"Mr Sheard" sent me this article which I am putting on here.

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Why is it that supporters want to park their cars etc outside the ground, and in so doing foul up the streets around Blundell Park?
There is a super bus service in both directions in Grimsby Road, so why not park and ride?

I see cars literally abandoned each home game, parked illegally, on house and shop fronts, across drives and pavement drops. Why do they do it? Come on you “supporters”, you would not stand for this at your own homes, you would want to get in and out, or park on your own drive. There is a good case for a park and ride and serious enforcement. Both would provide safe, trouble-free parking and clearer street for all persons, be they fans or just pedestrians, to enjoy a better experience.

Now tell me I am wrong.

I used the bus today but there is simply not the capacity for everyone to use it. They are already quite full, especially on the way home. Even if the bus company layed on extra buses they just won't have anywhere near the quantity of vehicles or drivers to cope.

When you park legally they see their @rse anyway, they think they own the bit of road outside of their house.

He bought a house there, the club was there first, my mesage to you Mr Sheard, is shutup moaning :)

I’d rather push my car to BP than get the bus but each to their own.

Unfortunately you only buy the house not the road.

Needs to be a proper shuttle service between BP and Town.

Also, learn the lessons for the new ground and plan in adequate public transport, walking and cycle routes so people have other options.  PP (assuming it ever happens!) is at the centre of a 3 mile radius of 90% of North East Lincolnshire's population, so there's no reason the club shouldn't be aiming to negate the need for private cars, which are a massively inefficient use of precious floorspace around a new ground.

Illegal parking is wrong. Wherever it is. End of.

If it's people parking legally in the streets around the ground then he hasn't got a leg to stand on. It's one of those thing you have to accept if you move near a football ground in an area like that where there are no big car parks. It's going to happen.

As for buses, you'll need 50 double decker bus journeys for just 3500 people (let's say the rest are away fans on the train and a few drivers/walkers). All arriving/departing within a 1 hour window before and after the game. So the buses will need to unload and load up a full complement of passengers near enough every minute. Let's be generous and extend the time window to an hour and forty minutes before and after, and say two minutes. Logistically impossible. Of course if there is stoppage time the buses will have to park up and wait for a bit longer. Somewhere.

Then where are the parking spaces for the drivers at the start/end of the journey or along the route?

As for routes to the ground, people are coming from north, south and west of the ground. Are they all to be funnelled along to the ends of Cleethorpe and Grimsby Roads? You'll then be funnelling traffic that might otherwise come across the middle into those two points.

Suppose, parking spaces were there for people to park and then walk up to the bus stop for the route to/from BP. How is parking around BP going to be enforced so it's residents only? Obviously you need wardens, and wardens cost money. The cost of 'prosecutions' can be covered out of the fines collected, but there'll still be the patrolling costs. In most places where there are residents only parking schemes the residents pay an annual fee for the permit. They're usually allowed a limited number of passes for their visitors - let's set aside the possibility of a roaring black market trade in these for match days.

Is Mr Sheard prepared to pay for a residents only scheme, and to persuade his neighbours it's a good idea too? And are they prepared to lobby the council to arrange for a decent park and ride scheme, with enough suitable parking in places that isn't going to create congestion in other parts of the town? And persuade the council to find a way of enforcing it on the bus company? All for a cost that is fair and reasonable to people going to the match (who are tax payers too).

Sounds like the solution is in Mr Sheard's hands.

Soooo,
in summary....





fck off you whining tw@t.   :P

Quoted from moosey_club

Soooo,
in summary....





fck off you whining tw@t.   :P

You might well say that but I couldn't possibly comment.

My experience is the same as that of promotion plaice, and I've had a few bad experiences parking in perfectly legal spaces. (I tend to park on or around Queen Mary Avenue).

Having said that, I would use a Park & Ride if available. How about flattening Great Coates and using that as a giant park & ride car park?

Maybe Mr Sheard could write to the local council, for the attention of Mr deFreitas and suggest we have a new stadium with lots of parking?

How many cars are parked illegally? My guess would be less than 1%.

