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Why wouldn`t anyone who is able to donate a few pounds be willing to help?
The club is in a good place regarding the manager and we saw a lot of improvement in the way we played before Covid-19 shut us down. Now we have a chance to help the club towards a proud future by donating what we can afford, and by that assure that we all have the best possible club in every way when things get started again.
I believe in the cause and I really hope we can unite and back this campaign.

For the love of Grimsby Town Football Club!(groupwave)

Quoted from aldi_01

It’s a firm no...

Ditto

Quoted from geir

Why wouldn`t anyone who is able to donate a few pounds be willing to help?
The club is in a good place regarding the manager and we saw a lot of improvement in the way we played before Covid-19 shut us down. Now we have a chance to help the club towards a proud future by donating what we can afford, and by that assure that we all have the best possible club in every way when things get started again.
I believe in the cause and I really hope we can unite and back this campaign.

For the love of Grimsby Town Football Club!(groupwave)

My thoughts too but it seems we’re firmly in the minority on here. However I see that over £3,000 has now been donated by fellow like thinking fans. #UTM

I don’t care what’s been thrown in my face previously! That’s a bit too precious for me . Gtfc will be here long after I’ve gone and also the man you’re on about moosey !!

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

I don’t care what’s been thrown in my face previously! That’s a bit too precious for me . Gtfc will be here long after I’ve gone and also the man you’re on about moosey !!

And likely without the creation of an unnecessary crowd funder...

Quoted from TuckerJenkins

I'd be happy to chip in if it was officially endorsed

The club have retweeted it and in fact it’s their pinned tweet and this is it:

“Thank you for this fantastic initiative! As @RichardLadd_1 has said, everything and anything that can be contributed will help. We thank you ALL! #GTFC.”

Also club captain Macca has also endorsed it. #UTM

Of course the club will endorse free money...they did last time...

Nice idea.. I wont be donating but I will go onto the club website and buy my son a full kit instead (this was never a plan of mine if I'm honest so in a sense you've helped the club in the sales department aswell there).. I personally (justt my opinion) would rather spend extra money in the club shop online than send money to a crowd funder page, again just my personal opinion and I applaud anyone who does anything for the club in these tough times.

Quoted from aldi_01

Of course the club will endorse free money...they did last time...

Isn’t that the whole point? Yes it’s free money when the club has no income of any sort in unprecedented times. It’s to benefit our beloved club for goodness sake.

I’m going to buy shares instead - probably around what a season ticket would cost. I can’t see the next season being one we’ll be able to attend as spectators.

Quoted from LH

I’m going to buy shares instead - probably around what a season ticket would cost. I can’t see the next season being one we’ll be able to attend as spectators.

This is an interesting point...I noticed they were still on sale...I’m not saying you’re going to but what would happen if you bought £1m worth? What is their actual value? Genuine curiosity and I know it was discussed a while back...

Quoted from GrimExile

God I would never ever suggest at any time, never mind this current crisis, that anyone should donate. However I find your reasons for not doing so, because the board would throw it back in your face, quite amazing and if you genuinely think that very sad. Sorry. #UTM

As i am sure you are fully aware..... the view of the board following O.P....... "the worst thing that has happened to this club" or words very similar/ close to that effect.

So they arent getting another freebie donation off me until every last one of them has gone. I will pay for products, tickets, programmes, merchandise etc but the complete lack of respect and gratitude last time we did something just short of miraculous for the club won't be forgotten by me.

So... are we buying Bogle again then?

Quoted from moosey_club

As i am sure you are fully aware..... the view of the board following O.P....... "the worst thing that has happened to this club" or words very similar/ close to that effect.

So they arent getting another freebie donation off me until every last one of them has gone. I will pay for products, tickets, programmes, merchandise etc but the complete lack of respect and gratitude last time we did something just short of miraculous for the club won't be forgotten by me.

And with that money we bought Bogle who’s 2 goals got us back in the football league. Sorry you’re talking rubbish.

Will be donating about half a seasons ticket money. Cant see us being allowed back in much before the end of the year. Would have spent that anyway.....

each to their own on doantions, but Im in.

Quoted from GrimExile

And with that money we bought Bogle who’s 2 goals got us back in the football league. Sorry you’re talking rubbish.

I mean he’s not, but each to their own. Whether it bought Bogle or not, the club, the Lord Almighty himself poo pooed the money raised through OP and refused to acknowledge it was fan organised, off the cuff campaign that led to us purchasing a player who was part of a side that got us promotion. The club’s contempt for OP was there for all to see...

Quoted from aldi_01

I mean he’s not, but each to their own. Whether it bought Bogle or not, the club, the Lord Almighty himself poo pooed the money raised through OP and refused to acknowledge it was fan organised, off the cuff campaign that led to us purchasing a player who was part of a side that got us promotion. The club’s contempt for OP was there for all to see...

Then why was John Fenty at the OP party at McMenemy’s thanking everyone then?

Quoted from GrimExile

Then why was John Fenty at the OP party at McMenemy’s thanking everyone then?

At the time he did, and he knew it was £120k of free cash...soon changed his tune...

The happy clappers have resurfaced with Grimexile as their spokesman. Give yourself a good slapping and do some research into what was said at the time. Can’t believe anyone would contemplate doing this.

Quoted from realist

The happy clappers have resurfaced with Grimexile as their spokesman. Give yourself a good slapping and do some research into what was said at the time. Can’t believe anyone would contemplate doing this.

I am just staggered that people will blame the board for everything. We have a club that Ian Holloway says is the best run club he has ever been involved with and if it’s good enough for him then it’s good enough for me. Yes question board decisions, but there are many people who are so anti the board and John Fenty in particular that they won’t admit that actually at our level we are very well run.

Maybe the issue with OP was the name & the pressure it put on the team, not the fact that the fans raised a massive amount of money to fund Bogle's transfer.

The Trust were involved in OP and were going to set another fund up for the current situation, they just happened to be beaten to it by the lad that's set this one up. Surely if it was that much of a problem, they wouldn't have bothered.

There'll be reasons why people can't or don't want to contribute, be it financial or whatever and I have no issue with that, I don't know what people's individual circumstances are.

If you want to donate - fine, donate.

If you don't want to donate - fine, don't.

