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I really hope this gets the attendance it deserves.

Both members and those who are perhaps unsure or down right anti the Trust should get out and voice their views and help shape the Trust going forward.

Rather than post on here 'what has the Trust ever done for the regular fans' get down to BP and tell them what you want the Trust to be. They arent mind-readers.

UTM

Quoted from Kristine

Yes that was my thought, all feedback has be collated to be discussed on Saturday. I think the Trust has already made headway with some of the points that came in so we look at how we can address more.

When you say "the Trust has already made headway" are the members of the Trust aware of the what the feedback is? or is it the case that you use "the Trust" as a synonym for what is actually the Trust board?

I just wonder if the Trust board think that they are The Trust.

The trust board have made headway already on the main issue that members made via email, twitter and facebook which was communication and the lack of. I think that is a point in the early days of re focusing of the trust as a whole that most can see has had a marked improvement already. The latest board meeting minutes also show further plans in that area.

We as a board look to address more of those, starting with the open meeting tomorrow.

Hope that clears up what I said and meant?

UTM

Quoted from pizzzza

When you say "the Trust has already made headway" are the members of the Trust aware of the what the feedback is? or is it the case that you use "the Trust" as a synonym for what is actually the Trust board?

I just wonder if the Trust board think that they are The Trust.

I certainly don't. But members are always, always welcome to come along and get involved - hence the open meeting. Some people prefer to hide behind the anonymity of a keyboard because it's easy to sit and snipe. I know I did. But actually you can affect change by getting involved. So I did. We'd encourage others to do the same.

I can not make it from Suffolk,

BUT

Can someone ask the question " Is it right for our non chairman to tell the fans to F OFF "

Quoted from grimsby pete

I can not make it from Suffolk,

BUT

Can someone ask the question " Is it right for our non chairman to tell the fans to F OFF "

I'm not sure how that affects the Trust, Pete?

Quoted from grimsby pete

I can not make it from Suffolk,

BUT

Can someone ask the question " Is it right for our non chairman to tell the fans to F OFF "

Is it right for you as such a fine supporter from his keyboard in Sulfolk to abuse John Fenty on a regular basis.

love to see how you would react to the SH1t

If I was him, id tell all you warriors and o so fine thinking after the event sorts to F,OFF all together

Can't make it on Saturday but would like to submit some questions. How can I send them in?

Quoted from grimslaa

Can't make it on Saturday but would like to submit some questions. How can I send them in?

You can DM them to me if you like?

Quoted from Squarkus

Is it right for you as such a fine supporter from his keyboard in Sulfolk to abuse John Fenty on a regular basis.

love to see how you would react to the SH1t

If I was him, id tell all you warriors and o so fine thinking after the event sorts to F,OFF all together

good to see a consistent response!

Quoted from Squarkus

Is it right for you as such a fine supporter from his keyboard in Sulfolk to abuse John Fenty on a regular basis.

love to see how you would react to the SH1t

If I was him, id tell all you warriors and o so fine thinking after the event sorts to F,OFF all together

I did say at the time it was reported by KM that I did not have a problem with him having a go back after the fans had been giving in a hard time,

I was wondering what the Trust thought on the matter.

Quoted from bax

You can DM them to me if you like?

The term is PM not DM (PM = Private Message)
Sorry for being picky

Sorry I can't be there but would like to ask the Trust to ask the club's board to contemplate changing the way they communicate with the fans - we are, after all, the paying customers.

Quoted from Squarkus

Is it right for you as such a fine supporter from his keyboard in Sulfolk to abuse John Fenty on a regular basis.

love to see how you would react to the SH1t

If I was him, id tell all you warriors and o so fine thinking after the event sorts to F,OFF all together

Are you saying I am not entitled to a view because I do not get to many games now ?

I have seen Town play far more than you in the last 60 odd years I bet.

I do not have any problem with you thinking Fenty is a good non chairman,

Pity you can not respect my opinion even if you disagree.

Quoted from bax

They can - you can DM me if you like and we can use on Sat.

I just thought I'd share it on here.

I really appreciate the great work those at the Trust did to raise the money that dragged us over the line to get us promoted. I do think that the Trust has been taken for granted by those at the club as a fundraiser now. I'd like to see the Trust keep any money raised in a rainy day fund in case the Trust needs to run the club.

