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Beckham
Coz he would be able to do what successive England managers have failed to do and get them to almost die for the cause
He would have been therir hero when they where young and he would motivate them incredibly
Sure he would lack tactical knowledge initially but there will be a hoard of assistants with that knowledge who would gladly serve with him
Shearer / Scholes / Pearce etc etc
Put him in now coz he will have almost two years to sort it
We lack the fire in the belly to progress anymore or with anyone else than him
Who would you respect and want to play for as your boss if you where a 20-25 year old England player
Your hero Beckham or Gareth Bloody Southgate

Can we persuade Eddie Jones to change sports?

Howe in the future but I'd go with Pardew

Yeah forgot about Pardew.

So Howe, Pardew or Southgate for me.

Quoted from NSGY

Only 1 Steve Mclaren

Luckily.

Hursty, at least he can build a team with fight to come back from being written off in the first leg of the playoffs and get promoted.

It's not "fire in the belly" they need though, it's mental toughness.
Ah sod it. Never mind me I'm still getting over Italian 90

Following on from that I'm not really bothered about England. We are in the football league and that's far more important.

England need to be very careful now. Very careful.
The national side has the risk of losing touch with the general public completely - some people would argue they already have. We need a young, fresh, passionate manager that is relatable and not an FA yes man that is coming to the back end of his career.
Howe would be #1 for me, offer him a big long contract and just stick with him regardless of anything. Failing that, Southgate would be up there, although i worry the fact he's held a position within the FA for such a long period of time may have just made him another piece of the furniture.
It'll be Padrew though, same old crap

Glenn hoddle and David Beckham partnership

Fundamentally, it doesn't matter.  It doesn't matter because some of the top managers in world football (Sven, Capello) haven't managed to get anything out of English players for the simple reason they're not good enough.

English players exist inside a comfort zone that means they're never tested in challenging environments and never challenge themselves in anything other than the English league, where they can be made to look good by world-class foreign imports.  They grow up lacking in basic skills and are poorly coached.  Many of them are emotionally and intellectually defective and so are unable to process and implement basic instructions and systems, in contrast to intelligent foreign players who can often speak multiple languages and adapt to changing situations.

So with that said, we might as well advertise the role at £250,000 a year, and see who applies.  The number and identities of the applicants will tell you all you need to know about English football.

To be honest it doesnt matter - we have a system designed for us to fail. No winter break, accademies that fail to produce top draw players, too many foreign players, the list is endless.

Id go Lampard just because he is incredibly bright.

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Mike Bassett?

You could be on to something there ;D

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Really. Did anyone actually see that game tonight. Imo we have decent players that have great potential but playing for a management that

A) didnt know its best 11

B) didn't know its best formation

C) making too many changes therefore damaging player confidence and momentum

D) picking players that were not match sharp and not played all season , Henderson, Sturridge and Wiltshire but get ahead of those that are fit.

E) on form.players not even getting a nod such as Drinkwater, Noble

No one has mentioned John Sitton

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I don't know where the idea that we've got a load of incredibly talented players comes from.

Talented players perform well when the chips are down. Ours fall to pieces.

The goalkeeper is always liable to chuck one in, none of the defenders looked competent tonight, less said about the non-existent midfield the better and the forwards couldn't pass, shoot, run, or head. We had about 2 men in the box when Rashford went on a couple of decent runs at the death which is just ridiculous. If you didn't know the score, you'd guess we were winning and trying to hold on to a lead by not bothering to press forward.

As for potential managers, I've not seen anything in Southgate that indicates he's anything more than competent at best. Gary Neville has been mentioned - a jest, surely?

No really proven English managers so where do we go? Not a clue. The job really is a poisoned chalice these days. A great way to ruin your reputation.

Why don't we scrap the England manager position, and simply pick the captain of the team - and then leave it to him to choose the guys he wants around him? As soon as we lose an international we select another captain.

Can't trust the clowns at the FA to decide the captaincy, though, it'll have to be done by knowledgeable football folk - so I would have thought a referendum of Fishy posters would be the ideal solution.

(Probably too controversial?)

Anyway, not to worry, I think Steve Evans is still available.... :B

Wow Shearer was well peeved off on the BBC, you could see he was struggling to hold in the expletives ..He really wants the job, said he went to see FA earlier but they said he had no experience.

Him and Beckham would make them run through walls
No success with fa bore Southgate

He cant do any worse.

Ian Wright was another that looked like he was going to cry.

Weve got to go for one of those players from the golden generation, you know the ones that won...er...hang on..Oh Bbugger :B

Problem is that its ok for The
Shearers and the
Southgates and the Wrights to critisise but we said the same things when their Class Of 19-- failed too!
flipping complete arsewipe of a weekend - Total Brexit is complete.

