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Quoted from Maringer

I suppose somebody could start up a #gtfcfansformay hashtag to balance things out?

That would surely prove popular as she's such an impressive figure in both thought and deed. :)

Nah I don`t approve people could easily mistake the may bit for the Month and she would get loads of thumbs up from Town fans wishing the season away

Quoted from Maringer

I suppose somebody could start up a #gtfcfansformay hashtag to balance things out?

That would surely prove popular as she's such an impressive figure in both thought and deed. :)

Would be better if it was #corbynlyingbastardaboutdealingwithstudentdebt

Quoted from arryarryarry

Would be better if it was #corbynlyingbastardaboutdealingwithstudentdebt

I was going to have that on the back of my shirt. But I couldn't afford it at £1.50 a letter. ;)

Quoted from Civvy at last

I was going to have that on the back of my shirt. But I couldn't afford it at £1.50 a letter. ;)

Get other people to pay for it. Then you'll be a proper Socialist.

What Barra and Jaws said!

Quoted from arryarryarry

Would be better if it was #corbynlyingbastardaboutdealingwithstudentdebt

How about #stillbelievinganynonsensethetorypressclaimaboutcorbyn?

After all, he just said student debt needed to be looked at (and it does). No lies at all, despite what the usual suspects may be trying to make you believe. No claims about debt cancellation, though in my view this would certainly be a possibility if it was decided that further QE needed to be enacted. The financial sector and wealthy rentiers garnered most of the benefit from the past batch of QE (£425 billion or so created by the magic money tree). Can't imagine a better way to get money directly into the economy than forgiveness of student debt.

#gtfcfansforcorbynormayorfarageorwhoeverbelongsonthenonfootballforumffssortitrobsbrechinsorhagrids

Not sure why the students get so worked up about student loans anyhows....as far as i understand it ,it is virtually non repayable. A member of my family has now paid off about 6.57 of their debt over 3 or so years of fulltime employment since leaving Uni.

The voting and sentiments are clear. End this divisive non-football thread. UTM.

Theresa Mays blue n white army

I'm in my 30s and I'm still thousands of pounds in debt because of my student loan. It was brought up when we tried to buy a house. I don't deny that it's one of the more 'acceptable' forms of debt, but it's still a debt.

As for keeping politics away from football, I understand and agree to a point - but politics affects everything. The establishment of the Premier League, sponsorship, the way the game is funded, the performance of England at major tournaments, B teams... just about everything is political, or can be traced back to government.

I get it, though - on a local level, you just want to walk into BP and not talk or think about politics.

FWIW, Labour were the only party that considered the future of grassroots football in their general election manifesto.

Football is tied with politics whether you like it or not, Hillsborough disaster, Safe standing, are the first two that spring to mind. Even down to a local level in trying to get a new ground past the local council.

The most divisive aspect of GTFC at the moment isn't whether you Red, Blue, or another colour, it's Slade and Fenty.

Student loans are not cricket

Quoted from moosey_club

Not sure why the students get so worked up about student loans anyhows....as far as i understand it ,it is virtually non repayable. A member of my family has now paid off about 6.57 of their debt over 3 or so years of fulltime employment since leaving Uni.

By the time I qualify for my job in June, I will be about £90K in debt. Going to be fun trying to get a mortgage with that looming over me.

Quoted from moosey_club

Not sure why the students get so worked up about student loans anyhows....as far as i understand it ,it is virtually non repayable. A member of my family has now paid off about 6.57 of their debt over 3 or so years of fulltime employment since leaving Uni.

I’m guessing Dianne Abbot worked out the repayment plan 🤔

Terrible thread, another to go with a terrible couple of months of terrible threads, it's like the Fishy is dying in front of my eyes...

#prayforthefishy

Corbyn couldn’t give a intercourse about GTFC. Enough said.

What makes a terrible thread? Oddly enough the ones that are "terrible" tend to perpetuate for a while.

Jesus.... this is worse than one of my threads

Quoted from mariner91

By the time I qualify for my job in June, I will be about £90K in debt. Going to be fun trying to get a mortgage with that looming over me.

Double check this but I don't think they take student debt into consideration when looking for a mortgage.