I'd also like to see the Trust relinquish its seat on the board to allow the Trust to be more vocal on issues such as the checkatrade trophy. I feel that the Trust canvassed fans and the club completely ignored the results of this.

I'd also like to see the Trust provide vocal opposition to 'benign' loans that the club owes to directors.

I appreciate that not everyone will share these views but thought I'd send them anyway. Would've liked to have made it.

Quoted from Kristine

The trust board have made headway already on the main issue that members made via email, twitter and facebook which was communication and the lack of. I think that is a point in the early days of re focusing of the trust as a whole that most can see has had a marked improvement already. The latest board meeting minutes also show further plans in that area.

We as a board look to address more of those, starting with the open meeting tomorrow.

Hope that clears up what I said and meant?

UTM

Thanks for the clarification.

Quoted from bax

I certainly don't. But members are always, always welcome to come along and get involved - hence the open meeting. Some people prefer to hide behind the anonymity of a keyboard because it's easy to sit and snipe. I know I did. But actually you can affect change by getting involved. So I did. We'd encourage others to do the same.

I am happy with my level of involvement, time does not allow me to "get involved" more. I buy my ST, go to the match every couple of weeks and post on the fishy every so often. Therefore why are my opinions "sniping" just because they are aired on here?

I didn't accuse you of sniping? I said some people snipe. And they do!

Quoted from bax

I didn't accuse you of sniping? I said some people snipe. And they do!

One person's sniping is another's right to an opinion.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

One person's sniping is another's right to an opinion.

Will you be voicing your opinions this morning then Old Codger?

I am not a member of the trust currently and think the position on the board is a must.

Unsure how viable this is but it would be great if the trust could find some external investment and work towards taking control of the club. I would like the club to be in a position where it is 51% owned by the trust which I believe is the case in Germany.

I attended the trust open question and answer meeting this morning. This is the first GTFC related meeting/forum I have attended and was pleasantly surprised with the points raised and with the feedback given. The Trust board appear to have some intelligent and highly motivated people, with good ideas articulated well. The 1-hour meeting can be viewed on the Trusts website page.

But I must say I share the frustration of some of those in the room on the few supporters who turned up. With so many concerns raised on the Fishy and other social media over the last few weeks I expected far more than the 10 or so non-trust board members that attended. I'm sorry Old Codger and Bigdog, but based on this evidence of continuing apathy on behalf of supporters to actively engage with change, then the chances of significant changes on the Grimsby board look slim to say the least.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Sorry I can't be there but would like to ask the Trust to ask the club's board to contemplate changing the way they communicate with the fans - we are, after all, the paying customers.

I did say I couldn't be there!

The post was not intended to criticize either you or Bigdog. But as Fishy posters pushing for change at GTFC, thought you also would be disapointed with the low turnout at the meeting.

Quoted from heppy88

I attended the trust open question and answer meeting this morning. This is the first GTFC related meeting/forum I have attended and was pleasantly surprised with the points raised and with the feedback given. The Trust board appear to have some intelligent and highly motivated people, with good ideas articulated well. The 1-hour meeting can be viewed on the Trusts website page.

But I must say I share the frustration of some of those in the room on the few supporters who turned up. With so many concerns raised on the Fishy and other social media over the last few weeks I expected far more than the 10 or so non-trust board members that attended. I'm sorry Old Codger and Bigdog, but based on this evidence of continuing apathy on behalf of supporters to actively engage with change, then the chances of significant changes on the Grimsby board look slim to say the least.

Thanks for the feedback Heppy. I've recently moved 1000 miles away so couldn't make it. It's a shame that there is apathy towards physically making a difference. I think that most fans would like to be presented with something they could buy into rather than having the confidence to contribute. It only takes a handful of like-minded, determined people to push an idea forward in any case.

From the poll on here, it seems like there is a majority agreement that the club needs further investment and also that while not continuing in total control, JF remaining involved. If the board and the trust can have an honest debate and somehow find a way forward between themselves to attract further investment then I would think the majority of GTFC fans will be happier and more hopeful than they are now..

Quoted from heppy88

The post was not intended to criticize either you or Bigdog. But as Fishy posters pushing for change at GTFC, thought you also would be disapointed with the low turnout at the meeting.