At least the Rugby Team smashed the Aussies - who BTW are now world football experts and laughing at England - all the commentators over here relish in any English failure so much so it makes me want to give my hard earned citizenship back - they do it with this contented mocking laugh that you just want to slap really flipping hard! illegitimates.

Oh well there's always Russia in 2018 if we ever get there - Reckon San Marino will be next on our list of gimme results!

Yours
copulated off of Brisbane!

Warnock or Dave Basset

Doesn't matter, they will flop whoever picks the team.

Doesn't really matter, the players are priced out of the foreign leagues so we never have that all encompassing experience that the other countries generally have. Having said that neither do we have any English managers with the tactical nouse and passion displayed by some of those on show in the tournament or the Premier League. Far too insular!

The funny thing there is that you say the players are priced out of playing overseas - in other words, they can get paid a lot more as a sub at a mid-table Premier League club than they could at a top Spanish or Italian team!

I don't doubt plenty would benefit greatly from playing overseas, but it's a big step to move abroad and much too easy just to keep coining it in over here.

Shearer FFS! If he wants it that much then he should go and be a manager for a bit, try to get avoiding relegation on his CV and then reapply.

I don't think it was a lack of passion last night as much as a total lack of mental strength. Looked like they totally froze to me.

It doesn't matter who we have managing the team. Until we start producing players that can retain possession and have a good level of technical ability, we will continue to go around in circles. We are so far behind other countries , look at how some of the 'smaller' countries maintain possession and always want the ball, you have players who will take a 5 yard pass to feet with 2 opposition players on their back and still manage to make a successful pass to a team mate. We gain possession and our first thought is long ball over the top.

We cant produce players like Toni Kroos, Ozil , Payet , Pogba. Why ?

People say the premier league is the best league in the world , apparently , yet if you took the class and guile of the foreign players away , all we would be left with is a very average league with very average players.

I think we should reward the F.A., Woy, and all the England players for what they have done for this country before we even think about a new manager , What about a cruise to the Mariana Trench and then pull the plug. We could put this into any future managers contract.

The Iceland team were set up better. They knew our width came from the full backs and pushed up on them to stop them having the space they had in the group games. This wasn't helped by Sturridge coming deep all the time. I'm not sure what Wilshere coming on for Dier was meant to achieve, I can only assume Dier had a knock

Bedders, I don't think you realised the thinking behind Wiltshire for Dier. We were 2-1 down Iceland were not going to commit , so why do we need a holding midfielder as Dier was playing. Wiltshire gave us more of a progressive option from midfield, didn't do any good but the correct thinking

Look up the England line up v Germany when the England team and subs that came on played so well. All Roy had to do is choose a right back and find a replacement to do Welbeck's job. There was the winning formula. We played with pace and power that Germany couldn't live with. That's all he had to do. But no, he had to accommodate Rooney. His insistence of playing him changed the whole way the team played. It was like a sub-conscious cloud hanging over the whole team. It affected how every player played, whether it was the slowed down pace or having to play in a slightly different position to get Wayne into the team.

I know other players haven't covered themselves in glory, but the blame lies solely with the manager. It's not Rooney's fault for wanting to play as many games for England as he can, but he just hasn't got it anymore and hasn't for a good two or three seasons. I really hoped I was wrong about Hodgson and Rooney but sadly I wasn't. We've got to stop looking at individual players and look at the team as the sum of the parts. Go and look at the England line up that did so well in Germany. We all remember that we played really well and were all excited about it.

I don't buy the tired argument. I think the team lacked belief. Belief in what they were doing and belief in the manager which turned into sheer panic.

We pay world class manager money, yet we don't get world class managers. Time to get a truly world class manager with a bit of charisma that England players seem to respond to, like Venables or Robson..

The biggest worry last night was the way in which the players were standing around like statues when one of their teammates were in possession. Absolutely no options to pass to which made it more difficult for the midfielders. One of the reasons why we gave the ball away in the middle so often, though bloody rubbish quality of passing was certainly another.

Pass and move - it surely can't be that bloody hard to a top tier player?

Or is it the English players try to play in a continental way ? Which they haven't the ability , they may believe they have due to the amount of continental players in the premiership. I thought Iceland were like a good old fashioned English league side . Back to the drawing board again , and again and again .

Too many of the English squad are in the comfort zone , multi millionaires bring told by the media how brilliant they are , when in fact they're pretty ordinary. I believe we would get a better squad picked from the championship .

If anyone seriously thinks a new manager will magically transform our fortunes, can I have some of what they're on please?

Yes we can argue until the end of time about how badly Hodgson got his tactics and selections, the decision to keep Kane on was absolutely baffling especially when he took his all-time top goalscorer off and kept Rashford on the bench until five minutes from the end...still whilst Kane stayed on.