Not been on here for a while and threads like this are the reason why, bored out of my head with the Hurst threads and the 2 bob political statements by sharp objects who insist on spouting there crap weekly. I have a suggestion for them ,try going out one evening and meeting a female,you never know it may be the start of the life you need too get. you boring tw@ts

I go to football to watch and debate the pros and cons of the football, players, style, manager, is it bad, good woeful etc etc, not the merits of political leaders or have a political debate.

Career students deserve to be in debt, get a job you lazy arsed twits.

Take take take - intercourse off.

I thought the twit of the week thread was the place for the usual political arguments.

Quoted from Fat Cobra

Career students deserve to be in debt, get a job you lazy arsed twits.

Take take take - intercourse off.

Stay classy there.

Damn all the teachers and doctors and scientists for being all clever and that. Such a waste that they all get an education.

Think the moderators should move this ridiculous thread to somewhere else.
The integrity of this site is fragile enough without all of this rubbish.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Think the moderators should move this ridiculous thread to somewhere else.
The integrity of this site is fragile enough without all of this rubbish.

Scared of bit of debate?

Leave the politics out.. Fishy going downhill fast!!

Threads like this is why the fishy has a poor reputation and a low rate of people posting new and interesting threads...only my opinion tho

How many of you moaners have posted a thread recently?

Wen I wos att Univecity admitedlee 55yurs ago,I worked long ours to pae four my edicasun miself as my pearents were por. In vose days you had to be very klever to go hand ad two av lotz ov GCE ay passes not kukary or dres mayking scils. Aye fownd it verie ard but i managed to sayve as well wivout asking enknee bodee for a sossige

Politics a bit like football, few change their views regardless of how bad it gets. Utm

Doesn't take a detective to work out who was responsible for it.

Anyone who isn't a corbyn supporter isn't a town fan

Forgot to mention you're also a bigot. #gtfcfansforcorbyn #lol

Quoted from totalidiot

Threads like this is why the fishy has a poor reputation and a low rate of people posting new and interesting threads...only my opinion tho

Hah hah! Good spoof post!

Quoted from newarkmariner

I have a suggestion for them ,try going out one evening and meeting a female,you never know it may be the start of the life you need too get. you boring tw@ts

why go out to meet a female ? i have met lots of females through the internet and some of them actually turned out to be real women. :o

This thread is hilarious ;D

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Scared of bit of debate?

Its supposed to be a footy site, preferably GTFC
Not sure what Corby has to contribute to either topic.
Not sure what student debt has to do with footy
Just bigger off and annoy somebody else-this is a GTFC site

I do not see any current politician of any party worth two seconds of dispute on any soccer forum let alone ours. If I want to get worked up about politics I'll shout at the comics on Question Time. The Media are profiting from polarising each and every issue. We don't have to be so easily manipulated.

The thread title mentions GTFC and Jeremy Corbyn. So it was bound to refer to football and politics.

I'm still outraged though. Think i will write to my MP.

*sigh*, when will folks realise that the mere mention of CorrBin makes Maringer stiff.....with pride. Not sure I can stomach yet another thread of him copy/pasting extracts from a 1980's militant publication while consuming himself in a Kleenex confetti of self indulgence.

Oh dear, Ferrers. Not just embarrassingly childish but also completely wrong as well. Not a winning combination.

In this thread, I simply pointed out that somebody had believed that Corbyn had lied about something when he hadn't. Fixing fake news, I suppose, though this particular fake news seems to have been promoted by, well, newspapers.

I also mentioned that May was a clueless incompetent but then everyone knows this already, don't they?

The whole Militant thing was before my time so perhaps you could point how the moderate social democrat Corbyn (or any of his left-wing contemporaries still in the Labour Party) had anything to do with them, since nobody else apparently has?

Of course, you're more likely to attempt another terrible male masturbation joke, but you should always aspire to something better.

Quoted from mariner91

By the time I qualify for my job in June, I will be about £90K in debt. Going to be fun trying to get a mortgage with that looming over me.

intercourse it let’s get everything free.
intercourse people like me who have paid tax since leaving school at 16 we will pay for others to have further education and go on to get a 100,000k a year job.
Suck it up mate it was your decision to take the loan.

Quoted from Posh Harry

Double check this but I don't think they take student debt into consideration when looking for a mortgage.

