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Quoted from fleabag1970

Why bring race into it ? I'm talking about an over rated player milking the club dry

i mentioned nationalities of some of the players we had around that time, they were interesting times having continental players on the books. Enhua negotiated a rate and the club paid it, without doubt he put a shift in, made a big difference in his short spell that helped secure our status that season.
Milked the club.....Butler, Conlon, McGarvey, immediately spring to mind on that one ..not Zhang.

Quoted from fleabag1970

Why bring race into it ? I'm talking about an over rated player milking the club dry

You are aware of what diversity is aren't you?

Clue: it's not an old, old wooden ship used during the civil war era.

Big well done to all who created it, very impressed and as for having Zang Enwar on it ,why not he wasn't here during the darkest days and I for one thought he was a decent player and it was a cultural first that put GTFC in the spotlight for a short while. Really looking forward to seeing it in the flesh

Quoted from Hagrid

The one on the subway isnt the one behind the stand

Oh right, thanks

Oh for a return to the dark days in the Championship.

Quoted from newarkmariner

Big well done to all who created it, very impressed and as for having Zang Enwar on it ,why not he wasn't here during the darkest days and I for one thought he was a decent player and it was a cultural first that put GTFC in the spotlight for a short while. Really looking forward to seeing it in the flesh

Who on earth is Zang Enwar? Can't remember a player of that name turning out for Town 🤔

Oooohhhhhh you mean Zhang Enhua!

Hilda Ogden had a nice muriel. :)

We lost peter handyside because L.L played Zhang ahead of him..A 1 million pound rated player that went for nothing..not zhang's fault though.

How about some catering diversity?

i think its good, however why is Mckeown on it, and not Disley, or Arnold celebrating 'that goal'?

Either way, its incredibly done

What a load of excrement why are we so obsessed with equality and diversity FFS and what a joke they have had to go back to the past nearly 20 years just to get a token Asian, I'm sick of having this excrement rammed down our throughts I'm just surprised there is no female on there surely lisa from the ticket office has earned her place😕

Quoted from Grim74

What a load of excrement why are we so obsessed with equality and diversity FFS and what a joke they have had to go back to the past nearly 20 years just to get a token Asian, I'm sick of having this excrement rammed down our throughts I'm just surprised there is no female on there surely lisa from the ticket office has earned her place😕

Come on.

Nobody is ramming anything anywhere. It's a fantastic mural done by an organisation that promotes diversity (https://en-gb.facebook.com/theequalitypractice/) so that's the theme they obviously went with. It was an ugly wall and now it looks amazing. If you are mad about this then you obviously don't have much to worry about in life!

Great idea, superbly executed in my humble opinion. Well done to all involved.

Quoted from Grim74

What a load of excrement why are we so obsessed with equality and diversity FFS and what a joke they have had to go back to the past nearly 20 years just to get a token Asian, I'm sick of having this excrement rammed down our throughts I'm just surprised there is no female on there surely lisa from the ticket office has earned her place😕

[img]https://cdn4.iconfinder.com/data/icons/ionicons/512/icon-arrow-up-b-128.png[/img]

ODFOD

Should of been a legends wall with the likes of Boylen, Futcher, McDermott, Ford, Groves etc etc players on there through status and not skin colour absolute PC bollox.

Quoted from Grim74

What a load of excrement why are we so obsessed with equality and diversity FFS and what a joke they have had to go back to the past nearly 20 years just to get a token Asian, I'm sick of having this excrement rammed down our throughts I'm just surprised there is no female on there surely lisa from the ticket office has earned her place😕

Wouldn't you be a lot more happy living somewhere more enlightened, like say Russia or North Korea?

Quoted from ginnywings

Wouldn't you be a lot more happy living somewhere more enlightened, like say Russia or North Korea?

People in North Korea are very happy, they are always smiling and clapping ;D

Quoted from grimsby pete

People in North Korea are very happy, they are always smiling and clapping ;D

Only when they aren't starving or being shot for treason.

