When do we find out who we've got/ what date the  fixture will be on?

Monday at about 7.15pm
Match played weekend of 1st Dec

Ball 11

Scunny would be nice at home .

Lowest team we can get at home. We need a cup run for some cash.

Seen us play most of the big boys in my life time but not man united ...love them at Trafford with 9k town fans

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Seen us play most of the big boys in my life time but not man united ...love them at Trafford with 9k town fans

Same!

Non league side at home

On a purely selfish note, I’d like Woking or Hampton & Richmond away!

Never seen them play Arsenal, would love Man U just because we haven't played them in my lifetime

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

Never seen them play Arsenal, would love Man U just because we haven't played them in my lifetime

The chances are no-one under 75 have seen Town play Manure.... it's about time isn't it?

It really is about flipping time. We need something , , us fans deserve something , , our loyal hardcore home fans deserve something , the away fans that turn up all over the land deserve something  , let’s have us a home tie in Round 2 and who knows what can happen next. Jolley get this lot wanting sucess and you and them can be legends.

Quoted from LondonMariner43

On a purely selfish note, I’d like Woking or Hampton & Richmond away!

Damn right. If the Beavers can get past the Latics.

I would love Lincoln at home 👍🏻🤪🤪

I’d love Man U too but we have to get through to the 3rd round for that to happen. 2nd round id like the gimps or Scunts at home. We can beat either on yesterday’s second half showing.

Maidstone United based on MKD draw last season

[quote=33]Lowest team we can get at home. We need a cup run for some cash. [/quote

Absolutely Jolley needs a war chest for January.

We get 54 grand if we make it through R2, plus a share of the gate receipts. Nearly every ball in the bag would be a fairly low-key game so we'll make more from the prize money until we draw a Prem side away.We got 36 grand yesterday.

Billericay home or away

Home so we can beat them and get to R3
Away so we can beat them and get to R3 and I can see it.

Followed by Ipswich Town in R3 home or away for the same reason

Then Man U in R4

Not bothered who we get in R5

Easy home draw (on paper) for me so we can progress.

1 AFC WIMBLEDON
2 MAIDSTONE UNITED
3 EBBSFLEET UNITED OR CHELTENHAM TOWN
4 HAMPTON & RICHMOND BOROUGH OR OLDHAM ATHLETIC
5 SWINDON TOWN
6 MANSFIELD TOWN OR CHARLTON ATHLETIC
7 WOKING
8 SCUNTHORPE UNITED
9 PORT VALE OR SUNDERLAND
10 ALDERSHOT TOWN OR BRADFORD CITY
11 GRIMSBY TOWN
12 CHORLEY OR DONCASTER ROVERS
13 ALFRETON TOWN OR FLEETWOOD TOWN
14 PETERBOROUGH UNITED
15 SOUTHPORT
16 PLYMOUTH ARGYLE
17 CHESTERFIELD OR BILLERICAY TOWN
18 LINCOLN CITY
19 BARNET OR BRISTOL ROVERS
20 STOCKPORT COUNTY
21 BURY
22 GILLINGHAM OR HARTLEPOOL UNITED
23 OXFORD UNITED OR FOREST GREEN ROVERS
24 TRANMERE ROVERS OR OXFORD CITY
25 ACCRINGTON STANLEY
26 BARNSLEY
27 SHREWSBURY TOWN OR SALFORD CITY
28 NEWPORT COUNTY
29 WALSALL
30 ROCHDALE
31 HITCHIN TOWN OR SOLIHULL MOORS
32 SUTTON UNITED OR SLOUGH TOWN
33 GUISELEY OR CAMBRIDGE UNITED
34 BLACKPOOL
35 LUTON TOWN
36 MORECAMBE OR FC HALIFAX TOWN
37 CARLISLE UNITED
38 SOUTHEND UNITED OR CRAWLEY TOWN
39 PORTSMOUTH
40 WESTON SUPER MARE OR WREXHAM

In my lifetime I have seen Town play every league club except for Man Utd. It's over 70 years since we played them in any competition.

The Daily Telegraph published a table of Man U. results against other teams. Town have played them 20 odd games and we have the best record against them of any other team. Mind you we played them at the worst time in their history which helps!