How about just respecting people's choices and not criticising them for it?

ATAW.

Quoted from GrimExile

I am just staggered that people will blame the board for everything. We have a club that Ian Holloway says is the best run club he has ever been involved with and if it’s good enough for him then it’s good enough for me. Yes question board decisions, but there are many people who are so anti the board and John Fenty in particular that they won’t admit that actually at our level we are very well run.

I've said for years that for all that for all of Fenty's criticisms he has ran a tight ship, we don't haemorrhage money and right now their pragmatic approach is ensuring we ride this storm. Day was only saying on Friday night that we don't anticipate kicking a ball in anger until October!

Quoted from thefish

So... are we buying Bogle again then?

No, we’re in for the Lebanese international Omar Bugiel but if we got £50k we’d move in for the Gaza Strip.

I’m sure if Holly turned his painting skills to street art like Banksy we’d make a million. UTM

Ian Holloway did say the Oystons were decent too...just throwing that out there...

Quoted from GrimExile

We have a club that Ian Holloway says is the best run club he has ever been involved with

Well in that case there's no need to pass the hat round then is there? After all if Saint Ian says it then it must be true

Quoted from aldi_01

I mean he’s not, but each to their own. Whether it bought Bogle or not, the club, the Lord Almighty himself poo pooed the money raised through OP and refused to acknowledge it was fan organised, off the cuff campaign that led to us purchasing a player who was part of a side that got us promotion. The club’s contempt for OP was there for all to see...

Sorry mate but as someone who worked day to day on Operation Promotion I can tell you that without the club's active support a fair few of the rewards on offer wouldn't have been possible. Hardly the actions of a body that was dead set against the crowdfunder. At the time the club were regularly sending messages of support and thanking fans for their efforts.

My own personal opinion is whilst I wholeheartedly admire and concur with the reasoning as to why this has been put in place - there’s some elements that I need more clarification on before contributing. Everyone knows the Town support will help the club, renowned for it - but I feel there is a reluctance/apprehension/scepticism..whatever for some due to the last episode, which although the club did support - the hard work and appreciation of the few behind it was taken back by alleged comments by board members after. I’d like to see Bax’s thoughts in this in particular.

Of course that was then - this is now. Different reasons and urgency (I guess) as to the need and desire. Maybe the approach from those at the top has changed, their perspective and view/appreciation of the support now more understood because of current climate. Let’s hope so.

I really think with crowdfunding you should be more clear on what the money will be used for and why. There are so many vague crowdfunders that vanish into a black hole and you never really know what good it did. At least in the past the idea of buying players and helping the team get promoted was there so you had some idea why you were donating.

This just feels like donate money and never see anything for it. It's about the same as those scam charity collectors on the streets of various countries in Europe that tourists freely hand over cash to with no idea what for ;D.

For all we know this will do little more than pay the shareholders, of which the fans used to be until the few were talked into selling those shares to the majority shareholder and made a decision for the many without a vote.

Quoted from Kris2

I really think with crowdfunding you should be more clear on what the money will be used for and why. There are so many vague crowdfunders that vanish into a black hole and you never really know what good it did. At least in the past the idea of buying players and helping the team get promoted was there so you had some idea why you were donating.

This just feels like donate money and never see anything for it. It's about the same as those scam charity collectors on the streets of various countries in Europe that tourists freely hand over cash to with no idea what for ;D.

For all we know this will do little more than pay the shareholders, of which the fans used to be until the few were talked into selling those shares to the majority shareholder and made a decision for the many without a vote.

I'm pretty sure there was a vote

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I've said for years that for all that for all of Fenty's criticisms he has ran a tight ship, we don't haemorrhage money and right now their pragmatic approach is ensuring we ride this storm. Day was only saying on Friday night that we don't anticipate kicking a ball in anger until October!

Didn't we urine around £3,000,000 up the wall by getting relegated into the Conference? You can correct me if I'm wrong but I am sure it was mentioned be a board member ;) after the Burton game we would lose £500,000 a season by not being in the Football League

Quoted from Kris2

I really think with crowdfunding you should be more clear on what the money will be used for and why. There are so many vague crowdfunders that vanish into a black hole and you never really know what good it did. At least in the past the idea of buying players and helping the team get promoted was there so you had some idea why you were donating.

This just feels like donate money and never see anything for it. It's about the same as those scam charity collectors on the streets of various countries in Europe that tourists freely hand over cash to with no idea what for ;D.

For all we know this will do little more than pay the shareholders, of which the fans used to be until the few were talked into selling those shares to the majority shareholder and made a decision for the many without a vote.

If you are referring to the shares held by the Trust, I thought they gave them away to JF, not sold them?

Quoted from marinerjase

My own personal opinion is whilst I wholeheartedly admire and concur with the reasoning as to why this has been put in place - there’s some elements that I need more clarification on before contributing. Everyone knows the Town support will help the club, renowned for it - but I feel there is a reluctance/apprehension/scepticism..whatever for some due to the last episode, which although the club did support - the hard work and appreciation of the few behind it was taken back by alleged comments by board members after. I’d like to see Bax’s thoughts in this in particular.

Of course that was then - this is now. Different reasons and urgency (I guess) as to the need and desire. Maybe the approach from those at the top has changed, their perspective and view/appreciation of the support now more understood because of current climate. Let’s hope so.

The football club is bigger and more important than any one of us. As long as Mr. Day or anyone else associated with the club doesn`t use the money for their personal gain I don`t care what happened in the past. Should comments in the past - however unfair or unjust - be the reason for, putting it bluntly, the club going under? I don`t think so, and I would like to think that no person calling themselves a "fan" of Grimsby Town would like that to happen either.

Quoted from Ipswin

Well in that case there's no need to pass the hat round then is there? After all if Saint Ian says it then it must be true

Do I take it you don’t rate Ian Holloway then Ipswin?

It's natural that people want to help out in some way, you have seen that all around the country with people helping one another. I don't see any other way of helping the club through this time so am happy to contribute.

If your favourite restaurant closes you can always find a similar one. Even if your church closed you could go to another one, but it doesn't work like that with football.

Nobody is asking for huge sums and it's completely voluntary. Just put in what you wouldnt miss. If you don't want to that's fine too.