As for Enhua, I think it very telling that he's a central defender who is remembered for scoring a few goals as opposed to stopping them going in at the other end...

I dislike the promotion of multiculturalism and diversity, they are by definition socially and culturally divisive. The more we see diversity promoted the more divided we become. A mural dedicated to GTFC showing the integration of important people connected with the club past and present, regardless of age, race, creed etc. is a good thing. A mural deliberately designed to show diversity, i.e. celebrating racial differences, is a political statement the club should have no part in.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

I dislike the promotion of multiculturalism and diversity, they are by definition socially and culturally divisive. The more we see diversity promoted the more divided we become. A mural dedicated to GTFC showing the integration of important people connected with the club past and present, regardless of age, race, creed etc. is a good thing. A mural deliberately designed to show diversity, i.e. celebrating racial differences, is a political statement the club should have no part in.

Just to clarify you're saying if we didn't celebrate diversity and ignored social issues then everyone would get on better? If you want a mural showing the people you think are important to the club... make one! Sorry if others taking their time to turn a horrible grey wall into a beautiful mural annoys you so much because it has a message you don't like. I hope everyone waiting for a urine at the bottom of the Pontoon don't see it and immediately become more divided. 'I thought we were all Grimsby fans but this mural promoting unity has made me more suspicious of you because you're not the same colour as me!'

Quoted from Grim74

What a load of excrement why are we so obsessed with equality and diversity FFS and what a joke they have had to go back to the past nearly 20 years just to get a token Asian, I'm sick of having this excrement rammed down our throughts I'm just surprised there is no female on there surely lisa from the ticket office has earned her place😕

You obviously have a chip on your shoulder about something. How anyone can get upset and pick fault with a mural celebrating equality and diversity is absolutely beyond me.

Jesus Christ, if those concepts offend you that much, then just don't look at it? Or maybe go and get commissioned to paint your own mural.

Quoted from WetFlannel

Just to clarify you're saying if we didn't celebrate diversity and ignored social issues then everyone would get on better? If you want a mural showing the people you think are important to the club... make one! Sorry if others taking their time to turn a horrible grey wall into a beautiful mural annoys you so much because it has a message you don't like. I hope everyone waiting for a urine at the bottom of the Pontoon don't see it and immediately become more divided. 'I thought we were all Grimsby fans but this mural promoting unity has made me more suspicious of you because you're not the same colour as me!'

No, that is a travesty of my point and you know it.

Nice training video for any budding graffiti artists:

[youtube]VkvBNhg50Qk[/youtube]

Equality and diversity and all that is fair enough, but there's no excuse for putting that awful Jarvis kit in there ;)

Quoted from Grim74

What a load of excrement why are we so obsessed with equality and diversity FFS and what a joke they have had to go back to the past nearly 20 years just to get a token Asian, I'm sick of having this excrement rammed down our throughts I'm just surprised there is no female on there surely lisa from the ticket office has earned her place😕

that's racist

Quoted from grimsby pete

People in North Korea are very happy, they are always smiling and clapping ;D

I don't think it really counts when you get put in a labour camp until death if you stop doing these things.

Quoted from Chrisblor

that's racist

Here we go ;D the go to weapon of choice from a pathetic PC liberal who has no argument, I'm no racist you keyboard warrior fool but if you want to debate me over even say that to my face I will be down St. Peter's Ave shortly.

Edit: I see you have now altered your post😆

The majority of town fans and player , are British heterosexual. How about a mural celebrating them?

Quoted from sam gy

You obviously have a chip on your shoulder about something. How anyone can get upset and pick fault with a mural celebrating equality and diversity is absolutely beyond me.

Jesus Christ, if those concepts offend you that much, then just don't look at it? Or maybe go and get commissioned to paint your own mural.