Sorry heppy88! I truly believe that more of the same will result in exactly that. Surely John Fenty must also realise that the current stagnant impasse between debt and progress is a recipe for a dull future.

I have accepted the fact that Fenty is going nowhere in more ways than one,

So we will not get any other investors for that reason,

So I will try and stop calling him and get on with supporting the team.

I'm not suprised only 10 people turned up, I'm very suprised only 25 people watched it online (on average, I had it on my phone throughout but only caught half of it) It just annoys me a bit that we have a chunk of supporters who use forums like the fishy moaning and complaining and asking questions but when given the opportunity to get the answers, meet the people they slag off face to face or even just email in and watch from their sofa, they can't be bothered. This isn't aimed at everyone on the fishy, it's just a small minority of people i see not just on here but social media as well. I kind of feel sorry for the chaps who did the meeting today. Anyway, I think from what i caught their was some excellent questions and the answers where better than i expected and not just batted away.

utm

We are all Town fans, we all have our own opinions. John Fenty and his brothers are huge Town fans aren't they Squarkus.
Opinions are going to differ, we are all individuals after all.
We need to respect each other, and each others right to express an opinion, we have this right that many people do not.
If you do not agree with somebodies opinion, that is fine, say why if you want and explain your opinion. There doesn't have to be what is at times vitriol towards each other and the subject of the conversation, whether it is JF, RS or any player or poster on here.

Respect Ladies and Gents, we all expect it and should give it.

Well if only 10 or so people turned up then there are a couple of conclusions that could be drawn....

The general support has no real regard for the trust ...

or

all is well and everyone is happy with how the trust is currently running...

Quoted from moosey_club

Well if only 10 or so people turned up then there are a couple of conclusions that could be drawn....

The general support has no real regard for the trust ...

or

all is well and everyone is happy with how the trust is currently running...

Or possibly large swathes of the support who are or have been Mariner`s Trust Members have become fed up and frustrated with them towing the party line more often than not?

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Or possibly large swathes of the support who are or have been Mariner`s Trust Members have become fed up and frustrated with them towing the party line more often than not?

If that is the case this was the opportunity to turn up and tell them. It is the supporters trust as far as I am concerned and the board move forward in the direction the fans tell them

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Or possibly large swathes of the support who are or have been Mariner`s Trust Members have become fed up and frustrated with them towing the party line more often than not?

examples?

Quoted from Cloudy

If that is the case this was the opportunity to turn up and tell them. It is the supporters trust as far as I am concerned and the board move forward in the direction the fans tell them

Exactly! Overriding theme of Saturday was if you want something different, tell us and get involved!

I've always thought that people will only be interested in the Trust when the club is in a crisis. It shouldn't be that way, but people are more inclined to take action after something has happened.

Was anything decided at the meeting?

Quoted from headingly_mariner

I've always thought that people will only be interested in the Trust when the club is in a crisis. It shouldn't be that way, but people are more inclined to take action after something has happened.

Was anything decided at the meeting?

I think that's a fair point; when something big happens (Op Pro, Stevenage) people are more interested than they are on a day to day level.

In terms of decisions, it was pointed out that if the membership wants us to have medium and longer term aims they need to tell us what they want and people need to step up to help them come to fruition.

Compounded by the fact short notice of meeting ,due to other commitments I could not get to Grimsby until 13.00.

The Trust has outlived its usefulness (which was never great in my opinion)

Its seat on the board was always just to placate (and to get hold of its shares) it never had any power other than to make the tea extra weak or leave the pencils blunt.

It gave hope in the dark days that's about all, Fenty still rules everything and that will not ever be challenged by the Trust.

But you're a perpetually miserable glass smashed to bits kind of guy aren't you?

It was the timing of the meeting that put my mates and I off. We can just make the kickoff. If we cancelled the last job we might have made the meeting,,but what do we do with the couple of hours afterwards, ? As we all had to drive later a couple of hours in the pub was not possible. A bit more thought to the tome would have gone a long way to boosting the attendance

It's only by chance I saw the Facebook live footage ( after the event btw - I didn't know it was happening, not that I could have got there anyway )

My first thoughts were how few people had attended but nonetheless I watched it and all I can say is that there maybe are some things that might need to be worked on to get people on board and more involved, but one thing is for sure, everything that's being done by the trust is for our benefit as fans of GTFC!!