Quoted from GrimRob

It's natural that people want to help out in some way, you have seen that all around the country with people helping one another. I don't see any other way of helping the club through this time so am happy to contribute.

If your favourite restaurant closes you can always find a similar one. Even if your church closed you could go to another one, but it doesn't work like that with football.

Nobody is asking for huge sums and it's completely voluntary. Just put in what you wouldnt miss. If you don't want to that's fine too.

But its the best run club in the country and they have it covered apparently...so its not going out of business is it ? How about the actual directors of the club actually put some money up for once if its needed instead of relying on JF or a fans whip round to cover any/all debt ?

Back to GrimExile....members of the board dismissed OP in the way i stated, i even seem to recall another member of the board also said the money wasnt even used to buy Bogle but just went into the coffers and couldnt specifically have been ring fenced for that.

Anyway, each to their own this time round.

I was due to play golf on the Hotchkin course at Woodhall Spa this Thursday which has been cancelled, i will donate the £57.50 to the club instead, putting all personal opinions to one side i want the club to survive, if Richard can raise £50,000 that will go a long way towards survival, several other clubs will not survive, i don't want Town to be one of them.

Given recent events, I simply could not support this. Good luck to Grimexile and that, those that know, know.

I take it the club are not raising this money but purely a fan of Gtfc,do we know much about this guy

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

I take it the club are not raising this money but purely a fan of Gtfc,do we know much about this guy

Don’t you know his secret too?

This is one of those divisive subjects, but here is my two penneth for what it is worth.

Before committing any money to what I'm sure is a very worthy cause, I'd like to understand where the money is going first. Is it to boost the budget? I know Darlington are doing this, and have done this successfully over the past few years or is this just free money for nothing?

I would prefer this to handed to the Trust as a Trust initiative. The final figure donated being used as a donation via the purchase of shares, something in hindsight the OP money should have been invested in this way.

I’ve got faith that the wedge I’ve put into the club this afternoon will only be used for the good of the club . Some will obviously say I’m naive but I don’t care !!

When you give to a charity of your choice I’m sure people do not expect it to be spent on one particular project, it goes into one pot and is used by the charity as they see fit.

Quoted from Gaffer58

When you give to a charity of your choice I’m sure people do not expect it to be spent on one particular project, it goes into one pot and is used by the charity as they see fit.

Good point.
I'll pass thanks

Philip Day has indicated ........"the money will be used on outgoings at a time when club income is down by 50%" ......so could be wages, could be the leccy bill, it will just be used as cash income and spent on whatever bill goes red first i guess.

Quoted from GrimExile

And with that money we bought Bogle who’s 2 goals got us back in the football league. Sorry you’re talking rubbish.

We know that but apparently according to Mr Marley it didn’t happen like that. If you were there at that infamous forum, or watched/listened to it on-line you would know what he said. Our esteemed former non-non-Chairman didn’t take the opportunity to correct him.

Quoted from GrimExile

Then why was John Fenty at the OP party at McMenemy’s thanking everyone then?

Because he was basking in the reflected glory

I would find it hard to donate with the present regime. If the club folds and if people want to resurrect it, it will be reborn.

I thought the whole arm-twisting situation when the Trust gave him those shares was wrong. I was happy to chip in with Op Promotion in the interest of letting bygones be bygones, trying to be positive about the future and look at what happened.

You make the decisions John. It’s your toy.

Quoted from GrimExile

And with that money we bought Bogle who’s 2 goals got us back in the football league. Sorry you’re talking rubbish.

Did we or did we not purchase Omar from op.Can somebody plz enlighten me plz.
Is it really worth putting money into the fundraiser ?
Is any of the board putting money into the fundraiser ?

All the best for the guy who’s started the fundraiser,personally I would prefer the mariners trust to run the crowdfunder BUT this guy got there first

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

Quoted from GrimExile

And with that money we bought Bogle who’s 2 goals got us back in the football league. Sorry you’re talking rubbish.

Did we or did we not purchase Omar from op.Can somebody plz enlighten me plz.
Is it really worth putting money into the fundraiser ?
Is any of the board putting money into the fundraiser ?

All the best for the guy who’s started the fundraiser,personally I would prefer the mariners trust to run the crowdfunder BUT this guy got there first

No. It was stated at the fans forum Nov 2017, by the top table (Mr Marley i think) that Omar had already been scouted and identified & budgeted for when the season budget was set and the O.P monies therefore werent needed for that and went elsewhere in the running costs.

Thanks for that moosey

Almost at the £10,000 mark

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I would find it hard to donate with the present regime. If the club folds and if people want to resurrect it, it will be reborn.

I thought the whole arm-twisting situation when the Trust gave him those shares was wrong. I was happy to chip in with Op Promotion in the interest of letting bygones be bygones, trying to be positive about the future and look at what happened.

You make the decisions John. It’s your toy.

They’ll be banishing you next for being negative and a doom merchant...ignoring that what you say is an opinion you’re entitled too, or often a fact...we all have to be happy clappers.

Interesting that yesterday I spoke with several town fans, some in a position of financial difficulty to some extent, a couple furloughed and some who’s economic situation hasn’t changed...(not) surprisingly, the ones who had donated were the ones who were currently in a economic/financial pressure state. Caught me by surprise to some extent.

What’s the phrase? Love is blind?

It’s just very odd that if someone criticised, raises questions or has a different view they’re a doom merchant. I was there that night Marley asked people ‘do you know who I am?’...when fans were told to shut up and the wheels literally came on and it was hard to watch. Far harder than seeing us lose 8-1 at Barnet or even Burton if I’m honest...many a fan lost their faith in the club, the board and things associated with them.

Few football fans stop going to watch their team, but many adapt different approaches. Some stop going to away games, others buy less in the club shop, some don’t really engage other than turning up at 14:58 on a Saturday and then leave...others continued as ever.

Nobody denies we love GTFC but sometimes it’s hard to like them.

Quoted from aldi_01

They’ll be banishing you next for being negative and a doom merchant...ignoring that what you say is an opinion you’re entitled too, or often a fact...we all have to be happy clappers.