You get the same in Town centres. Basically anywhere were you get a few people attending

Best thing would be to get a nice new ground were many more people can walk, cycle and get the bus to. Everyone's a winner

Before I moved away I actually lived on Sydney St which is where I park now oddly enough. This was at the time of Buckley MK1 so attendances where good. When it was a night game I had the double whammy of getting home about 7.15 from work trying to park close to home and then legging it to BP for kick off, usually I have to move the car after the game so I can see how frustrating this can be especially if people park illegally.

A park and ride would help as would some proper road markings on corners etc...there is plenty of space to set something up and it would gather some good will locally. What I don’t understand is why this is suddenly an issue though after years with bigger attendances at BP.

It's for 3 hours a fortnight.

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I see cars literally abandoned

Literally? So the have no keeper on the DVLA database and are untaxed, stationary for a significant amount of time (this would be more than couple of hours),
they’re significantly damaged, run down or unroadworthy - with flat tyres, wheels removed or broken windows
they’re burned out
they have number plates missing?

I literally suggest you  learn the meaning of the word literally.

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on house and shop fronts,

Could you point out to me which particular section of law prohibits parking on the roadside in front of someone's house.

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acrosss and pavement drops

report it to the council and get them ticketed. Although I'd love to know how often you genuinely see this, in the all the years of walking up from Queen Mary Ave I've only seen it a couple of times, and how you know the cars belong to people going to Blundell Park and not to friends and family of the owners of the driveway.

I would use a park and ride service if it was available,

BUT

It is not so I think you should address your comments to the council.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Illegal parking is wrong. Wherever it is. End of.

If it's people parking legally in the streets around the ground then he hasn't got a leg to stand on. It's one of those thing you have to accept if you move near a football ground in an area like that where there are no big car parks. It's going to happen.

As for buses, you'll need 50 double decker bus journeys for just 3500 people (let's say the rest are away fans on the train and a few drivers/walkers). All arriving/departing within a 1 hour window before and after the game. So the buses will need to unload and load up a full complement of passengers near enough every minute. Let's be generous and extend the time window to an hour and forty minutes before and after, and say two minutes. Logistically impossible. Of course if there is stoppage time the buses will have to park up and wait for a bit longer. Somewhere.

Then where are the parking spaces for the drivers at the start/end of the journey or along the route?

As for routes to the ground, people are coming from north, south and west of the ground. Are they all to be funnelled along to the ends of Cleethorpe and Grimsby Roads? You'll then be funnelling traffic that might otherwise come across the middle into those two points.

Suppose, parking spaces were there for people to park and then walk up to the bus stop for the route to/from BP. How is parking around BP going to be enforced so it's residents only? Obviously you need wardens, and wardens cost money. The cost of 'prosecutions' can be covered out of the fines collected, but there'll still be the patrolling costs. In most places where there are residents only parking schemes the residents pay an annual fee for the permit. They're usually allowed a limited number of passes for their visitors - let's set aside the possibility of a roaring black market trade in these for match days.

Is Mr Sheard prepared to pay for a residents only scheme, and to persuade his neighbours it's a good idea too? And are they prepared to lobby the council to arrange for a decent park and ride scheme, with enough suitable parking in places that isn't going to create congestion in other parts of the town? And persuade the council to find a way of enforcing it on the bus company? All for a cost that is fair and reasonable to people going to the match (who are tax payers too).

Sounds like the solution is in Mr Sheard's hands.

Near top town residents in the side streets around Lord Street, got the council to bring in a residents only scheme and most are now trying to get rid off it due to extortionate rising costs from the council year on year. It's the same in parts of Lincoln and elsewhere, a good idea to start with but every council seems to increase costs for these every year. The problem in some areas is double yellow lines on both sides of the road which in most places is unnecessary for example around Louth town centre.

The club was there before Mr Sheard and the issue of parking back when we in the Championship was well known maybe he is new to the area. A park and ride is a good idea however is not the clubs remit to provide one so he needs to write to the council. One thing he has to bear in mind is that park and ride requires you to pay where if you just park your car near the ground there is no cost, which does he think will happen.