Quoted from realist

It was the timing of the meeting that put my mates and I off. We can just make the kickoff. If we cancelled the last job we might have made the meeting,,but what do we do with the couple of hours afterwards, ? As we all had to drive later a couple of hours in the pub was not possible. A bit more thought to the tome would have gone a long way to boosting the attendance

Think is was done to allow the bar to open on time??

What time would have been better? Immediately after a game would have been better perhaps?

Quoted from Cloudy

Think is was done to allow the bar to open on time??

What time would have been better? Immediately after a game would have been better perhaps?

We put it on on a Saturday in the first place because we'd received feedback from exiles saying they had no chance (entirely understandably) of making an evening meeting. A lot of people continue to use the bar after the game has finished and to try to organise a meeting where people could make points that could be heard or debated on was deemed too difficult.

No problem with time or day if there was greater notice,I would have attended but could not get to Gy untill 1.00 p.m.

Quoted from friskneymariner

No problem with time or day if there was greater notice,I would have attended but could not get to Gy untill 1.00 p.m.

we'd publicised it for about 2 weeks across emails, social media etc etc

That's all a bit too modern to reach Friskney to be fair.

Quoted from LH

That's all a bit too modern to reach Friskney to be fair.

That's truer than you think.

Quoted from bax

we'd publicised it for about 2 weeks across emails, social media etc etc

If that is the case you need to consider your sample validity,i.e that is by definition only those who are on social media and e-mail are aware.,this excludes a significant amount of the population.,I fought all my Public Sector career against digital default.

Quoted from friskneymariner

by definition only those who are on social media and e-mail are aware

You know what "etc" means right?

Quoted from pizzzza

You know what "etc" means right?

Wrong no clue in what context you are using etc,first I knew about it was Bax's post of Sept 13.

Quoted from friskneymariner

If that is the case you need to consider your sample validity,i.e that is by definition only those who are on social media and e-mail are aware.,this excludes a significant amount of the population.,I fought all my Public Sector career against digital default.

Actually the vast majority of the population now use email and social media...

I did say etc - it was covered in the local press, in the GTFC football programme and we spoke to plenty of people too. But we'll never catch everyone.

Actually 33% of the population as of 2014 do not have access to e-mail,do not wish to embark on Research Methods 101 but the reasons so many polls are wrong in general elections is because they relied on e-surveys thus excluding a significant tranche of the population.
The idea that you are propagating that the majority of people have access to e-mail may be correct,but there is a significant proportion of the population that still don't and your attitude marginalises and excludes a demographic and is at odds with any equality of opportunity policy,quite disappointed that someone in your position is not conversant with the basic principles of social inclusion.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Actually 33% of the population as of 2014 do not have access to e-mail,do not wish to embark on Research Methods 101 but the reasons so many polls are wrong in general elections is because they relied on e-surveys thus excluding a significant tranche of the population.
The idea that you are propagating that the majority of people have access to e-mail may be correct,but there is a significant proportion of the population that still don't and your attitude marginalises and excludes a demographic and is at odds with any equality of opportunity policy,quite disappointed that someone in your position is not conversant with the basic principles of social inclusion.

Did you read the second part of my post? ;D

Quoted from friskneymariner

Actually 33% of the population as of 2014 do not have access to e-mail,do not wish to embark on Research Methods 101 but the reasons so many polls are wrong in general elections is because they relied on e-surveys thus excluding a significant tranche of the population.
The idea that you are propagating that the majority of people have access to e-mail may be correct,but there is a significant proportion of the population that still don't and your attitude marginalises and excludes a demographic and is at odds with any equality of opportunity policy,quite disappointed that someone in your position is not conversant with the basic principles of social inclusion.

I think you'll find that the online polls were generally better than the phone polls. People tend to be more honest with a computer than with a human speaking to them.