Interesting that yesterday I spoke with several town fans, some in a position of financial difficulty to some extent, a couple furloughed and some who’s economic situation hasn’t changed...(not) surprisingly, the ones who had donated were the ones who were currently in a economic/financial pressure state. Caught me by surprise to some extent.

What’s the phrase? Love is blind?

It’s just very odd that if someone criticised, raises questions or has a different view they’re a doom merchant. I was there that night Marley asked people ‘do you know who I am?’...when fans were told to shut up and the wheels literally came on and it was hard to watch. Far harder than seeing us lose 8-1 at Barnet or even Burton if I’m honest...many a fan lost their faith in the club, the board and things associated with them.

Few football fans stop going to watch their team, but many adapt different approaches. Some stop going to away games, others buy less in the club shop, some don’t really engage other than turning up at 14:58 on a Saturday and then leave...others continued as ever.

Nobody denies we love GTFC but sometimes it’s hard to like them.

I was there too. The guy Marley was a complete member and an idiot. The whole ambushing of Matt Dean was an embarrassing episode for anyone connected with the club.

To me if Fenty controls the club then he is the one responsible for its survival. He twisted the Trust’s arms to get those shares. It’s a situation he wanted. Anyone giving money now is just giving him money in effect. At the end of it he still calls the shots.

We don’t know how long this situation is going to go on for. It might be a bottomless pit. I’d rather keep my hand in my pocket and wait to see what happens. If this were a bid by the Trust to take control of the club I’d think differently.

Quoted from moosey_club

No. It was stated at the fans forum Nov 2017, by the top table (Mr Marley i think) that Omar had already been scouted and identified & budgeted for when the season budget was set and the O.P monies therefore werent needed for that and went elsewhere in the running costs.

Does it really matter whether the money bought Omar, paid for Tomlinson to come in on loan or went towards paying the gas bill? It was a great scheme run by the fans, got national attention and ultimately we got promoted.

The problem came that because it was called "Operation Promotion" and fans had put their hands in their pocket to boost the budget, it created an expectancy that we would easily get promoted. After a promising start, we seemed to progressively worse over the season and a lot of hatred and negativity towards the club was fueled. I don't know what exact statements were made that are referred to, I've only seen what people write on here, but I'm sure they're not only comments made with regret, but also taken, at least partially, out of context

Quoted from pen penfras

Does it really matter whether the money bought Omar, paid for Tomlinson to come in on loan or went towards paying the gas bill? It was a great scheme run by the fans, got national attention and ultimately we got promoted.

The problem came that because it was called "Operation Promotion" and fans had put their hands in their pocket to boost the budget, it created an expectancy that we would easily get promoted. After a promising start, we seemed to progressively worse over the season and a lot of hatred and negativity
towards the club was fueled. I don't know what exact statements were made that are referred to, I've only seen what people write on here, but I'm sure they're not only comments made with regret, but also taken, at least partially, out of context

A Few questions for Mr Marley(shut up)

Did you not say Operation Promotion DID NOT PAY for Omar Bogle ?,who did then.

Where have the shares come from?

Are you as honourable as honest John ?

Although personally I am happy to make a donation, I totally respect the opinions of those fans that take the opposite view. The bigger question is how sustainable is football at our level ? I can honestly see 10+ league clubs that will go under if crowds are not let in before January 2021 a date that has been mentioned for the return of crowds by some political and scientific pundits. Also will GTFC get their act together and make the ground more hygenic with better toilets and hand washing facilities. I sincerely hope the money raised does not all go to paying wages etc, there must be a lot of things on the list of equal importance.

UTM

Quoted from TheCodfather1966

I sincerely hope the money raised does not all go to paying wages etc, there must be a lot of things on the list of equal importance.

UTM

Yes, a new Jacuzzi and steam room at Castle Fenty

And drawing up plans for another new ground that'll never happen. They don't come cheap!

I don't think fans in general realise how bad as place football clubs are in , with no cash flow for the last few months and the prospect of non in the next few months.
It's a recipe for disaster for all clubs.
Then i think this is a good idea, any money that goes into a club right now will help , it will go into the general pot but that's a good thing.
This is something a lot of clubs will have to do to keep afloat.

The Dutch Eredivisie clubs are not as tight as our Premier League giants

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/06/top-football-clubs-set-up-solidarity-fund-for-teams-stricken-by-coronavirus/

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Yes, a new Jacuzzi and steam room at Castle Fenty

And drawing up plans for another new ground that'll never happen. They don't come cheap!

I wonder how much has been wasted on the Great Coates and Peaks Parkway sites.

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Does it really matter whether the money bought Omar, paid for Tomlinson to come in on loan or went towards paying the gas bill? It was a great scheme run by the fans, got national attention and ultimately we got promoted.

The problem came that because it was called "Operation Promotion" and fans had put their hands in their pocket to boost the budget, it created an expectancy that we would easily get promoted. After a promising start, we seemed to progressively worse over the season and a lot of hatred and negativity towards the club was fueled. I don't know what exact statements were made that are referred to, I've only seen what people write on here, but I'm sure they're not only comments made with regret, but also taken, at least partially, out of context[/quote]

The comments weren't taken out of context in the slightest. At the Fan's Forum a fan said the OP money had bought Bogle. Stephen Marley said that the money didn't buy Bogle as the club had bought him before they'd received the OP funds. On SM's part he may have been factually correct but his declaration was very mean spirited towards the huge effort and commitment by the fans to raise the money and a really poor piece of PR. The fans didn't buy Bogle because of the timing of funds coming in was a technicality and nothing more. Our fans have a history of getting together to provide funds for the club like Bonetti, Waters etc and it would have been amazing if the fans were told they'd bought Omar and built a stronger bond at the club, but sadly it didn't happen and it will be a reason why there isn't quite the groundswell of support for the current crowdfunding efforts. SM needlessly left bad sentiments and if he was more adept at PR, he'd have said of course OP bought Omar. A little white lie technically, but a win win all round..

Quoted from Bigdog

[quote=140128]

Does it really matter whether the money bought Omar, paid for Tomlinson to come in on loan or went towards paying the gas bill? It was a great scheme run by the fans, got national attention and ultimately we got promoted.

