Ive heard limbricks left due to crap contract renewal covid clauses etc. Good source and may be wrong but seems solid sadly, hope im wrong

Shame if true but, sadly, it’s part of the game these days. In reality there’s probably dozens of aspiring coaches out there who would jump at the chance to come in.

Quoted from mariners1

Shame if true but, sadly, it’s part of the game these days. In reality there’s probably dozens of aspiring coaches out there who would jump at the chance to come in.

Ben Davies lined up as replacement maybe?

Yep he has gone today , not ideal preparations for our game tomorrow.

Says on Facebook- not ideal source- Limbrick walked and holloway told players dont bother training

Not surprised there was never enough room for him and Holloway

Quoted from Ipswin

Not surprised there was never enough room for him and Holloway

Oooh straight in...couldnt wait!!

Quoted from Ipswin

Not surprised there was never enough room for him and Holloway

Nothing to do with it. From what I understand his wife and child are based down south and he wanted to go back home and accepted a redundancy package.

May give us a chance to bring in a top player looking to get into management as a player coach.

As for Limbrick, seemed a good bloke but it very rarely works when a manager inherits his staff.

Maybe we will soldier on without an assistant to free up more dosh. Somebody already on the payroll will probably be asked to step in, in a dual role. Davies or suchlike.

Quoted from Youngy

Nothing to do with it. From what I understand his wife and child are based down south and he wanted to go back home and accepted a redundancy package.

If that's the case I wouldn't the least bit surprised to find that holloway has someone ready to step in immediately

We are skint guys very skint. Limbrick wasnt having his contract go so small. Fitness coach doing all arangements for new players and trailists, were skint end of.. Holloway not as nice as he comes across either, hence assistant left

Guess we’ll have to wait for the tech guy to come back off holiday before any formal announcement...

Joking aside, is heard a couple of rumours this week but didn’t think anything of it.

He does seem to have featured less and less since holloway got here...

Quoted from 1098

We are skint guys very skint. Limbrick wasnt having his contract go so small. Fitness coach doing all arangements for new players and trailists, were skint end of.. Holloway not as nice as he comes across either, hence assistant left

Have you had personal dealings with Holloway to make such an inflammatory comment?

Quoted from 1098

We are skint guys very skint. Limbrick wasnt having his contract go so small. Fitness coach doing all arangements for new players and trailists, were skint end of.. Holloway not as nice as he comes across either, hence assistant left

Give it a, insert sex and travel, rest .

Quoted from 1098

We are skint guys very skint. Limbrick wasnt having his contract go so small. Fitness coach doing all arangements for new players and trailists, were skint end of.. Holloway not as nice as he comes across either, hence assistant left

He is a football manager hence a streak in him but his character and wanting the best for all around him can not be questioned, likewise if you are not 100% he would not stop anyone moving on

Quoted from crusty ole pie

He is a football manager hence a streak in him but his character and wanting the best for all around him can not be questioned, likewise if you are not 100% he would not stop anyone moving on

Bang on the money, I liked Limbrick but I get the feeling Ollie's slowly moving out the players who were playing under Jolley, including the back room staff.

Or perhaps the pair clashed, the club offered a urine poor contract and he’s decided it’s worth moving on...

It is what it is, people come and go, only the fans remain...

Decent bloke shame if it’s fact but if we have a manager and 2 coaches then under the current financial squeeze that would seem excessive.

Always makes me smile when a good conspiracy theory latches itself on to a reasonable story.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Decent bloke shame if it’s fact but if we have a manager and 2 coaches then under the current financial squeeze that would seem excessive.

I’d imagine that given the club have openly claimed in the past that excess coaching staff isn’t something they see as vital perhaps they’ve just offered a excrement deal and he’s said “intercourse it” and walked away?

May be he has fallen out with Holloway, who knows...it’s been an odd pre season though...

Quoted from aldi_01

I’d imagine that given the club have openly claimed in the past that excess coaching staff isn’t something they see as vital perhaps they’ve just offered a excrement deal and he’s said “intercourse it” and walked away?

May be he has fallen out with Holloway, who knows...it’s been an odd pre season though...

In fairness he ain't going to up sticks if he's nothing to go to he's got a young family to feed, can only summise he's got something lined up that's more lucrative rather than the usual balls we hear on here

Quoted from aldi_01

I’d imagine that given the club have openly claimed in the past that excess coaching staff isn’t something they see as vital perhaps they’ve just offered a excrement deal and he’s said “intercourse it” and walked away?

May be he has fallen out with Holloway, who knows...it’s been an odd pre season though...

But it's highly unlikely that his contract ended in September, and not in the off season. So he would have absolutely zero reason to take a new contract on lesser terms until the current one expires. Sounds like putting 2 and 2 together.

‘This town ain’t big enough for the both of us”.  ? ;)

Quoted from pen penfras

But it's highly unlikely that his contract ended in September, and not in the off season. So he would have absolutely zero reason to take a new contract on lesser terms until the current one expires. Sounds like putting 2 and 2 together.

Not necessarily, negotiations can take place whenever and we’ve been open about pay cuts and the like so anything could happen.

So as I stated, it could be a contractual issue, a falling out or a combination of lots of things...

Side note...comment from the non non chairman’s mate who’s now the chairman...”cost cutting” is cited...

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

‘This town ain’t big enough for the both of us”.  ? ;)

Are you suggesting that Sparks flew?

Ive said the truth thought peeps would want to know. Everyting ive said is true and in advance of general knowledge but some on fishy always wanna dig so no more i know so much more than you shame!

Surely the concern is that club will continue without an assistant?

I mean there’s cost cutting and then decisions that just seem a bit odd...

Quoted from aldi_01

Surely the concern is that club will continue without an assistant?

I mean there’s cost cutting and then decisions that just seem a bit odd...

If Holloway has been involved in the decision I'm not so worried, but if he wasn't then I expect a backlash, he seemed to really get on with AL, but I've said this earlier, maybe he's just clearing out as much as he can that was associated with Jolley??..who knows..

There's always the chance a senior pro might see it as an opportunity to get his coaching badges with on the job training?

The board once again knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing. How long will Holloway put up with them?

Quoted from LH

The board once again knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing. How long will Holloway put up with them?

Holloway's on the board!!...

To go without an assistant for the season is staggering. And typical of this board

Phillip Day tells Matt Dean we will operate without an assistant manager.

How long before Holloway walks aswell?


Then we will be back at square one

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Holloway's on the board!!...

Which surely makes you question the sanity of the man when he has claimed he shares John Fenty’s (lack of) vision? Doesn’t that worry people?

Dave Moore will be gone next, May be Holloway fancies himself as a one man band? Is he any good with a sponge and some freeze spray?

He's a really nice bloke, he'll be missed.

Quoted from Davec

Phillip Day tells Matt Dean we will operate without an assistant manager.

How long before Holloway walks aswell?


Then we will be back at square one

He won't walk, nobody will pay him back his £100 000 investment...I think the man's more shrewd and ruthless than we'd like to think, I'd hazard a guess Ben Davis will become this right hand man...

So if Ben Davies is brought in then why the need to make the comment that the club will operate without an assistant?