No chip it's just a urine poor desperate effort to shout about diversity! Wouldn't it be better if it was a legends Mural? Or if you really want to cry diversity then what about a fans Mural with people past and present related to the club, not pretend ones like Melanie Onn but Super fans like Graham Holness, Bernard Morley, Roly Godfrey, Jonny (you know who I mean) even John Tondour, you could have Andrew De Freitas as much as I dislike him he would tick the old diversity box, the list is endless but at least these people have love for the Town I bet Zhang doesn't give us a second thought these days.

Quoted from realist

The majority of town fans and player , are British heterosexual. How about a mural celebrating them?

McDermott, McKeown, Bogle, Ford and Mighty Mariner are all British and probably heterosexual.

Quoted from Grim74

Here we go ;D the go to weapon of choice from a pathetic PC liberal who has no argument, I'm no racist you keyboard warrior fool but if you want to debate me over even say that to my face I will be down St. Peter's Ave shortly.

Come on Chislober I will get you a coffe once you've apologised.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

I dislike the promotion of multiculturalism and diversity, they are by definition socially and culturally divisive. The more we see diversity promoted the more divided we become. A mural dedicated to GTFC showing the integration of important people connected with the club past and present, regardless of age, race, creed etc. is a good thing. A mural deliberately designed to show diversity, i.e. celebrating racial differences, is a political statement the club should have no part in.

What an awful political statement. Trying to suggest everyone is welcome. Views like yours are in a dying minority.

Quoted from Grim74

No chip it's just a urine poor desperate effort to shout about diversity! Wouldn't it be better if it was a legends Mural? Or if you really want to cry diversity then what about a fans Mural with people past and present related to the club, not pretend ones like Melanie Onn but Super fans like Graham Holness, Bernard Morley, Roly Godfrey, even John Tondour, you could have Andrew De Freitas as much as I dislike him he would tick the old diversity box, the list is endless but at least these people have love for the Town I bet Zhang gives u a second thought these days.

Nice idea, why didn't you suggest this to the club before they started painting it ?

Quoted from Perkins

Nice idea, why didn't you suggest this to the club before they started painting it ?

i didn't know like most people it seems : :-/ here's another super fan I'd have on there BP Vicar!

Anyone who has ever been down freemo and had a drink in the winepipe will see how this should of been done celebrating the community!

Has anyone ever met someone who uses phrases like 'PC liberal' who isn't a genuibe racist btw?

Also the idea that 'heterosexual males' need celebrating misses the point. This mural includes them, it doesn't celebrate gay Grimsby fans, or black Grimsby fans, or Grimsby fans who hail from Odessa. It's about inclusion of everyone, regardless of their skin colour/gender/sexual identity. If you think showing inclusivity to all of the above is a personal attack on you then you're a small minded moron.

Well done, all the lefty worms coming out of the woodwork telling people they can have a view as long as it matches theirs.

Thankfully the views in some of these posts are dying out and the world is a better place for it.

When I saw the mural pop up on social media yesterday and that it included "The beauty of the world lies in the diversity of its people." I knew it wouldn't take long to light the touch paper on here. You can set your watch by The Fishy.

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

When I saw the mural pop up on social media yesterday and that it included "The beauty of the world lies in the diversity of its people." I knew it wouldn't take long to light the touch paper on here. You can set your watch by The Fishy.

We need the fishy to save us from the lefty loons and the rest of them sandal wearing hippies.

Could they fit a screen in the middle of it with this video playing on loop https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpaLKe9vFPk

You know you've lost when you call someone out on a forum.

Quoted from Vance Warner

Thankfully the views in some of these posts are dying out and the world is a better place for it.

Do you mean posts or posters? Posters would be a nice ageist thing to say for someone who is so equality driven and non-discriminatory.