The problem came that because it was called "Operation Promotion" and fans had put their hands in their pocket to boost the budget, it created an expectancy that we would easily get promoted. After a promising start, we seemed to progressively worse over the season and a lot of hatred and negativity towards the club was fueled. I don't know what exact statements were made that are referred to, I've only seen what people write on here, but I'm sure they're not only comments made with regret, but also taken, at least partially, out of context[/quote]

The comments weren't taken out of context in the slightest. At the Fan's Forum a fan said the OP money had bought Boigle. Stephen Marley said that the money didn't buy Bogle as the club had bought him before they'd received the OP funds. On SM's part he may have been factually correct but his declaration was very mean spirited towards the huge effort and commitment by the fans to raise the money and a really poor piece of PR. The fans didn't buy Bogle because of the timing of funds coming in was a technicality and nothing more. Our fans have a history of getting together to provide funds for the club like Bonetti, Waters etc and it would have been amazing if the fans were told they'd bought Omar and built a stronger bond at the club, but sadly it didn't happen and it will be a reason why there isn't quite the groundswell of support for the current crowdfunding efforts. SM needlessly left bad sentiments and if he was more adept at PR, he'd have said of course OP bought Omar. A little white lie technically, but a win win all round..

I agree that it wasn't good PR to say that even if it's technically true. But that's not one of the statements I'm talking about. People are saying that directors said OP was the worst thing that ever happened to the club and weren't on board with it, but the people actually involved with it said differently.

Quoted from pen penfras

Does it really matter whether the money bought Omar, paid for Tomlinson to come in on loan or went towards paying the gas bill? It was a great scheme run by the fans, got national attention and ultimately we got promoted.

The problem came that because it was called "Operation Promotion" and fans had put their hands in their pocket to boost the budget, it created an expectancy that we would easily get promoted. After a promising start, we seemed to progressively worse over the season and a lot of hatred and negativity towards the club was fueled. I don't know what exact statements were made that are referred to, I've only seen what people write on here, but I'm sure they're not only comments made with regret, but also taken, at least partially, out of context

I was answering a specific question, does it matter ultimately want the money went on ? No it doesnt, you are correct.
The money was raised to aid the club funds and it did that so it could easily have helped bring in Nolan who also helped us get over the line......i really dont care what it went on specifically, it was the fans responce after what felt like injustice vs Bristol, the fans could have turned then, lost interest , been dejected but by and large the fans response to the Bristol defeat was magnificent.

The point is the top table then rubbished that effort, belittled it as if it was insignificant and therefore there are those that want absolutely nothing to do with this latest whip round.

Quoted from pen penfras

I agree that it wasn't good PR to say that even if it's technically true. But that's not one of the statements I'm talking about. People are saying that directors said OP was the worst thing that ever happened to the cluband weren't on board with it, but the people actually involved with it said differently.

I’ve tried to avoid commenting on this but just as a statement of fact, a director said this to me in the board room at BP and I was very much involved in OP. I don’t want history to be rewritten.

EDIT - just to add, arguing over what happened in the past is pretty much pointless and it doesn’t help the situation the club finds itself in. I won’t be donating to any crowdfunder or anything similar but I’ll be buying a new shirt and contributing in a more appropriate way and I do hope the club manages to get out of this in a positive manner.

Maybe the OP money did not directly buy Bogle but, the club could have seen how the amount was building up and decided that any Bogle outlay would have been covered by the OP money at a later date.

It's easy to claim that the OP money didn't buy bogle after the event when it can't be proven one way or the other, and you have got the money. Maybe the club would have signed him without it, but maybe they wouldnt and the knowledge they had 6 figures coming in from that was what allowed them to go for it. marley clearly had an axe to grind when he made that claim. It's come home to roost now though.

As I’ve said, that ill fated night was a disaster and I genuinely don’t believe internally the club saw it that way. If they had they’d have taken it off YouTube and probably terminated the evening.

That night, aside from the odd person, the vast majority in that room lost a little bit of something they feel for the club. You could see it.

The sheer arrogance from the gentleman’s club was there for all to see. From Day telling us Extreme leisure would be building a new huge development and we’re the right people, to making some bold claim that an American wanted to buy us to Marley essentially mocking a fan because said Dan, who had been going to BP considerably longer than Marley, didn’t know who he was. Forgive me but of all the things to know about your club, unimportant board members aren’t usually one of them.

Then the comments about OP, then the open bullying of a bloke who did his job, then the mammary for tat arguing that followed...and the aftermath saw the club fall apart on the field too.

And again, I’d ask the question, who the intercourse is Marley, what does he bring to the table? What impact has he had in moving the club forward? What is his role? What’s his value to the club?

So yeh, whether the club meant to say OP wasn’t great, didn’t help, was the worst thing that happened and so on, it’s easy to see why people are reluctant to get behind crowd funders and the like.

You don’t dwell on the past but as mentioned, I won’t, and plenty others won’t be donating. I’ll buy my ST again and grab a shirt and possibly some other random excrement but that’s all.

Quoted from aldi_01

As I’ve said, that ill fated night was a disaster and I genuinely don’t believe internally the club saw it that way. If they had they’d have taken it off YouTube and probably terminated the evening.

That night, aside from the odd person, the vast majority in that room lost a little bit of something they feel for the club. You could see it.

The sheer arrogance from the gentleman’s club was there for all to see. From Day telling us Extreme leisure would be building a new huge development and we’re the right people, to making some bold claim that an American wanted to buy us to Marley essentially mocking a fan because said Dan, who had been going to BP considerably longer than Marley, didn’t know who he was. Forgive me but of all the things to know about your club, unimportant board members aren’t usually one of them.

Then the comments about OP, then the open bullying of a bloke who did his job, then the mammary for tat arguing that followed...and the aftermath saw the club fall apart on the field too.

And again, I’d ask the question, who the intercourse is Marley, what does he bring to the table? What impact has he had in moving the club forward? What is his role? What’s his value to the club?

So yeh, whether the club meant to say OP wasn’t great, didn’t help, was the worst thing that happened and so on, it’s easy to see why people are reluctant to get behind crowd funders and the like.

You don’t dwell on the past but as mentioned, I won’t, and plenty others won’t be donating. I’ll buy my ST again and grab a shirt and possibly some other random excrement but that’s all.