I guess cost cutting is a good excuse even if it’s total nonsense.

I don’t don’t Holloway is shrewd but I’d also imagine he’d like to finish a career with his reputation in relative tact...with the continued poor leadership off the pitch, if we head towards the conference, would he want to be associated with that?

I would suggest that IH is not his usual chipper self during recent interviews but I have assumed this was probably down to the Covid issues and the ridiculous situation the EFL has placed clubs like ours by making them return when there main source of income has been taken away.

It could be that the cuts the club are making, plus supporting the salary cap and the perennial problem of attracting players to Grimsby are all additional factors affecting his normal positivity.

Hopefully a couple of wins will put a smile back on his face and put an end to the likes of me making any kinds of assumptions about what he’s thinking!,

Quoted from aldi_01

So if Ben Davies is brought in then why the need to make the comment that the club will operate without an assistant?

I guess cost cutting is a good excuse even if it’s total nonsense.

I don’t don’t Holloway is shrewd but I’d also imagine he’d like to finish a career with his reputation in relative tact...with the continued poor leadership off the pitch, if we head towards the conference, would he want to be associated with that?

I'm convinced Holloway is looking for a clean sweep, he's said repeatedly that the the team he inherited had a losing mentality, he wants his players and his staff and to build a selling club, I trust him but if certain people put their oar in, I have no doubt he'll be out of here like a rat up a drain pipe .

Quoted from Youngy

and accepted a redundancy package.

How can his job be redundant? How can anyone justify paying him off?

Bad timing, bad decision, and we,ll never know the true reason. All the best AL, and ty for your effort helping us, i for one applause you and wish you well for the future.

I’ve seen suggestions on twitter from accounts I trust that IH is not happy with this.

I think his job has gradually disappeared since Ollie came, hence the reason I asked about it on the other thread.

Davis is Ollie’s preferred sounding board and coach, simple as that. A restructure.

I reckon there is more to it than they are letting on.
No matter what pathetic reasons they are coming up with, I think Limbrick has been offered a job elsewhere and will be employed again within the next couple of weeks. Someone will have got wind of it and that's helped the Board make their mind up to 'ease' him out.

This board makes me laugh as the other day there was a post asking about Limberick's role, what does he do, what decisions does he actually make and i think some even questioned if he was still with us as he was that quiet.
Now that hes gone, suddenly everyones up in arms.

Personally i see it as Ollie makes all the decisions and runs the club, Greg helps with the training and surely Ben Davies will chip in with his experiences. Ollie took in all the reserves games anyway and we seem to have a tight network of scouts that Ollie calls upon so what does/would Limberick do that isnt already covered. I'd sooner see that hole in the funds filled with further squad strengthening.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

I think his job has gradually disappeared since Ollie came, hence the reason I asked about it on the other thread.

Davis is Ollie’s preferred sounding board and coach, simple as that. A restructure.

My thoughts exactly, Holloway wants to change the way the club is run, I would hazard yet another guess that at some point he will want ultimate control at board level too

It was mentioned on the swindon forum that Danny rose  had also been doing some coaching last season.

Good luck to anthony did a great job for us, and hope hes got something fixed up

I started this thread. He left coz his wages were down to pathetic and could no longer accept it being acceptable, were really struggling with money we dont have any, understand that please

Seen a couple of suggestions that his departure could be an opportunity to spend more on players but I assume the salary cap only applies to the playing staff and does not include managers, coaches etc., is that correct?

If so money will not be going towards getting better players but might get us some porter loos for when crowds return!!!

So the board said they require evidence of sufficient proof of funds that somebody can finally support the club in the event of a drastic downturn but yet it seems they can't support the club themselves...

I wonder If Fenty still takes the 250k out of the club every year

Quoted from 1098

I started this thread. He left coz his wages were down to pathetic and could no longer accept it being acceptable, were really struggling with money we dont have any, understand that please

Nobody unless mentally unstable leaves a job because their wages are not what they expect unless they have another job to walk into. He's got a young family to support, so regardless of what you "supposedly" know, it's all a bit pie in the sky..good luck with your 11 plus btw.

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

He's a really nice bloke, he'll be missed.

I fully agree, spoke to him a couple of times and found him one of the most approachable members of the management team there has been over the past few years.

Quoted from 1098

I started this thread. He left coz his wages were down to pathetic and could no longer accept it being acceptable, were really struggling with money we dont have any, understand that please

What about the ££££ that was raised only a few weeks ago?

I trust IH’s verdict more than a load of us without experience on a message board. There’s probably loads going on behind the scenes but it’s not up to us to make those decisions.

The board have managed to make excrement decisions by blaming the virus, yet it’s becoming more and more clear they’ve just been shite decisions. This is yet another one of them, if we’re not careful we’ll scare off our best manager in years.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

What about the ££££ that was raised only a few weeks ago?

I trust IH’s verdict more than a load of us without experience on a message board. There’s probably loads going on behind the scenes but it’s not up to us to make those decisions.

The funds raised that nobody knows what they'll be used for ?

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Nobody unless mentally unstable leaves a job because their wages are not what they expect unless they have another job to walk into. He's got a young family to support, so regardless of what you "supposedly" know, it's all a bit pie in the sky..good luck with your 11 plus btw.

Or maybe was asked to take a significant pay decrease??
But hey like you say who knows,it's all "pie Int he sky "
Thanks to the OP for the heads up which was truthful and in good faith.

Where's the money going that was raised . Where did OP really go ? .....

Just when everything seemed to be coming together we lose our assistant manager on the eve of our first game of the season, the joys of following Town eh.

Quoted from Stadium

Or maybe was asked to take a significant pay decrease??
But hey like you say who knows,it's all "pie Int he sky "
Thanks to the OP for the heads up which was truthful and in good faith.

Bud, I've had to take a 10% wage cut due to Covid-19, but I just sucked it up as I have mouths to feed, it's not a reason to chick the towel in and walk away from a job, in time it will come out exactly what went on, my only hope is that Holloway was involved in the decision making, if not we are truly screwed as Holloway will walk away, which will be the worst thing in nigh on 45 years of supporting town I have ever seen.

Cost cutting, as the OP said, confirmed by the keeper of the purse strings himself -

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattdeanbbc/status/1301950020183261184


So after the fans have chucked in £200k, once again, where is this passion and commitment being matched by certain board members?

I find it strange that we’ve been saying that we can survive for a year without football and then, the day before football starts, we say goodbye to our assistant manager.

Funniest thread in ages, dead easy in my 40+ years of going to BP we’ve generally had a manager and a assistant or coach, in reality that’s all we’ve been able to afford.

Also he was a top bloke but under his coaching did players improve, did they hold the ball or pass it better? Did they make the right runs or decisions on and off the ball, did the finishing improve.

Maybe IH thought he just wasn’t at a level to take such varied squad forward?

Wake up and smell the coffee. Now would be a good time

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Bud, I've had to take a 10% wage cut due to Covid-19, but I just sucked it up as I have mouths to feed, it's not a reason to chick the towel in and walk away from a job, in time it will come out exactly what went on, my only hope is that Holloway was involved in the decision making, if not we are truly screwed as Holloway will walk away, which will be the worst thing in nigh on 45 years of supporting town I have ever seen.