Quoted from WetFlannel

Also the idea that 'heterosexual males' need celebrating misses the point. This mural includes them, it doesn't celebrate gay Grimsby fans, or black Grimsby fans, or Grimsby fans who hail from Odessa. It's about inclusion of everyone, regardless of their skin colour/gender/sexual identity. If you think showing inclusivity to all of the above is a personal attack on you then you're a small minded moron.

You seem to be twisting your knickers round your logic. No-one is saying (as far as I know) that "showing inclusivity to all of the above is a personal attack", that would be idiocy. What I said and what others think too is that the mural is a political statement not a club celebration.

Political statements about "multicultural", "celebrating diversity" and so on actually promote division in society. If you don't understand that then read up on the history of East Lancs and the West Riding in the 1970s for example and follow it through to what happened in Rotherham, Rochdale, Keighley and so on. Check up on the areas of Birmingham and Leeds that give sustenance to terrorists. All of these areas have "celebrated diversity" for years and effectively divided themselves along racial and religious grounds.

This is not the place for political discussion though, or for bad mouthing from a soapbox those who happen to have thought things through a bit more over the years than you appear to have done. The best thing to do with the mural is spray over it and start again from the viewpoint of celebrating our club as it has been a part of our normal society for generations, not some pretence at a rainbow nirvana.

Oh yeah, I'm sure when the club decided to promote itself as an inclusive, modern club what it really meant was that everyone involved with th club is obviously a huge fan of terrorists in towns we have no connections with. The same way if I said I don't think every white British person should be executed I really think I'm proud of Jimmy Savile, imperialism, various massacres committed by British people and black pudding.
How on earth is mural with a basic message of 'let's all get along' controversial. By the way, I used to live in London and never once felt threatened by the existence of any other race.

It's only fair that the knuckle draggers get their way so they can draw white, straight men. What flavour wax crayons do you lot want to use?

Quoted from LH

It's only fair that the knuckle draggers get their way so they can draw white, straight men. What flavour wax crayons do you lot want to use?

/thread. ;D

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

You seem to be twisting your knickers round your logic. No-one is saying (as far as I know) that "showing inclusivity to all of the above is a personal attack", that would be idiocy. What I said and what others think too is that the mural is a political statement not a club celebration.

Political statements about "multicultural", "celebrating diversity" and so on actually promote division in society. If you don't understand that then read up on the history of East Lancs and the West Riding in the 1970s for example and follow it through to what happened in Rotherham, Rochdale, Keighley and so on. Check up on the areas of Birmingham and Leeds that give sustenance to terrorists. All of these areas have "celebrated diversity" for years and effectively divided themselves along racial and religious grounds.

This is not the place for political discussion though, or for bad mouthing from a soapbox those who happen to have thought things through a bit more over the years than you appear to have done. The best thing to do with the mural is spray over it and start again from the viewpoint of celebrating our club as it has been a part of our normal society for generations, not some pretence at a rainbow nirvana.

I live in Elephant and Castle which is about as multi-cultural as it gets and it's ace. You should try it.

Quoted from Grim74

Here we go ;D the go to weapon of choice from a pathetic PC liberal who has no argument, I'm no racist you keyboard warrior fool but if you want to debate me over even say that to my face I will be down St. Peter's Ave shortly.

Edit: I see you have now altered your post😆

I didn't alter it, 'SitePublisher' did because apparently telling someone to intercourse off is worse than having actual racist views on here (calling someone a 'Token Asian' IS racist regardless of what you think). What is it you find so offensive about a mural celebrating diversity? Why shouldn't the one notable Asian player we've had at Town appear on it? 'It should have been actual club legends' isn't a legitimate reason for your outrage, since the purpose of the mural is to honour equality and diversity rather than specific notable past legends.

And i'm not sure why you want to meet me in person to have this discussion unless you intend to physically intimidate me? That's not going to do anything to back up your viewpoint (nor is throwing out meaningless buzzwords like PC liberal either).

Quoted from mariner91

I live in Elephant and Castle which is about as multi-cultural as it gets and it's ace. You should try it.