The evening was a shambles

Marley certainly came across every confrontational that evening "so you're calling me a liar?" And then yelling "shut up" at a fan and of course the lairy comment "fancy a fan not knowing my name"

Fenty bringing up out of nowhere the Curtis Woodhouse story totally unprovoked which perked up the people sat in the front row who then along with Russell Slade ganged up on Matt Dean, those people were all placed there by the club I feel and it was a clear ambush co-ordinated by Fenty and Slade, I also notice Fenty and Slade waited until Radio Humberside had finished broadcasting before starting the attack aided by their friends in the front row.

Of course the video is still on Youtube so the club clearly sees it as good PR, just shows how the club is run.

Quoted from bax

I’ve tried to avoid commenting on this but just as a statement of fact, a director said this to me in the board room at BP and I was very much involved in OP. I don’t want history to be rewritten.

EDIT - just to add, arguing over what happened in the past is pretty much pointless and it doesn’t help the situation the club finds itself in. I won’t be donating to any crowdfunder or anything similar but I’ll be buying a new shirt and contributing in a more appropriate way and I do hope the club manages to get out of this in a positive manner.

I'm sure it's in the public domain (JF secret recordings?) that the board regarded OP as welcome but hadn't changed how the club were going to operate that season (SM Fan's Forum?) and it raised too much pressure and expectation. We'll be having none of that expectancy or raised hopes malarky at GTFC..

Quoted from aldi_01

As I’ve said, that ill fated night was a disaster and I genuinely don’t believe internally the club saw it that way. If they had they’d have taken it off YouTube and probably terminated the evening.

That night, aside from the odd person, the vast majority in that room lost a little bit of something they feel for the club. You could see it.

The sheer arrogance from the gentleman’s club was there for all to see. From Day telling us Extreme leisure would be building a new huge development and we’re the right people, to making some bold claim that an American wanted to buy us to Marley essentially mocking a fan because said Dan, who had been going to BP considerably longer than Marley, didn’t know who he was. Forgive me but of all the things to know about your club, unimportant board members aren’t usually one of them.

Then the comments about OP, then the open bullying of a bloke who did his job, then the mammary for tat arguing that followed...and the aftermath saw the club fall apart on the field too.

And again, I’d ask the question, who the intercourse is Marley, what does he bring to the table? What impact has he had in moving the club forward? What is his role? What’s his value to the club?

So yeh, whether the club meant to say OP wasn’t great, didn’t help, was the worst thing that happened and so on, it’s easy to see why people are reluctant to get behind crowd funders and the like.

You don’t dwell on the past but as mentioned, I won’t, and plenty others won’t be donating. I’ll buy my ST again and grab a shirt and possibly some other random excrement but that’s all.

A PR guy he isn't, but I'm going to back SM up. He is integral to the running of the club by setting strict budgets to enable the club to squeeze as much as they can into the playing budget. I'm guessing when IH stated how well run the club is, he meant it didn't waste money like the other clubs he'd been at might have done. We know the frailties in other areas the club has, but SM will be part of what IH was alluding to along with JF checking every invoice..

Quoted from aldi_01

As I’ve said, that ill fated night was a disaster and I genuinely don’t believe internally the club saw it that way. If they had they’d have taken it off YouTube and probably terminated the evening.

That night, aside from the odd person, the vast majority in that room lost a little bit of something they feel for the club. You could see it.

The sheer arrogance from the gentleman’s club was there for all to see. From Day telling us Extreme leisure would be building a new huge development and we’re the right people, to making some bold claim that an American wanted to buy us to Marley essentially mocking a fan because said Dan, who had been going to BP considerably longer than Marley, didn’t know who he was. Forgive me but of all the things to know about your club, unimportant board members aren’t usually one of them.

Then the comments about OP, then the open bullying of a bloke who did his job, then the mammary for tat arguing that followed...and the aftermath saw the club fall apart on the field too.

And again, I’d ask the question, who the intercourse is Marley, what does he bring to the table? What impact has he had in moving the club forward? What is his role? What’s his value to the club?

So yeh, whether the club meant to say OP wasn’t great, didn’t help, was the worst thing that happened and so on, it’s easy to see why people are reluctant to get behind crowd funders and the like.

You don’t dwell on the past but as mentioned, I won’t, and plenty others won’t be donating. I’ll buy my ST again and grab a shirt and possibly some other random excrement but that’s all.

Well marley saves us an accountants bill each year I suppose is the main thing he offers, presumably.

Quoted from toontown

Well marley saves us an accountants bill each year I suppose is the main only thing he offers, presumably.

Amended for you, he certainly doesn't put his hand in his pocket

Why can't people on here let it go FFS.

If I want to donate then I will do, if you don't want to then don't. I am not going to let other people's opinions get in the way of what I see is fit and proper thing to do.

Why bring all this nonsense into it? It's become another board / Fenty bashing exercise like every other thread on here.

Quoted from mimma

Why can't people on here let it go FFS.

If I want to donate then I will do, if you don't want to then don't. I am not going to let other people's opinions get in the way of what I see is fit and proper thing to do.

Why bring all this nonsense into it? It's become another board / Fenty bashing exercise like every other thread on here.

I know I said I wasn’t going to post on here for a while because the negatively is seriously getting me down, but I must just say that I couldn’t agree with you more if I tried. Up the Mariners.

I donated money to try to ensure that GTFC survive . I couldn’t give a fook about Marley etc right now .

Quoted from mimma

Why can't people on here let it go FFS.

If I want to donate then I will do, if you don't want to then don't. I am not going to let other people's opinions get in the way of what I see is fit and proper thing to do.

Why bring all this nonsense into it? It's become another board / Fenty bashing exercise like every other thread on here.

Maybe if the board were not so mealy mouthed about the fans contribution, we wouldn't be having this apparent split between those that want to contribute, and those that feel once bitten, twice shy.

I'm sure OP did put a fair amount of pressure on the board to succeed that season, but somehow it worked and we got promoted. The noises coming from BP should have been a big well done to the fans for raising £100,000+ in double quick time and move onward and upward. But no, they had to let it be known that promotion was achieved despite the input of the fans, not because of it. That's almost certainly true, but they should have kept that to themselves and let the fans bask in the belief that they had played a major role in the success. It's just good PR.