We played them in back to back games in the league and put ten goals past them. We won the old second div while they finished one place above relegation the third div.

The plan: draw Maidstone, Stockport or Woking at home. Ie a very winnable game

Then get Manchester United away as my dad says that’s the only side in the 92 he’s not seen us play and I’d fancy a trip to Old Trafford.

Guiseley thumping Cambridge, what price being up against Marcus Bignot? ??)

Also Luke Summerfield just scored for Wrexham.

Quoted from GrimRob

We get 54 grand if we make it through R2, plus a share of the gate receipts. Nearly every ball in the bag would be a fairly low-key game so we'll make more from the prize money until we draw a Prem side away.We got 36 grand yesterday.

What's the tv money like? The lowest ranked club away would have a chance of being shown.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Guiseley thumping Cambridge, what price being up against Marcus Bignot? ??)

Also Luke Summerfield just scored for Wrexham.

Adi Yussuf scores from the spot to give Solihull Moors the lead at Hitchin, Solihull now 2 up.

Wrexham also now 2 up.

Stockport away please.
Cheap and easy to get to, highly winnable and a damn good urine up too.
Oh, and choo choo plane watching, lots of choo choo plane watching.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Easy home draw (on paper) for me so we can progress.

1 AFC WIMBLEDON
2 MAIDSTONE UNITED
3 EBBSFLEET UNITED OR CHELTENHAM TOWN
4 HAMPTON & RICHMOND BOROUGH OR OLDHAM ATHLETIC
5 SWINDON TOWN
6 MANSFIELD TOWN OR CHARLTON ATHLETIC
7 WOKING
8 SCUNTHORPE UNITED
9 PORT VALE OR SUNDERLAND
10 ALDERSHOT TOWN OR BRADFORD CITY
11 GRIMSBY TOWN
12 CHORLEY OR DONCASTER ROVERS
13 ALFRETON TOWN OR FLEETWOOD TOWN
14 PETERBOROUGH UNITED
15 SOUTHPORT
16 PLYMOUTH ARGYLE
17 CHESTERFIELD OR BILLERICAY TOWN
18 LINCOLN CITY
19 BARNET OR BRISTOL ROVERS
20 STOCKPORT COUNTY
21 BURY
22 GILLINGHAM OR HARTLEPOOL UNITED
23 OXFORD UNITED OR FOREST GREEN ROVERS
24 TRANMERE ROVERS OR OXFORD CITY
25 ACCRINGTON STANLEY
26 BARNSLEY
27 SHREWSBURY TOWN OR SALFORD CITY
28 NEWPORT COUNTY
29 WALSALL
30 ROCHDALE
31 HITCHIN TOWN OR SOLIHULL MOORS
32 SUTTON UNITED OR SLOUGH TOWN
33 GUISELEY OR CAMBRIDGE UNITED
34 BLACKPOOL
35 LUTON TOWN
36 MORECAMBE OR FC HALIFAX TOWN
37 CARLISLE UNITED
38 SOUTHEND UNITED OR CRAWLEY TOWN
39 PORTSMOUTH
40 WESTON SUPER MARE OR WREXHAM

11 v 18
👍🏻👊👊👍🏻

Quoted from mimma

In my lifetime I have seen Town play every league club except for Man Utd. It's over 70 years since we played them in any competition.

The Daily Telegraph published a table of Man U. results against other teams. Town have played them 20 odd games and we have the best record against them of any other team. Mind you we played them at the worst time in their history which helps!

We played them in back to back games in the league and put ten goals past them. We won the old second div while they finished one place above relegation the third div.

Does this mean we are Manchester United’s bogey team?

Anyone wanting Lincoln or Scunny in round two would have failed the test they do on kids when they’d leave a sweet on a table for two minutes and if they manage to leave it then they could have the full bag.

Woking at home please, we just need to get in the bag for the 3rd round.......... you know our luck we’ll probably get Newport away or something equally as sh1t.

Just some absolute garbage at home please. Not Stockport who’ll bring 2k.