??
By all accounts released due to cost cuttings & not to be replaced.
So maybe not walked away ??

Genuine question, how many clubs in League Two run without an assistant manager?

Quoted from promotion plaice

Genuine question, how many clubs in League Two run without an assistant manager?

Spent hours researching and it currently stands at 1

Quoted from promotion plaice

Genuine question, how many clubs in League Two run without an assistant manager?

Absolutely none other than us. Probably at all levels of football down to Sunday league too. In fact some might even have two in our league.

Just taking our management/coaching team size back to what it always was pre Holloway isn’t it?

Admittedly, the timing is strange. Unless we’re bringing in a player/assistant.

Wish AL all the best for the future just find it very strange this has happened a day before our first competitive game and not before pre-season especially when the reason is supposedly down to cost cutting.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Bud, I've had to take a 10% wage cut due to Covid-19, but I just sucked it up as I have mouths to feed, it's not a reason to chick the towel in and walk away from a job, in time it will come out exactly what went on, my only hope is that Holloway was involved in the decision making, if not we are truly screwed as Holloway will walk away, which will be the worst thing in nigh on 45 years of supporting town I have ever seen.

And that is the big one isn't it, as much as I liked Limbrick I just hope Ollie agreed with the decision.

Ollie is on the board so he knew what was going on he has two other helpers plus Dave Moore so did he need him or did he want a extra player coming in .?

Limbrick was still on a rolling 6 month contract so he could have been told 3months ago it was not going to be renewed.

Ollie likes.to be hands on anyway.

Ollie is on the board so he knew what was going on he has two other helpers plus Dave Moore so did he need him or did he want a extra player coming in .?

Limbrick was still on a rolling 6 month contract so he could have been told 3months ago it was not going to be renewed.

Ollie likes.to be hands on anyway.

Ollie is on the board so he knew what was going on he has two other helpers plus Dave Moore so did he need him or did he want a extra player coming in .?

Limbrick was still on a rolling 6 month contract so he could have been told 3months ago it was not going to be renewed.

Ollie likes.to be hands on anyway.

Smacks of a cheap skate club making a cheap skate decision and using covid as cover. IH was bemoaning the salary cap in his interview the other day, so it seems he doesn't stand four square with the rest of the board.

Holloway big fan of Davis , he'll step in I'd expect. Got more experience and probably knows more about how to play....

Where does the idea that if Holloway agrees or does something it must be right come from? He’s not had the perfect career, he’s naturally made mistakes so surely people can’t be that convinced everything will always be perfect with holloway?

We all want it to be that way but there’s still a chance as with any manager that it won’t be. What if he hasn’t agreed with this but the club have pushed on with cost cutting anyway?

It all seems so typically GTFC, hardly the best time for this to happen. A constant stream of negativity from the club, Holloway being his usual approve self, although that’s changed a little recently...who the intercourse knows but stuff like this doesn’t even surprise us anymore.

All we actually know is that he has left, NOBODY knows the reason behind his departure. Until the full facts emerge, could we please stop this constant griping at the board. There may well be a perfectly simple reason for him leaving, wife and family still live down south for example, or that Ollie doesn't think he is up to it, and wants someone more dynamic, after all, he has had plenty of time to assess how he works.

Just another stick to hammer the board with, sod the facts!

Tomorrows post match interview should be worth a listen, whatever the result....

Quoted from aldi_01

Surely the concern is that club will continue without an assistant?

I mean there’s cost cutting and then decisions that just seem a bit odd...

If the process has been a redundancy one, then it is the position that is terminated not the person.

You can’t make someone redundant and then re-recruit to their role.

I would guess the management team will reshape with the functions of an assistant being delivered without it being called that.  If the assistant role was directly replaced Anthony Limbrick would be able to sue for unfair dismissal.

My observation is that it is a means of moving AL on in as inexpensive a way as possible.

I would guess there is more of a plan than cost-cutting behind this.  

With our boards track record attitude towards backroom staff no real suprise they have chosen to cut back, they probably think all the assistant manager does is put some cones out on training days.

Not sure why people are attaching so much to this without knowing the facts?

We’re a 4th Division club operating on the back of a lockdown with no specific date when we’ll get match day income, despite the spin I also suspect projected season ticket sales are behind.

We have an experienced manager who clearly feels he has something to offer day in day out on the coaching pitch, why would we then need a two coach level underneath him?

Also it looks like we’ll be Tues/Sat for a long while so ...

Mon - Session
Tue - If your at home session or if not travelling
Wed - Day off for those who played Tuesday
Thur - Session
Fri - Game prep
Sat - Game
Sun - Day off for those who played Saturday

Maybe there is just not enough for 2 coaches to do for a while.

The ultimate question is did he jump or was he pushed?

Im sure I read that not only is Ollie the team Manager, but also the Director of Football.

Im sure the DoF has the powers to hire and fire staff as well as players.

Could it be Ollie ultimately wants overall control?

Our very own Ollie-garch!

Trying to work out the rationale behind the boards decisions since lockdown has been like reading tea leaves.  
If you buy the 'responsible guardians' glass half empty narrative then this move is more good housekeeping to protect the club for the long term. Philip Day wants to run a tight ship and the 25% pay cut, release of players, 'we wanted to keep' , a contract mishap with CV , and raised ST prices flow from that position. A policy with lots of fan support initially.

A number of other L2 clubs, however, have been more on the front foot with earlier training, lots of pre-season friendlies and bold ST campaigns. Glass half full approach.

Ollie has been clear on the salary cap but his board supported it. He has tried to be upbeat but the difficulty of attracting players to Grimsby , Covid clauses in new contracts and injuries before a ball is kicked are ramping up the frustration levels.

As soon as the OS and social media goes silent, rumours flood into the vacuum. When one of them turns out to be true the club are playing catch up. If the loss of Limbrick was planned then it has been clumsy at best. If it's a bust up then confess and move on.  

Christ is there an echo in here?

Quoted from mimma

All we actually know is that he has left, NOBODY knows the reason behind his departure. Until the full facts emerge, could we please stop this constant griping at the board. There may well be a perfectly simple reason for him leaving, wife and family still live down south for example, or that Ollie doesn't think he is up to it, and wants someone more dynamic, after all, he has had plenty of time to assess how he works.

Just another stick to hammer the board with, sod the facts!

According to Matt Dean the chairman said it was due to cost cutting.

It’s just the timing of it that’s strange an got people thinking theres more to it.

Quoted from Croxton

Trying to work out the rationale behind the boards decisions since lockdown has been like reading tea leaves.  
If you buy the 'responsible guardians' glass half empty narrative then this move is more good housekeeping to protect the club for the long term. Philip Day wants to run a tight ship and the 25% pay cut, release of players, 'we wanted to keep' , a contract mishap with CV[b][/b] , and raised ST prices flow from that position. A policy with lots of fan support initially.

A number of other L2 clubs, however, have been more on the front foot with earlier training, lots of pre-season friendlies and bold ST campaigns. Glass half full approach.

