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Posted by: promotion plaice, January 11, 2017, 12:51am

Notts County are in even more turmoil before our home game against them on the 21st January.

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An outstanding loan of £1.5m is the major snag in Alan Hardy's takeover bid for Notts County.

The Nottingham businessman was expected to formally complete his buyout of current Magpies owner Ray Trew on Monday and be unveiled as the Magpies' new owner on Tuesday.

Having reached an agreement to buy the club lock, stock and barrel from Trew before Christmas and then exchanging contracts on the deal on New Year's Eve, its completion looked to be a formality.

Hardy even took the decision to sack John Sheridan and put Alan Smith in caretaker charge of Notts – and has also interviewed potential new managers.

He also set lower ticket prices for Saturday's League Two derby clash with Mansfield Town.



Posted by: Grimsby2012, January 11, 2017, 7:50am; Reply: 1
Good riddance
Posted by: Civvy at last, January 11, 2017, 8:22am; Reply: 2
As with any club. There will loyal supporters (just like ours) that are suffering with this.
One minute they have new backers, ex England manager, etc etc.  Next, they are in deep sh1t.
They are the ones I feel sorry for.  As a club, it has been run appallingly, so no sympathy for the fat cats.
But I do sympathise with the genuine fans.
Posted by: HertsGTFC, January 11, 2017, 8:34am; Reply: 3
"The project" ultimately ended badly then, when I was a kid they where always a solid Div2 (championship) side even when living in the shadow of Cloughie's Forest. Shame for the fans really as loyal fan don't deserve that lack of stability.  

However football being football they are probably now due an "unlikely win" hopefully not at BP in a couple of weeks time.  
Posted by: ginnywings, January 11, 2017, 10:22am; Reply: 4
Lets not forget that they are the oldest football club in the professional game. It's sad for the true fans that an old institution like this can be in such a state, while some clubs are awash with money. Surely there is enough money in the game to help out clubs in this state. As ever in today's world, it's sink or swim.
Posted by: diehardmariner, January 11, 2017, 10:29am; Reply: 5
Quoted from ginnywings
Lets not forget that they are the oldest football club in the professional game. It's sad for the true fans that an old institution like this can be in such a state, while some clubs are awash with money. Surely there is enough money in the game to help out clubs in this state. As ever in today's world, it's sink or swim.


Don't disagree with that, but how many times do we have to see the same teams going through this situation of financial difficulty, rescue package, sudden influx of money and new signings and repeat?

Not only is it a form of cheating but each time these clubs enter administration they cut deals to pay so much in the pound to their creditors.  It's just wrong.

I do feel for the genuine fans who 99.99% are probably mortified at what their club has become and how they cheat the system.  I do feel that money isn't filtering down to the clubs beyond the Premier League and those in the parachute payment cycle, but is the problem that money isn't filtering down or that clubs/owners aren't responsible enough with their finances?  If more money filtered down from the Premier League would clubs like Notts County all of a sudden become financially responsible or would they just increase their levels of debt accordingly?
Posted by: dapperz fun pub, January 11, 2017, 10:32am; Reply: 6
I've always sort of liked county the history the black and white stripes .. then came lee Hughes , now I sort of don't give a fook about them
Posted by: 1mickylyons, January 11, 2017, 10:33am; Reply: 7
I read an article on Morecambe saying about their dubious owners and fans from numerous other Clubs commented stating they also had problems with owners mostly from overseas.Just how where they allowed to pass this fit and proper owners test it really feels like these are dark days for football especially lower down.Whilst JF might not be perfect he is certainly better than many many others football is a timebomb and it`s going to go up in flames very soon in my opinion.
Posted by: HertsGTFC, January 11, 2017, 10:35am; Reply: 8
Quoted from diehardmariner


Don't disagree with that, but how many times do we have to see the same teams going through this situation of financial difficulty, rescue package, sudden influx of money and new signings and repeat?

Not only is it a form of cheating but each time these clubs enter administration they cut deals to pay so much in the pound to their creditors.  It's just wrong.

I do feel for the genuine fans who 99.99% are probably mortified at what their club has become and how they cheat the system.  I do feel that money isn't filtering down to the clubs beyond the Premier League and those in the parachute payment cycle, but is the problem that money isn't filtering down or that clubs/owners aren't responsible enough with their finances?  If more money filtered down from the Premier League would clubs like Notts County all of a sudden become financially responsible or would they just increase their levels of debt accordingly?


Not sure how this would work but if every clubs board had a non exec from a fans trust on it then surely that would be a small start. However as there is so much money involved clubs are easy targets for irresponsible wealthy autocrat owners who just see the club as a business opportunity or play thing. I thought the authorities operated a due diligence scheme after all?    

