their face as they were of a weak persona and having challenges at home . Hence double standards.It stopped though because a few of us  stood up for this person . Hence had people not stood up for racial prejudice in the past Iam sure these same people who "hated" racists would have victimised black people. Or disabled friends of mine who were  in wheelchairs got  picked on and mocked and where Ive had to step in for them as they were getting harassed .

Hence reminds me a bit of the law of the jungle. You get hyenas that sense weakness in some and attack them .Unless the majority dont stand for good the weak just get picked on and victimised and lives are made a misery.

Did he really??
Must have missed that.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-question-time-debate-racism-muslim-gay-comments-columns-a9214561.html

Quoted from Stadium

Did he really??
Must have missed that.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-question-time-debate-racism-muslim-gay-comments-columns-a9214561.html

Fair enough Stadium.Sad to see that and I hope he had changed. I was only referring to this though below:


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2019/dec/05/boris-johnson-apologises-for-likening-muslim-women-wearing-burqas-to-letterboxes-video

Quoted from Rick12

I think calling Boris a racist by some on here is a bit strong. Yes he said things which were a bit below the belt in the past but I dont think that makes him a out and out racist.

As noted I think very few people in this world are out and out racists but granted some have more racism  than others.

Put it in perspective for one. Phycological research has shown a large percentage of people have some hidden racial bias in them.

Having said that I think the capacity for change for the better (and which is the stronger force) is within all of us .Not just with racism but other things like bullying etc. We just need to want to try to choose the right path.

Boris is a racist, his comments and past articles leave little doubt about that, worse he uses these racist snippets as a calculated dog whistle to the many racists in this country, he is not stupid he would not apologise because he knew apology was not what the members of his party electing a new leader wanted to hear

Quoted from codcheeky

Boris is a racist, his comments and past articles leave little doubt about that, worse he uses these racist snippets as a calculated dog whistle to the many racists in this country, he is not stupid he would not apologise because he knew apology was not what the members of his party electing a new leader wanted to hear

I think its a shame Boris has not  kept up with the times and has held some antiquated racial undertones in his language. Hence Churchill and Gandhi expressed racial views as well but done a lot of good as well albeit in there time there was a lot  more racism which is why it wasn't the issue it is today. Hence society has moved on for the better.

But lets not forget the left are not completely innocent either with regards to certain groups .Remember the issues Labour had with anti Semitism in the party?.

To be fair to keir Starmer he has tackled antisemitism  effectively it seems eg :

Keir Starmer, apologised to the Jewish community for anti-Semitism in the party's ranks and promised to "tear out this poison by its roots" in his acceptance speech.

In a video conference with Jewish leaders, the new Labour leader and his deputy, Angela Rayner, said they would set up an independent complaints procedure and review all outstanding cases.

This was welcomed by Jewish leaders, who said in a joint statement that Sir Keir had "achieved more in four days" than Mr Corbyn did "in four years".

Quoted from Rick12

I think its a shame Boris has not  kept up with the times and has held some antiquated racial undertones in his language. Hence Churchill and Gandhi expressed racial views as well but done a lot of good as well albeit in there time there was a lot  more racism which is why it wasn't the issue it is today. Hence society has moved on for the better.

But lets not forget the left are not completely innocent either with regards to certain groups .Remember the issues Labour had with anti Semitism in the party?.

To be fair to keir Starmer he has tackled antisemitism  effectively it seems eg :

Keir Starmer, apologised to the Jewish community for anti-Semitism in the party's ranks and promised to "tear out this poison by its roots" in his acceptance speech.

In a video conference with Jewish leaders, the new Labour leader and his deputy, Angela Rayner, said they would set up an independent complaints procedure and review all outstanding cases.

This was welcomed by Jewish leaders, who said in a joint statement that Sir Keir had "achieved more in four days" than Mr Corbyn did "in four years".