If some folk are pointing out that they won't be contributing, and are stating the reason why, that's their prerogative. Each to their own.

Cutting a long story short I've fairly recently been 'homeless' for a very short time and now living alone so not got much money spare to just throw away.
So I've convinced myself I need a 'spring jacket' as I have the gtfc jumper, gtfc hoody and big gtfc coat so I've just bought that and a few other bits and bobs from the club shop amounting just over £35..
I know it isnt much but it is something extra for the club I guess.Once I get myself back on my feet and sorted then I'm sure i'll be able to donate or purchase more stuff to help our fantastic club.

Ps Kind of the reason I haven't been logged in for a long time on here but I guess the only way is up now! UTM!

I might get shot down for this but I don’t think the money raised between the crowdfunding and shares purchasing should be used to pay the players wages . Nothing against the players as I have sympathy for their plight but I feel the ££ should be used to for the upkeep of the clubs assets so that we’re ready to go when football starts again . The way things are looking it’s highly probable that we’ll be looking at an entirely new squad next year so paying the shortfall of wages won’t matter in the short term .

Quoted from mimma

Why can't people on here let it go FFS.

If I want to donate then I will do, if you don't want to then don't. I am not going to let other people's opinions get in the way of what I see is fit and proper thing to do.

Why bring all this nonsense into it? It's become another board / Fenty bashing exercise like every other thread on here.

I can understand your view points but to suggest people are posting nonsense is cobblers, it is in the public domain what the board said about a previous donation so stop trying to pretend otherwise.

I'm trying to pinpoint when exactly GTFC changed from a football club I support to a charity I'm expected to support.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I can understand your view points but to suggest people are posting nonsense is cobblers, it is in the public domain what the board said about a previous donation so stop trying to pretend otherwise.

Maybe it wasn't nonsense at the time, but after all this time, the constant and incessant barrage of abuse towards the board is quite frankly getting bloody monotonous.. It's every thread they pounce on anything to bring it back up again and again. If you can't say anything new, the say nothing, if just to pacify the majority of Town fans, and boring old farts like me.

Thank you

UP THE MARINERS!

Could I suggest we spend a couple of hundred of this money on a "only as good as you last game" banner to be displayed outside glanford park

Trust said that people put money into op to buy Omar Bogle
Shut up says we didn’t

So one of them our lying,I believe in Shutups statement ,if this is correct where’s the op money gone if we didn’t pay for Omar and who did.Wheres the money gone then.Ive bought one 100 share this time but it still haunts us OPERATION PROMOTION.

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

Trust said that people put money into op to buy Omar Bogle
Shut up says we didn’t

So one of them our lying,I believe in Shutups statement ,if this is correct where’s the op money gone if we didn’t pay for Omar and who did.Wheres the money gone then.Ive bought one 100 share this time but it still haunts us OPERATION PROMOTION.

It was 3 fooking years ago ffs . Does it really haunt you ffs ??!

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

Trust said that people put money into op to buy Omar Bogle
Shut up says we didn’t

So one of them our lying,I believe in Shutups statement ,if this is correct where’s the op money gone if we didn’t pay for Omar and who did.Wheres the money gone then.Ive bought one 100 share this time but it still haunts us OPERATION PROMOTION.

Well we launched Op promotion, we bought Omar and got promoted so what the hell does it matter what the £100k was used for. I think the thing that haunts some people is the insensitivity and lack of gratitude of the former none chairman, which is fair, but at some point we have to let it go. GTFC is one of many businesses struggling due to the virus but its at the heart of the community and I for one don't have a problem helping in any small way I can

First time I’ve read The Fishy in ages and not in the slightest bit surprised that a fundraiser for the club in probably the most precarious time in our entire history has sparked 10 pages of debate.

Raised about £40,000 so far.well done to all concerned

Quoted from forza ivano

Raised about £40,000 so far.well done to all concerned

I can see £11.3k on the crowdfunder, where's the rest from?

£28500 in shares also sold, that's the 40k...

Super effort. Along with some new kit sales to come, and people adding shares and donations all the time, as well as the efforts of the players and staff taking a pay cut and some fairly boring-yet-sensible financial management, there's grounds for optimism we might come out of this a lot better than some other clubs who have been stretching the financial elastic for perhaps too long.

Quoted from coddy60

£28500 in shares also sold, that's the 40k...

Cheers, that's a great effort, didn't realise they'd sold that many.

Quoted from HackneyHaddock

Super effort. Along with some new kit sales to come, and people adding shares and donations all the time, as well as the efforts of the players and staff taking a pay cut and some fairly boring-yet-sensible financial management, there's grounds for optimism we might come out of this a lot better than some other clubs who have been stretching the financial elastic for perhaps too long.

Lets just hope that the year end accounts dont reveal "a repayment of loans" in the outgoing column this year. ::)

Over £45,000 now,looks like it's really gathering momentum

Quoted from forza ivano

Over £45,000 now,looks like it's really gathering momentum

Typical Grimsby fans, we're the best in the world.

Ontop of the £45k I wonder how many others (like myself) have spent money online at the gtfc club shop as a way of giving. Would be interesting to know if sales are up for this time of year

https://twitter.com/MarinersTrust/status/1271878821361451011?s=19

Well thank **** for the Shares option as the original Crowdfunder has fallen well short of the £50000 target.
Admittedly a lot of people may have bought shares instead, so they actually get something for their money, rather than just giving it away with no return. But as there was a minimum option of £100 for the shares, that amount is far higher than many of the buyers would have donated to the Crowdfunder.
So well done to the person/s who came up with the Shares idea.

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Well thank **** for the Shares option as the original Crowdfunder has fallen well short of the £50000 target.
Admittedly a lot of people may have bought shares instead, so they actually get something for their money, rather than just giving it away with no return. But as there was a minimum option of £100 for the shares, that amount is far higher than many of the buyers would have donated to the Crowdfunder.
So well done to the person/s who came up with the Shares idea.