Posted by: ginnywings, January 11, 2017, 11:17am; Reply: 9
The league should be far more stringent than they are at present with who is allowed to own a club and there could and should be some sort of financial and strategic team set up to help clubs in this sort of state. More should be done financially and with management planning to help, instead of this situation where clubs are constantly scrambling to make ends meet.

In football, as in society in general, there is enough money to go round, but those at the top make the rules allowing them to keep most of it to the detriment of others.
Posted by: psgmariner, January 11, 2017, 11:18am; Reply: 10
Hardy saying he will give definitive news on whether the takeover is going through by noon today. The alternative would appear to be administration. I think Notts County get a free HMRC  t- shirt if they go in to admin again.
Posted by: ginnywings, January 11, 2017, 11:28am; Reply: 11
Quoted from psgmariner
Hardy saying he will give definitive news on whether the takeover is going through by noon today. The alternative would appear to be administration. I think Notts County get a free HMRC  t- shirt if they go in to admin again.


I think they qualify for a frequent user discount by now.
Posted by: Chris Packit, January 11, 2017, 11:39am; Reply: 12
The current dispute involves an
English owner and an English would-be owner arguing over a debt owed to the estate of a deceased benefactor who was a local man. It has been an issue since the Munto Finance days. The Haydn Green Trust does a lot of good work around Nottingham and only County have abused their generosity.
Posted by: Cloudy, January 11, 2017, 11:39am; Reply: 13
Quoted from ginnywings
The league should be far more stringent than they are at present with who is allowed to own a club and there could and should be some sort of financial and strategic team set up to help clubs in this sort of state. More should be done financially and with management planning to help, instead of this situation where clubs are constantly scrambling to make ends meet.

In football, as in society in general, there is enough money to go round, but those at the top make the rules allowing them to keep most of it to the detriment of others.


i agree but the major reason why clubs are 'scrambling around trying to make ends meet' is because they overspend in chasing the dream. Trying to keep up with the joneses is the biggest issue. One sugar daddy makes the playing field very uneven and lots more try to keep up.

Sad state of affairs
Posted by: Southwark Mariner, January 11, 2017, 11:40am; Reply: 14
I have an HM Customs and Excise mouse mat. True Story.
Posted by: ginnywings, January 11, 2017, 11:54am; Reply: 15
Quoted from Cloudy


i agree but the major reason why clubs are 'scrambling around trying to make ends meet' is because they overspend in chasing the dream. Trying to keep up with the joneses is the biggest issue. One sugar daddy makes the playing field very uneven and lots more try to keep up.

Sad state of affairs


Yeah, you're right, because for all the powers that be hot air about fit and proper ownership and clubs only being allowed to spend what they bring in, they don't enforce those rules stringently enough. They need to do more to remove the dog eat dog element prevalent in the game.
Posted by: barralad, January 11, 2017, 12:00pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from Civvy at last
As with any club. There will loyal supporters (just like ours) that are suffering with this.
One minute they have new backers, ex England manager, etc etc.  Next, they are in deep sh1t.
They are the ones I feel sorry for.  As a club, it has been run appallingly, so no sympathy for the fat cats.
But I do sympathise with the genuine fans.


I have friends who are County S/T holders and others who work for them who really fear this is the beginning of the end for them. A lot of genuine County fans weren't happy when all the shenanigans with Ericson etc. were going on believing it would end in tears. I've always had a soft spot for County. It would've been easy for their fans to have jumped on the Forest bandwagon in the 80s/90s but they inspire the same kind of loyalty Town do.
Posted by: psgmariner, January 11, 2017, 12:32pm; Reply: 17
Deal done.

https://twitter.com/Bigalanh5/status/819159542332325888
Posted by: ginnywings, January 11, 2017, 12:46pm; Reply: 18
Deal done, good for the club. 'Til the next time. :-/
Posted by: gtfc98, January 11, 2017, 12:53pm; Reply: 19
Can't say I've ever taking much of a liking to Notts County as a club and their fan base. They always seem to think they have some sort of sense of superiority and entitlement because they're the oldest club in the football league. They've behaved pretty disgracefully as a club for a while now, they deserve their stint in non league like we did!
Posted by: ginnywings, January 11, 2017, 1:07pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from gtfc98
Can't say I've ever taking much of a liking to Notts County as a club and their fan base. They always seem to think they have some sort of sense of superiority and entitlement because they're the oldest club in the football league. They've behaved pretty disgracefully as a club for a while now, they deserve their stint in non league like we did!


Think you are probably right. I don't want to see them go to the wall, but a stint in non league may make them focus a bit more, just as it has done to us.
Posted by: Marinerz93, January 11, 2017, 8:13pm; Reply: 21
I remember when we dropped into the abyss, a few comments from their fans laughing at our demise. Then there was the Lee Hughes goal celebration of him making a driving wheel gesture and laughing, he received no warnings or fines from County, no shame some clubs. County are a club that deserve non league because of that and the way their finances have been managed.