You have to ask yourself how likely someone who has no access to any sort of electronic communication and doesn't read the local paper is to turn up at a meeting to discuss issues relating to the trust, especially if its entirely self-driven. The chances are they will know somebody they rely upon to keep them updated of events like this. Anybody who excludes themselves to such an extent is probably not going to have the drive to involve themselves in a meeting of this sort. Before you have a go at me, I have nothing to do with the running of the trust, I am not defending them, just making my point. I'd rather they didn't spend time and effort writing a physical letter to every member.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Actually 33% of the population as of 2014 do not have access to e-mail,do not wish to embark on Research Methods 101 but the reasons so many polls are wrong in general elections is because they relied on e-surveys thus excluding a significant tranche of the population.
The idea that you are propagating that the majority of people have access to e-mail may be correct,but there is a significant proportion of the population that still don't and your attitude marginalises and excludes a demographic and is at odds with any equality of opportunity policy,quite disappointed that someone in your position is not conversant with the basic principles of social inclusion.

What were the trust supposed to do?

They made the announcement that the meeting would be taking place on twitter, message boards such as this, through the local newspaper, in the matchday programme, on Facebook and through e-mails to their members, web sites etc.

Dont think anyone could reasonably expect them to do anymore, but i think you nailed your opinions to the mast in previous threads so my advice to any organisation would be there will be always some who will always sit in the opposite corner whatever you do

UTM

Yes,i did but the blase comment that you consider the majority of people are on e-mail is dangerous and compounds social exclusion,I suggest without wishing to be patronising that you read John Stuart Mills treatise on the Tyranny of the Majority

Too many people are being excluded by dint of digital default.A bland acceptance that we will never reach everybody is a tatict acceptance of the status quo without reflecting how that may be changed. You need to consider how you communicate with hard to reach groups.

Wow! I never, ever thought to read a reference to JS Mill on The Fishy!

That you making assumptions about those of us who sit in the Pontoon.

Quoted from GrimRob

I think you'll find that the online polls were generally better than the phone polls. People tend to be more honest with a computer than with a human speaking to them.

You have to ask yourself how likely someone who has no access to any sort of electronic communication and doesn't read the local paper is to turn up at a meeting to discuss issues relating to the trust, especially if its entirely self-driven. The chances are they will know somebody they rely upon to keep them updated of events like this. Anybody who excludes themselves to such an extent is probably not going to have the drive to involve themselves in a meeting of this sort. Before you have a go at me, I have nothing to do with the running of the trust, I am not defending them, just making my point. I'd rather they didn't spend time and effort writing a physical letter to every member.

Rob that is a very narrow view,what about us fans who live miles from GY who do not see the local media ,or indeed subscribe to social media,think you have a very narrow perspective which I would suspect is held by a younger age group,not all of us live our life on line or feel the need to have to.

Quoted from friskneymariner

That you making assumptions about those of us who sit in the Pontoon.

Don't be so defensive! You must admit it's not regular Fishy fare!! Anyway I sit on the Pontoon along with lots of well educated folks.

I think Friskney raises an interesting question. Not a major dig in my opinion. Just a cautionary note.

Me, I've got no excuse. I simply forgot it was on and didn't look for the live stream.

Quoted from barralad

Don't be so defensive! You must admit it's not regular Fishy fare!! Anyway I sit on the Pontoon along with lots of well educated folks.

Not being the least defensive just playing.

Quoted from barralad

Don't be so defensive! You must admit it's not regular Fishy fare!! Anyway I sit on the Pontoon along with lots of well educated folks.

Yes I know I sit near you.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Not being the least defensive just playing.

Good lad...we're all Town aren't we? 8)

Hope your shingles are better.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Hope your shingles are better.

Kin 'ell mate...never known pain like it for so bloody long. At this rate I might be struggling for the Lincoln game! :o

Cannot remember the last time I missed 3 games on the trot but its looking bad for Newport...
Come and introduce yourself next time!

Quoted from bax

examples?

30 odd from a near 4k attendance suggests you have had a massive drop in interest?

I would suggest the backing the Trust has had from the fans over the past 3 years has dropped off and that may be down to them being victims of their own success with OP.I am not saying the Trust has done anything wrong as such just that many people me included think they are treading water so to speak. Former Chair Chris Parker`s comments regarding where he thought you could get stuck in were of interest to me and I would back that.Personally speaking what I am disappointed with is the deafening silence regarding the Trophy and the Club`s stance and I can only assume the Trust are fearful of having there seat on the board removed if they make any noise? Rightly or wrongly that`s my view and as the Trust are supposed to represent the fans and the vast majority of fans don`t back the competition they need to come out and formally draw a line in the sand.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

30 odd from a near 4k attendance suggests you have had a massive drop in interest?