Plus when Shutes comes back looking to buy them all up as part of his hostile takeover bid everyone can make a couple of quid selling them on ;D

Quoted from moosey_club

Lets just hope that the year end accounts dont reveal "a repayment of loans" in the outgoing column this year. ::)

Well it shows on accounts that a large loan repayment is due,so I really hope it not correct

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

Well it shows on accounts that a large loan repayment is due,so I really hope it not correct

Love or hate Fenty, I can’t see him taking any money out of the Club, as supporter raised money is not footballing fortune. Fenty has stated before that his loan is not repayable unless the club has good footballing fortune, which this is not. I’m not a Fenty fan however I’m not going to bash him with false information or speculation.

One thing for me with the shares part of the crowd funder, it would be good to see the directors purchase shares and match our supporters efforts and that includes all of them! Football more than ever now needs to be as Philip Day stated “we are all in this together” supporters have voted with their wallets, players and all employees have taken a pay cut, now it’s your turn Mr Fenty et all! Please now show how you all intend to financially support and ensure that our great club will survive this mad world that we are currently in!! Open your wallets and buy some shares, support the club like us mere mortals are.

Quoted from SDUTM

Love or hate Fenty, I can’t see him taking any money out of the Club, as supporter raised money is not footballing fortune. Fenty has stated before that his loan is not repayable unless the club has good footballing fortune, which this is not. I’m not a Fenty fan however I’m not going to bash him with false information or speculation.

One thing for me with the shares part of the crowd funder, it would be good to see the directors purchase shares and match our supporters efforts and that includes all of them! Football more than ever now needs to be as Philip Day stated “we are all in this together” supporters have voted with their wallets, players and all employees have taken a pay cut, now it’s your turn Mr Fenty et all! Please now show how you all intend to financially support and ensure that our great club will survive this mad world that we are currently in!! Open your wallets and buy some shares, support the club like us mere mortals are.

Fenty takes 250k out of the club every season to slowly reduce what we owe him.

I think under the circumstances nobody would moan if he put 250k back in the club to help tide us over this challenging period.

Quoted from Davec

Fenty takes 250k out of the club every season to slowly reduce what we owe him.

I think under the circumstances nobody would moan if he put 250k back in the club to help tide us over this challenging period.

So he can increase the 'benign loan' when we need him eh?

Quoted from Ipswin

So he can increase the 'benign loan' when we need him eh?

Over the last few years he’s had plenty of loan repayments even though he stated he would only take loans with football fortune.We struggle year after year and he still took the money.Perhaps if he didn’t take last years repayment the account would look more fruitful

Who else has ordered some GTFC face masks?, must be a fair bit of profit going back to the club on these at £4.99 each (I’ve bought 3 🙂)

Quoted from lee65

Who else has ordered some GTFC face masks?, must be a fair bit of profit going back to the club on these at £4.99 each (I’ve bought 3 🙂)

All the profits go to the charity's as stated:

Profits raised from the sale of our branded face masks will be donated between two fantastic causes, The Rock Foundation, Grimsby & St Andrew’s Hospice.

Ridiculously overpriced but the proceeds going to a worthy cause.

Fundraising approaching £55,000 and £33,000 in declined refunds

Quoted from Stadium

Ridiculously overpriced but the proceeds going to a worthy cause.

At £4.99? I think it is quite reasonable. I doubt you'll be able to get your hands on a branded and reusable face mask for much less than that.

A more than reasonable quid for delivery too.

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

Over the last few years he’s had plenty of loan repayments even though he stated he would only take loans with football fortune.We struggle year after year and he still took the money.Perhaps if he didn’t take last years repayment the account would look more fruitful

Its not that simple though, the Club can only use 50% of its annual income on the playing budget so the other 50% has to be spent elsewhere ( none playing ) which can include paying back directors loans , this then reduces what they pay in corporation tax.

Adam Richman buys shares in Town:

https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2020/june/welcome-aboard-adam-richman/

Over £65,000 now raised plus nearly £40k in season ticket refund refusals..well done to all

Just to update progress.oveg £70,000 raised plus £45k saved inn refused refunds. That's a helluva an achievement

I have bought 3 shares in my club. I'm as happy as any Liverpool supporter.

Quoted from forza ivano

Over £65,000 now raised plus nearly £40k in season ticket refund refusals..well done to all

I don’t want a refund but have the club asked? I’ve not had anything from them about my ST

Quoted from TAGG

I don’t want a refund but have the club asked? I’ve not had anything from them about my ST

Let them know here fella:
[url]https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2020/june/grimsby-town-begin-donation--refund-process-for-season-ticket-holders/[/url]

Quoted from pizzzza

Let them know here fella:
[url]https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2020/june/grimsby-town-begin-donation--refund-process-for-season-ticket-holders/[/url]

Cheers mate 👍🏻

Didn’t realise they’re playing the refunds back in instalments...anyone worked out how much, for instance, an adult ST in say the lower findus or pontoon would get back, one would assume around £50 or so...

I've not followed this topic too much in recent weeks, but can someone tell me, are people buying these shares via the shop on the official website? Is that how everyone's doing it? I'm interested in purchasing the £100 one, but wanted to make sure people are doing it direct with the club, or if there is another route encouraged on the Fishy? Thanks in advance for info.......

Quoted from Heisenberg

I've not followed this topic too much in recent weeks, but can someone tell me, are people buying these shares via the shop on the official website? Is that how everyone's doing it? I'm interested in purchasing the £100 one, but wanted to make sure people are doing it direct with the club, or if there is another route encouraged on the Fishy? Thanks in advance for info.......

Yeah, I just bought mine through the shop.

The Trust have been opening the main bar at certain times of the week for people to collect Champions books and other merchandise. If people have been coming in to buyour shares then we've transacted those as well.

I just bought my shares via the club shop website - I am assuming that will still be counted towards the figures for fans supporting the club that are published?

Latest update.£75,000 in donations plus£45000 in refused refunds.
Saw Sir Ian hitting us up on Quest tonight, claiming that not a single person had requested a refund.

Quoted from forza ivano

Latest update.£75,000 in donations plus£45000 in refused refunds.
Saw Sir Ian hitting us up on Quest tonight, claiming that not a single person had requested a refund.

Forgot he was on there...although I’m not sure that’s true, I know 3 ST holders that have made requests so they’re either lying or nobody told Holloway. Either way it’s not bad to be fair...

Whatever anyone’s views of it all, at least it’s getting some recognition. I noticed we were mentioned in the headlines of the FSA weekly email.