County are the first professional club, not the oldest, there are some clubs that are older such as Worksop Town FC, 1861.
Posted by: promotion plaice, January 11, 2017, 8:22pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Marinerz93
I remember when we dropped into the abyss, a few comments from their fans laughing at our demise. Then there was the Lee Hughes goal celebration of him making a driving wheel gesture and laughing, he received warnings or fines from County, no shame some clubs. County are a club that deserve non league because of that and the way their finances have been managed.

County are the first professional club, not the oldest, there are some clubs that are older such as Worksop Town FC, 1861.

                                  

Even Sheffield F.C,   1857            
            
Posted by: ginnywings, January 11, 2017, 8:22pm; Reply: 23
Sheffield FC are the oldest club but i think Notts County are the oldest football league club.
Posted by: Marinerz93, January 11, 2017, 8:23pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from ginnywings
Sheffield FC are the oldest club but i think Notts County are the oldest football league club.


For now  ;)
Posted by: ginnywings, January 11, 2017, 8:26pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from Marinerz93


For now  ;)


True enough.
Posted by: HackneyHaddock, January 11, 2017, 8:38pm; Reply: 26
Little disappointing they seem to have survived administration.  A points deduction would have helped anchor them at the bottom and probably condemned them to non-league.  Any club that signs an unrepentant Lee Hughes and revels in our relegation has no sympathy from me.
Posted by: HertsGTFC, January 11, 2017, 9:12pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from barralad


I have friends who are County S/T holders and others who work for them who really fear this is the beginning of the end for them. A lot of genuine County fans weren't happy when all the shenanigans with Ericson etc. were going on believing it would end in tears. I've always had a soft spot for County. It would've been easy for their fans to have jumped on the Forest bandwagon in the 80s/90s but they inspire the same kind of loyalty Town do.


Seem to remember one Gary Lund doing really well on telly in a Notts County shirt in a cup tie in the late 80s. This has been on the cards now for a while I think, the game in general needs better checks and balances to ensure that this does not happen.. There are corporate governance  in the business world and it appears no rules in the football world................very sad for their fans as this feels like another administration, points deduction and non league relegation............... frustratingly it might keep fuckin Cheltenham up!

Posted by: KingstonMariner, January 11, 2017, 9:56pm; Reply: 28
I'm not at all sad for their fans if they go down the pan financially. They (or at least their Trust members) voted to flog/give the club to the consortium that brought Sven in and got them into a financial mess last time.

The FANS owned the club, chose to give it away to some consortium they knew naff all about. I know the current (or is it previous now?) owners are not the same people as the consortium, but the fans unleashed this themselves (having taken over the club in a rescue from an earlier debacle.
Posted by: HertsGTFC, January 11, 2017, 9:58pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from KingstonMariner
I'm not at all sad for their fans if they go down the pan financially. They (or at least their Trust members) voted to flog/give the club to the consortium that brought Sven in and got them into a financial mess last time.

The FANS owned the club, chose to give it away to some consortium they knew naff all about. I know the current (or is it previous now?) owners are not the same people as the consortium, but the fans unleashed this themselves (having taken over the club in a rescue from an earlier debacle.


I am not sure every fan chose the option you describe above.
Posted by: KingstonMariner, January 11, 2017, 10:07pm; Reply: 30
No but it was within their grasp. I don't recall there being wails of opposition from many of them. Couldn't wait to get their hands on the filthy lucre (or at least see it spent on players they couldn't afford before).......which didn't materialise in the quantities they hoped for.
Posted by: HertsGTFC, January 11, 2017, 10:13pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from KingstonMariner
No but it was within their grasp. I don't recall there being wails of opposition from many of them. Couldn't wait to get their hands on the filthy lucre (or at least see it spent on players they couldn't afford before).......which didn't materialise in the quantities they hoped for.


Did you read Barra's post earlier in this thread?
Posted by: KingstonMariner, January 11, 2017, 10:28pm; Reply: 32
I did. There wasn't much noise about them being unhappy at the time. No protests.

Same with Pompey when they were spending millions they didn't have.
Posted by: Meza, January 11, 2017, 11:10pm; Reply: 33
Its the fans i feel for regardless whether the club is liked or not.  Look at Morecambe their owner is nowhere to be seen but what can they do......i guess it doesn't help when 2 board members clear off.  Is this were the FA need to step in and allow the club to change owners at no cost?

Is a sorry state.  From a GTFC perspective isn't it refreshing to see the club focus on development with a backroom team PH would have wanted (as in the number of staff).  MB obviously sees youngish talent with the need to develop into the first team or sell on.
Posted by: HertsGTFC, January 12, 2017, 5:38pm; Reply: 34
Appoint Kevin Nolan as manager?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38596314

I guess that is what's called a "keen to get back in" appointment? or desperate?
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