Ollie has been clear on the salary cap but his board supported it. He has tried to be upbeat but the difficulty of attracting players to Grimsby , Covid clauses in new contracts and injuries before a ball is kicked are ramping up the frustration levels.

As soon as the OS and social media goes silent, rumours flood into the vacuum. When one of them turns out to be true the club are playing catch up. If the loss of Limbrick was planned then it has been clumsy at best. If it's a bust up then confess and move on.  

There was no contract mishap with CV. There was a 1 year option to extend, but that could only have been exercised at pre-COVID pay not that number minus 25%.

Quoted from 140381

Christ is there an echo in here?

The site is running slowly tonight (I am looking into why). People are getting impatient and clicking more than once on the post button which results in duplicates. If you press the button it will post! Sorry about the slowness.

Quoted from mimma

All we actually know is that he has left, NOBODY knows the reason behind his departure. Until the full facts emerge, could we please stop this constant griping at the board. There may well be a perfectly simple reason for him leaving, wife and family still live down south for example, or that Ollie doesn't think he is up to it, and wants someone more dynamic, after all, he has had plenty of time to assess how he works.

Just another stick to hammer the board with, sod the facts!

New account John?

See this coming , good decision by the club

Matt Dean is a disgrerce.

Quoted from AdamHaddock

Matt Dean is a disgrerce.

Why is he?

Quoted from AdamHaddock

Matt Dean is a disgrerce.

Morning Russell, hows the court case?

I'm not surprised that he's gone, as Ollie didn't bring him in as his assistant. It was just convenient at the time to keep him on. I'm just surprised by the very strange timing. I wonder whether Ben Davies will assist Ollie instead, without being called his Assistant.

Quoted from forza ivano

Tomorrows post match interview should be worth a listen, whatever the result....

But will John Tondeur ask the question.................

Why is it always the playing side that suffers first when cuts “have” to be made, but the old boys club in the office never get looked at?

It’s all just a bit bizarre isn’t it, yet I don’t feel surprised. As said elsewhere, I struggle to see in what possible scenario we would leave the contract situation of our assistant manager until the day before our first game. It’s also strange that the site didn’t put anything out about it and all we’ve had is confirmation  from Matt Dean. Feels like they weren’t expecting it but are claiming they did. Who knows? Just another day in the life of GTFC...

Quoted from ska face

Why is it always the playing side that suffers first when cuts “have” to be made, but the old boys club in the office never get looked at?

I would imagine that they have been impacted as well especially as once all the season tickets have gone they'll be nothing for them to sell.

I would doubt any of them earn much more than minimum wage so the impact of cutting an admin person would be less of a cash "benefit" to the club,.  

Limbrick was a really nice friendly guy when I spoke to him. Sorry to see him go but that is football. Hope he gets himself sorted out somewhere closer to his family.

I suspect Ben Davies will perform the assistant manager role without being called that which has allowed us to make the position redundant.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I would imagine that they have been impacted as well especially as once all the season tickets have gone they'll be nothing for them to sell.

I would doubt any of them earn much more than minimum wage so the impact of cutting an admin person would be less of a cash "benefit" to the club,.  

I’d be amazed if the Chief Exec, Safety Officer,  Accounts Manager or Press Officer earn anything close to the minimum wage.

Quoted from ska face

I’d be amazed if the Chief Exec, Safety Officer,  Accounts Manager or Press Officer earn anything close to the minimum wage.

I’m not suggesting we go on without an assistant but on what planet are we supposed to just not have any of these above roles?

For what it's worth, given that we have signed all these players from semi-pro lower leagues who it now appears lack the necessary fitness to actually play at this level, then it makes no sense to let someone like Limbrick go?

Since Ollie arrived on the scene he has shown that he likes to have a finger in every pie.

Training, reserve games, in the community........ ......everything.

Yes the timing is shi'ite but if AL was doing nothing but shadowing IH then his position is untenable.

Working at much larger clubs I can understand teams having or needing an assistant Manager, but at this level, with what Ollie has to work with, and being so hands on, there really is no need for one.

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Since Ollie arrived on the scene he has shown that he likes to have a finger in every pie.

Training, reserve games, in the community........ ......everything.

Yes the timing is shi'ite but if AL was doing nothing but shadowing IH then his position is untenable.

Working at much larger clubs I can understand teams having or needing an assistant Manager, but at this level, with what Ollie has to work with, and being so hands on, there really is no need for one.

If there is no need for one why does every other club in the football league have one?

Quoted from ska face

I’d be amazed if the Chief Exec, Safety Officer,  Accounts Manager or Press Officer earn anything close to the minimum wage.

So if they where culled who would replace them?

Quoted from pontoonlew

I’m not suggesting we go on without an assistant but on what planet are we supposed to just not have any of these above roles?

Nobody’s suggested removing the roles, but it’s time to start treating every role with the same scrutiny as those on the playing side. There are people in those roles who have cost the club money, some examples more egregious than others, some repeatedly, but the board never sees an opportunity to improve the situation.

It’s the same principle as when Fenty wouldn’t stump up for a fitness coach. That decision cost us the best manager we’ve had since Buckley, arguably, plus an assistant, half a squad and all the momentum built up. The playing side is expected to survive on scraps and justify the outlay every single week. Others, with the potential to bring money in, aren’t treated the same way.

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Since Ollie arrived on the scene he has shown that he likes to have a finger in every pie.

Training, reserve games, in the community........ ......everything.

Yes the timing is shi'ite but if AL was doing nothing but shadowing IH then his position is untenable.

Working at much larger clubs I can understand teams having or needing an assistant Manager, but at this level, with what Ollie has to work with, and being so hands on, there really is no need for one.

I can see sense in all of them arguments but the question that is bugging most of us is the timing of his departure? Given we have been six months without football and whilst the club sat idle surely that was the obvious time for the club to review its structure and make any cuts necessary. If some of those staff were receiving furlough payments I can again understand delaying the announcement but once we the club were called back in that should have been the time to make this change.

For him to leave without an official club announcement just doesn’t seem to sit right and will obviously lead to some debate, speculation and rumour. I liked what I saw of him and thought if he stayed working with IH he could become a future manager but we move on and like others expect Ben Davies to make a step up albeit unofficially.

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

If there is no need for one why does every other club in the football league have one?

Who knows, but it'll be interesting to see if any other clubs follow suit.

Not all Managers are as hands on as Ollie

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Since Ollie arrived on the scene he has shown that he likes to have a finger in every pie.

Training, reserve games, in the community........ ......everything.

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I'm not convinced that is a good thing, the ability to delegate is vital especially in his job where there always appears to be stuff going on not always within the club. Is it that he can't delegate or doesn't want to give up any of the limelight?

By all accounts he is a thoroughly decent guy. No idea how good at his job he was or what he contributed though so will reserve judgment on whether it was the right decision.

The thing that is crazy though is the timing. The new players must be wondering what the hell is going on and presumably he was heavily involved in the planning over the summer. Straight after the season finished would surely have made more sense financially and practically for us and also it would’ve have been a better time for him to find a new job. Weird.