I would suggest the backing the Trust has had from the fans over the past 3 years has dropped off and that may be down to them being victims of their own success with OP.I am not saying the Trust has done anything wrong as such just that many people me included think they are treading water so to speak. Former Chair Chris Parker`s comments regarding where he thought you could get stuck in were of interest to me and I would back that.Personally speaking what I am disappointed with is the deafening silence regarding the Trophy and the Club`s stance and I can only assume the Trust are fearful of having there seat on the board removed if they make any noise? Rightly or wrongly that`s my view and as the Trust are supposed to represent the fans and the vast majority of fans don`t back the competition they need to come out and formally draw a line in the sand.

The Trust will only ever have as much power as the Club allows them to have. That's the problem. Unfortunately, a democratic vote stopped them from ever being anything more than a voice on the fringe.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The Trust will only ever have as much power as the Club allows them to have. That's the problem. Unfortunately, a democratic vote stopped them from ever being anything more than a voice on the fringe.

I agree however they have proved to me they can do some very good work on behalf of both Club and fans. I just feel they need to distance themselves from our majority shareholder in a constructive manner.The Trust did a great job with the bars and enhancing the matchday experience in my opinion OP speaks for itself and now like Chris Parker said it may be time to look at a next step and what better way than getting stuck into building up our junior and youth teams so we have a future.The Trust need to keep that seat on the board but they need to use it to speak for the fans first and foremost and if that upsets anybody tough the Trust is there to represent the fans and in turn assist the Football Club.

Quoted Text

Personally speaking what I am disappointed with is the deafening silence regarding the Trophy

Which the Trust has publically opposed consistently in the press, in the boardroom and even provided sponsorship for the boycott game to ensure it happened in a safe manner. :X

The problem is that often people on see and hear what they want to. Personally I won't ever go to a Checkatrade Trophy game in its current format and I know other Trust board members feel the same way. Apart from throwing toys out the pram I'm not sure what else the Trust can do - the club is very aware of how the fans feel on the subject. If it chooses to make a decision based on money, which it did, that's for the club to defend.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Rob that is a very narrow view,what about us fans who live miles from GY who do not see the local media ,or indeed subscribe to social media,think you have a very narrow perspective which I would suspect is held by a younger age group,not all of us live our life on line or feel the need to have to.

There's a wide gap between not using it at all and lving your life on line. Lots of people probably check their email a few times a week and that's it, but that would be enough in this case. The trust have to look at the cost and time commitment to alert every single member of their activities. Using online services is free and quick, as is sending out press releases. Once you get to printing out and posting leaflets for members they don't have contact details for then considerable time and money is involved. It's up to them to make that call.

Quoted from GrimRob

There's a wide gap between not using it at all and lving your life on line. Lots of people probably check their email a few times a week and that's it, but that would be enough in this case. The trust have to look at the cost and time commitment to alert every single member of their activities. Using online services is free and quick, as is sending out press releases. Once you get to printing out and posting leaflets for members they don't have contact details for then considerable time and money is involved. It's up to them to make that call.

I agree Rob and as a member of the trust I wouldnt want them spending members money on posting leaflets. Personally i would much rather it was spent either improving the youth section or even giving the BP toilets a spruce up!!!

Quoted from GrimRob

There's a wide gap between not using it at all and lving your life on line. Lots of people probably check their email a few times a week and that's it, but that would be enough in this case. The trust have to look at the cost and time commitment to alert every single member of their activities. Using online services is free and quick, as is sending out press releases. Once you get to printing out and posting leaflets for members they don't have contact details for then considerable time and money is involved. It's up to them to make that call.

Friskney's point is supported by the fact that we have a considerable number of members for whom we don't hold e-mail addresses. If we had to run another all member vote like the one for the shares issue the cost would be enormous. You are right Rob about the expense though. When we produce a newsletter the cost is well into hundreds of pounds to get them posted particularly to exiles. This is money that could better be spent on our work with the youth set up or furthering the experience of the fans. If anyone reading this is a Trust member and you haven't provided us with an e-mail address then please consider doing so.