When our group go to BP we get dropped off by the missus and picked up at the end.

Usually 2 or 3 enforcement officer patrolling round B.P. on matchdays.

I live close to the ground, and yes it is a pain on matchdays, but hey! the ground was there before i moved there so i get on with it and have learned to adapt and accept it.  No big deal.
I also only nouth the house, not the road outside.

Bought not nouth

Years ago I used to get the bus when they laid on loads of extra ones but gave up after being stranded one time too often. I now walk to the station and get a train to Grimsby.

But this "ownership" of the road out side houses is spreading. I had got abuse for parking in town legally because I was in someones place.    This is where there was once a residents parking scheme which stopped when they wouldnt pay the increased fee.   Trouble is they have the advantage because we are all in fear of having our car vandalised. What happened to the enterprising young kids that used to watch you car for a bob?

People knocking down their front walls to create extra parking for themselves and expecting you not to park in front of their house (not just where there is a dropped pavement) is one of the bad habits round here. But I digress.

Why not open up the Imp car park would help a bit.

That happens up here too KM. I’ve seen someone paint the line on the road themself too!

They should of turned the Leaking Boot into car parking space, not a bad distance from the sea front or the ground.

Always makes me laugh how apoplectic people get over cars and parking. As soon as sites for a new ground were mentioned, the first thing you get is the words "traffic congestion" thrown into the mix. I walk to the ground and back, totalling about three miles down Carr Lane, Queen Mary Ave and past Sidney Park. Must see about a dozen road rage incidents on my walk with cars snarled up, especially down Park View- it's hilarious. Was especially bad yesterday with all the extra fans. Unfortunately, when most towns were built and football grounds sited, no one knew how popular cars would become. Towns simply were not built to handle all this traffic. Try walking; it's good for you and after a particularly sh1te match, i've calmed down a lot by the time i reach home.

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

They should of turned the Leaking Boot into car parking space, not a bad distance from the sea front or the ground.

No they shouldn't. Too many car parks and building houses there was a much better use of the space.

Quoted from GrimRob

"Mr Sheard" sent me this article which I am putting on here.

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Why is it that supporters want to park their cars etc outside the ground, and in so doing foul up the streets around Blundell Park?
There is a super bus service in both directions in Grimsby Road, so why not park and ride?

I see cars literally abandoned each home game, parked illegally, on house and shop fronts, across drives and pavement drops. Why do they do it? Come on you “supporters”, you would not stand for this at your own homes, you would want to get in and out, or park on your own drive. There is a good case for a park and ride and serious enforcement. Both would provide safe, trouble-free parking and clearer street for all persons, be they fans or just pedestrians, to enjoy a better experience.

Now tell me I am wrong.

Exactly but unfortunately fans think it's different  as regards BP. I keep hearing this comment about " if you buy a house near the ground then you should expect it" , well that is complete ballocks in so many ways. Car ownership has greatly expanded over the last twenty years but there has been no increase in car parking facilities near BP. A lot of those people who live in the surrounding streets have probably lived their quite some time and seen this problem get worse. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to park on your own front, a situation that most people in suburbia take for granted.
I have read all the posts on this thread and the saddening thing is the total arrogance of some posters who don't even consider the locals problem as long as they can park where they want on matchdays. It may not be illegal to park where some of them do but surely there must be a sense of social conscience if they were in a similar situation.

Quoted from rancido

Exactly but unfortunately fans think it's different  as regards BP. I keep hearing this comment about " if you buy a house near the ground then you should expect it" , well that is complete ballocks in so many ways. Car ownership has greatly expanded over the last twenty years but there has been no increase in car parking facilities near BP. A lot of those people who live in the surrounding streets have probably lived their quite some time and seen this problem get worse. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to park on your own front, a situation that most people in suburbia take for granted.
I have read all the posts on this thread and the saddening thing is the total arrogance of some posters who don't even consider the locals problem as long as they can park where they want on matchdays. It may not be illegal to park where some of them do but surely there must be a sense of social conscience if they were in a similar situation.