But I'm not sure what any manager can do when the players let themselves down so badly like that.  These are supposed elite players and I didn't see a single one of them take the bull by the horns and lead out there.

The faux emotion at the end from the players wound me up far more than the performance or the result.  The blame lies with them, absolutely no excuses they weren't interested for too long in that game.  95% of them are arrogant fornicators who believe their own hype and see pulling an England shirt on as a chore.

Yesterday I berated the social situations that have left us in a position where we can't produce decent players, you can produce the best players in the world but if they rock up with an attitude like that it makes no difference.  Iceland embarrassed us in every single way.  They wanted it and they got what they deserved.  In all honesty it could have been 3-1, 4-1 maybe even 5-1.

I have absolutely no doubt that the useless shower of shits will be on fire for their club sides come August, I truly hope they get booed every time they touch the ball.  They deserve no fandom or worship from anyone, each and everyone of them should issue a public statement apologising for their lack of passion (actual passion, not belting out the national anthem, jumping up and down like an idiot or acting beyond comfort at the end of the game) and then retire from international football.

The England national side have never been more out of touch with Joe Public.  I don't want these players representing my nation anymore, they're not worthy of that accolade.

Don't care who the next manager is, the next world cup I hope we don't even qualify for as it's in Russia and they a bent bunch of druggies who should be banned from all international sport. I don't want to even think about international football for six months! I certainly won't waste a second of my life watching any more of this tournament even though I have several hundred quid's worth of bets on it.

Hiddink, Scolari or Lippi. All in their late 60s but we may as well go for one of them in the short term with there being no English managers remotely up to it

Quoted from NSGY

Only 1 Steve Mclaren

This is FAF 😂😂😂😂

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ7rXwLBapg

Laurent Blanc anyone?

See Hoddles odds have shortened.

Would be good with these young players I think.

Someone with PASHUN. For me, Redknapp, Clive.

Quoted from sydney

Beckham
Coz he would be able to do what successive England managers have failed to do and get them to almost die for the cause
He would have been therir hero when they where young and he would motivate them incredibly
Sure he would lack tactical knowledge initially but there will be a hoard of assistants with that knowledge who would gladly serve with him
Shearer / Scholes / Pearce etc etc
Put him in now coz he will have almost two years to sort it
We lack the fire in the belly to progress anymore or with anyone else than him
Who would you respect and want to play for as your boss if you where a 20-25 year old England player
Your hero Beckham or Gareth Bloody Southgate

Did Beckham die for the cause when he wimped out of that tackle against Brazil in 2002? What about when he tried to spray Hollywood passes to Row-Z rather than playing a simpler pass to someone in space? What about when he insisted in taking penalties to improve his brand at the expense of the team?

If Beckham is a 'hero', I'd better go home, snuggle up under my Kevin Jobling duvet and rock myself to sleep!

Quoted from TAGG

See Hoddles odds have shortened.

Would be good with these young players I think.

I was big fan of Hoddle 15-20 years ago and whilst his comments quite rightly cost him his job, that is in the past and has to be forgotten.  Hell if we're going that route we would struggle to pick 11 players to play for England!

Problem is Hoddle hasn't managed for ten years since he left Wolves, where he was derided for an incredibly dull and boring style of play.   Yeah he 's done a bit of coaching and set up his Academy which has had varying degrees of success but how up to date is he with the modern game?

Last night he defended England's inability to defend a long throw-in because they don't come up against it in the Premier League. Funny that 'cos Stoke used it as one of their main threats only a few years back.

The list of potential candidates is frightening.  Southgate?  flipping hell, is that really the best we can do?  A guy who's hardly ripped up trees with the Under 21's, they were bloody awful last summer.   Alan Pardew?  Yeah, exactly the type of guy you want to get you out of a rut.  Who can forget when he gallantly led Newcastle out of their losing streak before his 86 game winning streak at the back end of last season with Crystal Palace?

It'll be safe bet Southgate, you can more or less guarantee that much,  with the FA making much about his intelligence, coaching ethos and how he's there to deliver fundamental and cultural changes throughout the whole of the Team England setup.  Then some more PR claptrap.

Can't wait.

I really hope Eddie Howe doesn't get it. He's too young to have his career ruined by this lot.

The job is a poisoned chalice. Purely because it will always play second fiddle way behind the EPL.

The FA want someone uncontroversial, unassuming and unsuccessful. Basically, someone who won't ask awkward questions about money and EPL matters.

The FA don't give a toss about the national team. Neither should you.

All this hand-wringing will last until the EPL fixtures are announced, Sky subscriptions are renewed and replica kits bought. And then it'll be buried until 2 weeks before Russia 2018. No one cares. The footballers, the FA or the EPL stakeholders. It's a charade. Spend your money on Town. They're going to need it if this move to extend B teams takes hold. And it will.