Best thing I found at Elephant was the A2 out of the area.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Best thing I found at Elephant was the A2 out of the area.

Haha it's rough round the edges I'll give you that but lots of development in the last few years and even more planned. An up and coming area as they say.

If we had to paint a player that played a few games for us 18 years ago just because he's the only Asian that has played for the club then he's undoubtedly a token Asian.

I'd rather see legends Remembered around the ground than people that just happen to be the right colour or race to sour an agenda

Quoted from mariner91

I live in Elephant and Castle which is about as multi-cultural as it gets and it's ace. You should try it.

Been there, done it. It's not multicultural, it's integrated. Largely because there is no single dominant incoming culture. The same used to be true of Tiger Bay, East Ham etc.

The difference is that in the 70s councils in West Yorks etc, set up situations for non-integration. Printing all documents in Urdu for instance. They encouraged the setting up of community councils dominated by religious leaders and more recently allowed the truly divisive expansion of faith schools which were effectively for the "one true faith".

I'm only saying this to show some people on here that there isn't anything simplistic about the issue and that the promotion of diversity is incredibly old fashioned and is proved to fail. I am amazed that,some younger people fall for this three card trick from decades ago and think it actually works and is a good thing. Integration is what matters. Togetherness as one society not trying to amalgamate different societies in the same geography.

Quoted from grimps

If we had to paint a player that played a few games for us 18 years ago just because he's the only Asian that has played for the club then he's undoubtedly a token Asian.

I'd rather see legends Remembered around the ground than people that just happen to be the right colour or race to sour an agenda

As he has been the only one then i would suggest he is a significant Asian player in the history of our club as opposed to a token ?

Depends on your viewpoint i suppose.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Been there, done it. It's not multicultural, it's integrated. Largely because there is no single dominant incoming culture. The same used to be true of Tiger Bay, East Ham etc.

Isn't multicultural and integrated essentially the same thing? In the last three years I've had various flatmates from various different backgrounds including Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Jamaican, French, Nepalese and South African and I'd say that's probably quite a good reflection of the local area as a whole. Surely that is multicultural?

I'd rather have had a mural promoting loyalty and passion .
We've had players of various ethnicities , nationalities and backgrounds play for our club and remain loyal throughout their time here.
You could have had Tony Ford , Big Keith and even Bogle and got the message across without having to tell us how to think.
Our fans respect any player of any colour or persuasion as long as they a talented , give their best and loyal to the club.

I think we need the season to get started!

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

You seem to be twisting your knickers round your logic. No-one is saying (as far as I know) that "showing inclusivity to all of the above is a personal attack", that would be idiocy. What I said and what others think too is that the mural is a political statement not a club celebration.

Political statements about "multicultural", "celebrating diversity" and so on actually promote division in society. If you don't understand that then read up on the history of East Lancs and the West Riding in the 1970s for example and follow it through to what happened in Rotherham, Rochdale, Keighley and so on. Check up on the areas of Birmingham and Leeds that give sustenance to terrorists. All of these areas have "celebrated diversity" for years and effectively divided themselves along racial and religious grounds.

This is not the place for political discussion though, or for bad mouthing from a soapbox those who happen to have thought things through a bit more over the years than you appear to have done. The best thing to do with the mural is spray over it and start again from the viewpoint of celebrating our club as it has been a part of our normal society for generations, not some pretence at a rainbow nirvana.

Errr, that's what you've just done?

One question. Who commissioned the mural in the first instance? If it wasn't the club - and I really don't know the answer - but someone who wanted to do something for the club but with the club's backing they could probably have got funding from a number of organisations because it does celebrate diversity. But why do we have this argument anyway about a great piece of athat celebrates GTFC and it's diversity? We can't airbrsh the likes of Tony Ford out of our history, not would we want to.