Why is it complete balderdash? It stands to reason that if you buy a house near a major venue that attracts thousands of people, then the amount of cars that appear when there is an event happening will increase dramatically. If you have a valid tax disc, you can park anywhere you like as long as it's not in an illegal spot. If that happens to be "on somebody's front", then so what? They purchase the house, not the street in front of it.

Must be mildly annoying for the bloke - for about 69 hours a year.

The growth in car ownership has been a lot longer than twenty years rancido. I can't remember a time when there weren't cars parked as far afield as Dugard Rd and I first started going in the early 70s. When car ownership was lower crowds were higher so whilst the proportion who went by car was lower, the absolute numbers of cars going to BP would be not much different I bet.

I bought a house in a road once.
People used to drive down it and park on it and I thought balderdash to this, I'm never buying a house on a road ever again.

Quoted from rancido

Car ownership has greatly expanded over the last twenty years but there has been no increase in car parking facilities near BP.

And yet the parking issue hasn't gotten any worse. 20 years ago we where in the first division/championship, with gates bigger than they are now, and it was definitely harder to park then than it is now. I've always parked on Queen Mary Ave, and there are definitely less cars on matchdays than there used to be

Quoted from scrumble

And yet the parking issue hasn't gotten any worse. 20 years ago we where in the first division/championship, with gates bigger than they are now, and it was definitely harder to park then than it is now. I've always parked on Queen Mary Ave, and there are definitely less cars on matchdays than there used to be

This.

Yesterday with a gate of 7500+ parking was relatively easy.
Another modern phenomenon which people are offended by.
Like the folks around the hospital getting upset by people legally parking on the street-thus avoiding disgraceful private parking fees.

Quoted from rancido

. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to park on your own front, a situation that most people in suburbia take for granted.
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It is not you own front. Your property ends at the footpath. The road is for any legal road users on a first come first served basis. It may inconvenience you a bit but that is how roads work If you don't like it buy a place with private parking (and a dropped curb)

If Peaks Parkway does get built I assume there will be a charge for parking outside in the car park, probably about £7.00 going on other clubs charges.

There was talk of it being around £10. I think that is sufficiently high to make people park close by and walk. I don't blame them either as it is expensive enough as it is for a game. I think these ventures should be forced to give free parking.

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If Peaks Parkway does get built I assume there will be a charge for parking outside in the car park, probably about £7.00 going on other clubs charges.

Definitely and parking adjacent to the stadium there certainly should be.
Obviously the idea is to encourage people not to drive to the stadium.
Park and ride,walking route,secure cycle storage etc.
Or park on someones front in Weelsby Ave and walk. (clap)

I would gladly pay £7 to park at our new stadium,

BUT

I bet I don't.

Im surprised they don't open up the old Ramsdens car park on match days, could be a money maker

Quoted from mrsd

Im surprised they don't open up the old Ramsdens car park on match days, could be a money maker

Why, when we can all park on Mr Sheard's front for free ?

At one time there used to be bus services to and from BP on match days but it finished because there was no demand for it, just like there is no demand for bike parking in people’s front yards.

So many supporters come from a fair distance especially as the council has busily encouraged new houses out of town for years now. Very few people around BP were in their homes in those days, they all bought them knowing that the streets round there are choked every night not just on match days but of course the gates were low. Now there are more fans and there are more cars.  So in the end, sorry but I can have little sympathy for Mr S. .

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

At one time there used to be bus services to and from BP on match days but it finished because there was no demand for it, just like there is no demand for bike parking in people’s front yards.

So many supporters come from a fair distance especially as the council has busily encouraged new houses out of town for years now. Very few people around BP were in their homes in those days, they all bought them knowing that the streets round there are choked every night not just on match days but of course the gates were low. Now there are more fans and there are more cars.  So in the end, sorry but I can have little sympathy for Mr S. .

My sister who started going late 60s(?) said there used to be hundreds of bikes just left on the ground outside the ground. None were locked because they were all the same and everyone had one.