Adopt another national team. Iceland look good, and their chant is similar to ours.

The last time I was excited about England was 2002. I've watched most of this campaign feeling like a neutral.

I can see Gareth southgate being asked to take over as a natural progression as he knows some of the players that have progressed from under 21s and has had a direct hand in styling the next crop of youngsters to hopefully make the jump to the full team. I do think the next manager has a very limited pool of players to choose from, we are not as good as we think we are and this was a good reality check. After. Winning all our qualification games (against poor opposition) they thought they were world beaters. Too much pressure put on England managers to succeed so why oh why would a younger up and coming manager want the job? I cannot see any top club manager wanting the job. But Manuel pellegrini is unemployed and has stated he wants to stay in England, we could do a lot worse.

The FA will look at what Coleman has done with Wales and appoint Southgate because he's sort of a bit like him.

Quoted from ginnywings

The FA will look at what Coleman has done with Wales and appoint Southgate because he's sort of a bit like him.

I hope not I really hope not

Quoted from ginnywings

The FA will look at what Coleman has done with Wales and appoint Southgate because he's sort of a bit like him.

When you put it like that, it's hard to argue with!!
;D

Southgate comes across as quite not the type to give hairdryer treatment.

Yeah hoddle for me too

I'd like Hoddle too. With two assistants. Someone attack minded like Shearer (I said like) and someone defensive minded someone like Gary Neville or Tony Adams .. Again like.

I think it's important younger coaches need that stage on which to build that experience. It's all well and got them getting a club managers job, but many young coaches get overlooked for foreign ones these days.

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

I hope not I really hope not

Agreed
We'd heard on Match of the Day how well he's being doing with the U21's - but back in 2015 for the U21 EURO they were as bad as the main squad have been this year. In fact they were even worse as they came rock bottom of the group in the group stages. He also got Middlesbrough relegated back in '08/09 somewhere around that time
I'm hoping that the FA don't give another 'yes' man another chance

This is flipping depressing isn't it? Shearer has shown no desire to work his way up - his qualification for being an attack coach is that he was a forward. People are taking the urine about PH - he's way more qualified than that fornicator. Hoddle has been out of management for god knows how long, Southgate is Hodgson but 25 years younger and someone like Howe or Pochettino would have to be mental to consider it.

Coleman is just lucky that he had a world class player at his disposal. Prior to Wales his record was dire.

We could have management by committee. All those TV pundits who tell us where everyone else is going wrong should get together and sort it. Martin Keown should be in charge because he is such an interesting insightful footballing expert that we couldn't go wrong.

Quoted from TAGG

See Hoddles odds have shortened.

Would be good with these young players I think.

Judging my his commentary he would simply pick Tottenham players and no others.

Quoted from ginnywings

The FA will look at what Coleman has done with Wales and appoint Southgate because he's sort of a bit like him.

If we cannot do better than Gareth Southgate I despair. He is part of the FA establishment.

What's behind all this nonsense about Hoddle getting the job? He's not worked in management for a decade and his managerial successes amount to one League Cup and one Play-off victory.

Plenty of pundits dismissing the likes of Allardyce for never having won anything major, but his managerial CV is a heck of a lot more impressive than that of Hoddle. Not that I'd particularly want him in charge over anyone else!

One thing is for certain, an Allardyce team would have a good idea about what they ought to be doing every time they go out onto the pitch. Whether or not they would be good enough to achieve it is another matter.

I notice that 'Arry is still spouting off, trying to poison the well as usual. The best manager England never had - in his own mind.

Harry should of got the nod ahead of Hodgson, but his time has passed now, I really hope Hoddle doesn't get it he's done nothing to deserve it, and besides he's obviously nuts who can forget the Eileen Drury fiasco and his comments on the disabled, I've also read quotes from ex internationals who played under him saying good football brain but his management skills where urine poor.

I don't think it matters who is appointed England manager. The FA can break the bank and go for Attila The Hun with Ghengis Khan as his assistant but it won't do any good.

Look at the players. They are technically pretty good. They are fit. Some are very pacy. By and large in football terms they are as thick as two short planks and they lack discipline.

A manager can put the discipline in but players have to be prepared to accept it. When England managers have tried to set up a club style defensive system like Capello, the players refused to buy into it. Capello's mistake was in not getting rid of those big name players in the early days and training his own squad but even so I doubt he could find many willing recruits. The English players do not want to work hard enough with their brains.

Look at the squad in France. Some decent players there. Look at their eyes. Like frightened rabbits in the headlights when it comes to shouldering responsibility and doing what they were told and what they agreed to do. Play without fear? They are flat track bullies and when a team stands up to them and gives them no room like Iceland, they cry and cry and shrink back into their little shells.