Note, celebrating diversity doesn't mean being divisive. It's what the S*n, Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph would like you to believe, but it's far from the truth. I don't disagree about faith schools by the way, or a personal level I find the thought of religion determining what children can learn to be repulsive.If you really want to see how divisive such schools can be don't look at inner city Leeds or Birmingham for the comparison but the likes of Glasgow where they breed bigotry on a scale you can't imagine.

Like another poster as soon as I saw it on FB last night I realsied the usual suspects would be in with a vengance. Such a sad, sorry reflection on our scoiety.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Been there, done it. It's not multicultural, it's integrated. Largely because there is no single dominant incoming culture. The same used to be true of Tiger Bay, East Ham etc.

The difference is that in the 70s councils in West Yorks etc, set up situations for non-integration. Printing all documents in Urdu for instance. They encouraged the setting up of community councils dominated by religious leaders and more recently allowed the truly divisive expansion of faith schools which were effectively for the "one true faith".

I'm only saying this to show some people on here that there isn't anything simplistic about the issue and that the promotion of diversity is incredibly old fashioned and is proved to fail. I am amazed that,some younger people fall for this three card trick from decades ago and think it actually works and is a good thing. Integration is what matters. Togetherness as one society not trying to amalgamate different societies in the same geography.

How very magnanimous of you. :)

Quoted from mariner91

Isn't multicultural and integrated essentially the same thing? In the last three years I've had various flatmates from various different backgrounds including Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Jamaican, French, Nepalese and South African and I'd say that's probably quite a good reflection of the local area as a whole. Surely that is multicultural?

I agree, they should be the same thing. But they aren't.

The reason is that "multicultural" was hijacked by politicians local and national and pet council and quango members in the 1970s and they made it synonymous with "diversity". It was in effect a positive discrimination and to do that they had to identify and actively promote the largely single source incomer community as a separate entity. They also hijacked all terminology connected with the issue of immigrant integration so that any form of dissent was labelled as racist. There was a headmaster called Ray Honeyford in Bradford who was as far from a racist as you could get but lost his job for suggesting the influx of non-english speakers had failed to even try to assimilate into the existing community and was crippling the education system. They were able to continue with this exorcism of opposition because they encouraged new immigrants to settle in the same areas while the old community died off or moved out. So places like Bradford and Dewsbury where I lived in the early 70s soon had their own little knot of immigrant only based Labour councillors.

There is a certain irony to this discussion in as far as younger people who are attracted to the Corbyn ideal as the antidote to the sins of Baby Boomers are so naive as to accept Abbott's very hippy based ideas that led directly to those misguided policies of the 70s and left us with the divisiveness we have today.

Perhaps we should draw a veil over this argument now, or at least move it to non-football Rob.

Quoted from mariner91

Haha it's rough round the edges I'll give you that but lots of development in the last few years and even more planned. An up and coming area as they say.

HIPSTERS AND FOREIGN INVESTORS INCOMING!!!

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

Nice training video for any budding graffiti artists:

[youtube]VkvBNhg50Qk[/youtube]

I'm sure that's Banksy in the green hood. ;)

Quoted from Grim74

No chip it's just a urine poor desperate effort to shout about diversity! Wouldn't it be better if it was a legends Mural? Or if you really want to cry diversity then what about a fans Mural with people past and present related to the club, not pretend ones like Melanie Onn but Super fans like Graham Holness, Bernard Morley, Roly Godfrey, Jonny (you know who I mean) even John Tondour, you could have Andrew De Freitas as much as I dislike him he would tick the old diversity box, the list is endless but at least these people have love for the Town I bet Zhang doesn't give us a second thought these days.

Jonnyboy82 ? ;)

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Do you mean posts or posters? Posters would be a nice ageist thing to say for someone who is so equality driven and non-discriminatory.

I meant posts that's why I said posts. Thanks for realising I am equality driven and non-discriminatory.

This thread is incredible. I honestly didn't think anyone would find anything negative in something as awesome as that mural.