If you believe Corbyn is or was anti Semitic you have had the wool pulled well and truly over your eyes.  That a concerted campaign looking back years and years could find nothing more than a liked tweet about bankers shows how desperate the campaign was.
I do not disagree that many traditional voters are quite racist, immigration was and is a big issue, I have been canvassing and the amount of people in some traditional labour areas who say “I don’t mind if you put me down as a racist” was surprising.
Johnson has played to these people just as Trump did in the US.

Quoted from codcheeky

If you believe Corbyn is or was anti Semitic you have had the wool pulled well and truly over your eyes.  That a concerted campaign looking back years and years could find nothing more than a liked tweet about bankers shows how desperate the campaign was.
I do not disagree that many traditional voters are quite racist, immigration was and is a big issue, I have been canvassing and the amount of people in some traditional labour areas who say “I don’t mind if you put me down as a racist” was surprising.
Johnson has played to these people just as Trump did in the US.

I have never believed Corbyn to be anti Semitic but I do think there has been issues with the labour party with this issue.

As noted I have always voted for the green party but can see good and bad issues with labour and conservative policy's. Hence no party is going to get it right all the time.

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I have never believed Corbyn to be anti Semitic but I do think there has been issues with the labour party with this issue.

As noted I have always voted for the green party but can see good and bad issues with labour and conservative policy's. Hence no party is going to get it right all the time.

The issue was many Corbyns supporters were sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, kicked out of their country to form Israel, and to the state of those in the occupied territories of the Goan heights the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, a massive funding and disinformation campaign with many even within the Labour Party taking large sums and organising against their own leader. It remains to be seen were Starmer sits on this, he’s not big on policy at the moment, It’s 4 more years before it will make any difference anyway, it’s much easier to watch the shitshow and let the Tories self harm.
Like you I am naturally in the Greens, Corbyn adopted a lot of our ideas for a new green economy and a more equal country, I believe we missed a chance to change the country, those in power will never let it get as close as 2017 again.

Often, it takes a crisis for a leader’s credentials to either rise or be exposed. Nothing that’s happened in the past six months has enhanced BoJos reputation.

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I think its a shame Boris has not  kept up with the times and has held some antiquated racial undertones in his language. Hence Churchill and Gandhi expressed racial views as well but done a lot of good as well albeit in there time there was a lot  more racism which is why it wasn't the issue it is today. Hence society has moved on for the better.

But lets not forget the left are not completely innocent either with regards to certain groups .Remember the issues Labour had with anti Semitism in the party?.

To be fair to keir Starmer he has tackled antisemitism  effectively it seems eg :

Keir Starmer, apologised to the Jewish community for anti-Semitism in the party's ranks and promised to "tear out this poison by its roots" in his acceptance speech.

In a video conference with Jewish leaders, the new Labour leader and his deputy, Angela Rayner, said they would set up an independent complaints procedure and review all outstanding cases.

This was welcomed by Jewish leaders, who said in a joint statement that Sir Keir had "achieved more in four days" than Mr Corbyn did "in four years".

Absolutely astounding that you would try and hide behind the confected idea of Corbyn enabling antisemites in order to defend Boris Johnson, despite his own well-documented history of antisemitism. This from a recent Guardian piece on his book ‘72 Virgins’ -

“He describes “Jewish oligarchs” who run the media, and fiddle the figures to fix elections in their favour.
He portrays a Jewish character, Sammy Katz, with a “proud nose and curly hair”, and paints him as a malevolent, stingy, snake-like Jewish businessman who exploits immigrant workers for profit.”

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Absolutely astounding that you would try and hide behind the confected idea of Corbyn enabling antisemites in order to defend Boris Johnson, despite his own well-documented history of antisemitism. This from a recent Guardian piece on his book ‘72 Virgins’ -

“He describes “Jewish oligarchs” who run the media, and fiddle the figures to fix elections in their favour.
He portrays a Jewish character, Sammy Katz, with a “proud nose and curly hair”, and paints him as a malevolent, stingy, snake-like Jewish businessman who exploits immigrant workers for profit.”

Iam not big on politics so I didnt know  Boris said that about Jews. Sad to read though.

You knew enough about politics to spend the last few days defending him, mind.