No manager can do anything with wimps like that. They are the generation that has been over-praised and never made to accept responsibility for their actions. There's always been a scapegoat and some one to bail them out. Look at their faces after the game. The realisation that they and nobody else had made a complete @rse of the tournament. Worst still, they were actually going to get the blame for it.

So who's the next manager? It's a poisoned chalice. Could be anyone. Wenger would be a fool to do it. If the FA wants to win anything then forget about long term coaching schemes and appoint someone to win games and give him the full backing to upset the prima donnas.

Wenger the next to be heavily backed :-http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/2/10328061/next-england-manager-betting-arsene-wenger-backed

Tomorrow it will be a different guy

Rob Scott would sort a few out and he is available!

Quoted from Grim74

Harry should of got the nod ahead of Hodgson, but his time has passed now, I really hope Hoddle doesn't get it he's done nothing to deserve it, and besides he's obviously nuts who can forget the Eileen Drury fiasco and his comments on the disabled, I've also read quotes from ex internationals who played under him saying good football brain but his management skills where urine poor.

Harry Redknapp is not a future England manager.
Harry Redknapp is not a person.
Harry Redknapp is a noise; audible only to his dopey daughter-in-law, third-rate commercial football media outlets and C0ckney sparrows.

Quoted from I Hate Chris Hollins

Harry Redknapp is not a future England manager.
Harry Redknapp is not a person.
Harry Redknapp is a noise; audible only to his dopey daughter-in-law, third-rate commercial football media outlets and C0ckney sparrows.

It's just possible Redknapp might have done a decent job if he had got it at the right time. I doubt it but not for silly reasons like these. Harry is a day to day bloke. The intermittent nature of international management would just not fit him at all. He needs to be with his players as much as possible.

Wenger could do it but he'd be a fool to try. He is not a magician. What he's achieved at Arsenal has been built over time. He gradually dismantled the George Graham team and built his own. But that was different. That team was good, England isn't. Would he have time to do something like that with England? No. Because idiots would start criticising him and getting personal within 6 months if he didn't get fantastic results.

I was in favour of Hodgson because he's an experienced international manager but it didn't work out. Maybe the route to take this time is to forget all of the long term coaching and academy problems, under 21s or whatever and appoint a manager for the national team alone. Appoint someone whose job is purely to get results when it matters by whatever means. Let the team play like Iceland or Brazil it doesn't matter as long as tournament results follow.

So perhaps the FA should not necessarily go for someone who is a successful club manager. Maybe someone who is not a manager at all. That's what Germany did with Klinsmann and before him with Beckenbauer. Perhaps we should recognise that international football is about bringing a team to peak performance at the right time for 8/9 games at the most. Everything else is irrelevant really.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

So perhaps the FA should not necessarily go for someone who is a successful club manager.

Tried that with McClaren ;)

Quoted from Abdul19

Tried that with McClaren ;)

;D

Now go play with your moped round Oliver's Mount. ;)

I think it was Southgate who led the review of junior football a few years ago and did a good job (reduced team, pitch and goal size, playing the ball out instead of hoofball etc). However, I don't get the impression he's going to inspire national fervour or spark rousing comebacks.
He would fit with this young team though

Rednapp's could probably do a job in Russia.
Then again
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perhaps if we looked outside of the pampered league, some very good players in the championship who would give 100% to play for their country, and perhaps a manager who dosent give a damn about some of the present crop, never mind who they are and what they earn , balderdash them and drops them.... we need people who are born in England, live in England and will die for England! ....... just a thought.now back to the darkened room :'(

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

So perhaps the FA should not necessarily go for someone who is a successful club manager. Maybe someone who is not a manager at all. That's what Germany did with Klinsmann and before him with Beckenbauer. Perhaps we should recognise that international football is about bringing a team to peak performance at the right time for 8/9 games at the most. Everything else is irrelevant really.

Valid merits in those points. I've never understood the acclaim given to an England manager based on their coaching credentials. The time spent with them is so insignificant the coaching influence must be minimal.

I honestly think if England are to move forward they do need to find an identity (yes I know they've tried this before but it was never given enough time). Their own identity at that, not one they've copied from French/Spanish/Dutch/German/Whatever is fashionable models, an identity that suits the English style of play. We need to find this identity and stick with it. Whoever is appointed into the post of England manager needs to work to it, not try and input their own style of play on the team. It's a really, really simple concept. You get players from Schoolboy level through to the full side playing to a set style, they develop at each stage and hopefully they end up as a bloody good side. We just can't master it, probably because we change philosophy with the wind.

To be fair DHM, that's already the plan. The FA started rolling out the England DNA 2 years ago so they're 2 years into what is probably a 10 year plan before we see benefits at senior level.