Quoted from LH

Anyone wanting Lincoln or Scunny in round two would have failed the test they do on kids when they’d leave a sweet on a table for two minutes and if they manage to leave it then they could have the full bag.

I don't get it....then again I'm easily confused.

Quoted from promotion plaice

I don't get it....then again I'm easily confused.

Impatience. Staying in the cup by drawing dross at home and beating them is better long term than getting Lincoln or Scunny who are likely to beat us and send us out.

We have to be careful how far we are going to progress in the cup, might create a backlog of league fixtures, so lose at home to some non league team in round 2.

Quoted from LH

Impatience. Staying in the cup by drawing dross at home and beating them is better long term than getting Lincoln or Scunny who are likely to beat us and send us out.

Cheers.... :)

Bury, Rochdale, Oldham or Stockport at home so I can make the replay on the Tuesday

Could face Yussuf and Summerfield.  Both scored winning goals today in the FAC.

You would expect Lincoln or Scunthorpe to be a full house which would be better than going out to Accrington or Newport away in front of 2000 people. There would also be a higher chance of it being televised which is more money in the bank.

I thought MK Dons was one of the worst teams we could draw to be honest and look how that turned out.

Personally I want a plum third round draw away at one of the big teams but there are no "easy" games in round 2. Guiseley put 4 past a Cambridge team we struggled to get a shot on target against.

One of the lowest teams in the competition however would give us a chance of TV coverage. If Salford or Billericay get through their replays I expect them to be chosen for TV.

Alfreton would be decent too.

Quoted from monkeyboy

Alfreton would be decent too.

Be a major shock if we drew Alfreton in the 2nd round!

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Stockport away please.
Cheap and easy to get to, highly winnable and a damn good urine up too.
Oh, and choo choo plane watching, lots of choo choo plane watching.

If you manage to draw these scumbags, be wary of the heavy police presence that will follow.

They'll cart you all into 1 small pub and keep you there till 2.45pm. Not forgetting the Stockport fans who think they are the best team in the land because they get high crowds  >:( >:(

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

If you manage to draw these scumbags, be wary of the heavy police presence that will follow.

They'll cart you all into 1 small pub and keep you there till 2.45pm. Not forgetting the Stockport fans who think they are the best team in the land because they get high crowds  >:( >:(

Yeah, well you'd have to have smoked something pretty strong to think that...

inevitably going to be pompey,plymouth or carlisle away

I'm holding out for Hampton & Richmond. There's so much bad blood between us and them. It would be great to finally wipe the smiles off their faces. I hate them.

Prepare for disappointment. Of the 39 other balls (thanks Les), how many are really exciting ties? 3? Another 3 or 4 would bring us into televised territory. But the vast majority are nothing special.

We all know its Oldham or Carlise away

Quoted from monkeyboy

Alfreton would be decent too.

(charsi)

Quoted from arryarryarry

(charsi)

I said it would be decent. not that it could happen lol

Someone close to Cardiff at home so if it goes to replay I can go. I can't make the Saturday game anyway

7pm live on  bbc2, praying number 11 comes out first for a home draw, don't care who we get,in Town we trust :)

If not Lincoln at home then Scunthorpe will do 👍

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

Never seen them play Arsenal, would love Man U just because we haven't played them in my lifetime

Sounds unlikely but it's a fact----Man.Utd. have beaten us 14 times  but we have beaten them 15 times.

Quoted from monkeyboy

I said it would be decent. not that it could happen lol

You do know they were knocked out.

Scunthorpe away please!

But it won't be, it'll be Plymouth at home with an utterly boring 0-0 draw in front of 1,354 fans only to get battered away on a Tuesday night in the replay.

Sunderland at home

Newport away

You just know Bignot is going to get the home draw he wants against a league side and it will be us.

Away to Chesterfield or Billericay ain’t a bad draw 😊

Chesterfield or Bilericy away it is then

Great draw , if not at home that’s as good as we could ask for

Very winnable......pleased with that and maybe could be picked for TV

Happy with that!! Hopefully chesterfield as we’ll take a few, if its Billericy may be on tele

Could have been a lot worse!

Hope it's Billericay-never been to Scotland  ;D

Lets hope Billericay win, then it should be televised which is more money.