It's prompted people to talk about tokenism, racism and division when the whole purpose of it was to show that we all have something in common - regardless of where we come from and what we look like.

It's nothing deeper than that.

There's always some snidey mural at the back, behind it's mates giving it large and trying to stir up trouble.

The mural is a fine effort and I'm sure there will be further additions of a legends type.
As for all the shite on here about not wanting to promote diversity, as Nuttall has shown, those ideas are a busted flush, the sooner we all learn to love and celebrate what makes us all different, the sooner we can move forward.
Peace out

My original post had nothing to do with diversity . Love . Caring etc etc . It was my honest opinion that I didn't understand why a picture of a player from the days that ultimately led to our demise and almost extinsion .....

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

I dislike the promotion of multiculturalism and diversity, they are by definition socially and culturally divisive. The more we see diversity promoted the more divided we become. A mural dedicated to GTFC showing the integration of important people connected with the club past and present, regardless of age, race, creed etc. is a good thing. A mural deliberately designed to show diversity, i.e. celebrating racial differences, is a political statement the club should have no part in.

I have just read this thread and absolutely agree with Ron. Tokenism again just for the sake of it. I am absolutely sick to death of it. A mural should have been devoted to the generations of trawlermen and other fantastic fans that supported the club over many generations, and great players who wore the striped shirt with distinction and club officials who made the biggest impact. And that's it.

How come since we started pushing "diversity is a good thing" down peoples throats we have become more divided?

And we wonder why Grimsby is a town going nowhere, some of the comments on here are beyond parody

Quoted from codcheeky

And we wonder why Grimsby is a town going nowhere, some of the comments on here are beyond parody

Including yours, sadly. Diversity doesn't seem to extend to having a different view on a forum, does it?

Quoted from codcheeky

And we wonder why Grimsby is a town going nowhere, some of the comments on here are beyond parody

if only they were beyond parody ......we could have avoided that Sacha Baron Cohen film Grimsby !!

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I have just read this thread and absolutely agree with Ron. Tokenism again just for the sake of it. I am absolutely sick to death of it. A mural should have been devoted to the generations of trawlermen and other fantastic fans that supported the club over many generations, and great players who wore the striped shirt with distinction and club officials who made the biggest impact. And that's it.

How come since we started pushing "diversity is a good thing" down peoples throats we have become more divided?

It's quite simple. We have a mural on the wall behind the Pontoon. The theme of this mural is diversity. It's not a 'legends' wall.

So, as you'd expect of a mural that celebrates diversity, it features the diverse range of people who have represented the Mariners.

Honestly, that's it.

If it was meant to be a legends wall, and it had Zhang Enhua on it, then you'd have a point.

But it's not a legends wall. It's not replacing a legends wall or trying to be a legends wall.

If you want a legends wall, or a wall to depict the trawlermen and fans, then I'm sure there's space for it somewhere in Blundell Park and the club would be delighted for you to get in touch and maybe help it happen. No one's telling you not to.

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

Nice training video for any budding graffiti artists:

[youtube]VkvBNhg50Qk[/youtube]

started watching but had to look away when they started misusing the step ladders :o Danger never sleeps

Quoted from RichMariner

It's quite simple. We have a mural on the wall behind the Pontoon. The theme of this mural is diversity. It's not a 'legends' wall.

So, as you'd expect of a mural that celebrates diversity, it features the diverse range of people who have represented the Mariners.

Honestly, that's it.

If it was meant to be a legends wall, and it had Zhang Enhua on it, then you'd have a point.

But it's not a legends wall. It's not replacing a legends wall or trying to be a legends wall.

If you want a legends wall, or a wall to depict the trawlermen and fans, then I'm sure there's space for it somewhere in Blundell Park and the club would be delighted for you to get in touch and maybe help it happen. No one's telling you not to.