Whoever takes charge, it would be nice if the players could be taught to understand that the phrase, 'possession football', does not mean just kicking the ball across the back line when in the vicinity of the centre circle. I reckon about 90% of our possession in this tournament was within 10 yards of the centre circle.

Wenger would be daft to take the job because we just don't have the clever midfield ball players that his preferred style of play relies on.

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Valid merits in those points. I've never understood the acclaim given to an England manager based on their coaching credentials. The time spent with them is so insignificant the coaching influence must be minimal.

I honestly think if England are to move forward they do need to find an identity (yes I know they've tried this before but it was never given enough time). Their own identity at that, not one they've copied from French/Spanish/Dutch/German/Whatever is fashionable models, an identity that suits the English style of play. We need to find this identity and stick with it. Whoever is appointed into the post of England manager needs to work to it, not try and input their own style of play on the team. It's a really, really simple concept. You get players from Schoolboy level through to the full side playing to a set style, they develop at each stage and hopefully they end up as a bloody good side. We just can't master it, probably because we change philosophy with the wind.

We can't master it because we can't define an "English" style anymore. We will struggle to determine an English style while ever the PL is full of has-been and mediocre foreigners and English players are only making up the numbers.

I don't think though that the style matters that much. We are collectively indisciplined rather than technically deficient. It's a question of attitude more than organisation. The English players pay lip-service to the idea of sticking to a system. Hodgson had a reasonable system to deal with the Iceland long throw but two players simply failed to do it for no other reason than lack of concentration. The Russian equaliser at the end of the game was exactly the same cause. The team had obviously practised defending far post crosses but Russia could have driven a number 9 Moscow bus through there without the defenders even noticing. It's not ability, it's attitude. I bet they get "bored" with defensive drills. They switch off in training and it's a joke. Then they switch off in a game and it's a disaster.

I'll throw in one name, not because I think he would get the job but because he has the right sort of experience and the sort of tough personality we should be looking for - Patrick Viera.

Hoddle should be given the job.

Quoted from carrot top

Hoddle should be given the job.

I just don't think he would get the respect he deserves from the players after so long out of management.

He won't get it now but I think Harry redknapp would have been a decent quarter final bet in any tournament.

Only TV pundit I can listen to is Danny Murphy, talks a lot of sense. Was a good player in his day and always gave 100% if not blessed with the talent of others. Not sure if he wants to venture into management though

Quoted from carrot top

Hoddle should be given the job.

If Hoddle got the job at his first press conference,

A reporter will ask Hoddle, " Do you have the same beliefs about disabled people as before ? "

Hoddle will reply ??????????????????

hoddle with howe and Neville assisting

No problem with Hoddle or his past weird views.  We're not picking an Archbishop of Canterbury for crying out loud.

None of this changes the underlying faults within our football culture, namely that we don't produce technically gifted players who are good enough to get into the top sides in Europe, nor players that have either the emotional or footballing intelligence to approach tournament football.

Basically, our players aren't as good as those on the continent and because 99% of them are thick as two short planks, they're too stupid to move abroad to broaden their skills.

All of this is encouraged by the FA and the Premier League, who perpetuate the fiction that our league is the "greatest in the world" and somehow part of the solution.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

So perhaps the FA should not necessarily go for someone who is a successful club manager. Maybe someone who is not a manager at all. That's what Germany did with Klinsmann and before him with Beckenbauer. Perhaps we should recognise that international football is about bringing a team to peak performance at the right time for 8/9 games at the most. Everything else is irrelevant really.

I agree. It's a different assignment from being a club manager. But the likes of Hodson, Greenwood, Hoddle, Maclaren had virtually no major club trophies to their name, so they didn't really succeed at the highest level in that aspect of the game either.

Maybe the sad truth is that we just don't produce enough world class players to compete at the business end of these tournaments.

That said, Iceland are hardly overflowing with world class players either. But it's normally one of the better teams that beat us (i.e. the likes of Germany, Italy and Argentina).

So what defines a player as "World Class" then.

Quoted from HackneyHaddock

No problem with Hoddle or his past weird views.  We're not picking an Archbishop of Canterbury for crying out loud.

None of this changes the underlying faults within our football culture, namely that we don't produce technically gifted players who are good enough to get into the top sides in Europe, nor players that have either the emotional or footballing intelligence to approach tournament football.

Basically, our players aren't as good as those on the continent and because 99% of them are thick as two short planks, they're too stupid to move abroad to broaden their skills.

All of this is encouraged by the FA and the Premier League, who perpetuate the fiction that our league is the "greatest in the world" and somehow part of the solution.

you might not have a problem with his weirdness but you can't have a situation where these players are laughing and taking the urine behind his back, they players say at the time when they are getting picked by him what a great manager, but then a few years down the line when they bring out their autobiographys you find out what a fruitcake he was, Seamen, Beckham etc even Gary Neville mentioned before a game Hoddle would do his usual pre-match routine of moving around the players, shaking their hands and touching them just over the heart, he'd ask his staff to walk around the pitch anti clockwise to create a positive energy, no wonder he didn't select Gazza for 1998 World Cup he would of been pissing himself laughing to much.