Maybe it was always the case that he was due to be helping us through pre season and then off on his way. As mentioned before, since Ollie came in it’s the first time in recent memory that we’ve had an assistant AND an extra coach too. Hurst, Slade, Jolley, Woods, Newell never had that.

Does seem weird timing though. Could be a good explanation for it but the club don’t seem to be able to tell us anything at the moment.

I’d be interested to hear what Ollie has to say about it. Maybe not the best timing, but if it frees up money for an extra/better player, and the assistant function can still be fulfilled by Davies, Mooro and Greg Howard, then fair enough IMHO.

Cost cutting?

I get that it's a strange situation with covid etc and I accept we'd have a reduced playing budget because of it.

But what was all that talk from the chairman about is being able to run the club for a year without any income if needed. We go from that, to losing an assistant manager on the eve of the first game due to apparent cost-cutting. Although you get the feeling that, as always, we probably won't find out the total truth of what happened.

As has been pointed out elsewhere I think, it also take me back to Fenty's insistence that Shutes or any interested parties have to prove they could fund the club in an unprecedented situation like this, when it's more apparent now that the current board can't really do that themselves. Nor do they invest any money at all anyway. Not that I'm particularly criticising that, but how can they make these demands or criteria of any new board taking over, when it's not something they do themselves.

Was looking forward to watching the game this afternoon but just feel a bit fed up now. Yes I'll still watch it but fed up of the amateurish drama that seems to always surround GTFC.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

So if they where culled who would replace them?

Let me introduce you to the concept of a “job advert”...

They said they'd take the necessary action to ensure the club survives, not that the club has enough cash to last a year without income.

The timing is odd, but we don't know the facts. Probably best to hear Ollie's interview this afternoon before jumping to conclusions

Just a thought on the timing. When did AL join the club? He was on a 6 mth rolling contract so perhaps the more boring reality is that it just happens to be when his contract expires.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Just a thought on the timing. When did AL join the club? He was on a 6 mth rolling contract so perhaps the more boring reality is that it just happens to be when his contract expires.

No - a 6 month rolling contract means he always has 6 months left on it!

Quoted from promotion plaice

I always thought a 6 month rolling contract meant every time you wake up you are still have 6 months left so the contact never expires, could be wrong though.

Spot on.

Quoted from tarka

Spot on.

I deleted my post because you had already clarified, cheers anyway   :)

Quoted from tarka

No - a 6 month rolling contract means he always has 6 months left on it!

Not if they served him due notice in March, unlikely but possible. I know RR posed this question but has Limbrick been involved In our pre-season?

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Not if they served him due notice in March, unlikely but possible. I know RR posed this question but has Limbrick been involved In our pre-season?

Notice period can be less than the term of the contract.  It will be written into the contract how much notice either party has to give. Can be a different period one way vs the other

Other clubs seem to be coping alright financially.....

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/former-watford-caretaker-hayden-mullins-takes-assistant-job-at-colchester-1599127253000

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Just a thought on the timing. When did AL join the club? He was on a 6 mth rolling contract so perhaps the more boring reality is that it just happens to be when his contract expires.

Maybe the club gave him his 6 month notice period when he was furloughed? Would make perfect sense given the financial uncertainty to give notice to all staff on a rolling contract.

Ben Davies is already first team coach so will be Assistant Manager in all but name. When normality is restored I'd imagine he'll be promoted to AM and a new coach brought in.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Maybe the club gave him his 6 month notice period when he was furloughed? Would make perfect sense given the financial uncertainty to give notice to all staff on a rolling contract.

Ben Davies is already first team coach so will be Assistant Manager in all but name. When normality is restored I'd imagine he'll be promoted to AM and a new coach brought in.

I wish you would stop being logical and sensible on here, its make the rest of us look bad.  ;D ;D ;D

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

I wish you would stop being logical and sensible on here, its make the rest of us look bad.  ;D ;D ;D

Well they say it skips a generation don't they...

I'll be over just before 2PM to take in the pre-match atmosphere.

Quoted from pen penfras

Notice period can be less than the term of the contract.  It will be written into the contract how much notice either party has to give. Can be a different period one way vs the other

In which case he is not on a six-month rolling contract as reported but a fixed term contract with a maximum length of 6 months with an agreed notice period. Very unusual I would say in the football world.

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

If there is no need for one why does every other club in the football league have one?

Laughable that people are saying it's fine without having an assistant just because we have a high profile manager.
A certain Mr Buckley always had one didn't he ??

If the tumbrils are rolling in a wider cost cutting review then the atmosphere in the ticket office could be revealing. Anyone been in today?

Quoted from Croxton

If the tumbrils are rolling in a wider cost cutting review then the atmosphere in the ticket office could be revealing. Anyone been in today?

None whatsoever.
It's closed.

Quoted from sam gy

Could be a good explanation for it but the club don’t seem to be able to tell us anything at the moment.

Is this the first sign that everything is getting back to pre-Covid normal?

I don't get this whole thread to be honest. People complaining about the board money cutting, how do we know IH wanted to keep him? Just because the club have said we won't operate without an assistant manager doesn't mean somebody won't be doing his duties. I'd imagine BD DM and DR will take over 50% of the roles with the other 50% such as recruitment and scouting going to independent scouts that IH trusts. Wouldn't shock me to see Graham Rodger back involved either in some capacity either.

IH is in effect Director of football. He decides how the budget is spent. For anyone to suggest this has happened against his wishes is rubbish.

The truth is he probably wanted to keep AL. He made him an offer. AL turned it down. AL left.

There is a big difference between wanting to keep somebody and wanting to keep somebody at all costs.

Club Statement - Anthony Limbrick

https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2020/september/club-statement--anthony-limbrick/

In fairness that clears some of it up, but why on earth has it taken 24hrs to put that out? urine poor

Fair enough - statement clears it up.

You should know by now we do not do PR...........










.......Unless we are forced into it!

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

You should know by now we do not do PR...........










.......Unless we are forced into it!

Our PR is done on the pitch ;)

Really disappointing statement from the club.

Attempting to throw Anthony Limbrick under a bus.

In case you didn't pick it up the club are saying "AL should have moved to Grimsby. He agreed to 25% pay cut and then reneged. It's all his fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

If it was in his contract then yeah he really should have done.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Really disappointing statement from the club.

Attempting to throw Anthony Limbrick under a bus.

In case you didn't pick it up the club are saying "AL should have moved to Grimsby. He agreed to 25% pay cut and then reneged. It's all his fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

In fairness, if he is in breach of contract, as the club are implying, that is grounds to criticise him.

I'm sure in one of the fan forums when Jolley was announced he said that him and Anthony were both moving to the area.

So what was the Matt Dean tweet about citing costcutting from Mr Day?

Quoted from pontoonlew

In fairness that clears some of it up, but why on earth has it taken 24hrs to put that out? urine poor

Since it says he's on full time furlough and negotiations are ongoing, it seems like a certain reporter has been excrement stirring again.

Doesn't really seem like a statement was needed until the rumour mill went crazy after the tweets

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Really disappointing statement from the club.

Attempting to throw Anthony Limbrick under a bus.

In case you didn't pick it up the club are saying "AL should have moved to Grimsby. He agreed to 25% pay cut and then reneged. It's all his fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

It's only disappointing to you because it gives the facts behind the decision, and you can't now spout your "in the know" rubbish to beat the board with.