Regardless, I hope Nici’s exploits as a gentleman’s outfitter are remembered the next time she’s asking for £82k a year from the taxpayers of N.E.Lincs. She’s done frig all else

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You knew enough about politics to spend the last few days defending him, mind.

Regardless, I hope Nici’s exploits as a gentleman’s outfitter are remembered the next time she’s asking for £82k a year from the taxpayers of N.E.Lincs. She’s done frig all else

I like to think there's good in everyone and Iam a strong believer in thinking good is always the stronger universal force in the long run.

Granted I may have been taking in somewhat by Boris's outward charm without realising he has some issues he still needs to deal with. But then dont we all albeit some a lot  more than others.

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And it went to rack and ruin under several decades of labour rule did it not?

Are you clueless? Since 1979 Labour has been in government for 13 years. The other 28 years we’ve had Conservative governments. For the hard of thinking that’s more than twice as long.

If you want to wind the clock back to 1945, Labour had 30 years. Tories 45 years.

Who’s to blame?

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I must’ve imagined the last 10 years then. I’d never heard of food bank when I left at 19, now you can’t move for them.

Absolutely. Food banks are a national embarrassment. Especially when we’re talking about working people. Not some homeless junkies or winos.

When I was a kid, the only homeless people you saw on the street were winos. Then in the 80s you started seeing young kids. Now we’ve got flipping food banks.

And we’re one of the richest countries!

Yeah, but we're out of Europe, so not all bad.

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I like to think there's good in everyone and Iam a strong believer in thinking good is always the stronger universal force in the long run.

Granted I may have been taking in somewhat by Boris's outward charm without realising he has some issues he still needs to deal with. But then dont we all albeit some a lot  more than others.

Just out if interest Rick how old are you?

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Just out if interest Rick how old are you?

None of your business  ;)  but still quite young.

I know where this is going though eg your a bit naïve etc .Yes I probably was but like football players we all have our weaknesses and can all improve.

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None of your business  ;)  but still quite young.

I know where this is going though eg your a bit naïve etc .Yes I probably was but like football players we all have our weaknesses and can all improve.

Knowing when you have got something wrong and then admitting it is a strength Rick. I applaud you for for it, it’s something we could do with more of on this forum and in life generally.

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Knowing when you have got something wrong and then admitting it is a strength Rick. I applaud you for for it, it’s something we could do with more of on this forum and in life generally.

Thanks I appreciate that Sandford.

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Thanks I appreciate that Sandford.

I don't think you did get it wrong Rick, if we are referring to Corbyn's stance on anti semitism.

The left are always first to harangue anyone for racism yet its own leader for 4 years did absolutely nothing to combat this form of racism. The new leader has had to disown him (Corbyn) its Jewish MP;s had to disown him and Jewish leaders had to disown him.

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I don't think you did get it wrong Rick, if we are referring to Corbyn's stance on anti semitism.

The left are always first to harangue anyone for racism yet its own leader for 4 years did absolutely nothing to combat this form of racism. The new leader has had to disown him (Corbyn) its Jewish MP;s had to disown him and Jewish leaders had to disown him.

I always think its what inside someone that really counts Lew.

With regards to yourself as noted before going of  politics somewhat I have a lot of respect for the way you stuck up for some of our players. Hence those that were not the best technically but those that showed effort you appreciated  as with others on here  . Hence players read the fishy and out right mockery and sarcasm dont help them.  Ive known players who have played pro/semi pro so I know how some opinions  can kill players. Its like Rio Ferdinand said in his book  Alex Ferguson used differing psychology on differing players. Hence were all wired differently. Out right praise for some players made them rest on their laurels eg Rio Ferdinand and their standards slipped .Others were confidence players eg Nani who was quality on his day and always needed a confidence booster. Out right condemnation by the manager would have killed his performances. Hence thats why Rio Ferdinand rated Alex Ferguson so much. Knew how to use psychology effectively  to get the best out of his team.

Nice one Boris. Gets more Trump like by the day.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/sep/26/pm-offers-top-media-body-jobs-to-critics-of-bbc-say-reports