But why are we having a mural with diversity as its main theme? Why is that? Many people have contributed to the club over time, but what has diversity got to do with the history of the club? Have you ever heard anyone mention diversity in relation to GTFC prior to the mural? It is there because it is the politically correct thing to do, and I don't do political correctness.

We should just clone thousands of whatever it is that the Fishy views as the 'Grimsby ideal' and never vary from that ever again.

Who knows how long we'd have been in the Conference without the multicultural team of Amond, Bogle, Arnold, Disley, Robertson etc.

Quoted from RichMariner

It's quite simple. We have a mural on the wall behind the Pontoon. The theme of this mural is diversity. It's not a 'legends' wall.

So, as you'd expect of a mural that celebrates diversity, it features the diverse range of people who have represented the Mariners.

Honestly, that's it.

If it was meant to be a legends wall, and it had Zhang Enhua on it, then you'd have a point.

But it's not a legends wall. It's not replacing a legends wall or trying to be a legends wall.

If you want a legends wall, or a wall to depict the trawlermen and fans, then I'm sure there's space for it somewhere in Blundell Park and the club would be delighted for you to get in touch and maybe help it happen. No one's telling you not to.

It may become a little clear for all once the Common Ground project is officially launched at the Mariners Trust open day but essentially this is it. It couldn't be anything else because the pot of money it came from was very specific in what would be done with it. Its not a stand alone thing but part of a larger project that GTSET and The Equality Practice are doing.

It's not about showing people's differences its about showing those on the outside that might want to come in that when you get your shirt on there is no difference. #OneLoveOneClub and all that.

As the wall has been so fantastically received shoots sprout on other things but money has to be in place for them and rightly or wrongly its not on the clubs lists of priorities.

Quoted from LH

We should just clone thousands of whatever it is that the Fishy views as the 'Grimsby ideal' and never vary from that ever again.

Who knows how long we'd have been in the Conference without the multicultural team of Amond, Bogle, Arnold, Disley, Robertson etc.

They were Grimsby Town footballers. Thats it. No other labels necessary. We might have a team of 11 Englishmen, we might have 11 different nationalities but I never give it a moments thought. Who does?

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Been there, done it. It's not multicultural, it's integrated. Largely because there is no single dominant incoming culture. The same used to be true of Tiger Bay, East Ham etc.

The difference is that in the 70s councils in West Yorks etc, set up situations for non-integration. Printing all documents in Urdu for instance. They encouraged the setting up of community councils dominated by religious leaders and more recently allowed the truly divisive expansion of faith schools which were effectively for the "one true faith".

I'm only saying this to show some people on here that there isn't anything simplistic about the issue and that the promotion of diversity is incredibly old fashioned and is proved to fail. I am amazed that,some younger people fall for this three card trick from decades ago and think it actually works and is a good thing. Integration is what matters. Togetherness as one society not trying to amalgamate different societies in the same geography.

I completely agree. It seems round where I live if you're not a committed Anglican or Catholic your kids can't get in half the schools.

Apart from that RRFC, you've completely got it wrong. 'Diversity' isn't about promoting isolation of different types of people but bringing them together. What you've been describing (in other posts) is the provision of support by local authorities to immigrant communities. That might have led to slower integration but it was't the aim. In many cases it was a result of the natural tendency of people to seek out others like themselves in a strange land. And the equally other natural tendency of the poorest people to end up in housing that others found substandard.

As for 'diversity' encouraging communities to support terrorism, I've heard some bunkum in my time. Most of the Jihadist loonies who have committed terrorist acts in this country have had westernised upbringings and have been to our universities having been through our school system. They were all fluent and native standard English speakers, not folk who struggled speaking anything but Urdu or Bengali. And that's before we get on to converts who came from distinctly non-Asian backgrounds. Mostly people with criminal histories. Murderous nutters like Levi Bellfield who have recently converted, and he grew up in what was then a white British working class neighbourhood.