As for the timing, I think that his departure came out in social media before the club announced it, so they have had to play catch up.

He was commuting from London, which is far from ideal. I suspect that the toll of all the travelling has taken its toll on both Limbrick and Holloway and the club, so it comes as no surprise that this has happened.

Quoted from pen penfras

Since it says he's on full time furlough and negotiations are ongoing, it seems like a certain reporter has been excrement stirring again.

Doesn't really seem like a statement was needed until the rumour mill went crazy after the tweets

Exactly.

After reading that statement I fully understand why Town got rid,

If its in his contract to move to the area he has had plenty of time to do that.

I wish him the best of luck to find a job down south where he wants to live.

Quoted from ginnywings

So what was the Matt Dean tweet about citing costcutting from Mr Day?

He must have spoken to Phillip Day to tweet that he had cited cost cutting.

Quoted from ginnywings

So what was the Matt Dean tweet about citing costcutting from Mr Day?

He said that before he read the fishy  ;)

Fair enough statement. It does clear some stuff up. If he has accomodation up here that is good enough contractually you’d think. Otherwise where do you draw the line? Everyone has to sell their property elsewhere? Ohman has to get a British passport?

Not sure ‘we can’t find an agreement paywise so we’re getting the state to pay for it’ is a particularly good look though.

Is he still leaving then ??

If Limbrick signed his name at the bottom of the piece of paper which included a clause that said he has to move to the area, then he is in breach of his contract then they have the right to get rid.

I cant quite see the reasoning for keeping him on full time furlough though. If he is a senior member of staff, and all other playing staff and players are back at work, then surely it would be easiest just to tear his contract up and wave goodbye.  Hes only been here 2 years so financially we owe him nothing.

I see Ollie says " “I was fully aware of the situation and involved in the decision making". I bet he is rubbing his hands together, working out how to get Ben davies to step up.

Let's take some happiness in what Ollie was saying in the article too. Ben Davies a first rate coach, Greg Howard the best sports scientist he has ever worked with. That is high praise from someone who, love him or hate him, has a great deal of experience at a very high level.

It's something to be positive about at least.

Well that clears that up. You conspiracy folk and gossipers must be very disappointed. Of course IH new about it and it’s obvious we'll be fine without him. He should have moved here if it was in his contract, end of. As Ollie says, he still has a great group of people around him.

Quoted from BlackAndWhiteAndRedAllOver

Let's take some happiness in what Ollie was saying in the article too. Ben Davies a first rate coach, Greg Howard the best sports scientist he has ever worked with. That is high praise from someone who, love him or hate him, has a great deal of experience at a very high level.

It's something to be positive about at least.

Statements like this will get you banned from TheFishy!

Quoted from pen penfras

Since it says he's on full time furlough and negotiations are ongoing, it seems like a certain reporter has been excrement stirring again.

Doesn't really seem like a statement was needed until the rumour mill went crazy after the tweets

Don't you think questions would have been asked after todays game when Limbrick isnt in the dugout?

Quoted from Davec

He must have spoken to Phillip Day to tweet that he had cited cost cutting.

That's the thing about journalists, they can take a statement and say as much or little as they want depending on what they want to twist the story into. If you read between the lines he probably got the same statement we did, it's just if it doesn't add the extra stuff about refusing to move to the area,the whole club agreeing to lower wages to cut costs and so on it sounds like AL is being pushed out. I think parts were removed in the tweet to make the club sound bad as the local media and Fishy love to do.

Thanks for the memories Anthony and good luck for the future. Whatever the truth it's a shame that the club can't get it's backside into gear and communicate more effectively. Really shouldn't come after 15 pages of rumour on here, but that's the standard for GTFC

Quoted from BlackAndWhiteAndRedAllOver

Let's take some happiness in what Ollie was saying in the article too. Ben Davies a first rate coach, Greg Howard the best sports scientist he has ever worked with. That is high praise from someone who, love him or hate him, has a great deal of experience at a very high level.

It's something to be positive about at least.

Well he's not going to come out and say they're excrement.

If he’s still on furlough but both parties don’t intend on him coming back he should be unfurloughed as it’s a job “retention” scheme after all, especially as the club are now contributing a proposition of his wage since the recent rule change.

Not his fault if he can’t afford to take a cut but everyone needs to move on.

Before Jolley was sacked, it was Jolley and Limbrick. After the sacking, it was Limbrick and Davies, then Ollie, Limbrick and Davies. So now, Ollie and Davies. Seems logical in many ways.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Well he's not going to come out and say they're excrement.

Of course not, but if he thought that they weren't good, he wouldn't go out of his way to compliment them. He'd most likely keep quiet

Quoted from BlackAndWhiteAndRedAllOver

Of course not, but if he thought that they weren't good, he wouldn't go out of his way to compliment them. He'd most likely keep quiet

Why, it's never stopped a chairman coming out with "the manager's job is safe" then sacking them within days.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Why, it's never stopped a chairman coming out with "the manager's job is safe" then sacking them within days.

But there is a clear difference between a manager's job and a chairman's job though, isn't there.

Plus, Ollie seems to be an honest sort of guy to me, I'd say that was certainly within his reputation. And let's not forget the wording here, if he'd have just said 'oh the other coaches are good', I'd maybe say you had a point, but 'best sports scientist I've ever worked with' would be a bit strong if you weren't all that keen on someone.

God forbid I try to be positive about the club that we support, why not take his comments at face value rather than trying to look under the surface to see if there's some sort of hidden message? Nine times out of ten there is no hidden message anyway!

I do think Ollie has a tendency to over exaggerate and he's gone on record to say that ALL fans rejected a season ticket refund. The true figure was about 85%. He's gone on record to say all players and staff unequivocally agreed to take a pay cut and it now appears that wasn't totally true.

However, I don't think he would come out with that kind of praise if our staff weren't up to much.

How many of us could, and/or would, be able to accept a 25% pay cut??? How many of the people saying the club are right on this issue would accept the same for their selves?

Feel sorry for Limbrick. I hope Ollie is going to be a good manager for Town, but he isn't any more omniscient that any of us. Let's be honest a lot of his comments to the press are just deflecting bluster. Feel the club and Ollie's comments on Limbrick are unfair. You can't simply tell an employee they have to accept a massive reduction to the wages they are entitled to in their contract and when they don't don't agree to that imply they are doing something wrong or unreasonable. Otherwise what's the point of a contract?

So, 'John (Con) won't have it'.  Is he writing off 25% of his benign loans? Thought not!

The board seem to want fans, players, employees to fund the club through altruism, but appear to be contributing nothing themselves.

How long is the 25% reduction for? Permanent? This season? Until crowds are back?

Limbrick did a good job as stand in manager. Brought back Vernam, who Jolley obviously didn't rate at all, who could have made a significant sum for the club if we had exercised the contract option and then got a fee for him. Instead he leaves for nothing due to the incompetence of the board! Who should be the ones taking a 25% pay cut?

Quoted from vernontown

How many of us could, and/or would, be able to accept a 25% pay cut??? How many of the people saying the club are right on this issue would accept the same for their selves?