There are always traffic wardens around here on match day..
Like I've said before the ground was here before anyone that lives around here.
I suggest if they dont like it flipping move 👍

Quoted from TAGG

There are always traffic wardens around here on match day..
Like I've said before the ground was here before anyone that lives around here.
I suggest if they dont like it flipping move 👍

Yep. It was an edge of town development. Think as far as Neville Street might have been built at that point. The rest of the area was open fields - according to Bob Lincoln, the board considered a proposal of buying all the available land up to have a cricket pitch, tennis courts etc. to turn it into a multi-sports complex. Had they accepted the proposal we'd have had enough room to build a swanky new stadium with parking.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

My sister who started going late 60s(?) said there used to be hundreds of bikes just left on the ground outside the ground. None were locked because they were all the same and everyone had one.

My Dad lived in a house on one of the streets near the ground during the 50s (Tiverton Street, perhaps - can't remember which one) and I'm pretty sure he mentioned something about people paying to leave their bikes in the front yard during a game!

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My Dad lived in a house on one of the streets near the ground during the 50s (Tiverton Street, perhaps - can't remember which one) and I'm pretty sure he mentioned something about people paying to leave their bikes in the front yard during a game!

Yeah, someone else said that. Her and her mates used to turn up well into the first half and just leave their bikes with hundreds of others outside and get in for nowt or next to nowt.

Quoted from realist

There was talk of it being around £10. I think that is sufficiently high to make people park close by and walk. I don't blame them either as it is expensive enough as it is for a game. I think these ventures should be forced to give free parking.

Probably the best compromise is to give STH a parking permit of the season for say £40.

I for one would not renew my season ticket if parking was over £5.

Quoted from Maringer

My Dad lived in a house on one of the streets near the ground during the 50s (Tiverton Street, perhaps - can't remember which one) and I'm pretty sure he mentioned something about people paying to leave their bikes in the front yard during a game!

I and some friends used to go by bike and leave them for a small fee in the small garden of an old lady's house in Imperial Avenue.

We used to get there early and get into the ground for I think 1s 9d and climb over the gate at the bottom of the Pontoon to save the 6d entry fee. ;)

My grand-parents lived on Elliston Street (opposite the old Loftus's toyshop on Grimsby Road) in the 1960s and early 70s.  We used to call in before matches.

You could gauge the size of the crowd by comparing the number of cars parked outside at sat 1.30pm and 2pm each home game.  This rough assessment proved to be a pretty reliable indicator.

They never complained about the visiting cars as they did not own a car.   :)

From a recent programme  ;D
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1962 to be exact

Quoted from arryarryarry

I and some friends used to go by bike and leave them for a small fee in the small garden of an old lady's house in Imperial Avenue.

We used to get there early and get into the ground for I think 1s 9d and climb over the gate at the bottom of the Pontoon to save the 6d entry fee. ;)

I can see you being contacted very soon by getyourfactsright ;D

Quoted from 1mickylyons

I can see you being contacted very soon by getyourfactsright ;D

I would refer Your Honour to the Limitations Act of 1980. :P

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Wrong thread mate. That answer should be on the 'when did we last play attractive football' thread  ;).

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1962 to be exact

Wrong thread mate. That answer should be on the 'when did we last play attractive football' thread  ;).

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Promotion football as well as attractive football..

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Yeah, someone else said that. Her and her mates used to turn up well into the first half and just leave their bikes with hundreds of others outside and get in for nowt or next to nowt.

You could get in for free at half time KM

Me and my mates used to do it when we had no pocket money left or my Dad was at work.

Quoted from grimsby pete

You could get in for free at half time KM

Me and my mates used to do it when we had no pocket money left or my Dad was at work.

Aye that was what she said.

Quoted from grimsby pete

You could get in for free at half time KM

Me and my mates used to do it when we had no pocket money left or my Dad was at work.

Yeah Pete - I always remember the "half time - free entrance" thing

My dad used to take me along if the game sounded like it was going ok ( we only lived in Lovett Street so not far to go once he'd decided we should go )

I think one of the first times he did this with me was the time we put seven past Scunny... 5-0 at half time I think it was