Student loans with SFE do not affect your credit rating whatsoever.

Quoted from TAGG

intercourse it let’s get everything free.
intercourse people like me who have paid tax since leaving school at 16 we will pay for others to have further education and go on to get a 100,000k a year job.
Suck it up mate it was your decision to take the loan.

It was also his choice to go into a profession where we are desperately in need of home grown talent..you know to stop our reliance on imports which you seem keen to support. Whilst we are on the subject 100K is a very average salary for that sort of expertise. He could've been a Premier League footballer and earned 5 times that in a month. Some seriously flawed logic on this thread..

I seem to recall that mariner91 mentioned he's doing dentistry. I presume that everyone who is happy for him to rack up the best part of £100k in debt is perfectly happy if he goes into private practice or emigrates to, say, Australia, to get a better wage once he's qualified?

Why should he work on the NHS if he can make a lot more money charging private rates to pay off the huge debts you're happy for him to rack up?

How about teaching? Teachers aren't so well paid these days, especially as their pensions have been hacked right back and they've suffered the same wage freeze as other public sector workers. The workload these days is absolutely crippling so it's no surprise that teachers are leaving the profession in droves. How many capable young people are going to turn away from this vital career because of the prospect of £50k+ of debts before they even get started?

The politicians who voted for course fees and then quickly trebled them didn't have to pay these fees themselves. It takes a very special sort of person to receive something for free and then be so keen to make sure that the next generation can't enjoy the same benefits. All whilst cutting taxes of the wealthiest, of course.

Why would a dentist not paying loans off have any correlation to where they choose to work in the future? I am completely lost. Dentistry tends to be driven by cash not the joy of teeth, this a perfect example of where loans make sense utm

Eh? I'm assuming somebody such as a dentist will pay off their loans, as they should earn enough to do so.

The point is that if you load up dentists with huge amounts of debt as they work for many years to get their qualifications, then they are less likely to work in the NHS because they can earn much more from private practice or overseas.

Better for the dentist longer-term, perhaps, but bad for the average bod on the street who is struggling to find an NHS dentist.

I have two check-ups a year with my NHS dentist which costs me very little. My wife has two check-ups a year with her private dentist (because she couldn't get an NHS one when she moved back to the area) and it costs her several times as much. She needed some work done the other year which cost hundreds of pounds. The same treatment from an NHS dentist would have cost her a fraction of that amount.

Dentists and doctors are special cases to some degree because they are likely to earn a lot more in future and would be more likely to be able to pay off the loans they rack up during the years they are in training, but let's not forget that Doctors working in the NHS have suffered the same pay freeze as other public sector workers as their workload has gone up. No surprise so many of them are quitting to move overseas. Ultimately, they'll still have to repay their loans, but the country won't benefit from their training and labour.

Quoted from barralad

It was also his choice to go into a profession where we are desperately in need of home grown talent..you know to stop our reliance on imports which you seem keen to support. Whilst we are on the subject 100K is a very average salary for that sort of expertise. He could've been a Premier League footballer and earned 5 times that in a month. Some seriously flawed logic on this thread..

Thats my point.
Its peoples choice if they want to go further with their education. Stop moaning about having to pay loans back its part of life.
My choice was to leave school on the Friday and and start working the next week. I didn't ask the tax payer to finance my first few years in work so why the fook should I (through my taxes) subsidies some one who will have the ability to earn two,three or four times more than I will ever earn??

I have three and six year old girls and they have a savings pot if they want to go to UNI when they get older hopefully there will be enough cash in their accounts so they dont have to bum off the tax payers of England.

We're now the most expensive country in the world in which to study. We've overtaken the Americans in this regard which shows just how crazy things have got over here.

If things remain the same, my advice would have been for kids to learn a foreign language to a good level and go to study in France or Germany or another European country where fees are a tiny fraction of the amount they are over here. Unfortunately, of course, Brexit means that UK students are unlikely to be able to do this easily any longer. Something else to thank the oldies for.

Quoted from Maringer

We're now the most expensive country in the world in which to study. We've overtaken the Americans in this regard which shows just how crazy things have got over here.