Quoted from bax

Which the Trust has publically opposed consistently in the press, in the boardroom and even provided sponsorship for the boycott game to ensure it happened in a safe manner. :X

The problem is that often people on see and hear what they want to. Personally I won't ever go to a Checkatrade Trophy game in its current format and I know other Trust board members feel the same way. Apart from throwing toys out the pram I'm not sure what else the Trust can do - the club is very aware of how the fans feel on the subject. If it chooses to make a decision based on money, which it did, that's for the club to defend.

Which is good but then if the others on the board have a different viewpoint it just shows how out of touch they are or more likely they don't care?

Quoted from Cloudy

I agree Rob and as a member of the trust I wouldnt want them spending members money on posting leaflets. Personally i would much rather it was spent either improving the youth section or even giving the BP toilets a spruce up!!!

As an orginisation you have a duty to follow promote equality of opportunity and to promote social inclusion, I accept it is not always easy to achieve,however not to give it any consideration demonstrates the inability to reflect on issues as is the defensive response to my post.Perhaps flyers could be given out at home matches.

You complain that only 10 turned up to meeting yet when possible reasons are voiced you mount a dogmatic defence of your practices.

As a Trust to be effective you need to listen to your critics and reflect how you can use it to improve the orginisation,otherwise you run the danger of generating the perception you are a closed group run purely for the self interests of those in positions of influence,these are basics of member empowerment.

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If any of the people who red crossed this are members of the board of the Trust I would be seriously concerned,if this is the case please explain your opposition to anything in my post.

Quoted from friskneymariner

If any of the people who red crossed this are members of the board of the Trust I would be seriously concerned,if this is the case please explain your opposition to anything in my post.

I haven't. Cloudy (above) isn't a member of the Trust board as far as I'm aware.

Be intrigued to know what anybody could disagree with.

Quoted from friskneymariner

If any of the people who red crossed this are members of the board of the Trust I would be seriously concerned,if this is the case please explain your opposition to anything in my post.

Not guilty m'lud.

Flyers could be an option iin future. Much cheaper than sending out although the people responsible for cleaning up after the game might have something to say. Another option might be advertising on the club scoreboard.

Quoted from barralad

Not guilty m'lud.

Flyers could be an option iin future. Much cheaper than sending out although the people responsible for cleaning up after the game might have something to say. Another option might be advertising on the club scoreboard.

And I would think you might even get a slight discount on the fee as well !!

Or possibly not ;)

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

The term is PM not DM (PM = Private Message)
Sorry for being picky

male private
DM direct message

Why so pathetic?

Quoted from bax

I haven't. Cloudy (above) isn't a member of the Trust board as far as I'm aware.

I certainly am not a member of the Trust board and also for Mr Friskeys information I havent complained about only 10 people turning up to the meeting!

Quoted from Cloudy

I certainly am not a member of the Trust board and also for Mr Friskeys information I havent complained about only 10 people turning up to the meeting!

Touched a nerve?

Wouldn't holding a monthly meeting save all the advertising effort? Hold it before the first Saturday home game every month or something. Obviously there isn't going to be a need for a Q&A session like Saturday's every time so maybe a surgery type event every other month?

As no time is ever going to be a good time for everyone and in the past people have said that they feel like their emails have been ignored so maybe set up some sort service that gives you a query number or something so these emails aren't 'lost' or - as I suspect more likely - amalgamated and covered into wider reaching Trust newsletters etc.

Quoted from LH

Wouldn't holding a monthly meeting save all the advertising effort? Hold it before the first Saturday home game every month or something. Obviously there isn't going to be a need for a Q&A session like Saturday's every time so maybe a surgery type event every other month?

As no time is ever going to be a good time for everyone and in the past people have said that they feel like their emails have been ignored so maybe set up some sort service that gives you a query number or something so these emails aren't 'lost' or - as I suspect more likely - amalgamated and covered into wider reaching Trust newsletters etc.

Emails are now dealt with in a totally different manner so this issue has certainly been rectified. I think the vast bulk of Trust members can be found in the bars pre-match and we have posters up in all bars with our photos on so people know what we look like! Some of us are more approachable than others ;D