Feel sorry for Limbrick. I hope Ollie is going to be a good manager for Town, but he isn't any more omniscient that any of us. Let's be honest a lot of his comments to the press are just deflecting bluster. Feel the club and Ollie's comments on Limbrick are unfair. You can't simply tell an employee they have to accept a massive reduction to the wages they are entitled to in their contract and when they don't don't agree to that imply they are doing something wrong or unreasonable. Otherwise what's the point of a contract?

So, 'John (Con) won't have it'.  Is he writing off 25% of his benign loans? Thought not!

The board seem to want fans, players, employees to fund the club through altruism, but appear to be contributing nothing themselves.

How long is the 25% reduction for? Permanent? This season? Until crowds are back?

Limbrick did a good job as stand in manager, who Jolley obviously didn't rate at all, who could have made a significant sum for the club if we had exercised the contract option and then got a fee for him. Instead he leaves for nothing due to the incompetence of the board! Who should be the ones taking a 25% pay cut?

It sounds like everyone was taking the hit and I get that AL’s circumstances made this hard so he’s got a choice, to be fair if the club wanted to take him to consultation re his salary they possibly could especially as everyone else has taken a reduction.

Did he do a good job as stand in? Not sure TBH did we win a game under him, can’t quite remember?

Quoted from vernontown

How many of us could, and/or would, be able to accept a 25% pay cut??? How many of the people saying the club are right on this issue would accept the same for their selves?

Feel sorry for Limbrick. I hope Ollie is going to be a good manager for Town, but he isn't any more omniscient that any of us. Let's be honest a lot of his comments to the press are just deflecting bluster. Feel the club and Ollie's comments on Limbrick are unfair. You can't simply tell an employee they have to accept a massive reduction to the wages they are entitled to in their contract and when they don't don't agree to that imply they are doing something wrong or unreasonable. Otherwise what's the point of a contract?

So, 'John (Con) won't have it'.  Is he writing off 25% of his benign loans? Thought not!

The board seem to want fans, players, employees to fund the club through altruism, but appear to be contributing nothing themselves.

How long is the 25% reduction for? Permanent? This season? Until crowds are back?

Limbrick did a good job as stand in manager. Brought back Vernam, who Jolley obviously didn't rate at all, who could have made a significant sum for the club if we had exercised the contract option and then got a fee for him. Instead he leaves for nothing due to the incompetence of the board! Who should be the ones taking a 25% pay cut?

Limbrick I fear is the first of many that’s likely to leave and say no to a non negotiable forced pay cut.

Quoted from BlackAndWhiteAndRedAllOver

But there is a clear difference between a manager's job and a chairman's job though, isn't there.

Plus, Ollie seems to be an honest sort of guy to me, I'd say that was certainly within his reputation. And let's not forget the wording here, if he'd have just said 'oh the other coaches are good', I'd maybe say you had a point, but 'best sports scientist I've ever worked with' would be a bit strong if you weren't all that keen on someone.

God forbid I try to be positive about the club that we support, why not take his comments at face value rather than trying to look under the surface to see if there's some sort of hidden message? Nine times out of ten there is no hidden message anyway!

Not in terms of management structure.  The manager reports to the chairman and the assistant manager reports to the manager.

After 50 odd years of supporting Town I have learned to treat many comments that come from the management structure with a pinch of salt.

It’s always been interesting how people are happy to to accept whatever the club says as gospel, similarly, at the minute it appears that whatever a holloway says must be right because 10 years ago he got a team promoted to the premier league.

I suspect the club have thrown Limbrick under a bus in some ways. He has been unable to accept the 25% so has requested that he receives 100% of the wages he is entitled to. Did the club go through a proper consolation period to ensure that if someone isn’t happy they can still enforce the pay cut or did they just do their usual and plead poverty and hope the good will of employees shone through?

If holloway didn’t want Limbrick or wasn’t happy then say that he wasn’t part of his plans, say there was a clash of ideas, but again, because most of what holloway says publicly is bluster it’s hard to fully gauge the response.

We’ve seen recently with the clubs attitude to Shutes that if you don’t play to their tune then they’ll go pour of their way to put you down. The club have been open about their belief in setting a small budget, about offering Covid contracts, believing their way is THE way to run a club...that’s fine but it’s sometimes a little arrogant when clearly it’s not fact.

As with all clubs, these people come and go, sadly some folk at GTFC have been around too long and it’s hampering the clubs progression but fans remain the only constant.

I’d imagine most of us would’ve been similar to Limbrick regarding a large pay cut and I don’t think he ever let us down. I’m sure he’ll find work elsewhere and again, I’d imagine most of us wish him all the best.

Side note; are any other clubs actively and publicly ‘moaning’ about the financial impact? Are any actively discussing Covid cut backs and contracts? Are there any other clubs who’ve had fans dip their hands in pockets to essentially hand over free cash?

This isn’t me having a dig either, it’s a genuine set of questions. I’ve had a look but can’t really find out anything...

For your 3 questions, yes to all. Perhaps spend some of your time reading what other clubs have to say rather than repeating yourself constantly to beat ours up like we're the only ones having a tough time.

Quoted from pen penfras

For your 3 questions, yes to all. Perhaps spend some of your time reading what other clubs have to say rather than repeating yourself constantly to beat ours up like we're the only ones having a tough time.

Ever thought that perhaps people are just flipping fed up with the urine poor leadership, lack of progressive thinking and stagnation of the club for years? You don’t have to sit in their bottom all the time. There’s a very much longer list of failings and mistakes than successes over the last 20 odd years.

We do appear to be the only ones outwardly bleating on about the tough times and literally within two/three weeks of lockdown purposes came statement pissing on any potential optimism that fans may have.

Perhaps people that feel they don’t want to have a pop at the club should begin to understand that there’s plenty of us can see that the club is just existing. Barely treading water and simply have ambition for it. Having a dig at people who don’t sing the clubs praises from the roof tops or think everything they do is wonderful isn’t really necessary. The whole point is about opinions.

Quoted from aldi_01

Ever thought that perhaps people are just flipping fed up with the urine poor leadership, lack of progressive thinking and stagnation of the club for years? You don’t have to sit in their bottom all the time. There’s a very much longer list of failings and mistakes than successes over the last 20 odd years.

We do appear to be the only ones outwardly bleating on about the tough times and literally within two/three weeks of lockdown purposes came statement pissing on any potential optimism that fans may have.

Perhaps people that feel they don’t want to have a pop at the club should begin to understand that there’s plenty of us can see that the club is just existing. Barely treading water and simply have ambition for it. Having a dig at people who don’t sing the clubs praises from the roof tops or think everything they do is wonderful isn’t really necessary. The whole point is about opinions.

We only appear that way because you're not looking at any other club. Nothing at league 1 or 2 level makes national press. I live away from the area and lots of clubs nearby to me and they are all saying the same things and having the same problems. You're just a miserable old fornicator that thinks the more you repeat yourself, the more your opinion is right. We get it, you've said what you think, go kick the cat or or find something else to do, because repeating yourself isn't going to make a jot of difference and it's quite frankly, boring.