If things remain the same, my advice would have been for kids to learn a foreign language to a good level and go to study in France or Germany or another European country where fees are a tiny fraction of the amount they are over here. Unfortunately, of course, Brexit means that UK students are unlikely to be able to do this easily any longer. Something else to thank the oldies for.

My advice would be if you have young kids start saving now for the UNI fees.
A massive problem in this country (perpetuated by Corbyn) is that millions of people expect the state to run their lives for them, look after them and tell them what to do.
The further education system in this country must be worth the money judging by the amount of overseas students that are here.

I think that you're thinking is is a bit flawed here. I work with several guys who's kids have trained to be dentistsand doctors and the general approach is all about money and has nothing to do with the good of the country or the NHS. For me a more practical solution is to stop dentists and doctors being primadonas and train a load more of them, in order to do this you may need to reduce the entry requirements. Clearly not an ideal solution but the current solution is a mess and an associate dentist can easily earn £100,000 a year for a pretty much 9 to 5 job, good luck to them but this is the root of the problem UTM

Quoted from TAGG

My advice would be if you have young kids start saving now for the UNI fees.
A massive problem in this country (perpetuated by Corbyn) is that millions of people expect the state to run their lives for them, look after them and tell them what to do.
The further education system in this country must be worth the money judging by the amount of overseas students that are here.

But what if you don't earn enough to help fund your kids through University? Inequality is bad enough as it stands without making things more difficult for those from poorer backgrounds. Free (or very cheap) tertiary education gives everybody more of a chance but the current system can't do anything but make inequality worse.

Your viewpoint appears to be that you're quite happy for the offspring of wealthy folk to get the best education, get the best opportunities and take all the best jobs, just because of chance of birth. Even if you don't explicitly think this, you're backing the concept by thinking it acceptable that students from poor backgrounds should have to get into tens of thousands of debt to get a degree.

As I noted before, the politicians who implemented these fees pretty much all received a free University education - why should it be what's good for the goose all of a sudden isn't good for the gander?

Quoted from Zmariner

I think that you're thinking is is a bit flawed here. I work with several guys who's kids have trained to be dentistsand doctors and the general approach is all about money and has nothing to do with the good of the country or the NHS. For me a more practical solution is to stop dentists and doctors being primadonas and train a load more of them, in order to do this you may need to reduce the entry requirements. Clearly not an ideal solution but the current solution is a mess and an associate dentist can easily earn £100,000 a year for a pretty much 9 to 5 job, good luck to them but this is the root of the problem UTM

Actually, I think you're being a bit too harsh in your view about some members of the medical profession here. There are plenty of people working very long hours in the NHS for a lot less money than they could earn working privately, including dentists. The top whack NHS dentists can earn is a lot less than the £100k you mention (though possibly supplemented by some private cosmetic work, I suppose), so why would any of them do it?

I don't doubt that some of them are obssessed with the money side of things, but there is certainly the public service aspect involved as well.

Quoted from TAGG

intercourse it let’s get everything free.
intercourse people like me who have paid tax since leaving school at 16 we will pay for others to have further education and go on to get a 100,000k a year job.
Suck it up mate it was your decision to take the loan.

Isn't the point about education to enable you to get a job which pays you more? Therefore paying significantly more in over the long term than people who don't have jobs that pay as well. Of course it was my decision because I wanted a career in dentistry. I like helping people and I've always wanted to work in healthcare as biology was always my best subject at school.

Even with the loans I have, they don't cover all the costs and expenses I've had for this degree. Had I not got some inheritance from my old man passing away at a really young age, I wouldn't have been able to do this course. Sad but true. And before anyone says get a job, I did have one before my final year but this year I've got exams every six weeks and work full time either in hospitals or in primary care. There are certainly people who are priced out of studying dentistry or medicine so what a great system we have in place that promotes social mobility.

I've read before that you're quite strongly in favour of Brexit. Well before last year 17% of our dental workforce was educated in the EU. If fewer start to come over here to work, which is already happening, and more go back (also happening) then we're going to be pretty short of dentists. So then we'll be left in the scenario where many people are priced out of studying long degrees but we're also not training enough dentists of our own. All in all, the status quo doesn't look great.