Hoddle with Pearce and Lineker assistants??

Hoddle out of the game for 10 yrs with a questionable past.
Pearce serial underperformer.
Lineker no experience whatsoever.

Sign them up ::)

Quoted from RonMariner

I agree. It's a different assignment from being a club manager. But the likes of Hodson, Greenwood, Hoddle, Maclaren had virtually no major club trophies to their name, so they didn't really succeed at the highest level in that aspect of the game either.

Maybe the sad truth is that we just don't produce enough world class players to compete at the business end of these tournaments.

We do produce good players, technically. I mean, look at someone like Wilshire or Sterling - technically they are decent players. We don't produce players who are dedicated enough or hard enough though. They switch off in games, they don't apply what their training was about, they don't concentrate, they don't do what the manager tells them, there isn't a decent captain amongst them either.

Proof in this morning's paper - a report on Sterling showing off his new mansion in snapchump or whatever it is. That is what they are interested in. I bet they were bored rigid in France.

What England needs is a manager who will only select players who really want to be there and are prepared to do as they are trained to do and to sacrifice individual glory for the sake of the team. They shouldn't need loads of skills drills, they need organisation and concentration exercises like Clive Woodward gave the rugby lads. The manager needs to know about people and tactics more than he needs to know about coaching. Get the best defensive coach just to come and train the back 5. Tony Adams or even John Terry would do. Sign Sheringham or Shearer up to train the strikers on where and when to run. The manager manages.

Quoted from Meza

So what defines a player as "World Class" then.

Joe Hart

Quoted from Meza

So what defines a player as "World Class" then.

Someone who can make something happen, breakdown 'park the bus' opposition, can turn a game single handed. I'd say Gareth Bale is world class.

Last genuine English player of true world class I can think of is Gazza. With him in the side we reached two semi finals and were arguably the best team in both!

Thinking about it, the closet thing to international tournament situations in club football is the champions league (and possibly Europa league too).

Maybe we should look at performers with a great track record in those competitions, or, even more obvious, appoint someone who has managed a World Cup or European Championship winning side?

Quoted from RonMariner

Someone who can make something happen, breakdown 'park the bus' opposition, can turn a game single handed. I'd say Gareth Bale is world class.

Last genuine English player of true world class I can think of is Gazza. With him in the side we reached two semi finals and were arguably the best team in both!

Skill wise I would agree. Bale is a class above his team mates and most other outfield players in the tournament. But he owes money to Joe Hart at least for making him look like a game changer. Arguable the same applies to Ronaldo and Messi but these game changers don't always finish on the winning side. I'd have sacrificed Gazza's brilliant goals straightaway for boring cup wins in Italy and England.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

We do produce good players, technically. I mean, look at someone like Wilshire or Sterling - technically they are decent players.

You've obviously not seen Sterling try and use his left foot before. How many of our squad are two footed? That's a minimum requirement of being a technically gifted player.

Quoted from Vance Warner

You've obviously not seen Sterling try and use his left foot before. How many of our squad are two footed? That's a minimum requirement of being a technically gifted player.

I agree with TRRFC. Sterling is technically gifted (am I right in thinking that technically gifted means that they are not capable of going passed a player and getting a cross in, not being able to pass a through ball that's gets to one of their colleagues but they are VERY capable of running straight into an opponent, running the ball out of play without anyone near them and not being able to shoot straight at 3 whites poles and a bit of netting?)

Yup, I would say Sterling is extremely technically gifted ;)

Quoted from Vance Warner

You've obviously not seen Sterling try and use his left foot before. How many of our squad are two footed? That's a minimum requirement of being a technically gifted player.

Sterling is perfectly capable of using his left foot. He is also capable of going past players, crossing a ball and scoring goals. I am positive that you would see him do this and more in training. What he isn't capable of doing is those same things when the chips are down and the side needs him.

Wilshire can go past players for fun, he can pass a ball in a tight space in the box as well as anyone in any side you will see in the Euros. What he can't do is change his game to fit the needs of the team during a match. He will just keep running into blind alleys with or without the ball.

Even Rooney, the oft called "only world class player" in the team is the same. There are very few players in the world who can strike a ball as cleanly as Rooney with minimum backlift. How often do we see this in an international? We see him scuff shots, balloon shots, miss shots altogether. His record goal tally owes a great deal to penalties. He is nothing like as good a finisher as Lineker or Greaves or .... He can pass the ball well when he has time and space but how often does he give the pass away? But he is a good player. He has talent but he simply has never, ever produced it when it matters.