Hope it is Billericay, TV likely and love to give Tamplin some abuse

Would be an outsider for TV if Billericay get through but I think they announce the televised ones before the replays usually. More suited to a 1245 Sunday for policing and television reasons. It’s the sort of boring draw we needed though and very winnable.

Decent draw that

How's Billericay Dicky doing these days?

Very good draw
Let's get on and win it
Bet MJ will be delighted.

Looking at the betting odds, we are 1500-1 to win the cup and 2000-1 to win the League 2 pennant.
Crazy as we only need to win 8 games to win the F A Cup.......

Billericay not as easy as it sounds on paper. They’re another club owned by a maverick, multi-millionaire sugar daddy and currently sit top of the Conference South with possibly the largest wage bill outside the football league.

They’re paying the likes of Jamie O Hara a small fortune to be there.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/4129322/billericay-towns-millionaire-owner-opens-up-over-his-secret-torment-which-left-him-massively-depressed/amp/

Quoted from Badger57

How's Billericay Dicky doing these days?

He had a love affair with Nina but he's doing very well.

Billericay top of National South with a good record (goals and good defence) averaging more than 2 points a game.  Have clearly had a good cup run as well.  If they win the replay at home, then it will difficult tie for us.  But we should still win, even if it takes a replay.

Chesterfield away is easy to get and they are struggling badly this season, 1 point above the bottom 4.

Great chance to get to third round!

Quoted from Ipswin

Billericay home or away

Home so we can beat them and get to R3
Away so we can beat them and get to R3 and I can see it.

Followed by Ipswich Town in R3 home or away for the same reason

Then Man U in R4

Not bothered who we get in R5

Yes! Just need Billericay to beat Chesterfield and the first leg of my prediction is up.

billericay fc the ground had a capacity of 3,500, of which 424 was seated and 2,000 was covered.

Chesterfield Fc capacity 10,400
Away supporters are normally housed in the Rubicon Print Stand at the north end of the stadium, where up to 2,112 supporters can be seated. If demand requires it then additional seating can also be made available in the Spencers Solicitors Community Stand.

Quoted from Poojah

Billericay not as easy as it sounds on paper. They’re another club owned by a maverick, multi-millionaire sugar daddy and currently sit top of the Conference South with possibly the largest wage bill outside the football league.

They’re paying the likes of Jamie O Hara a small fortune to be there.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/4129322/billericay-towns-millionaire-owner-opens-up-over-his-secret-torment-which-left-him-massively-depressed/amp/

'Maverick' is a very diplomatic choice of words.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6125953/amp/Glenn-Tamplin-puts-Billericay-Town-sale-accused-snorting-cocaine.html

http://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2017/08/whats-wrong-with-glenn-tamplin-and-his-billericay-town-fc-takeover/

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/police-investigating-billericays-glenn-tamplin-1164323

Not a bad draw at all.

Quoted from Badger57

How's Billericay Dicky doing these days?

You ask Joyce and Vicki

Latest score tonight........Hampton & Richmond 1 - 0 Oldham    (BT Sport 1 LIVE)

Quoted from 140381

I'm holding out for Hampton & Richmond. There's so much bad blood between us and them. It would be great to finally wipe the smiles off their faces. I hate them.

I used to regularly get in a ruck with their boys. Nasty bunch. Fellah in their bar once spilled my pint and it took him 3 seconds to say sorry. Another one tutted when he saw me standing in his regular spot by a barrier on the side stand.

Quoted from Badger57

How's Billericay Dicky doing these days?

Rather well

Quoted from promotion plaice

Latest score tonight........Hampton & Richmond 1 - 0 Oldham    (BT Sport 1 LIVE)

Gutted not to be down there. Too lackadaisical about getting a ticket, ‘but it’s alright it’s on the telly’
Doh! It’s not on the Beeb and I’ve never paid for tv in my life.

Sounds like they’ve been lucky with decisions and Oldham wastefulness.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Latest score tonight........Hampton & Richmond 1 - 0 Oldham    (BT Sport 1 LIVE)

Cracking game, that's what the FA cup is all about, sooner watch this than the crap served up yesterday by the premiership.