Quoted from Zmariner

I think that you're thinking is is a bit flawed here. I work with several guys who's kids have trained to be dentistsand doctors and the general approach is all about money and has nothing to do with the good of the country or the NHS. For me a more practical solution is to stop dentists and doctors being primadonas and train a load more of them, in order to do this you may need to reduce the entry requirements. Clearly not an ideal solution but the current solution is a mess and an associate dentist can easily earn £100,000 a year for a pretty much 9 to 5 job, good luck to them but this is the root of the problem UTM

I think that's grossly unfair and unfounded. I don't dispute that there are some on my course who are only interested in the money aspect but it's certainly the minority. They're also generally the ones who struggle on the course and are almost always the ones who drop out. It's a difficult and stressful course and a difficult and stressful job so if you don't like what you're doing, most can't hack it. There are much easier ways to make more money like going to work in banking for example.

We still have a lot of threads turning into a political debate,

That's why we have a politics thread so only the ones wanting to read or debate see it,

Luckily, Pete, there aren't a finite number of threads. If you want to create a new thread about some other topic, anybody can do so.

We don't have one big match thread for every game, do we, so why would we have one big thread for every topic which touches on politics?

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Its supposed to be a footy site, preferably GTFC
Not sure what Corby has to contribute to either topic.
Not sure what student debt has to do with footy
Just bigger off and annoy somebody else-this is a GTFC site

You can't separate football or any sport from politics. Sport itself is a political act. It doesn't exist in a vacuum. It NEVER existed in this mythical Corinthian pure sport state. For the ancient Greeks sport was practice for war. When the Victorians re-invented and codified most of the modern sports we know today, they had explicit political aims. It's been used y states for political ends since the dawn of the 20th century and beyond. Sports clubs have political allegiances in most countries. What you or I can do before, during and after watching a football match is governed by politics. Different rules apply to us. YOU CAN'T MORE flipping POLITICAL!

I suggest you take your head out of the sand and look at the real world instead of some fantasy where 'pure' sport happens in a vacuum cut off from life.

And you haven't answered the question. Are you afraid of debate? Or is that not for the likes of us (as per your comment about allowing the 'professionals' get on with running the club and the development of the new ground)?

Quoted from TAGG

intercourse it let’s get everything free.
intercourse people like me who have paid tax since leaving school at 16 we will pay for others to have further education and go on to get a 100,000k a year job.
Suck it up mate it was your decision to take the loan.

Do you know what happens to your tax allowance when you get above £100k a year?

Quoted from TAGG

Thats my point.
Its peoples choice if they want to go further with their education. Stop moaning about having to pay loans back its part of life.
My choice was to leave school on the Friday and and start working the next week. I didn't ask the tax payer to finance my first few years in work so why the fook should I (through my taxes) subsidies some one who will have the ability to earn two,three or four times more than I will ever earn??

I have three and six year old girls and they have a savings pot if they want to go to UNI when they get older hopefully there will be enough cash in their accounts so they dont have to bum off the tax payers of England.

Tuition fees have trebled in the last six years. At the same rate your six year old will be facing annual fees of £81,000 a year. 9,000 now x 3 in 6 years = 27,000. x 3 in the next 6 years.....Even if it doesn't and goes up by a 'mere' £3,000 a year in that time, that's £36,000 before she starts.

The there's the daily living costs which, at a (conservative) guess, would double that. So £72,000. So you'll be putting away £6,000 a year until she's 18. Then there's your second one. Glad you can afford it.

Quoted from TAGG

My advice would be if you have young kids start saving now for the UNI fees.
A massive problem in this country (perpetuated by Corbyn) is that millions of people expect the state to run their lives for them, look after them and tell them what to do.
The further education system in this country must be worth the money judging by the amount of overseas students that are here.

How do you think all those countries in northern Europe manage? Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Finland and Denmark. Their economies must be wrecked and their people on their uppers because of looney policies like covering the cost of higher education through tax. Completely potty. i don't know how they manage.

Oh, right, more educated people earn more money and pay more tax. They develop more products that the outside world want to buy and earn more export revenue for the country. Oh. That'll be it then.

Quoted from mariner91

I think that's grossly unfair and unfounded. I don't dispute that there are some on my course who are only interested in the money aspect but it's certainly the minority. They're also generally the ones who struggle on the course and are almost always the ones who drop out. It's a difficult and stressful course and a difficult and stressful job so if you don't like what you're doing, most can't hack it. There are much easier ways to make more money like going to work in banking for example.