Quoted from pen penfras

We only appear that way because you're not looking at any other club. Nothing at league 1 or 2 level makes national press. I live away from the area and lots of clubs nearby to me and they are all saying the same things and having the same problems. You're just a miserable old fornicator that thinks the more you repeat yourself, the more your opinion is right. We get it, you've said what you think, go kick the cat or or find something else to do, because repeating yourself isn't going to make a jot of difference and it's quite frankly, boring.

Ironic...

I have decent knowledge of football and I read a lot of football news that isn't related to Grimsby Town. It does appear that we are moaning more than others but then again, it will appear that way because I listen to every interview and read every article of ours.

We know that Port Vale aren't inserting Covid clauses into every contract but I don't know much about the other 22 clubs contractual stance but I'm sure we aren't alone in our insistence for that.

The Limbrick situation is a tough one and nobody knows what he earns but we can safely say it's not a huge amount. Unless you are earning hundreds of thousands, a 25% pay cut is a huge pill to swallow when you have the everyday expenses associated with going to work. If the other non-playing staff have agreed to it, then I can see how it could impact morale around the place. Ben Davies had a great career and Holloway has earned a fortune as a manager so it's probably much easier for them to accept a pay cut than 36 year old Limbrick who emigrated to England in a quest to make it as a professional footballer. A bad leg break put an end to that dream and he's pursued a career as a very promising coach whilst (probably) earning very little money for the most part and having to make huge financial sacrifices.

[quote=140128]For your 3 questions, yes to all. Perhaps spend some of your time reading what other clubs have to say rather than repeating yourself constantly to beat ours up like we're the only ones having a tough time.[/quote

Erm when I spoke to my buddy at the club, I was told that there is no consultation just enforcement of a pay cut plus lots of other things going on that probably won’t come out as everything is always hidden away with regards a certain directors behaviour.

Quoted from pen penfras

We only appear that way because you're not looking at any other club. Nothing at league 1 or 2 level makes national press. I live away from the area and lots of clubs nearby to me and they are all saying the same things and having the same problems. You're just a miserable old fornicator that thinks the more you repeat yourself, the more your opinion is right. We get it, you've said what you think, go kick the cat or or find something else to do, because repeating yourself isn't going to make a jot of difference and it's quite frankly, boring.

What a bizarre response to a poster who questions something that isn't the normal.
It's a forum where people will post opposing views which they are totally entitled to do.
Your response seems to insult them.

Quoted from aldi_01

It’s always been interesting how people are happy to to accept whatever the club says as gospel, similarly, at the minute it appears that whatever a holloway says must be right because 10 years ago he got a team promoted to the premier league.

I suspect the club have thrown Limbrick under a bus in some ways. He has been unable to accept the 25% so has requested that he receives 100% of the wages he is entitled to. Did the club go through a proper consolation period to ensure that if someone isn’t happy they can still enforce the pay cut or did they just do their usual and plead poverty and hope the good will of employees shone through?

If holloway didn’t want Limbrick or wasn’t happy then say that he wasn’t part of his plans, say there was a clash of ideas, but again, because most of what holloway says publicly is bluster it’s hard to fully gauge the response.

We’ve seen recently with the clubs attitude to Shutes that if you don’t play to their tune then they’ll go pour of their way to put you down. The club have been open about their belief in setting a small budget, about offering Covid contracts, believing their way is THE way to run a club...that’s fine but it’s sometimes a little arrogant when clearly it’s not fact.

As with all clubs, these people come and go, sadly some folk at GTFC have been around too long and it’s hampering the clubs progression but fans remain the only constant.

I’d imagine most of us would’ve been similar to Limbrick regarding a large pay cut and I don’t think he ever let us down. I’m sure he’ll find work elsewhere and again, I’d imagine most of us wish him all the best.

Side note; are any other clubs actively and publicly ‘moaning’ about the financial impact? Are any actively discussing Covid cut backs and contracts? Are there any other clubs who’ve had fans dip their hands in pockets to essentially hand over free cash?

This isn’t me having a dig either, it’s a genuine set of questions. I’ve had a look but can’t really find out anything...

Well said, completely agree.

Quoted from pen penfras

We only appear that way because you're not looking at any other club. Nothing at league 1 or 2 level makes national press. I live away from the area and lots of clubs nearby to me and they are all saying the same things and having the same problems. You're just a miserable old fornicator that thinks the more you repeat yourself, the more your opinion is right. We get it, you've said what you think, go kick the cat or or find something else to do, because repeating yourself isn't going to make a jot of difference and it's quite frankly, boring.

Aren’t you on the GTFC board/that miserable old fecker that told a fan to shut up at a fans’ forum? If so, this reply also epitomises why you’re completely unfit to hold a position at our club.

Quoted from davmariner

Aren’t you on the GTFC board/that miserable old fecker that told a fan to shut up at a fans’ forum? If so, this reply also epitomises why you’re completely unfit to hold a position at our club.

No, I have no involvement with the club. Apparently it's just unthinkable to a cynical few that I might not think everything the club does is wrong and hence I must be involved with the club. When I think they are wrong, I just stay quiet because enough people moan about everything as it is.

Quoted from Stadium

What a bizarre response to a poster who questions something that isn't the normal.
It's a forum where people will post opposing views which they are totally entitled to do.
Your response seems to insult them.

Your right this is a forum for different opinions. Long may it continue. However there are a few posters whose genetics are inherently cynical. They repeatedly bring that to the forum no matter whose in charge and frankly it is tiring.  They are that way for reasons only known to them. These are completely new and testing times with challenges unprecedented in my lifetime - mistakes are going to be made at all levels. I am not forcing anybody to like Holloway but I like being informed of the challenges facing the club if I am honest. He gives so much to his interviews where you get his positivity and frustrations in equal measure, but I accept that the cynics will see this as moaning. I have no clue if other managers are doing the same and frankly I dont care.  I have been around the block a bit but I am still in the camp that firmly believe we are lucky to have him as manager and his experience. I like the fact that he is re-building a young team based on experience and potential. He is the sort of character that will make himself available to be shot at and we are sadly seeing some of that. However like I say it's a forum for opposing views and there is no doubt we have been relatively starved of success. We may have to be patient during this period but I am pretty hopeful that Holloway will deliver.

Quoted from pen penfras

No, I have no involvement with the club. Apparently it's just unthinkable to a cynical few that I might not think everything the club does is wrong and hence I must be involved with the club. When I think they are wrong, I just stay quiet because enough people moan about everything as it is.

There are certain things, bizarre things that Fenty says, read through this posters messages as it’s either Fenty or someone posting on his behalf. Having listened to Fenty for 20 years you get to know his style of response.

Its been clear and obvious for a long time that pen penfras is either a board member, Fenty, or someone related/close to Fenty.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just a little strange to still pretend otherwise.

Never even used to post about football-related topics (only appeared to defend JF) until recently.

If its just a friend/relative of Fenty, and not the man himself, there wouldn't be anything wrong with occasionally recognising the club haven't been right. Its ok to criticise or discuss shortcomings after reflection. And the failure to do that in the boardroom itself is actually a major contributor to the way things are run.