Anyone know what the Billericay allocation would likely be if they get through?

I'd have settled for the draw we got. A non-league side stands between us and R3. Billericay have splashed the cash this season and in a way would be a trickier tie than the more familiar opposition.

Atmosphere sounds good on the wireless. Nice tight little ground.

Chesterfield fans don't seem too worried about us.  ??)

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Grimsby are an absolute dog's droppings of a side, and if we beat the Essex wide boys in the replay, I don't have any worries about playing this side.

Firmly believe that if Lester hadn't have gone to Blundell Park to play for a draw, that it would be the cod heads in this division and not us

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

'Maverick' is a very diplomatic choice of words.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6125953/amp/Glenn-Tamplin-puts-Billericay-Town-sale-accused-snorting-cocaine.html

http://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2017/08/whats-wrong-with-glenn-tamplin-and-his-billericay-town-fc-takeover/

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/police-investigating-billericays-glenn-tamplin-1164323

Indeed. I think we’d have a good chance of being on TV if it is Billericay as there’s evidently a bit of a story about them and it probably looks, on paper, like a game with a reasonable chance of an upset given their league form.

If it’s Billericay and it gets moved to a different day because of TV I’d be gutted as I wouldn’t be able to go :(.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Chesterfield fans don't seem too worried about us.  ??)

He might be right about Lester and the draw but it has no bearing on this game  :)

Quoted from Poojah

Indeed. I think we’d have a good chance of being on TV if it is Billericay as there’s evidently a bit of a story about them and it probably looks, on paper, like a game with a reasonable chance of an upset given their league form.

I wonder if.we might just miss out. Will be 4.live games I think and maybe the following just pipping us:

Guiseley vs Fleetwood
Wrexham vs Newport
Solihull vs Blackpool
Rochdale vs Portsmouth or Walsall vs Sunderland

Not much else of any appeal so guess we must have a chance. Chesterfield vs GTFC wouldn't be the easiest sell for them though!

I fully expect the BBC will nab the game for a sunday lunchtime regardless of whoever we have to visit. Theyll take the usual 8 matches for their final score programme BUT but theres more than a chance it could be on if BT and BBC take 4 games live but only if we go to Essex

Quoted from golfer

Hope it's Billericay-never been to Scotland  ;D

You can pitch a tent in my back garden for cheap digs if you want?

They'll pick before their replay I think.

Wrexham vs Newport might be taken on by BBC Wales seperately as they have done with Cardiff (and Swansea?) cup games in recent seasons.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Chesterfield fans don't seem too worried about us.  ??)

I'm not worried about Chesterfield, they are dog and duck tin pot and will be easy meat. It'll be the biggest game of their lives when we play them, they may even make a commemorative plate or something like that.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Gutted not to be down there. Too lackadaisical about getting a ticket, ‘but it’s alright it’s on the telly’
Doh! It’s not on the Beeb and I’ve never paid for tv in my life.

Sounds like they’ve been lucky with decisions and Oldham wastefulness.

Doubly gutted cos there were 700 spare tickets after all.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Doubly gutted cos there were 700 spare tickets after all.

Not as gutted as H&R...conceded two late goals and didn't even get a money-spinning replay.

Quoted from Marinerz93

I'm not worried about Chesterfield, they are dog and duck tin pot and will be easy meat. It'll be the biggest game of their lives when we play them, they may even make a commemorative plate or something like that.

They are lucky they are playing a league side, the plucky non league side might be up for the fight though.

Quoted from zorro_is_a_Mariner

They are lucky they are playing a league side, the plucky non league side might be up for the fight though.

Plucky non leaguers lose out yet again to a team that plays in the big boys league, the spireites tiny hopes crushed and they cry their eyes out and go an lose the next game to the dog and duck 2nd team at pond lane, boo hoo Chesterfield

Would love to be in the third round draw

Quoted from Les Brechin

Chesterfield fans don't seem too worried about us.  ??)

Yeah, it was that game that sent them down.