Maybe a bit harsh but I have several Indian mates and become a dentist has been standard advice and so unfounded is incorrect. Banking jobs are way more risky than dentistry and so you there is a trade off there. To say much easier money for most is doubtful. An average dentist will earn well and so a good business in terms of risk. I may well advise my son or daughter t be a dentist. Most jobs at a certain salary level come with some sort of pressure, it can be technical or managerial. I would fully expect to fund my kids through university as much as I can as I would not expect other taxpayers to support me. For those from the most disadvantaged backgrounds some central support is required, for those with parents who can afford it they should assist in my opinion utm

I bet M91 can’t wait to practice on some of you lot.

“Yeah sorry mate, all out of anaesthetic today and the next available appointment is in 3 years time. Your fault for voting Tory I suppose so man up and let me have them gnashers out”

Quoted from Zmariner

I think that you're thinking is is a bit flawed here. I work with several guys who's kids have trained to be dentistsand doctors and the general approach is all about money and has nothing to do with the good of the country or the NHS. For me a more practical solution is to stop dentists and doctors being primadonas and train a load more of them, in order to do this you may need to reduce the entry requirements. Clearly not an ideal solution but the current solution is a mess and an associate dentist can easily earn £100,000 a year for a pretty much 9 to 5 job, good luck to them but this is the root of the problem UTM

Nice

I can not think of a worse job than looking into peoples mouths all day. yuk !!!

BUT

Somebody has got to do it,

We might disagree on most things 91 but on this subject you have my respect.

Quoted from grimsby pete

I can not think of a worse job than looking into peoples mouths all day. yuk !!!

BUT

Somebody has got to do it,

We might disagree on most things 91 but on this subject you have my respect.

I'm weird.

Bet Little Shop of Horrors is your favourite movie. ;)

Quoted from 139914

*sigh*, when will folks realise that the mere mention of CorrBin makes Maringer stiff.....with pride. Not sure I can stomach yet another thread of him copy/pasting extracts from a 1980's militant publication while consuming himself in a Kleenex confetti of self indulgence.

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Quoted from Maringer

How about #stillbelievinganynonsensethetorypressclaimaboutcorbyn?

After all, he just said student debt needed to be looked at (and it does). No lies at all, despite what the usual suspects may be trying to make you believe. No claims about debt cancellation, though in my view this would certainly be a possibility if it was decided that further QE needed to be enacted. The financial sector and wealthy rentiers garnered most of the benefit from the past batch of QE (£425 billion or so created by the magic money tree). Can't imagine a better way to get money directly into the economy than forgiveness of student debt.

From an interview with the NME :-

“I don’t have the simple answer for it at this stage – I don’t think anybody would expect me to, because this election was called unexpectedly; we had two weeks to prepare all of this – but I’m very well aware of that problem,” said Corbyn. “And I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. I will deal with it.”

I will await your apology but wont hold my breath.

Extend your quote so you don't lose the context:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/no-corbyn-did-not-pledge-to-abolish-student-debt

The 'deal with it' is clearly relating to the earlier section of the interview which mentioned looking for ways to ameliorate the issue.

Any more selective quotes for me to shoot down?

Quoted from TAGG

Thats my point.
Its peoples choice if they want to go further with their education. Stop moaning about having to pay loans back its part of life.
My choice was to leave school on the Friday and and start working the next week. I didn't ask the tax payer to finance my first few years in work so why the fook should I (through my taxes) subsidies some one who will have the ability to earn two,three or four times more than I will ever earn??

I have three and six year old girls and they have a savings pot if they want to go to UNI when they get older hopefully there will be enough cash in their accounts so they dont have to bum off the tax payers of England.

Yes I get that but sometimes you have to make it a bit more attractive for people to want to make that choice otherwise you end up with the situation in my dentists where there is a Polish dentist, one from the Czech Republic and one from South Africa. Since the Government withdrew nursing bursaries 10000 fewer people decided to take up nursing. As someone who wants (I believe) to see us out of the E.U. doesn't don't you worry about how those nursing/dentistry/doctor positions are going to be filled?