That is the problem with English footballers. The big stage is too big for them. They get stage fright and they forget their lines.

Southgate says he doesn't want the job and a couple of others have ruled themselves out. They ought to play musical chairs and the last man standing gets the job.

Quoted from Meza

Really. Did anyone actually see that game tonight. Imo we have decent players that have great potential but playing for a management that

A) didnt know its best 11

B) didn't know its best formation

C) making too many changes therefore damaging player confidence and momentum

D) picking players that were not match sharp and not played all season , Henderson, Sturridge and Wiltshire but get ahead of those that are fit.

E) on form.players not even getting a nod such as Drinkwater, Noble

Noble ;D ;D ;D I actually laughed out loud

I'd not thought of pochechinno (sp?) good shout

Big Sam please or if they go down the Hoddle route then pair him up with a shearer or Ferdinand

Thank intercourse Southgate doesn't want it

Quoted from Posh Harry

I agree with TRRFC. Sterling is technically gifted (am I right in thinking that technically gifted means that they are not capable of going passed a player and getting a cross in, not being able to pass a through ball that's gets to one of their colleagues but they are VERY capable of running straight into an opponent, running the ball out of play without anyone near them and not being able to shoot straight at 3 whites poles and a bit of netting?)

Yup, I would say Sterling is extremely technically gifted ;)

Sterling is Shaun Wright-Philips reincarnated

Not been able to post for a bit but have been looking at this so possibly what's below may have already been said but.....

1 . We need a manager who can get the players to look forward to going to England training/games/tournaments. Make playing for Engalnd a bit more fun and an event for the players.

2. We need someone who can organise a team to win games

3. Someone who knows the English game well and ideally has some international experience.

For me Bilic would be ideal and ticks the above but he is never going to take the job whilst he is at West Ham as he is possibly going to take them to the next level.

The FA would not touch him but Big Sam gets teams organised and up for winning a number of games over a short periods.so ideal for tournaments.

The players are robots created by the Premiership system and we need someone to come in who will allow them to be people.

Sorry the bit I forgot to add was we need to bring back the home internationals when there is a tournament as will mean we don't go into the group stages of a competition under cooked by the lack of competitive games and meaningless friendlies.

I'm not convinced Sterling is even one footed.

Quoted from Meza

Southgate comes across as quite not the type to give hairdryer treatment.

Especially wearing a brown paper bag with holes for eyes ;D

I hear Boris Johnson is looking for the top job somewhere.

Could hardly do worse. He'd be firing the players up with speeches from Henry V and Caesar (Julius not the Fishy poster).

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I hear Boris Johnson is looking for the top job somewhere.

Could hardly do worse. He'd be firing the players up with speeches from Henry V and Caesar (Julius not the Fishy poster).

Nah - he'd sodomist off at half time if things weren't going well

Quoted from Balthazar Bullitt

Nah - he'd sodomist off at half time if things weren't going well

Don't you mean he'll sold off if the team does unexpectedly well in the first half?

What would people think if Jurgen Klinsmann got the job ?

Quoted from Davec

What would people think if Jurgen Klinsmann got the job ?

A German!! No thanks I'm sure we could muster a shortlist of English candidates from a population of 60 million +

Quoted from Grim74

A German!! No thanks I'm sure we could muster a shortlist of English candidates from a population of 60 million +

The trouble is, the 60m don't get a referendum on this one. It's an FA diktat.

Interesting isn't it that Coleman has never been a massive success at club level. Certainly no more so than say, Alladyce or Pardew or even Steve Bruce. The success Coleman has had in France reminds me of Ranieri's and to an extent Phil Brown's Hull side that got the first promotion to the Prem - the best thing these managers have done is to get a system going then leave well alone, though in Ranieri's case he learned it the hard way. Another who had that knack was George Kerr. Sometimes doing nothing is the best thing a manager can do. Bobby Robson's best performance as manager was in Italy when he listened to the players and went back to the system they knew best and they ought to have won that tournament.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

The trouble is, the 60m don't get a referendum on this one. It's an FA diktat.

Interesting isn't it that Coleman has never been a massive success at club level. Certainly no more so than say, Alladyce or Pardew or even Steve Bruce. The success Coleman has had in France reminds me of Ranieri's and to an extent Phil Brown's Hull side that got the first promotion to the Prem - the best thing these managers have done is to get a system going then leave well alone, though in Ranieri's case he learned it the hard way. Another who had that knack was George Kerr. Sometimes doing nothing is the best thing a manager can do. Bobby Robson's best performance as manager was in Italy when he listened to the players and went back to the system they knew best and they ought to have won that tournament.

Very Tolstoian RRFC. You're saying we need a Kutusov figure?

Anyway got to be better than Alan Effing Shearer.