Nothing to do with the fact they picked up 4 points from 9 games after beating Notts County at the end of March.  :-/

Are we talking about the mighty Chesterfield that are 19th in the National league. Oh yeah i'm well worried  ;D

There are some comments here that are very much over confident. ANY non league team AWAY is a potential banana skin  

Quoted from barrattstandman

There are some comments here that are very much over confident. ANY non league team AWAY is a potential banana skin  

Yeah.. I'd rate it as a 50/50 game. A better chance than drawing any League team away from home or League One club at home, but still a 50/50 chance of us going through. Anyone remember our last three away games?

:B Yes they wasn't inspiring  :B

Lets have a home win Saturday and a nice away win at Sixfields and that should set us up nicely for the cup game , , , whoever it is!!

Quoted from Bigdog

Yeah.. I'd rate it as a 50/50 game. A better chance than drawing any League team away from home or League One club at home, but still a 50/50 chance of us going through. Anyone remember our last three away games?

50/50 of winning the away game, but 25/75 of losing it in the first leg. 75/25 of us winning the replay. So overall around 68%, or around 2/1 in our favour!

Far too much confidence on here from fans of a misfiring team who've just lost 3 away games on the bounce.
presently on oddschecker for best odds on billericay / chesterfield win 8) ;D

hope it's billericay - great line we could repeat from last night's 'people just do nothing'

'Essex?? Which part of London is that in?'   ;D ;D

Grimsby are 7500/1 to win the FA Cup with Bet Victor

If it is Billericay then there have several players we will know from the Conference like Julien in goal and Emmanuel up front from Bromley and then Cunnington from Cambridge. Most of the really big names have gone but O'Hara is still there on at least £10K a week.

They've done a lot to their ground too so they could cope with a good away following without any problem.

2nd Round televised games confirmed.

Friday 30th Nov 19:55 ko Solihull Moors v Blackpool Live on BBC2
Saturday 1st Dec 12.30 ko Morecambe/AFC Halifax v AFC Wimbledon Live on BT Sport 1
Saturday 1st Dec 20:00 ko Wrexham v Newport County Live on BT Sport 1
Monday 3rd Dec 20:00 ko Guiseley v Fleetwood Town Live on BT Sport 1

Nothing about the games to be moved to the Sunday yet though.

2 First Round Replays live too on BT Sport 1
Oxford City v Tranmere next Tuesday and
Salford City v Shrewsbury next Wednesday.
Both 19:45ko.

If Morecambe win their replay then the prospect of them hosting AFC Wimbledon is a truly mouth-watering one.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

If Morecambe win their replay then the prospect of them hosting AFC Wimbledon is a truly mouth-watering one.

If your a Morecambe or Wombles fan your quite pleased, a bit like if we're on would a Womble be interested.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

If Morecambe win their replay then the prospect of them hosting AFC Wimbledon is a truly mouth-watering one.

lmao

Quoted from Gaffer58

If your a Morecambe or Wombles fan your quite pleased, a bit like if we're on would a Womble be interested.

Probably not pleased if its a 12:30 kick off. (well that applies if it's Morecambe or Halifax).

The BBC have taken on 6 games for the sunday and we aren't one.

Quoted from Mariner16

The BBC have taken on 6 games for the sunday and we aren't one.

A bit surprised at that to be honest, the 6 games they have moved are...

Bury v Luton Town
Tranmere Rovers or Oxford City v Southport
Shrewsbury Town or Salford City v Scunthorpe United
Swindon Town v Woking
Rochdale v Portsmouth
Sutton United or Slough Town v Gillingham or Hartlepool United.

If we're not on/moved it must mean the BBC are certain we will progress hence no upset.

We’re on it if we play Chesterfield, KO date and time TBA for Billericay. Possibly another TV fixture?

Source: https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/latest-news/24501/the-fa-confirm-further-televised-fa-cup-second-round-ties/

If it’s Bill n Ricky then I assumed that would be a nailed on TV game looking at the fixtures.

BBC seem to love jumped up, cringey, non league vanity projects like Salford, FCUM, FGR and Billericay and to see them go up against a massive ex semi finalist like us is dynamite.

Quoted from Mariner16

The BBC have taken on 6 games for the sunday and we aren't one.

Is it 'cause we is black & white?  ;)